Why Was David Whitmer Excommunicated from the Church? (Knowhy

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David was the only one of the Three Witnesses who never returned to the Church. Nevertheless, to the end of his life he retained a firm conviction of the truth of the Book of Mormon. Near the end of his life he publicly declared, “I have never at any time denied that testimony [of the Book of Mormon] or any part thereof, which has so long since been published with that Book, as one of the three witnesses. Those who know me best, well know that I have always adhered to that testimony. And that no man may be misled or doubt my present views in regard to the same, I do again affirm the truth of all my statements, as then made and published.”13 On David’s headstone in Richmond, Missouri, chiseled in stone, are the words “The Record of the Jews and the Record of the Nephites are One. Truth is Eternal.”
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@FalconFastest123 3 года назад

In a way, his leaving the church actually increases the validity of his testimony. If he had lied about seeing the angel and the gold plates, he would have had no reason to continue that lie after leaving the church. But instead he testified until the day he died that what he had witnessed was true, despite having nothing to gain from it. Clearly he was telling the truth.

@95scTA 3 года назад

There is that one unpardonable sin. Living the Gospel, was hard then, it’s hard now. He wasn’t willing to lie to God. He knew what he saw, I respect the man for that. Regardless of his reasons for leaving the Church, he was truthful to the end.

@lorismith8887 3 года назад

In researching my fathers side of my family, the non LDS side, I discovered some old photographs of the Means family taken by photographer Jacob Hicks. The same photographer who took the photos of David Whitmer featured here. This family who never joined the church probably knew many early members of the church in the Liberty Missouri area.

@cynthianicolascastro5674 3 года назад

Thanks for this great information. Learning a lot every day from BOM Central. Keep it up

@BrandenSmith-sx2qh 5 месяцев назад

I Believe that he fulfilled his life’s mission by staying true to his testimony of the Book of Mormon and will be blessed for it. The Lord ultimately picked him as a witness knowing what would happen.

@MarleeCraig 3 года назад

I so enjoy learning about the early saints of the church. These videos give more understanding. Thank you CFM I am learning so much ❤

@saintinlower48 3 года назад

I'm glad to have this additional information. Good to know!

@dinocollins720 5 месяцев назад

Another fantastic video! Thank you!

@mattmetcalf559 2 года назад

To be very fair to David Whitmer he worked with Joseph Smith Jr to organise to Church of Christ. David had a mind of his own when it came to religion and he didn't just let Joseph Smith Jr dictate theology unchecked. To David Whitmer and many others in the church to challenge Joseph was not an act of treason it was an act of loyalty to Christ. To say the least Joseph Smith Jr had a bit of a control issue and over time Joseph pushed out those who might challenge him. When we look at the Latter Day moment through the LDS perspective it is hard to understand people like David Whitmer but if you examine it from the perspective of the 1820's and 30's historical perspective Davids behaviors make a lot of sense. The Book fo Mormon witness for him was not a literal vision it was a private experience held with the other witnesses so that was a private experience. The church which he helped build was also something he cared very much about. Joseph Smith Jr as a unchecked prophet was never something he believed in probably because he worked closely with Joseph Smith Jr and knew him well.

@spitimalamati 3 года назад

He also wrote “An Address to all Believers in Christ.” He gives more reasons why he separated.

@paleodust Год назад

Right. It's sad that this presenter feels the need to lie about him, claiming that he gave no reasons. 🤥

@icecreamladydriver1606 Год назад

@@paleodust Gotta protect the image of the church at all cost. Right?

@TheWhiteRabbit55 3 года назад

I would also add it may have had something to do with the book that David Whitmer wrote a book where he tried to convince others that Joseph was never suppose to be the Prophet and that the Prophet was not the highest position in the church.

@mjwells100 3 года назад

I always wondered why David Whitmore left the church because his entire family were very supportive and involved in the beginning. I know that Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris left the church but returned. Whitmore never returned. At least he never wavered from the veracity of the Book of Mormon.

@jasonroberts9788 3 года назад

Well now it's even more perplexing why he behaved as he did!!!

@95scTA 3 года назад

Same reason we all do. We are human. Same reason even though you have a strong testimony you still sin. The hardest person to forgive in this life is yourself.

@FalconFastest123 3 года назад

You have to understand the unusual position that the early church members were in. The church was still small back then, only a few thousand members, and no one knew if the young church would survive or for how long. Joseph Smith was under constant attack from mobs, the press, corrupt law enforcement, and even other members. Rumors about Joseph and other church leaders ran wild, leading many to apostatize from the church. And to some, the constant persecution of the saints made them wonder if God had abandoned them. It's easy to imagine how David Whitmer may have become bitter and decided that while the Book of Mormon was true, perhaps the church itself was not. It's not very logical when you think about it, but people rarely act logically when they are emotional.

@honder1866 3 года назад

He "voluntarily withdrew," because his life was threated if he didn't do so. See also "Salt Sermon" and "Danites." David's "sin" was expressing disagreement with Joseph Smith, Jr. and taking seriously his own calling, the authority he had been granted in the church, and proper church governance as laid out in the revelations. David's disagreements with Joseph included the institution of the office of High Priest, which Sidney Rigdon had encouraged, but which went against David's understanding of the New Testament, specifically the Epistle to the Hebrews. Also, he objected to the publication of Joseph Smith's revelations in the Book of Commandments/Doctrine and Covenants on the basis that they were not intended to be scripture for the whole church. He also objected to the church's name being changed from the original "Church of Christ." He also objected to polygamy. And finally, he objected to the supremacy of Joseph's authority in the church and the idea that a member in good standing could not express disagreement. David believed God had told him in His own voice to separate from the Latter Day Saints. "And now you know why."

@ElizabethRussell144 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for an even more nuanced and accurate summary.

@paulw2117 3 года назад

I believe it was said in the Doctrine and Covenants that Joseph Smith said that all of the leading brethern turned against him at some point or another except Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball. And I'm pretty sure most of Joseph Smith's family stayed faithful towards him. Hyrum, Samuel, etc

@paleodust Год назад

In reality, Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball were the ones who led the secret combination that took the lives of Joseph, Hyrum, and likely Samuel and Don Carlos.

@thelatterdayteacher Год назад

@@paleodust That's a very slanderous thing to say; you have no credible information from credible sources to support you

@icecreamladydriver1606 Год назад

@@thelatterdayteacher Well, I have to agree with paleodust because there have been a lot of people from several branches of the restored gospel who have been doing research that others choose not to do because it goes against the church narrative and not many want to upset the apple cart. The Book of Mormon says that in these last days much knowledge will come forth and it is.

@thelatterdayteacher Год назад

@@icecreamladydriver1606 It would be helpful to know what " several branches of the restored gospel" could mean that feel they have the right to create or spread such slanderous falsehoods and what claims of pretended authority they pretend to. It sounds somewhat cultish or maybe just more anti-mormon fake justifications of the same lies, from the same bloodthirsty groups that used slanderous reasoning to murder the early saints of the church.

@icecreamladydriver1606 Год назад

@@thelatterdayteacher In the beginning there was a prophet named Joseph Smith who translated gold plates. This prophet was murdered. A few years later a large group of the church left for Utah but many other groups formed and went other directions and some stayed in the area. Some of the groups embraced the crime of polygamy while others did not. You asked what branches of the restored gospel who pretended to have the "authority". They have the same authority as Brigham's group as they were blessed and ordained also. Not only the people in Brigham's group were blessed and ordained. I think we mostly don't know about those people because we were only taught that Brigham's group was the restored and only true church. Why would it be that only his group had these blessings and authority? It isn't just these people who have learned so much through research but members of the Brighamite church have really dug in and are finding a great deal of information that we members have never known. I don't know how much of it is true but I can sure see how it could have happened that way.

@pamh9690 3 года назад

I think ill be making a quick trip to Richmond!

@paleodust Год назад

Why do you feel the need to lie about him? "An Address to All Believers in Christ" quite clearly gives his reasons!

@ChildePC 9 месяцев назад

It really makes no difference. He left the church dening that he had to be apart of it. Im excommunicated and i dont deny the Book of mormon either. But what Good is that testamony before a God who commands my repentance and obedience. He was neither.