People in Indonesia easily assume that their salary is sufficient. They don't know how much salary they should receive according to their skills and risks and don't know who will benefit the most, namely the conglomerates.
Certified underwater welders rarely have enough work to do exclusively underwater work. Most of them spend the majority of their work time doing regular welding for regular pay
You should think about why you don't get it. When we propose greater investment in safety, we assume that we have the technology to improve safety while handling a high tension power line, or we are instead proposing investment in R&D. Well until your proposed R&D investments bear fruit, you will continue not to get it. I think we could be grateful to people who take up these risky an essential jobs, so that undeserving people like you and I can continue to live our lives posting dismissive comments on RU-vid. I wonder if we can invest our way out of stupidity. That would be fantastic no?
Probably because the liability rules dont really keep these companies in check in case of serious injury/death or simply is a cost they're willing to cover if margins are too good and probably not worth comparing to the amount of money it'd take to change their safety methods.
As much electricity as a power line? Welders work on lower voltage and higher current. Makes you wonder what research they do before making these videos.
As a technical diver, much of the diving information they gave was incorrect. I can't believe an outlet as big as Business Insider would publish such a poorly research report
I think the person who made this video (maybe the narrator?) doesn’t know much about what she’s saying. As far as danger, the welding part isn’t the big factor. It’s delta P, drowning and currents.
Using a Blood Pressure cuff whilst wearing a thick jacket underneath it isn’t ideal for accurate readings… it’s why paramedics often ask you to roll your sleeves up or take your top off to get to your bare arm to take BP.
My dad worked with a guy in the late 80's who was a deep sea welder.... for literally a single day. Went down on his first job with the "Vet", 40 mins in a pipe busted opened and pulled the vet in, never saw him again. That guy quit as soon as he surfaced.
This is false, these men in Indonesia are not earning 15k a week my friend in this field makes 8k a month in Europe doing this, they are earning FAR LESS. Horrible reporting, no idea where they got those numbers.
Maybe because the work is backlogged with lack of welders, it is less regulated and therefore less costly for management, it is operated from minimal equipment, it has a minimum crew, they operate in much more hazardous conditions and better worker/boss relationships
Not the first time Business Insider just makes things up to make it seem like poor people have it great. According to them, being forced to rent where you live is actually great for me and I’m so rich because I have to pay rent that is significant higher than a mortgage.
1. He's not earning 15k a every week, only during the week when he is on duty. This is also presumably the higher end of the spectrum. 2. I'm personally acquainted with someone who works the same job in an offshore oil rig for a major oil company. He is in his mid 30s and makes the equivalent of 10k during his work week. Offshore oil rigs run by major oil companies pay shitloads. Less prestigious companies would pay a fraction of this sum, of course, but that would still be a significant sum in a developing country.
worth mentioning that for an employer the cost of an employee in for example, Germany, is substantially more than the actual wage they receive. That’s before you start getting into Liability, danger compensation, etc. Paying a worker what appears to be a huge wage and having no further responsibility for them is absolutely cheaper in the long run.
Less education usually equates to less concern about the environment. I think Indonesia's voters care, but it's less on the priority list when you have to eat or have a place to eat/live. Making more money doesn't automatically make you smarter. 🤷♂
@@megamanx466 He literally showed concern about the environment. I think we just tend to view people in developing countries as having that mindset because the US ships all its trash there and then has the balls to say, "Look how dirty and uneducated they are."
Exactly, it's reprehensible for these spoiled westerners to wag their fingers at these developing nations for what the west has already done to become prosperous.
Friend in Maine used to do this. He was a deep-sea welder and used something that looked like a hard-shell space suit with robotic arms. Anyway, an accident occurred and he had to surface very quickly. Got the benz and bad things happened. He was in a decompression chamber for a long time and is now permanently disabled, only about 30 or so years old. Walks slowly with a cane and is on permanent disability, but at least he survived.
The bends is nothing like a heart attack. It's when the water pressure makes the nitrogen in your blood turn into a soluble gas. If you come up too fast then that soluble nitrogen turns into gas causing your blood to boil. Just like opening a can of coke. The pressure changes instantly so the carbon dioxide that's dissolved in the coke turns into gas That's how they describe the bends.
@@xisigma Nothing like a heart attack, though it can CAUSE a heart attack. Bends, aka Decompression Sickness is dissolved gasses emerging from the blood as bubbles due to a rapid decrease in pressure. It absolutely is nasty, it absolutely will kill or cripple you, but it is NOT like a hear attack.... Heart attacks pass, a bad case of the bends is with you forever.
I was an underwater cutter on the Thames Barrier Project in London in the seventies for three years. Now that was black water everything by feel. Insurance stats then reckoned to lose one saturation diver on the North Sea rigs a year, the Thames Barrier - seven, thats how much more dangerous that was. Thankfully no fatalities. I had the best trusted dive team buddies anywhere - Now I'm asked if I hold a Padi certificate 🤣
The seventies were some 50 years ago. That makes you at least 70 years old if not more. The dive shop or dive boat probably doesn't even want to risk having you diving with them because of the liability. Them asking for some recreational diving certificate is the least they can do to check. How else are they supposed to know? Or are they gonna get sued into oblivion if some accident happens.
I went to the barrier as a kid when it was first opened such a massive futuristic looking thing, I bought a little red wooden sailing boat in the gift shop, I used to tie kite string to and sail it in ponds. thank you for your hard work and all the floods its saved us from. the barrier is kind of a forgotten monument of London now I don't know why it fell out of favour on tourists trips and postcards we used to be so proud of it.
These companies aren’t held by first world standards. They get paid so much because they don’t live as long, and insurance isn’t necessary. Could you imagine how much the insurance would cost the company in a developed country? They figure it’s cheaper to pay poor people a little more, than a company a ton more.
At 6:46 - he's literally touching the tip of the electrode as he replaces it & no issue (& yes it is still live), even if he touches the tip of the electrode whilst its welding, the chances of death are low as the anode/pile are the grounded to the welding circuit & the current is more likely to still flow directly through them. The danger is if his hand or body touches the anode or pile whilst he is not welding & the electrode is close to shorting through him into the anode or pile closing the welding circuit - just don't ever make personal physical contact with the grounded welding metal. I use to do this type of work & sometimes if the grounding surface is so so, your teeth would vibrate/shatter from the electric current flowing as you weld.
The current isn't that bad, we use DC current in the water and the supervisor on the surface controls the current. you tell them to go cold when changing the rod. We also wear rubber gloves.
At 6:47 he changes the electrode and just lets it sink to the bottom... Later at 13:35 he says "its not a trash can". The electrode isnt that harmful to the environment etc. but still very ironic.
As a former commercial diver, this is very hard to watch. Diving and wet welding are not the deadliest jobs in the work, but what these guys doing is incredibly dangerous. They are missing all the proper life support and safety equipment to dive, much less do underwater hot work.
You would think that the company he’s working for even the government provide him with all the Necessary, safety precautions, especially if they’re high demand and badly needed and to pay for training and everything else you least give him some Assurances and benefits
There is always a company/employees out there that will do it cheaper just keep working.And push the safety boundaries. Deaths are a added “acceptable” equation into the job summary’s . A lot of people aren’t aware of that.
Look at the interaction at 8:33. The student is all smiling and excited, and the teacher is very solemn and aware that he could have been killed super easily. wow
I have a mate who does underwater welding off the coast of Tasmania Australia. He told me the most SCARIEST thing he has to deal with is Leopard Seals🐆🦭 intentionally screwing with him and his team . He said they're super boisterous at times and sometimes a little aggressive messing with the divers equipment.
@RryhhbfrHhgdHhgd356 not for humans, though. Leopard seals have shown all sorts of behaviour towards humans, from trying to teach a human to hunt to just grabbing a human and dragging them down into the abyss. Orcas don't attack humans unless they're kept in captivity. Boats yes, but not humans.
If you're living in the United States of America and you want to go to a good underwater welding school go to the divers institute of technology in Seattle Washington I went there and I loved it. Best choice to ever made
@@kennymfg9 well if your post 9/11 GI bill pays for it and you still have half of your benefits remaining id say go for it...i did and it worked out for me and it was a great experience with great adventures. I dont regret it whatsoever. Being under water is the best thing ive ever done with my life other than joing the Marine Corps.
@@rainmetal that makes sense I paid outta pocket and worked in the industry for like a year before I realized I could make more money working construction and be home every night. There are schools that do it for a fraction of the price as dit though.
I think being some 50ft underwater for hours on end with minimal vision and control over the water currents around you makes this more dangerous.. not accidentally zapping yourself.
Bless the man for providing for his children after he has lost his loved one. That's a tough a job, as if burning rods top water isn't hard enough on a hot day. I hope he stays safe
Shout-out to the cameraman, for putting up this work without getting paid 15k/week.. For those curious about it, they get paid by the hour and you can't dive everyday/every hour.. So hence the average amount possibly could earned..
Clearly they’re fine. Not everyone opts for a lavish lifestyle. He’s likely keeping the money in savings. He does have 4 children to provide for after all. It’s better to live carefully now and have money for further education when they’re older.
Different with mindsets and mentaliti..fair enough living with good neighbour and nice environment is best ways of living,that the truth bless of life..guy knows, anytime can go wrong while he's working,so the money he saving better for his family in the futures..
Underwater welder is an excellent job with excellent pay and excellent "hours" !¡! Highly recommended as a solid career path IF you know how to mansge your mkney ! Just *STAY AWAY* from working on pipes and things that can suck you in and turn you into human hamburger!¡! Stick to bridges, and jobs where your not in danger of being sucked through a centimetew wide hole !¡!
i assume a lot of it is contractor work, so they wouldn't be working every single week of the year to total up to CEO level yearly salary. And i believe she also said up to 15k/week, not that they all make 15k/week.
@@isk8atparks i look it up, its 350 dollars for a day work (usually its 2 hours). Thats still a lotnof money, but no where near 15k a week and a lot of specialist earns something similar.
@@isk8atparkseven if he works two weeks a year, he would make triple he national average, so he would not be living in such house for sure, my uncle once told me who works in oil and fields, that companies pay third world workers 50-60 bucks a day, atmost 100 if the company is good. Whereas they pay first worlds works like 700-1000 dollars a day
Great & informative video as always. But it would be better if the editors didn't cut speech in the middle of sentences. It's a bit annoying for me as Indonesian lol.
Wait if the anode is meant to be replaced why is it welded to the pillar in the first place. Would some kind of locking/hanging system be way less expensive?
According to the US Navy tables (Doppler limits), you can stay at 2 atmospheres, which is the pressure mentioned in the video (equivalent to 10 m), for 160 minutes without having to make safety stops. (However, this is only good for the first dive of the day.)
A diving friend of mine went into commercial diving and welding at around the age of 21. He travelled all over the world (including Antarctica!) for work with whichever company offered the best pay and conditions. He has now retired at the age of 40 with multiple investment properties and a very comfortable quality of life. On the other hand, while diving recreationally together, he has told me about many incidents where he could have easily lost his life while working🙃.
$15k a week is probably an overstatement. Maybe few people earn such money, but for developing country it's way too much. Or you mention "certified divers", maybe they had to give 90% of their salary for "certification"
I do believe that divers are quite well paid for the job that they perform underwater, and hopefully they will continue to be very careful with the job that they do
I agree :)) I am a welder..I’m listening to this and laughing in the same time…this people have no idea what they’re talking about…welder can’t die by touching electrode …in Malaysia divers do not making that much money! (Especially locals).. I mean look how they leave and look on their equipment that will tell you about their salary..and $15,000 !!! :)))))) even American or UK diver (at least not most of them anyway )not making that much !!!! What a joke
Come on. This is underwater welding, not ordinary welding. It isn't as dangerous as people make it out to be, but it still is dangerous. The two are completely different. Imagine doing it with no floor beneath you and currents moving you around. Besides that, the bubbles reduce visibility along with the unclear water. Also salt water is a lot more conductive to air, so if it's not close enough to the anode it can shoot arks out.
@@OnlyMe-mt7zb I’m talking about the risk of electrocution. Of course it’s dangerous, but not because of the welding aspect. People die sometimes while doing regular scuba diving, of course any form of commercial diving is much more dangerous. What makes arc dangerous, it’s just the flow of electricity, if it arcs it’s going to be low voltage arcs.
150 to 300 dollars an hour to do this job. Those guys retire after the first 5 years because it is a tough job that pays very well. Doctor level money.
it has to be a strong conneection not only so it does not fall of but because it needs to have a good low restiance metaeal connection so it works properly for taking the rust of the pilliars
@@connorthomas2667 wires are isolated. But... then again, the welded on mass also has limited contact surface. You can also have periodic checks / current detection... really can't see why'd weld it deep, especially for 15000$ price range of work.
It seems like that would be easier and cheaper and safer, so I expect there is some valid reason why they don't do it that we aren't aware of due to insufficient knowledge on the topic. At the very least this alternate solution probably isn't as simple as it seems.
A slot would likely let water get in between the two different metals and defeat the purpose of the sacrificial anode. They need to be in sufficient contact to allow them to interact electrochemically. On a smaller scale it can be done with wires, I'm not sure if that would work on something this big or if more contact is needed, but wires would need to be spot welded anyway.
Doesn’t work that way. It’s not like some 16 year old boy has just figured out a better method for the industry in 7 minutes watching a video while his mom makes him breakfast.
As a welding engineer and also as an Indonesian, this video resonates. But whilst there are inherent risks as these chaps experience, it's nowhere near as bad as those underwater saturation divers and welders in the oil and gas industry. To be honest, Indonesia doesn't have that much of a safety culture. It's improving, for sure, but having been to a few job sites where welders and supervisors fail to protect themselves from arc eye or UV, merely utilising fake raybans, or working from height without proper fall arrest gear, or confined space ingress and egress, the danger pay will more than make up for the risks. It also looks like that your first chap lives in a Jakarta Kampung, so you'd regard his modest livelihood as being definitely blue collar. Let's see if their employing organisation is ISO9001 certified.
Pekerjaan seperti mekanik alat berat atau sejenisnya memang uang nya besar di indonesia.saya sendiri se orang mekanik alat berat di Kalimantan.. saya juga bisa seperti yang ada di video tapi hanya didaratan
it really is impressive ( n sure concerning when exploited with cheapness of cost), some of the things done to keep things/society 'afloat'...sounds like this vid has errors abound but, still a cool niche occupation to see a bit of.
@@topopolis Dang the 15k a month just make sense in my head man. But I guess 30k a year is more realistic though that is still pretty high compared to other jobs in Indonesia.
My cousin is a deep sea welder he has been all over the pacific coast for dives I don’t talk to him much but from what he says he makes a ton money from it and it is insanely dangerous
Business Insider seems to be stupid this time. welding does not use much voltage than 16v but only current which is about 160amp to ignite welding stick.
Fun fact about The Bajau people of Indonesia, they are like real-life mutants. They have larger spleens, allowing them to hold their breath for up to 13 minutes and dive deep underwater. It's almost like they have superpowers for living in the ocean
@@roxylius7550 they are realy have bigger spleen, but most bajau in indonesia doesnt free dive anymore, they use same umbilical tool in video. Some youtuber based on indonesia also debunk it already they cant free dive to long.
@@asterinycht5438 yes, I dont dispute that. They have bigger spleen which allows their body to release additional red blood cell and subsequently more oxygen into the body. However, 13 minutes claim has never been validated by anybody other than natgeo. Multiple organization has travelled to indonesia to verify this and so far nothing. Also if they really can hold their breath for 13 minuted or more, they could easily absolutely destroy current world record and earn hundred of thousands from publicity, prize money, etc. So far not a single bajou people is on the leaderboard despite them having connection to outside world through phone, internet, etc so yes, it’s the usual media bs
According to a study published in the March 2011 issue of Diving and Hyperbaric Medicine Journal, the Bajau people had an average dive duration of only 38 seconds. During the study the Bajau people were found to dive to no more than 5-7 metres (16-23 feet) deep. Claims of them diving to 60 metres and holding their breath for 13 minutes are wildly exaggerated and never been demonstrated.
Don't get me wrong, but why does someone with a lisp have to comment on this video? Surely someone who is 1.60m tall isn't trying to become a basketball player?
Building bridges and them falling apart. Sounds a lot like life, but everyone moves on and they keep rebuilding broken down bridges and infrastractures with limited budget.
I know an underwater welder, he drives a Ferrari, has a massive house and is due to retire at 42 with enough money for him and his family to comfortably see the rest of their days out……however dangerous it is, it’s worth it.❤
Sounds like a poor perspective. Men don’t get time to rest. We don’t have that luxury. The world depends on us! 80-90% of the worlds infrastructure is maintained by men. Let me say it again, maintained by men. Not women. He has to provide for his family. It doesn’t stop! There’s no welfare for men as it is for women.
