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@@jackedward293 He uploaded the video on private or to go public at a certain point in time. The video time displays the time when it was viewable, whilst the comments time is when he wrote it. RU-vid coding.
“The antidote to Doomerism’ is Philosophy.” I have recently started to accept my depression as a way to inspire me to be productive, but use my time wisely. To engage with others but to not digress. To be present but not naïve.
Yeah! Ever since I found this channel & others (Pursuit of Wonder...etc.). My perspective changed from "Oh! I feel bad" to "Oh! I feel bad but I think I understand why". I've started to spend time understanding myself more as to "why i'm feeling a certain way!" & "what now!". I guess you could say I'm being a true detective to my own state of mind. Finding philosophy is probably the nicest thing that has ever happened. :)
Dr. Edward Dutton argues that depression may in fact be a natural response to the world for a healthy mind. We are no longer under high pressure to hunt, conserve food or survive a winter, and seeing the endless leisure of the modern world is in itself depressing as it becomes glaringly obvious we face no true challenge. The best way over your depression is through it, allow it to happen and then carry on no matter how long it takes, it always lifts, just develope your own intercommunication tools to know when you are deep in it.
@bhante1345 I think our means of survival just changed. There's a bit of loss in the standard nature of actually "earning" your survival. The means of "survival" today are much more contrived in a way that, for most people, doesn't give freedom. Because the strongest pressure and I think cause of our social issues was our ability to come together. You often see that in times of crisis, but most of the time people are isolating others and themselves, and it's a frustrating thing to deal with.
Some of Rust's dialogue is incredibly similar to The Last Messiah by the pessimist philosopher Peter Wessel Zapffe. "I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in human evolution. We became too self aware; nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself. We are creatures that should not exist by natural law." is almost like a condensed version of that essay.
Wasn't there legal trouble or the threat thereof between the shows writer and Thomas liggotti,writer of "conspiracy against the human race" for plagiarism? Not only zappfe,who is a central piece of conspiracy's thesis, but other lines of dialog lifted nigh on wholesale.
Sounds really profound but there's no way to prove that's "you" are a product of nature and not the other way around. And indeed there's a lot more evidence pointing to that "nature" is a product of consciousness. At least assuredly to the extent that we interact with it. That viewpoint expressed by rust is to blame "the world" and "nature" for who and what you are rather than taking it upon oneself.
This is what I felt while rewatching , in a world full of Marty’s be a rust , but tbh marty is still better than most cause he is at the edge of changing
@@Fcpuru95but the whole point is finding a middle point .. isn’t it? weirdly enough lol ive tried being a “rust” and would still somehow be having inconsistent beliefs such as thinking that everyone else is “ignorant” and how im better than them like atleast ik it makes no sense but they dont, they dont question like i do and finding middle point is just compassionate ig.. like neither of us can ever know which one is right even after all this search and being an athiest, maybe god will exist afterall or something else? the thing is neither of us know any better so being super close minded in any extreme side is just.. bad ig
I've felt such affinity for rust that I keep watching the series over and over. We never see characters like him - isolated, depressed, introspective, and wholey at peace with what they are. Most normal characters would have rust chasing or being chased by women, persuing wealth or riches, fame, anything... but rust just keeps to himself in his plain apartment thinking.
the atmosphere of this show is perfect, the southern gothic vibe really fit organically well to the story being told. i would be absolutely delighted if nic pizzalatto writes a season on rusts narcos days.
I loved the end of this season because of Marty’s comment about the stars. We should endeavor to improve ourselves and humanity, not despair because of its many faults.
That scene has stuck with me too. For me it's an acknowledgement that the good we can actually do in the world might be a tiny fleeting light in the darkness, but it's still better that it's there, because afterall there was once a time when there was only darkness.
to paraphrase shakespear "it is a mistake to find a fault in the stars we hold up high, for what we see in them is merely a reflection of ourselves" the world is like this because enough people chose to make it this way and the greatest lie ever told was we dont have any other choice. we can always choose to be kind and wise rather than cyncial and selfish and that is a gift we should never squander in our eternal journey to learn who we really are.
I never thought I'd see this channel drop a video essay specifically _about_ a work of fiction rather than sporadically using works of fiction to illustrate a given philosophy, but I'm not complaining.
i love listening to this while trying to draw. i've been in such a pessimistic art block and listening to this really helped me get out of that state of mind.
My favorite show and my favorite philosophical RU-vidr! ❤️ There’s a consistent undercurrent of identity to season one I didn’t pick up on until rewatching. Marty’s flaw (according to his ex wife Maggie) was that he didn’t know who he really was or what he wanted. He later tells Rust “I used to play baseball and ride bulls….you end up becoming something you never intended.” Rust on the other hand: “after all this time I know myself. And there’s a victory in that.”
Sisyphus 55: the antidote to doomerism is philosophy. Me: must be why I'm so content as of late. I've been focusing more of my attention on inward thought and having a consistent philosophical outlook. Thanks Sisyphus, you're part of my contentment.
@@thenightwatchman1598you’re absolutely right, falling into this fallacy will surely turn the soul rotten, if it were. The ideal notion we must admit to ourselves is that there are certain truths and finding ourselves loving others by absorbing their opinion and carefully considering their truth to the parallels of our own can help us navigate existence with a broader purpose, my view is the purpose/passion for knowledge, to find the truths, the whole truths and the abstract truths. Contemplating reality sure does make me hungry. 🆗
There is no way... I just finished watching it for the second time. You making a video on true Detective is such a pleasant surprise. It's like Christmas all over again
You can definitely tell that some of Thomas Ligotti’s writings (particularly “Conspiracy Against The Human Race”) influenced Rust’s character quite a bit. In my opinion anyway.
“I'm a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will.” ― Antonio Gramsci, Prison Letters "Optimism and stupidity are nearly synonymous." ― Admiral H.G. Rickover
Thank you for this insightful video. I've seen so many videos talking about Rust's philosophy and character arc, but this is the only time where I've seen someone analyze with so much depth about Marty, as I personally thought his character deserved a good introspection too. Your dissection into the "cruel optimism" that Marty has clarified some things for me. Especially the possible reasons as to why he never was honest to his family/wife, why he kept having an affair, and etc. He says in the show that he doesn't want to bring "all this shit" home, which means that his attachment to the image of a good life probably prevented him from risking the unknown consequences for that by sharing his thoughts about the case to his wife, confronting Audrey about her weird drawings, leading him to find an outlet through his affairs. I also found it very interesting how you said Rust's attachment to pessimism, or "detachment," was part of the reason why he and Marty didn't realize they didn't catch the right killer. Since technically in the show, they weren't able to know because Marty shot Reggie. And Rust did come back to Louisiana because he figured out that they didn't catch the real killer. I also just finished the show, so my memory isn't the best lol
Rust seeing the swirl and reacting the way you said by letting go of preconceived notions for love. I exerpeinced a similar thing when i took a lot of shrooms. I realized there is a lot about human experience that is still left and i atopped being so nihilistic and certain.
I have found 2 ways of viewing what to do with our lives one is coping as best we can with our meaningless existence or to connect with and find meaning in that connection to others. We are always motivated toward connection - don't kid yourself, even if that connection is unattainable. I see this as two poles in flux between resignation or shoring up against what we know to be true: we are ultimately metaphysically ungrounded and therefore unable to commit ontologically to 'anything', and the other is to strive for connection a connection that finds its root (or ground) in being human. to lay this out by the sources of this understanding I use Lacan: who acknowledges our ungroundedness and our constant seeking to connect, we lack the ability to connect and will constantly exchange one failed attempt for the next. And the second pole is Kristeva who sees us a born connected to being human (through our mothers - every human has one: and at one time is connected if not to Reality, we are at least connected to being human at birth), a connection in which share that common experience. Where I think we go wrong is in trying to make a connection to a transcendental reality, a fictional one. What i think happens is we project onto reality an idealised version of ourselves. When we feel connected to reality in actuality we are only connected to ourselves. I realize there is a lot to unpack here. I wish I could explain it more simply.
having watched this video a few times, I gotta say I think changing the thumbnail and title was the right move. The first watch through I definitely was focused on the True Detective part of the video and less on the actual message you were trying to get across about doomerism. either way I think everything you make is great but I figured I'd throw it out there :P
The world may be doomed but yours doesn’t have to be. I had a very doomerist outlook for years and then started looking inward and focusing on myself-not selfishly, I still cared for others and did things for those I care about or causes I felt strongly about-but I started focusing on anything I could control in my own life and solely focused on improving those things The world is what I make it
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If not as a direct antidote, pondering and playing with philosophy is at least a good distraction (I'd call myself a doomer). It can serve as a mental workout that distracts and fiddles with interesting ideas while simultaneously acting as an on the fly spring cleaning of the mind. Taking time to really work an idea through can let you get it properly out the door and get to something better. Even writing that thought down in a document you'll never read can work wonders. I guess that's a pretty direct antidote to doomerism...
Interesting how many people latched on to Cohle as one of those stereotypical "literally me" protagonists, where so much of S1 seems to be picking apart his philosophy by showing the personal toll of his attempts to live within all its contradictions.
schopenhauer...even camus. if philosophy means accepting our doom but remaining prescient enough to experience jouissance, well then theres still a remainder of regret. pessimism and optimism seems like a false dichotomy. tbh ive read more deleuze than anyone: any response from him about Opt v Pes is just that, not his primary concern, so i dont know if its fair to include him where he excluded himself
This is surprisingly astute reflection on Rustin and his worldview. So many analyses I see on the character are just senseless "I'm 14 and this is deep" rehashing of who he is as a character and how it's so totally cool edgy grimdark because he doesn't care about people and that makes him quirky and not like the other boys. This, however, did the character justice.
Here is my one, sure-fire source of optimism: 252 million years ago, 80% of marine species and 70% of terrestrial vertebrate species went extinct ("The Great Dying"). That was followed by the spectacularly wonderful Age of Dinosaurs!!! How cool is that?! Mother Nature CANNOT be defeated! (Puts a big grin on my face.)
The ground floor foundation of reality is, objectively, Nothing Matters. This is good, because it gives us the freedom to build something that matters to us.
It would have been better to have done a video on Thomas Ligotti's The Conspiracy Against the Human Race, since Nick Pizzolatto shamelessly plagiarized it for the first season of True Detective. Pizzolatto also shamelessly plagiarized the final scene from Alan Moore.
I don't think you know what "plagiarizing" means. Pizzolatto has names these sources and others as inspirations, which is in the end all they are. With your narrow interpretation of what would constitute plagiarism, we would all be constantly plagiarize other people in all our works and everyday behaviour.
@@Jonathanizerif you look at it side by side,it's a bit more than "inspired by" in my opinion. I get what you're saying and I'm not into calling people out over any and everything, but liggotti is hardly some multimillionaire household name who can just eat it when someone xeroxes his works. I love that first season,I've returned to it many times over the years,but I'd read conspiracy first and the similarity jumped right out at me when first I watched it.
WHERE is the "Life Is Suffering" hoodie?? It says, "Item is unavailable". I'll buy that hoodie And "Right Person, Wrong Time" hoodie Or, the "The Fear Of Being Loved" hoodie at the same time. I just Neeeeeeed the "Life is Suffering" Hoodie. Please and Thank You
Exploring Doomer philosophy through characters like Rust Cohle from True Detective reveals the complexities of detachment, societal expectations, and the pursuit of truth. The analogy of being a "True Detective" emphasizes the importance of curiosity and compassion in navigating life's uncertainties. Ultimately, the antidote to Doomerism lies in perpetual growth, driven by relentless questioning and compassionate understanding.
The first time I watched true detective I thought “damn, this rust guy has it all figured out. If you’re disillusioned with everything you can’t be fooled, and if you know who you are regardless of how it looks on the outside you can achieve great things” on the second watch I realized rust is literally killing himself every moment he’s on screen. This man has nothing at all past the case and it has aged him terribly. On the second watch I realized he’s a cautionary tale for those who follow such similar lines of thinking. I could so easily be an old addict working 5 days a week and spending two piss drunk in the back room I rent from some business under the table lamenting about the things I lost. If you let yourself see only darkness, that’s all thatll be there for you, and it’ll kill you sooner or later. You gotta find and cherish the little pinpricks of light, no matter how far part they may be.
As a long time doomer, in the last year especially, I appreciate this analysis. However I disagree with the closing stement: 'The antidote to doomerism is philosophy' because if my instinct of societal collapse does come to fruition, and my cynicism was correct then the 'antidote' would only be denial, which isn't an antidote. I can use philosophy to numb my appropriate feeling of dread, but that doesn't negate the fact that the doomer outlook is correct.
Not to take away your world view, but the circular logic you employ suggests, that you could really use a dose of open minded thought. You might positively surprise yourself.
Objective truth can’t be known to the human mind so whether or not your outlook is correct is subjective. What do you gain from being miserable? Possibly comfort since it logically incentivizes inaction and apathy, never grasping for ambition or developing bonds with people. Is it worth it? I don’t know, maybe for some people. I think that if we can’t ever have the fundamental questions of existence answered then we should just live for living’s sake, incorporating anything that allows us to *live* more, rather than just having a pulse and waiting to become dust.
@@Jonathanizer What do you mean with open minded thought? I am updating my ideas constantly, have a positive reaction when I change my view on something, that's my interpretation of being open minded. I'd be interested to hear yours.
@@E_V878 If society collapses in the next decade, doomerism isn't subjective if it does actually collapse in the next decade. Doomerism is more of a prediction than a philosophy, the philosophy aspect is coming to terms with the prediction as opposed to giving ones self false hope and optimism about our impending demise.
@Silks- I don't think doomerism is a prediction first and foremost. Even an optimistisch or bloomer person or whatever can predict society collapsing (I do.) Where both differentiate is how they deal with that, thus putting back philosophy at the forefront. I think society will collapse, all do, time erodes and grows things, but then how do you recon with that. I think responses to questions like: What does it mean for a society to collapse, and what will happen after? Are way more indicative of what it means to be or not to be a doomer. Philosophies like optimism and pessimism have always been in response to the stimuli of the world, but that doesn't outright change the stimuli. It's just our brain doing backflips.
Hey have you made any video on avicenna? Was trying to find but couldn't. I would love to hear your thoughts on flying man thought experiment and his other arguments
Crazy timing. I’m literally on this journey now. I’ve started to really get into philosophy lately and trying to understand where my morals lie. I know this world is doom but I’m just dancing in it’s horrors. I’m very uncertain on where life is about to go but I’ve decided to start the year being more empathetic and conscious in my actions. As a former doomer I still feel uncertain that if I decide to dance will it all be a waste of time or would I be disappointed but this video reminded me it’s not up to me to decide on where the tides of humanity go. I can only control myself. So writing this comment I’m deciding to let go of my worries and just to enjoy the ride.
People are so quick to blame the entire world when the cause of their suffering either comes from internal desires or just from a small subjection of the world. Your death-end job, your abusive parents or the political system are not „the world“. In addition, peoples lives tend to become what they think it is. If they think it is only suffering then they will only focus on suffering which will multiply it’s impact on your psyche. It is somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy. When it comes to philosophy, then in small Dosis it can help one to understand oneself better as it gives one the ability of self-reflection, but when it goes to the point of a obsession then it will be more harm then good, ultimately the pure skepticism and detachment of philosophy is dissatisfying and this will make your life experience worse in the process.
"its all bullshit and you shouldn't take any of it seriously, and we'll find out the punchline when we get there" - Paraphrased George Carlin during his final stand up act.
Dawkins would argue that the next stage of evolution would be through artifical or synthetic means. Knowing that we can only carry on so long as a species with finite resources, in order to overcome legitimate threats to our species may require cold analytical decisions to enhance ourselves in order to survive. He too very much doubts that any other intelligent life in the universe can reach us without themselves being synthetically enhanced. So, sadly we must detach our humanity and natural inclinations and adapt in order to survive in a ver real hostile universe.
@@bhante1345I do wonder if cold logic is truly the next step. Maybe there would be value to keeping certain aspects of human nature unrelated to our intelligence? May just be bias as well, fondness for what made us human.
Maybe we dont have the solutions to be perfect beings, ones without evil. We have the belief that we know what is right but we do not know what others see outside for it takes time and cannot be always thought of. We seek idealistic thoughts, not thoughts of leisure and happiness but of productivity and materialism. What if theres another way? What if we have the tools to create something better but we are afraid to move into something different. Something equal. Because equality is not wanted by all in fact its easily stated that most people do not agree on what equality even is. So if we need to agree to be successful it seems helpless. Alienation is our world, the fear of the unknown is prominent because nobody can control the outside factors of our world. As found in our work, school, or even at home people can betray you that are closer than most. life constantly gives you problems and hardships. Our desire is comfort and security but change breaks that. What if we are chained to our previous generations ideas for the fact that we are more comfortable then ever. Luxury cars, bigger houses, more security, weapons for self defense, knowledge at our fingertips, and socialization at home. If our comfort is holding us back from change then may we leave these comforts for others to be equal? Should we live in the system of comfort or the path of hardships, the answer should be simple, comfort. Remember our entire existence is made to be comfortable now. Making it harder to separate yourself from your comfortability and to choose self sufficient life of a farmer or hunter. A life without work and full of leisure till you are satisfied with your own life. That is what I believe to be freedom.
@@bhante1345 lightskin staring the police officer at the red light, and he is approaching me (I'm not wearing a helmet and also don't have my license on me)
Another antidote to doomerism is the expansion Endwalker in Final Fantasy 14. Spoiler alert, but the whole plot revolves around a character who is so distraught by the state of every civilization she comes across while exploring the universe that she determines the best course of action is to kill everyone so that they can never suffer in the first place. Every civilization she finds ends up dooming themselves in some way whether through nuclear war, apathy, ect. There is even a society she comes across that is so perfect in every conceivable way that they all decide to kill themselves as it is the only interesting thing left they can experience. It is truly a depressing narrative, but luckily the main cast convince her she is wrong in her final assessment of the universe and it genuinely helped me grapple with existential questions that I didn't know how to answer.
sure people can make brash irrational decisions. but that doesn't give you the right to decide their fate either. because robbing a persons agency is a fate worse than death.
Doomerism is awareness & focusing on the worst human traits, behaviours, injustices & the power of evil in a cold & bleak universe There may not be any hope But amongst the suffering, pain, heartbreak & evil there are moments of relief, joy, awe & connection where some people rise above evil & ego to genuinely strive to make the lives of those they care about, less shit, even if only for a brief period
I reject the idea that the way to have good life was ever to feel entitled to something from others. In reality you show up to life a certain way to be loyal to yourself, to be good to yourself, so that you can look yourself in the mirror and say that you did, you did not want to, it was not easy, but you did the hard things for yourself bc they needed to get done and bc that is better than sitting around and pretending like you did not do anything bc nobody was waiting to reward you for it.
