Hey guys an european here. Honestly you dont see FH16`s or Scania V8`s so often on the street in my region. Most longhaul trucks here are fitted with engines in the 500hp area no matter which brand. This might differ on regions cause for example the dutch love their V8`s although the Nederlands is a very flat country.
The 500hp Scanias are a lot of the time V8 and not just the Super, but rarely do you see the full power models of each brand unless it's a wood truck that regularly gets loaded to max weight limit.
Most likely places to find Scanias and Volvos with their behemoth engines will be in Sweden and Finland because they operate in extreme conditions and have a much higher weight. It's not a coincidence that the two strongest engined truck brands are Swedish and also doiminate the Scandinavian truck fleet maybe 8-9/10 trucks there will be Scania or Volvo.
Here in rural sweden they are fairly common. Its not like most trucks are, but the heavy long hauler typically are. Now when gravel trucks usally are 8 axels as well they often come with 600+hp engines as well. The very top end, the almost 800hp are mostly just used for special transports.
@Truck Topia, you have done it again with your misinformation, you claim that Emission regulations are stricter in the US yet, when you look at the average age of a truck in daily use in the USA the majority are about ten to twenty years old, I'm from the UK as I have commented on a few of your previous videos, and I'm also on a Facebook page that is based in the USA, yet the drivers hate the Adblue systems(DEF), they disconnect the system because they claim it's unreliable, which if that is the case the US manufacturers need to up their game in producing a DEF system that actually works and is reliable, in comparison European trucks have a life span is roughly 5/6 years before they are replaced. You also mention fuel efficiency, most US trucks return 7/8 mpg while running at 36 metric tonnes at a speed of 70 mph, whereas European trucks return 10/12 mpg running at 44 metric tonnes, at 56 mph, so given that the US runs faster and the roads are straighter how can US trucks be more fuel efficient compared to a European truck running over a changing terrain? The EU, Japan, and the UK have the strictest emissions laws for any motor vehicle, so again you are giving out misinformation, try to make the USA the best country, your videos are informative but sometimes you don't research your information correctly, please in the future do your research before producing a video.
I believe that the different emission regulations is more about politics. For example a new Volvo VNL can't be registered in Sweden and a Swedish Volvo can't be registered n the US mainly because of that.
The DEF systems arent probably that different between manufacturers as the markets between US and EU share a lot of parts and work together in producing heavy equipment. The biggest problems is the liquid of the adblue system not being able to withstand more than -11c after that it will freeze. In the colder parts of EU like Norway, Sweden and Finland during the winter months it can reach -30c easily so the DEF system can easily freeze and its not cheap to fix it so it is completely understandable to rip the shit off even if it works but this sadly is not possible in the EU as you can be fined thousands of euros for doing it.
@@davidjames990 That doesnt apply to all trucks or heavy equipment and still in colder climates its unable to keep it as a liquid. Adblue tank heaters exist but sometimes these arent able to keep the adblue as a liquid. Also in order for the trucks exhaust to stay warm it needs to keep running which consumes diesel also in order for the tank heater to work it needs electricity
America has: Lighter loads Lower weight restrictions, where you can only weigh up to 36 tons on major highways Mostly flat landscape Sweden has: Loads heavier than fully loaded American semi trucks, with no need for permits Very elevated terrain with lots of inclines and declines covering most of the country
@@hunterisdabby Max weight on American highway is 80 000lbs. That's gross weight with vehicle weight counted in. Here in Sweden, the regular combo, rigid truck with full trailer, has a max LOADING weight of about 85 000lbs. I've seen trucks here, mostly Volvo and Scania, pull over 700 000lbs. Can you say the same about American trucks?
Most trucks other than vans are running heavier with permits. Indiana 108,000 on a tandem drive truck and tandem trailer. 121000 for a tandem truck and tri axle trailer. Michigan has supers that run 154,500
In India, there are trucks running with only 300 to 350 Hp with 40,000 kgs passing weight....haha Indians should get these big engines too..... Please make a video on trucks of India too
Your problem is that you focus on 780 hp engine while volvo has 420, 440, 480, 500, 520, 600, 750hp You were suppose to compare 500hp AMERICA VS 520 EUROPE
Sweden allows 74 tons on certain roads (Class BK4), otherwise maximum on normal highways is 64 tons. But still the vast majority of trucks in Sweden have 13 litre engines quite similar to those in the US.
Volvo doesn't have much of the market. If they offered D13 and D16 in US market, D16 would be a rare occasion. And due to that, it would be hard to service. So all together - not worth trying to pass emissions just for a marginal sale and a massive headache.
Well, in from malaysia, the law allows max weight of 50t (110k lbs) for a truck with 1:2:3 axle config. Additional axle mean extra weight to carry usually seen in heavy hauler. Normal goods semi usully goes up to 1:2:4 max axle.
I would say the explination for emission is not quite right. In usa they have a set of emmintions for each class. In europe the emission standard is set so preformance. So for a 36 ton truck the standard is probobly harsher i europe. But 36 ton is a relativly light truck by european standards. The claim that roads are wider In the us is incorect. Standard lane width is actually wider In europe. And so os the trucks (but only with about 1%). In some countries they have deliverytrucks that is considerally narrower for old town streets. Those never have high hp, but are usually In then 200hp range. There are not sharp turns on european highways. Maybe on a country road, but not a highway.
Scania is practically already in the US. Scania is owned by Traton Group which also own MAN and Navistar International. The new International S13 engine is practically a Scania DC13 engine.
From the UK here, there is another reason for buying "Big engine" trucks. That's resale/residual value. Example, a 5/6 year old Volvo FH D13 is usually around £20,000. An FH16 of similar vintage can be worth more than double that with similar mileage.
i have to say i love the scania volvo competition on engines. scania had their r730 and volvo had the 750bhp the fh. then the new gen scanias came out with the S770, just slightly outdoing volvo, and now volvo is bringing out a 780bhp engine. something tells me there will be a new scania in a couple of years with a 790bhp v8
And what about the Australian market? How different is it compared to these? I'm only asking because I understand that Volvo distributes trucks there as well. Are the European or American models there, or are they also tailored to that particular (Australian) market?
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In Australia we have our own volvo plant and manufacturer the FM and FH with the D13 up to 540hp and the FH16 with the D16 up to 700hp soon to be replaced by the D17
We build/assemble our own kenworth's. But they are an imported American cab with updated chassis, and they have 600hp Cummins x15s usually. But they ride shit and break more than Volvo's and Scanias in the chassis.
Non Americans are going to be butthurt after i say this. The Volvo trucks sold in the United States Are Not any better than Any thing American the European Volvos are Better than the American Volvos before any one lashes at me
Realy EPA, Emissions and greenhouse gases , 60 % Diesel trucks in North America are "deleted" meaning emission parts of the trucks are removed, like DPF , EGR valve , Def and EPA doesn't do anything about this issue .
@@kolejnipolscykrakersi Hopefully Volvo should introduce their VNL 860 trucks in our India. As Volvo has a margin in India, they can make their Volvo VNL Trucks in india.
By Kenworth, you mean Paccar products, genius? 780hp but low torque. Cummins x15 makes 605hp with 2050 torque. Deleted they make 18% more in both aspects. In the end, my Kenworth is more powerful, easier to maintain, and is accepted at all truck shows. Volvos do not last, definitely not to 1 million miles in America. Plenty of 1970's Kenworths & peterbilts around. Know what you are talking about before you talk
we have crawler gears and hub reductions for trucks that need them, torque from standstill is not an issue, there is clip of a Volvo pulling 750t. Maintaining some speed on hills is nice, especially when you are pulling 76t.
North America trucks are very under powered, especially in canada where we have a gross weight of 63500kg in Eastern canada and 500hp is garbage,,and I've been driving for 25 years anything from highway to the hauling wood to construction
They would sell in Australia to pull roadtrains which can weigh up to 200 tonnes on public roads but they need a bonet and reliability with all there electronics
Ok, this is me being nice about this video. This video is not completely true because EPA is not stricter. That is utterly bullshit! Than there are a lot of semi trucks (trucks) in North America owned by owner/operators who pimp out and crank up their trucks up to 1400+ hp. And there a lot of pimped out after market trucks out there on the road! And let's be honest here: traditional models like the 389 and W900 are designed more than 50 years ago! And most of the North American truck drivers love their old shit even if they are from the 70s and most of them are still in operation! So, the main reason for these devided worlds is simple: protection of their own particular market, coz every North American trucker knows that European trucks are more modern and have better quality. Every North American trucker knows that if Scania overwhelms the market brands like Peterbilt and Kenworth will be vanished!
Oh yes it is. Our mountains and roads are steaper, but we also have flat grounds. The roads are more twisty, but we also have straight roads. The roads are narrower, but we also have wide roads.
It also depends on where in Europe you drive. It's a huge difference between for example the Netherlands and Norway. And most of the "big rigs" in Europe actually have less than 600 hp. For example both Scania's and Volvo's 13 litre engines are more popular than the 16 and 17 litre versions, which are the top of their fleet and the ones that create most attention. And no other truck brand in Europe has so powerful engines.
@@ontheroadagain4773 obviously. That’s why I claim Europe has more diverse roads than the us. And while most trucks have between 450 and 550hp, I see quite a few high horsepower trucks every day. Both in the Netherlands and in Germany (a bit less in Germany though).
I heard from a trucker that Scania and Volvo measure their horsepower in different locations. Scania at the diff and Volvo at the Flywheel? Which if the case, would make Scania's 770hp engine significantly more powerful than Volvo's 780hp D17.
Bullshit volvo has a bigger engine 17.3l more torque and power plus their measure d by the same European standard this is just that the v8 fans can't take the fact their not too dog any more Volvo the new king of the road.
@@patodonovan274No, Volvo is only the king of SUVs, trucks don't even come close to Scania in reality, but they try, Scania is always ahead, in chassis for buses and trucks, quality, comfort and the engine is more efficient than the Volvo, which is rigid and requires complicated and expensive maintenance, here in Brazil, with completely uneven terrain, with dirt roads, mountains, inclines and inclines, Scania has always proven to be better in all factors, including reliability, and I guarantee that,In Brazil, the track conditions are very different and more difficult than in your country.
@@mattiazephyrum2263Never saw a Scania bus, only Volvo, Setra (nowadays part of Daimler Trucks), Daimler Trucks (former Mercedes-Benz subsidy, still owns the branding rights for trucks & co) Iveco and MAN (my favorite with the City's Lion atm).
It's not only about adding more power. The gearbox and the whole drivline must work in harmony with the engine - and the engine has to follow the emission standards. Volvo's marine version of their D13 engine produces up to 1000hp. The D16 produces "only" 850 hp but these are for heavy commercial use. And remember boats, unlike trucks, go constantly uphill. And Scania's DC16 V8 produces up to 1150hp. There isn't as strict emission regulations for marine and industrial engines. And you can add a lot more power to these truck engines just by programming, don't even need a bigger or a second turbo.
I can understand why do traton don't use Scania technology in international truck or when mack is a sub brand of Volvo they don't share their technology .or Daimler truck don't use Mercedes technology in Freightliner.
@thebobcat1964, that's your preference, but when you compare the technology in a European Cabover, they are years ahead of the USA, the only thing a US truck has an advantage of is the living space after that everything else pales into insignificance, I mean you still run your engines at night to keep your batteries top-up or run an APU, European trucks have had cooling/heating systems that run independent of the engine for years and they don't kill the batteries.
@@davidjames990 Sir no they're not,I drive a Peterbilt 579 here in the USA now, but I drove in Europe for 5 years,my Peterbilt had as much technoloy as my Mercedes I drove in Germany,the different is my Pete looks and rides better with a Hood.They both have the same horsepower.I will never drive a Cabover truck again.
@@thebobcat1964 I worked at Volvo trucks when they were still producing the N-series (N=Normalbyggd i.e. with hood). But customers vanished. It is the same with manual gearboxes - if no one wants it in the market they will not be produced. I think that a Dutch firm makes rebuilds at least of Scanias with hood. Maybe they supply Volvo and other brands too.
Odd how they measure, for example, 590hp at the wheels, when our ministry of transportation measures power on the crank and they only get 589hp. Meanwhile, a 540hp Volvo measures 551hp on the crank.
No manufacturer rates shit at the wheels. Since everything can change that. Like wheels, diff ratios, gearbox type and ratio ect. All manufacturers rate power and torque at the Flywheel. Hence you order a 600hp engine option. Not a 600hp truck.
