I totally agree! Weird , but I literally just watch a Dave's World of Fun Stuff video and he did a demo on this exact thing. Brilliant minds in tandem! 🐉💀🎸🎶🎵🧠
Not to mention vintage style tuners hide the string ends so they don’t poke you and scratch your headstock. I think we all know the agony of being stabbed with the end of a string
I put my guitar in a bag. Picked it up to move it some place else. And the string popped trough the bag and poked me lightly in the dick. I wish i was joking...😂
I refuse to understand why the hole-through became a standard instead of this. I have a strat with vintage tuners - easiest string changes, no string ends, AND clean as hell. Definitely agree 100%
They still use them on several models. The ones that don’t come with them can be easily retrofitted. They sell them separately for just that purpose, I put them on a Mexican Standard Tele, and they work great.
The only disadvantage to those tuners are if you're away from home and you don't have wire clippers then you'd have to wind it without going down the hole, or you'd have way too many wraps on the low strings. You could fix it up later, though. I like how it prevents you from getting stabbed on your finger tips with the plain strings; we've all done it. Strings ends sometimes chew up the inside of your case, too.
They also have a great look to them. There's something about the design of vintage style tuners that modern tuners just can't match in terms of "cool" factor
If I remember correctly I’ve heard that more winds around the tuning post leaves more possibility for the guitar to go out of tune so vintage tuners would be a risk. If I use modern tuners there are methods to reduce string winds to around 1, and with locking tuners you just slide it in and it’s locked so it’s very minimal winds as well.
Agreed. If I need to take all the strings off, I loosen them a few turns, put a masking tape above the nut* on both sides of the strings, then Pop them all Off at once. That way they don’t get tangled together. Tip: role both ends of The masking tape over so you have something to pull to take them off. This also doesn’t work well with a “delicate” masking tape, you need the standard green painter’s tape. * above the nut as some glue gets left on from the tape.
I have tried a ton of different tuners, may favorite are gotoh delta series 21:1 locking tuners and graphtech ratio locking tuners. The problem with excess string winds is that the string has a tendency to slip and that leads to them going out of tune. Locking high ratio tuners allows for minimal string winds, if any and more precise tuning. I have tried at least 7 different brands. I don't like bad-mouthing brands but there are a few that I didn't like at all. I usually replace all of the guitars tuners that I own, sometimes twice when I don't like the 1st brand I change to. I hope that helps.
How do you like those ratio tuners? Are they more stable than other locking tuners? I wanted some for my Tele, but fender all shorts has a steeper break angle and I use pretty light strings for my particular tuning..
I was having trouble with my new fender Stratocaster. I’ve never had these vintage tuners before. This really helped me out I didn’t notice the holes in the tuners. I had to take my strat to my tech, which is easier for me and it’s only ten bucks for my tech to restring my guitars and clean it up. Plus he checks the intonation, trust rod and the wiring.
I have gotoh locking tuners. They look like vintage tuners but they're locking. Best of both worlds. Quicker to string up, easy to take the string off and on again, look great and no wraps round the post keeps the tuning more stable.
I disagree. The only time that would even come up would be if you had to do a setup and you just put on new strings. Locking tuners all the way. I’ll save more time and get better consistency and have more stable tuning.
The vintage style tuners of my MIM '95 Fender Stratocaster Special worked perfectly until the low E tuner seized up right after the one-year warranty expired in '97 so I replaced it with a cheap open gear offset tuner that held its own among the five remaining vintage tuners for the next 22 years until I replaced em with an entire set of Tonepros improved vintage style Kluson Deluxe tuners. I enlarged the holes with a 3/8 drill bit to accommodate them and they are the best set of non-locking tuners I've ever had; only difference is that they make the strings ring more as I feel the vibration throughout the entire guitar but, apart from that, the stringing technique remains the same as it should.
My Squire Vintage Modified has them and they work great. Only guitar I own that doesn't have locking Grovers or Sperzel tuners and it stays in tune for weeks at a time.
I suspect they use modern ones for The same reason all these tiny parts like pots, capacitors etc are selected for the majority of high production guitars- cost Modern non-locking tuners are Mede is such high numbers that Fender can likely buy them in huge numbers and have a considerable savings over their 10,000 or whatever production. It all adds up, especially if the marketing people have targets of $500, $750, $1000 etc guitars. Nickel and dimming
The first time I got a guitar with vintage tuners, I hated them. Seemed so difficult to use. But since then, I've seen the light. They are the best things since sliced bread. Easy to use and you can remove strings and reuse them too. Great for when you're cleaning or performing maintenance
I believe I had these in a Thinline Tele decades ago and they were handy. I had a PRS EG2 before with stock PRS locking tuners and they were handy too. My PRS SE has the plain jane ones and they drive me nuts. Happily I don't change strings much anymore.
Disagree. If I take a string off, it's almost always to put a new string on. If I were to mess around with the pickups or other electronics, might as well string change as well. I don't see the need to make it convenient to put old strings back on.
Agree with you and don't know why they ever changed them? They are my favorite too and i dont like having to spin dials on locking style keys, plus they're heavier.
I like the later version with the narrower slot. I'm not sure, but I think the rereleast of the Lead I, II, and III have these. Schaller still makes them, and G&L uses a similar tuner (could be the Schallers) as their standard. These are head and shoulders superior to the hole-through tuners (which people use for no other reason than tradition or ignorance) and simpler than locking tuners (less weight) and just as good unless you're dive bombing a vibrato in which case you'd have a locking nut anyway.
Hey there I love the fender vintage type tuner which you recommended, I try to put them on my built’s whenever possible 🎸but I Hate fenders locking tuners , prefer gotoh , Wilkinson, or Grover locking tuners , over the fenders. Like totally Kool 😸 keep on strumming 🎼🎸✌️
Why not just use locking tuners ? I suppose it's all personal preference but I find the vintage style fender tuners to be exceptionally unreliable.. but hey maybe im just a snob 😂
They are the absolute best! Easy to string up and look good from front to back. I usually lock in the higher strings by winding on half of the split post in the first turn and then continuing to wind normally. It keeps the higher strings from slipping.
Ahh, this one takes me back! I have used your words verbatim with 2 other guitarists and felt like....i should really thank landon for this!! I can admit i didn't know before the vid
I have the same style tuners on a London City guitar. And in the bezinning i haten them. But then i tried the string in the centrehole. And it got stuck instantly. They realy work like you said....
Locking is still better. *No wraps, so no binding of wound strings. *High strings don't ever slip (this happens at the worst possible times, when you don't have another pack).
I think they’re great as well. My only complaint is after all these years I still can’t cut them the right length every time. Gonna have to measure them and memorize the length for each string 😅
I like the vintage tuners but locking tuners are so much more useful. I don't even take my strings off unless I'm going to replace them. You can do the same thing with locking tujers, but a pack of strings is $3-$4 anyway if you buy in bulk.
The high e is a bit a nightmare to string but yeah, no prickly strings goes a long way and your guitar case will loce you for it... Oh and Landon.... Flip your phone 🤣🤣🤣
I found if you put a ninety degree bend in the string that has about 3/4 to 1 inch length that you put into the tuner then with one finger hold the string against the headstock near the tuner as you wind it’s super easy (even on the high E string).
@@paulcordova4640 That’s a great tip. Wish I had tried that. The high E annoyed me on my CV tele. I replaced them with a set of gotoh locking tuners, which I like.
I’d agree if only the high e string isn’t so damn hard to put on and keep it in place while tightening up the tuners cause they unravel and spring up so it takes me 10 minutes just doing the e :/, does anyone have any tips that could help me out with that?
Brooo I like vintage tuners too but these things are a nightmare for live performances... 1. If you break a string, you best have a pair of wire cutters on stage to restring the guitar. 2. The high e string slips slowly out of tune the whole show if you don’t get a tight enough wrap...
I've got vintage style F tuners on my Lead II and locking tuners on my tele. I've been playing bass for 20 years as well. Every bass I've owned except for my Steinberger has had tuners like the vintage ones. I've never understood why guitars use anything but split head vintage style tuners. Even the locking tuners aren't as good. Vintage Style tuners are unbeatable
Vintage are better than regular but anyone saying vintage is more reliable than locking is just flat out wrong. Locking tuners dont slip ever. They cant. Headless guitars are even better for that. My strandbergs stay in tune for literally months with no adjustment.
I can’t get the high e string to stay in the hole on my Tom Delonge Strat. It pops out every time. I had to shove a toothpick in to hold it. Other than that they’re ok.
From Leo: Vintage tuners are great. I have found that Gotoh makes a vintage style set. I think I will order some to check out how smooth they are. I was pretty happy with Wilkinson tuners until they redesigned them with two holes and did not taper the shafts. The solution was worse than the problem. I am sure it was a market demand from people who don't know how to string a guitar.
@@joelmiddaugh8229 Sorry Joel, I am no one special, just one of 146,000 plus men named Leo in this country. I put my name whenever I use my wife's computer for social media.
And that's how it went for Andy - that was his routine. I do believe those first two strings were the worst for him, and I also believe that if things had gone on that way, this place would have got the best of him.
Not sold. I put locking tuners on ALL of my guitars. My first US strat ('93) came with locking tuners and I have never gone back. So all 4 of my strats have them, as well as my tele's and my duo sonics, jaguar and mustang.
@@bimguff I changed the neck on a partscaster that I had to Shim!!!! That thing was on and off the body 10 times before I got it RIGHT! Also it's one of those stupid necks that has to come off to adjust the truss rod!
