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Why Was The Fw-190A So Fast? 

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How did the Fw-190 manage so much speed with a blunt nosed airframe and an aircooled radial engine? This is episode three in a series, I'll get into the power and aerodynamics of this amazing plane.
This is part 3 in my Fw 190 series. I didn't put that in the title because youtube hates series and doesn't seem to recommend anything much past an episode 1.
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Note: the pictures in this video don't exactly match what's I'm talking about, for example when talking about an A5, not every 190 picture is of an A5, it could be an A8 or whatever.
Some people are having a hard time understanding how ethylene glycol allows for a more compact cooling system, so I'll post a section from "Aircraft Propulsion" the source document from THE SMITHSONIAN. This is copyright free.
"The use of high-boiling liquids (mixtures of water and ethylene
glycol) for engines formerly water-cooled was an important forward step
in reducing the heat-transfer area, and thereby the drag, of radiators for
liquid-cooled engines. At the suggestion of S. D. Heron, a 1-cylinder engine
was tested at McCook Field in 1923 with a mixture of water and ethylene
glycol at a high coolant temperature, probably near 300° F During 1928-
1929 further tests were made at McCook Field with a Curtiss D-12 engine.
After considerable development work to avoid leaks and to overcome other
troubles encountered, the use of this method of cooling was adopted for
Curtiss liquid-cooled engines by 1932, and used soon afterward by Allison
and Rolls-Royce. This change, which allowed operation of the coolant
at 250° F, reduced the radiator area required by about 50 percent (fig.55).
This improvement, together with better radiator design and radiator
cowling (fig. 56) brought the drag of liquid-cooled engines well below that
of air-cooled radials of equal power. "
Now if all that doesn't do it for you, here are some fun facts to help out. The maximum allowable coolant temp in a Curtis P-40 is 125C/257F. Cooling system pressures in WW2 aircraft were between about 10psi and 30psi, with 30 being the highest I have ever seen in documentation. Even at 30PSI water will boil at 257F. As steam won't circulate properly and cool the engine, something with a higher boiling point must be used. That something was ethylene glycol. Thus by using ethylene glycol they were able to run at higher coolant temps for a given pressure and still cool the engine, thus were able to use smaller coolers.
I hope that helps.

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@paulmichaelsmith3207
@paulmichaelsmith3207 2 месяца назад
Late reply, but thank you for this. This is off topic but hopefully close enough. My father was a B-24 pilot in the 15th and regularly encountered 109s and 190s. The 109s bounced the formations, groups, squadrons and forced them to break up. Dad said these were very pro pilots, knew just what they were doing. Even while being attacked, he had to admire their skill and bravery. That alone scared the bejesus out of everyone. Formations broken up, the 190s attacked often head on in lines up to ten or so. My father, a low key man, never one to be dramatic or given to hyperbole, said the 190s chewing thru planes all around him was the scariest part of the war for him. Sorry to prattle!
@nomadpi1
@nomadpi1 13 дней назад
Not prattle, but 1st person witness.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
Wow, four hours to go until the video premiers and already one thumbs down! I seriously enjoy seeing that. It insures me that thumbs down are not really content based, and are often not legit criticisms.
@dheemanrajkhowa2866
@dheemanrajkhowa2866 3 года назад
That downvote probably came from a Spitfire Mark 5 lover.
@darkoneforce2
@darkoneforce2 3 года назад
Or tried a thumbs up on a (smart)phone but accidentally pressed the thumbs down.
@vaclav_fejt
@vaclav_fejt 3 года назад
Nobody knows how these downvotes appear - on basically every video that gets at least a thousand views. I guess some men just want to watch the world burn.
@krummsaebel4282
@krummsaebel4282 3 года назад
@@darkoneforce2 That`s it!
@sadwingsraging3044
@sadwingsraging3044 3 года назад
Whooole lot of illegitimate going around.
@sadwingsraging3044
@sadwingsraging3044 3 года назад
An engineering masterpiece designed around needs instead of wants is a testament to the skill of the engineers.
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 3 года назад
Shame the engine was lackluster
@sadwingsraging3044
@sadwingsraging3044 3 года назад
@@tedarcher9120 hence the use of the term _needs_ in my comment. The inline engines were being used, or misused more to the point, on the woefully hopeless 210 series of planes. The radial engine factory sitting idle was what this plane was designed and built to keep that from happening.
@SvenTviking
@SvenTviking 3 года назад
It was alright, better than a Spitfire V in late 1942, but beaten by Spitfire IX, XII and the Typhoon, and not that useful at altitude.The D9 was better with increased performance at altitude, but really similar in speed to a P51D. A Spitfire XIV had much better performance vs the D9 bar roll rate. The Ta152 was fast, as long as the water/methanol and nitrous oxide injection tanks were full. The strangest thing about the Fw190 was the lack of adjustable trim tabs on the control surfaces. Trim had to be set on the ground by a fitter bending the fixed trim tabs with a mallet and block of wood and trim could not be adjusted in flight as on most allied aircraft. A P51 pilot could adjust trim in flight on all control surfaces. This meant that the Fw190 pilot would have to adjust his aircraft’s trim as the centre of gravity changes with fuel use by corrective pressure on the stick and rudder pedals. That’s fatiguing on a long flight and inefficient.
@spindash64
@spindash64 3 года назад
That’s pretty much the entire “warhorse” philosophy he used. You might WANT a big engine in a small plane, but you NEED something that will bring your pilots home, lest you run out of pilots. You might WANT the lowest drag possible, but you NEED to make sure the plane can be saved when the fields go bad
@ulfenburg7539
@ulfenburg7539 3 года назад
@@tedarcher9120 The FW 190 weren't lackluster. Well at the end yes but the start? no
@dcbadger2
@dcbadger2 3 года назад
That armored oil cooler arrangement that relies on the pressure differential of the boundary layer and the fan pressure is ridiculous and brilliant. We take if for granted what these engineers had to do without CAM/CAD, and that they made relatively safe high performance aircraft.
@jonoedwards4195
@jonoedwards4195 3 года назад
Amazing stuff, You could imagine der bickering that went on between the White an blue shirts on the machine floors,, "Nien,, NIEN!!" All the best Dcbadger2.
@off6848
@off6848 2 месяца назад
It’s a Tesla design from 1927
@sgd5k292
@sgd5k292 Месяц назад
Back in the 70s I attended a scale model aircraft event and sitting in the grass was a model FW-190 with a 72 inch wing span with incredible detail, including wear and weathering. It looked to have been in its share of battles. It was the most intimidating aircraft I have ever seen. An absolute work of art and I will never will forget it.
@Wallyworld30
@Wallyworld30 3 года назад
Greg, I pretty sure you already know this but the community is infinitely grateful for your hard work on these beautiful war birds. I feel like you are doing important preservation of the details and explanation of these planes that the vast majority of the people wouldn’t have a clue about. You really go a step further than even the other best creators on the subject. Thanks again!
@asiftalpur3758
@asiftalpur3758 3 года назад
Greg has elevated the whole genre.
@PaulMcCartGuitarTracks
@PaulMcCartGuitarTracks 3 года назад
@@asiftalpur3758 p
@brianhiles8164
@brianhiles8164 3 года назад
Perhaps Greg/Rene will indirectly benefit from his positive notoriety from such videos....
@selwild2050
@selwild2050 3 года назад
J'apprécie grandement le travail de Greg, c'est très instructif. I really do appreciate Greg'swork, it's very informative. Mille mercis, a thousand thanks!
@andrewshenton7630
@andrewshenton7630 3 года назад
You're a legend Greg. Seriously love your work!
@neilpemberton5523
@neilpemberton5523 3 года назад
When the P47 appears over Europe: German pilots: "It's a flying tank!" Kurt: "They stole my radial concept AND my name!"
@spindash64
@spindash64 3 года назад
That, or: “Ah, I see you are engineers of culture as well”
@glenn1035
@glenn1035 3 года назад
Or "So they finally saw the advantages of the radial engines of U.S.Navy aircraft" Not that Germany ever finished one aircraft carrier.
@dessullivan668
@dessullivan668 3 года назад
The P47 was a real brute with bite and range. Very difficult to top in the right hands.
@neilpemberton5523
@neilpemberton5523 3 года назад
@@glenn1035 Yes, your point is well made. In a quick Wikipedia search I found the Fw44, a radial engined biplane designed by Kurt Tank which first flew in 1932. However the US Navy adopted its radial only policy as far back as 1921.
@dessullivan668
@dessullivan668 3 года назад
@Richard Tattis True but sometimes you have to use what you are given and Australia was given circa 850 P40 's and circa 650 Spits both inline powered fighter's which served us well and we will be forever grateful for these great fighters.
@tomnekuda3818
@tomnekuda3818 2 года назад
A lot of good thinking, experimentation, and engineering went into the air-cooled Fw-190 to bring its drag down to an acceptable level. It's quite amazing what the Germans were able to with the limitations they experienced with poor fuel, the need to import metal during wartime, and many other shortages that war brought to Germany. Good upload, Greg.
@nightsailor1
@nightsailor1 3 года назад
In a way I hate to say this but by all appearances the Engineers and Physicists had all the fun during the war. The explosion of ideas and development must have been intoxicating. Wonderful focused reporting. I look forward to more.
@tomarmadiyer2698
@tomarmadiyer2698 26 дней назад
B V
@bobdyer422
@bobdyer422 3 года назад
I remember reading Kurt Tank stating how his feet felt when flight testing the FW-190 for the first time "Like a blow torch set to my feet, beyond that great potential" . Soon after the coned cowling soon disappeared. Obviously this is my favorite Axis AC. Even the "D" and Ta versions. The only in-lines I can stomach. I don't comment much because your work is so in-depth and precise, It's just more of a pleasure to listen and learn. Thanks
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 3 года назад
+bob dyer The cockpit was also moved back a bit in the next prototype if I recall.
@pervertt
@pervertt 3 года назад
P-38 pilots would love to have the 190's problem with toasty feet.
@smokeonthewater5287
@smokeonthewater5287 2 года назад
If you enjoy these planes, try 'Aces High' air combat simulator. Very much fun, concentrated on the air combat part.
@964cuplove
@964cuplove 3 года назад
17:04 the full sentence says: below the full-pressure-altitude the performance(s) with the internal air inlets are better. Servus from a German friend aus München!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
Danke.
@bluefox9436
@bluefox9436 3 года назад
Ui noch ein Münchner 😅
@niftyschnifty813
@niftyschnifty813 3 года назад
I think Volldruckhöhe is translated to full throttle height or critical height.
@MadCat1381
@MadCat1381 3 года назад
Hey Greg, great video. Keep up the good work. But as a German speaker, I have to chime on the translations of the oil cooler system. :D Number 3 "Behaelterpanzer" means reservoirs armor and 4 "Ringoelbehälter" is the ring shaped oil reservoirs, literal ring oil reservoirs. Regarding the external air scoops. There is a german publication with actual pictures of 190s with these scoops. One is an A4 flown by Wilhelm Galland, Commander of the II./JG26 in 1943 in France. According to this publication these where more or less field modifications for the high level interceptors as the RLM did not want to diversify the production more.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
Thanks, I have pinned a similar comment by the Sheriff, and I'll clarify all this in the next episode. I appreciate your help here.
@jetaddicted
@jetaddicted 3 года назад
Hi madcat, since you seem to enjoy little anecdotes about the -190, you may be happy to hear that there are a couple of concrete training bombs once used by Focke Wulfs hanging the exact place where they were left, in the grass, in what is now the restauration section of the French aerospace museum in le Bourget. The Germans used the French Navy hangars that were sitting opposite the runways, on the Dugny commune, and left some stuff in 1944. There is also a French built Fw-190 (nc-900) in the museum. fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCAC_NC.900
@MadCat1381
@MadCat1381 3 года назад
@@jetaddicted Thanks! Le Bourget is a place I alway wanted to visit, but never had a chance to. Maybe when travel is possible again.
@AlbaSkies
@AlbaSkies 3 года назад
Just want to take a minute to say that these videos are absolutely fascinating. I don't think there's any other RU-vidr who can hold my attention, uninterrupted for over half an hour. Thanks for putting these together Greg!
@TringmotionCoUk
@TringmotionCoUk 2 года назад
Try Perun 👍
@cindybetten7573
@cindybetten7573 Год назад
Hi, I’m Cindy’s husband, Dwight. Totally fascinating. When things get “technical” I usually zone out but you are able to keep me riveted and absorbing your content. I really appreciate that, because it is a talent you have to communicate to a less then technical person like me. Good job Greg, IMO. Thanks again.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
Thanks Dwight.
@vilhelmleons9631
@vilhelmleons9631 3 года назад
The 190 is what made me love warbirds its shape always reminded me of a great white (not the kinda thing you wanna find behind you suddenly as well)
@trauko1388
@trauko1388 3 года назад
Same here, a lethal shark.
@oceanhome2023
@oceanhome2023 3 года назад
Ditto !
@davidlednicer8890
@davidlednicer8890 3 года назад
Thanks for the kind words. I really enjoyed your video and learned a good bit about the Fw 190.
@mauvegrail
@mauvegrail 3 года назад
I learned to fly when I was stationed at AFCENT at Brunnsum in the Netherlands. My training was done on Cessna 150s and 172s. The flyng club at Beek Airport in Limburg in South Netherlands also had a Piper Cub. I looked over this plane and though that I wouldn't be caught dead in it. After I got my PPL I was asked by the club management if I could ferry a 150 to Beerse in Belgium for maintenance. They reassured me that there would be a flight back, and thatv I wouldn't have to walk the 60 -70 miles back. Thus reassured, I said OK. When I arrived at Beerse I found that the only plane that was returning to Beek was the Piper Cub. So, now I had a choice, climb into the Piper or walk home. Of course I flew home. It was a revelation for me. Flying in the Piper was what I had always imagined flying to be - seat of the pants, and just wonderful. I just wish that everyone who flies or who wants to fly could have that experience. I think your videos are great. It's a pity that you can't do a video on the TSR2, given the dearth of information.
@antiussentiment
@antiussentiment 3 года назад
Thank you so much for dropping in some metric conversions for those outside the USA. It really helps the rest of us get a perspective on things.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
I'm trying to include both systems. A huge portion of my audience is outside of the USA.
@antiussentiment
@antiussentiment 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Thank you so much. Power to you man.
@brucesmith4436
@brucesmith4436 3 года назад
Greg, great video about a plane I wish I had more knowledge of. However, my father, who worked at Hamilton Standard after the war did say that the German propellers were great. The VS111 used on the TA-152 seemed to be a high point. The VDM 9-12159 and 12199 were good as well. The 159 was used on the Me-109K and 109-G10. Wish my father was still alive to have him give you the particulars. Merry Christmas. I'll join your PATREON channel soon!
@asiftalpur3758
@asiftalpur3758 3 года назад
I really would love to learn more about German propeller design. My uninformed and uneducated guess has always been that German propellers weren't that great, or that the main focus was on engine performance and other variables that propellers had to be good enough or competitive enough to get the job done. Im not saying they half assed their propeller designs, we're talking about Germans here after all, but it would be incredible to learn anything about this facet of WW2 aviation. The odd 190 C with 4 blade propeller makes me wonder many things I don't have answers for, or even the right questions lol
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
Modern big props are hydraulic with narrow blades, reliable and efficient.
@964cuplove
@964cuplove 9 месяцев назад
Watching this again after 3 years 😂 I just love your very VERY detailed reports on this (or all WW II planes) Sidenote: I now drive a Mini F56 Cooper S (192hp turbocharged) a car that has a pseudo inlet in the front of the engine hood which does literally NOTHING, zero zip cause it’s blocked on the inside !! Pseudo-Ram-Air-drag-enhancer for „styling“ or „visual pleasure“ , soooo not my thing… One could add a hilariously expensive eventuri conversion that opens it up and directs the air into the inlet, but then I wonder how much Ram air actually would help a turbo (not a supercharger) even when I do 200-230 km/h on the German autobahn… if I created a cover that shuts that hole I would probably gain more…
@timcarpenter2441
@timcarpenter2441 3 года назад
Always a pleasure hear someone so knowledgeable, yet very open about what they do not know. Also enjoyed the vignette of your flying career. Wishing you a great Christmas and a very happy, healthy and prosperous new year.
@SearTrip
@SearTrip 3 года назад
Your explanations of aerodynamics and engineering have greatly helped someone like me, with no background in them, to understand these aircraft in a way I never could in decades of reading about their history. Thank you for your work and your style of interpretation.
@Silverhks
@Silverhks 3 года назад
I wish to reinforce this statement. I have always had a fascination with WW2 aircraft but not the education/experience to understand more.
@garycasey5788
@garycasey5788 3 года назад
You're a 757 captain? Excellent! My favorite airliner (as a passenger). Keep 'em flying!
@grahamherbert3612
@grahamherbert3612 Год назад
My Grandfather flew the 190 A-1, he had 5 confirmed kills.
@Biggoy
@Biggoy 5 месяцев назад
The Americans and English chose the wrong side to ally with in WWII
@PaddyPatrone
@PaddyPatrone 3 года назад
Amazing video! Again, learned a lot. Your videos truly stand out from all the other warbird talks that are on youtube. Have a great day Greg!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
Thanks Paddy, I know you already knew about the oil cooler because you show it on your excellent channel.
@williamziebarth9380
@williamziebarth9380 3 года назад
As a Aircraft Automobile and Motorcycle enthusiasts I’m appreciative of your efforts to drill down into the many technical areas you present and the related history. Thanks again and I look forward to future topics.
@SheriffsSimShack
@SheriffsSimShack 3 года назад
10:30 3 is tank armor (Behälter means tank (like fuel tank)) 4 is the ring(shaped) oil tank
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
The Sheriff has spoken, comment pinned. Thanks so much for that clarification!
@Sturminfantrist
@Sturminfantrist 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Thx for this chrismasgift Greg About "not found a single Picture" at 15:58 you find pictures in In Adam Skupiewski`s "Monografie Lotnicze Focke-Wulf Fw-190A/F/G) Part one Page 13, a Fw 190 A-3/U7 and Manfreds Griehls "Flugzeug Profile" Focke Wulf 190 Varianten Nr45 Page 10, big picture frontpart of Fw 190 A-3/U7 (maybe same the plane like in Monogr. Lotnicze) captions "Höhenjäger mit aussenliegenden Ladereinläufen" i think its a testaircraft / testbed my eyes are bad even with glasses and some other small Pictures i found are maybe tropical Filters so i removed the source /edited the post but the A-3/U7 intake is like the one in 15:59 looks like the intake oppening is a bit wider/bigger but the intake didnt have the "ribs" like on Trop filters
@megunded
@megunded 3 года назад
and 1 is radiator armor ......cooler is a " literate " translation ....engineers would call it heat exchanger ..etc. ;-)
@ravenpawcraft
@ravenpawcraft 3 года назад
Oh hi sheriff, didn't expect to see you here
@megunded
@megunded 3 года назад
@Hoa Tattis technically is it right , i am talking about the translation ......i am german and " cooler " is a translation that is a bit " mushy " in my opinion , and here is why 1. most manuals ( not for aircraft only, but in general ) call those things radiators or heat exchangers 2 .cool , cooler , the coolest .....could be a verb 3. if you are not technically fit , and do not know that we are talking about a machine / airplane ...etc and just listen to it , it could also mean that there is another amoured ring .....the hotter one -----the cooler and the hotter ring , because they are the same and the only difference could be the temperature. 4....it was known as the cooler amoured ring you say ......i say it was known as the kühlerpanzer ;-) i allways thinking of how many parts are included in those planes that are totally useless in a civilian sport plane and if you remove all the armour and weapons and would install a modern turboprop ....what a cool sporty , rigid plane it would be......and i dont even have a pilots license
@turkeytrac1
@turkeytrac1 2 года назад
Let the haters hate. Your review of this plane shows good aerodynamic design on a engine style that many pre WW2 engineers/ designers thought was obsolete but from out of left field this comes along. Just wow!! Thank you!!
@marcosney4116
@marcosney4116 3 года назад
Amazing report and explanation. The personal final commentary is one of the most sincere I've heard here in YT. Thank you
@markcassen4139
@markcassen4139 3 года назад
Greg, From what I am hearing about the F-35 is that it is designed to be a stand off long range bomb/missile truck. Never designed to be a knife fighting fighter. Reminds me of when they decided that a fighter did not need a gun. Time will tell.
@StumpyDaPaladin
@StumpyDaPaladin 3 года назад
This is why the F22 is still a thing. SOMEONE needs to a) get close enough to paint targets for the F-35's (because stealth is relative when it comes to distance) and also b) survive within that furball (through manuver) long enough for the inbound ordinance to do its job. (eliminating any enemy numerical advantages) thus saving the 22's comparatively limited (to the 35) payload for dealing with immediate aerial threats to its existence and the occasional bit of anti-radiation work (any close surface based targeting arrays) and then c) cleaning up what is left over
@brockgrace7470
@brockgrace7470 3 года назад
Another great video,FW190's have got to be the toughest looking aircraft from ww2. Already waiting for the next one,Greg,no pressure,of course.
@SvenTviking
@SvenTviking 3 года назад
Typhoon “Hold my beer!!”
@kymvalleygardensdesign5350
@kymvalleygardensdesign5350 Год назад
A very interesting video, you can see that the FW190 employs a lot of small ideas to reduce drag. Experience from having captured FW190s led Hawker to design the Hawker Sea Fury using the Bristol Centaurus engine, this is arguably the fastest piston-engined aircraft of WW2 and was fast enough to shoot down Mig 15s in Korea.
@Nivola1953
@Nivola1953 Год назад
I just have this fascination with the FW 190 A lines and proportions, that makes it one of my favourite WWII planes, that perfect balance is broken with the inline engine+circular radiator od the Dora version, just that little bit and the beauty is gone!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
I agree with that, the A just looks better.
@RC-Heli835
@RC-Heli835 5 месяцев назад
This is really fascinating! I love the Focke Wulf 190. It has an long, elegant , stocky look sitting on the ground with its wid landing gear. And with a good paint scheme it looks absolutely fabulous!
@analogdino1
@analogdino1 3 месяца назад
Agree. About gear... while, as an ex.Brit, I have a great love for the Spifire, I couid never understand why the gear "folded the wrong way" giving a narrow track and less stability... must be something to do with what had to be fitted in the wing. I know, do the research! Off topic, years ago I had the pleasure of flying a tail-dragger sport plane out of Biggin Hill! Great fun... and I really noticed that the runway had a hump in the middle!
@RC-Heli835
@RC-Heli835 3 месяца назад
@analogdino1 Yea the 190 shot 4 gun's strait through the blades. Which made plenty room for a wide landing gear. They put the Spitfires gun's out of the blades and farther out on the wing. Which led to a narrow landing gear. Too narrow to fold inward and probably even more narrow so it could fold outward and stay out of the gun bays.
@Zonker66
@Zonker66 3 года назад
Honesty and integrity are things of the past. I'm not up to grasping all the information but was impressed by the way you were completely transparent about your experiences and lack of experiences. It's not easy to respect words these days as the people are often scared and insecure about who they are and what they feel they're worth. You have a past worth being prpud of, certainly more than I've ever accomplished.
@Not_So_Weird_in_Austin
@Not_So_Weird_in_Austin Год назад
Great presentation on how design and engineering affects desired outcomes
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 года назад
Nice video! I am surprised by that induced drag comparison being nearly equal between the Spitfire and the Fw190. Everything except aspect ratio favors the Spitfire in terms of induced drag, which is mostly a function of weight (lift). The higher aspect ratio of the Fw190 is probably roughly compensated for the better Oswald coefficient of the Spitfire, and then we're left with the Fw190 having significantly more weight than the Spitfire, and induced drag is proportional to weight^2. Lower wing area (higher wing loading) is an effective way of increasing the top speed of an aircraft indeed.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
Hi Adam, I really think it's because I used a max L/D speed for the 190 that's too low, and it's possible the Spit 9 manual best range speed is too high. I wasn't too worried about it because this video is only focused on drag at high speeds. If I move the 190's up to 185 and the Spit 9 down to 160 that would have a big effect. I'll get more data soon and update the charts when we look at maneuverability.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles It's tough when they don't give the best glide speed or max L/D speed. Max range speed is likely slower than max L/D speed since the engine is a non-negligible factor in that speed. Piston engine aircraft especially will have a lower max range speed than max L/D speed since they want to fly close to the minimum power speed (assuming constant SFC), which is slower than the minimum drag speed (max L/D speed).
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
AFNA specifically states that max L/D occurs at "maximum range for propeller driven airplanes". I think the issue is that the Spit 9 manual uses a higher speed for some practical reason like engine cooling, flying into a headwind on the return trip hope (planes returning to England from Europe would often have a headwind), or something else. In other words, I suspect the actual max L/D speed is lower than that 170 number they give.
@AdamTheEnginerd
@AdamTheEnginerd 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles That's a decent approximation I agree. And yeah I have the impression that the speeds in the manual (climb, glide, max range, etc) are at the very least approximations, and at worst they are, as you say, due to other practical reasons which we don't always know, making backtracking from the manual more error-prone.
@ricardobufo
@ricardobufo Месяц назад
Greg, I think most people don't realise that at high speed, wing area is a BIG component of total drag; often bigger than the improvements due to cleaner fuselage from less bits sticking out. If you do the detailed drag maths, you will find the bigger Spit wing is the main (though not only) culprit for its greater drag compared to the FW190
@PaulScott_
@PaulScott_ 3 года назад
I worked with a pilot who was also an aeronautical engineer who walked me through the calculations regarding radial vs inline horsepower and drag etc. It was very eye opening since most people "assume", as I did, that the more aerodynamic looking inline would be faster but there is much more to it. Then you have to consider ease of manufacturing, number of parts and the supply chain before you can get a clear picture of engine choice.
@joxyjoxyjoxy1
@joxyjoxyjoxy1 Год назад
Look at how fast the F-4U could go with that big P&W 2800 radial.
@jroch41
@jroch41 3 года назад
Love these tech videos, thanks. Means alot to me since my uncle flew a P-47 with 9th Air Force in the war.
@farmerbobross
@farmerbobross 3 года назад
J-3 Cub owner and former Stearman owner here. You are right about the performance of a 220 horse stock airplane. I like my Cessna 180 much better. Always great stuff on your channel!
@NikeaTiber
@NikeaTiber 3 года назад
I love your videos man. Been a fan of WW2 warbirds for over 30 years now, I've collected an extensive library on the subject, and your videos absolutely *never* fail to disappoint. I appreciate (and praise) your dedication to the subject. You would be a *fantastic* flight museum docent if you aren't already.
@carltyson4393
@carltyson4393 3 года назад
Greg, i have watched this video at least five times and learned something every time. Such great content. I can only imagine how much work it takes to produce such amazing content. Thanks for doing the work! The video with David Lednicer is really interesting. Thanks for that tip. Keep up the great work.
@rayschoch5882
@rayschoch5882 3 года назад
Well done, Greg - again - as usual. Excellent explanations of technical stuff for those of us who are literate, but don't speak "engineer" or "aeronautical engineer." Look forward to the next one. I'd love to see one in the future on prop design - many of the 190s (and some 109s, as well) I've seen in photos have a big paddle-bladed prop, and I've even seen a few Mustang photos with a 4-paddle prop, but the contemporary U.S. Navy planes never seem to have used them, at least not until we get to the F8F. Anyway, "prop efficiency" and the importance of "supersonic blade tip" are mystery terms to me. And of course, I'm waiting, patiently I hope, for you to do a video on the F6F, since that's what my dad few in combat in 1944.
@BigMack392
@BigMack392 Год назад
Very well done video and commentary. I am always amazed at the ability of WWII era engineers to design such aircraft (whether British, American, German, Russian or Italian) without the present day design tools such as computers and 3D modeling. Slide rules, drafting boards and a lot of test flights, that's it. Extremely impressive. Thanks for these videos.
@80Loke
@80Loke 3 года назад
This channel is pure quality.
@dge4560
@dge4560 3 года назад
Your releases are so informative and educational. Favourite channel on aviation👍🏼 I made a report about the 190 ten years ago, during my education as a aircraft mechanic. It was mainly discussing structural integrity of airframe, whether it was fail-safe og safe-life design. And ever since then, ive been in love with this airplane. Simply a beauty and a beast. Like Gina Carano of the skies.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
Well all like Gina Carano.
@andersandersson5815
@andersandersson5815 3 года назад
Man, regarding your feedback to the your F35 request I must say I really like your truthful and respectful answer to your subscribers. That indicates your serious approach to us and the subjects you presents. My full respect sir to your honesty.
@BikingVikingHH
@BikingVikingHH 3 года назад
For some reason growing up I never liked the 190, now it’s one of my favorite planes for some reason over the past year or two.
@susanmaggiora4800
@susanmaggiora4800 3 года назад
𝕮𝖚𝖈𝕶 𝕮𝖗𝖚𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖗 Isn’t it funny how those things happen? I used to not like the P-47s & now they’re some of my favorite planes.
@Wallyworld30
@Wallyworld30 3 года назад
@@susanmaggiora4800 when I was a Kid the Mustang was by far my favorite WW2 warbird. My local airstrip had a gentleman that owned one and he took it out once a month and my entire neighborhood to get excited about. Now as a 40+ year old man the P-47 is easily my favorite WW2 plane. Greg’s video’s have only strengthened my opinion of it. Both of course are Incredible planes.
@simoneales2568
@simoneales2568 3 года назад
I agree..it grew on me as well ..the 190 is a bad ass fighter Also the Hawker Sea fury has become my favorite now..grew on me.
@rolanddunk5054
@rolanddunk5054 Год назад
Hi Gregg,the FW 90-A has got to be one of the neatest and rugged ww2 aircraft,a brilliant design becoming a Jack of all trades when adapted in the field,it is also one my favourite aircraft of that period.Thank you so much for putting in the research time and effort to produce these videos .cheers Roly🇬🇧.
@rentacowisgoogle
@rentacowisgoogle 3 года назад
Really great historical facts! Even guys who drag race today, and depend on a powerful turbo charger could learn a thing or two from this.
@hb9145
@hb9145 3 года назад
I saw the werk nr. 2219 - Fw-190 A-3/U3 at the Norwegian Aviation Museum in Bodø this summer. It was restored and such a beauty.
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 3 года назад
You're exactly right about the "Ram Air" induction on cars, the fact is their real benefit is from being a cool air inlet more than actually having a true ram air effect, that was basically nothing more than marketing.
@SidneyCritic
@SidneyCritic 3 года назад
Cool air is true for production cars, but in race they also use the pressure. As an example, in Pro Stock motorcycles they seal air the box so they can build air pressure, and at 200mph they get about 2psi.
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 3 года назад
@@SidneyCritic Anybody that has been educated in normally aspirated engines and has any practical experience with them and carburetors knows that applying positive pressure to the inlet of a carburetor on a normally aspirated engine screws up the jetting. Look at any fake scoop for a carburetor on a normally aspirated engine, like a Kuryakyn Hypercharger for motorcycle engines, you'll see that they're rigged up so at throttle the butterflies are closed and there's a hidden slot at the bottom rear of the unit that it draws air through, the butterflies have to be closed so you don't get any positive pressure from foreward motion because it'll screw everything up, the butterflies actually work the opposite as real scoops on a supercharged engine, they're open at an idle and closed at any throttle opening above an idle via a vacuum pull off. Look at pictures of the old normally aspirated Indy cars and F1 cars, you'll notice that they have velocity stacks instead of foreward facing scoops for this very reason, anything that would face in a foreward direction would not be in clean air that could cause any type of positive pressure to the carburetor. Putting 2lbs of pressure to a carburetor on a normally aspirated engine would reverse the fuel flow through the jets and blow bubbles into the fuel bowls. I don't know where you got that BS story from but that's exactly what it is, BS.
@SidneyCritic
@SidneyCritic 3 года назад
@@dukecraig2402 Just put some thought into it, and you'll work it out - lol -. Hint: Ever heard of a blow-through turbo carb setup. The air box is attached to the float bowl by a vent, so it's under the same pressure. You can also put the carbs in the pressurised air box. As for fuel pressure, there is a way bigger fuel line inertia slosh backward problem in a drag car at launch than the measly 2psi, That's why comp pumps run at high pressure and they reg it at the carb. If you look at a HD the carb is behind the forks, so having a forward scoop doesn't work because there is a air bow-wave at the front of the bike. Pro-stock bikes and cars have scoops at the front in clean air, so can utilise actual air pressure. You do realise you just watched a 30min vid showing pressurised ram air working - lol .
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 3 года назад
@@SidneyCritic First off Pro Stock hasn't run carbs in some years now, since 2015 or so they've run a mandatory EFI system, and back when they did run carbs you weren't allowed to modify them as how you're suggesting, the rules clearly state that they must be "as manufactured", they couldn't be modified like that, only tuned. And look at the new mandatory inlet system's for the EFI, you're not allowed to modify them either, like the carbs they have to be "as manufactured", and the inlet size is so small that some people are suggesting that it's hobbling the cars, they certainly aren't big enough to cause positive pressure. And I know exactly how the different systems work, aside from going to aircraft maintenance school I've been building performance Harley engines for over 30 years for a living including turbo and supercharged engines, and helping friends with the same systems on cars, unlike you who's guessing at this. And you're VERY wrong about your thesis concerning the air flow down the side of a bike like that, that's exactly why those stupid Kuryakyn Hyperchargers have butterflies that snap shut the moment you come off an idle, go down the road on a non fairing Harley and hold your hand just in front of the air cleaner and then try to tell me that a foreward facing scoop won't pick up air, hence the side mounted scoops that they used to sell that bolted to the engines to cool the rear cylinders on the older one's. Yea blow through carbs are set up for forced induction, but the cars that marketed the "ram air" hoods ran regular production carbs, the ram air name was only for people who don't know any better, or think they know what they're talking about but don't. Hint: You do realize that in this 30 minute video he didn't cover anything about normally aspirated engines and carbs don't you? As a matter of fact he mentioned something about them being "a different story" and left it at that, even then he didn't go into the complexities of the fuel systems on those supercharged aircraft engines, they were very complicated system's that work off of pressure both before and after the supercharger with fuel systems that have multiple stages to them, unlike a normally aspirated engine's carburator that has 1 stage, that being the ambient air pressure pushing down on the fuel in the bowl and pushing it through the fuel circuits, or even a blow through carb on a supercharged street gasoline engine which is still just one stage. You can't force air into a naturally aspirated carbureted engine like that, it won't work, already been there and done that proving it to the owner of a bike with a foreward facing air cleaner by removing the air cleaner sock and having him ride it at top speed, or at least he attempted to get it to top speed but he quickly found out that as soon as he built up enough speed to cause an imbalance in the carburetor it hit a wall it wouldn't pass through.
@SidneyCritic
@SidneyCritic 3 года назад
@@dukecraig2402 It doesn't seam you have worked on a Dominator, because the float vent tubes are right next to the barrels within the sealing ring. Most carbs are the same, just Google it. You brought up carbs back blowing jets not me. I work on Nitro fuelers, Nitro Harley, S/C meth rails, bikes, nitros, turbo, drag, circuit, etc, professionally for 30 years, so my knowledge isn't limited by only 1 engine. It sound like you are blaming booster buffeting as an summation that a sealed air box can't build pressure. You need to research pitot tube and stick it out your car window when you are driving, and that will give you the pressure due to speed. How come you don't feel the air pressure increasing with speed when you are on your bike, and what makes you think you can't harness it. Watch the vid again, because he says ram air is 1.6psi at 300mph at the inlet to the S/C multiplied by the S/C 1.5 pressure ratio adding 2.5psi to the boost pressure.12:04 Are you are calling Willy Messerschmitt a liar - lol -.
@machia0705
@machia0705 3 года назад
It may be interesting to compare this to the Curtiss XP-42. Curtiss engineers failed at producing an appreciable speed increase by trying to streamline the frontal radial area with many tight cowling configurations with external ram air for the radial engine. Curtiss felt that they could design away the inherent drag of the frontal area of the radial engine. Curtiss never incorporated a fan in 1939, thus insurmountable cooling problems persisted, and even when the airplane could be flown, it’s top speed was only 315 mph. And before any of these modifications were made by various engineers, the first man to think about and help design cowlings to reduce radial engine frontal area drag was Howard Hughes with his 1935 Racer, which smashed all speed records, notably his 1937 dash from Burbank to Newark in 7 hours and 28 minutes. Superb presentation and analysis.
@seafreedom334
@seafreedom334 3 года назад
I really appreciate these videos. I love the "engineer" viewpoint (yes...I'm an engineer!) which so complements and illuminates the historian's view of things. But also, I really enjoy the delivery style. Open, natural and extremely well structured. Thank you.
@fockewulfaircraft454
@fockewulfaircraft454 Год назад
An excellent video! Many thanks for putting this together.
@jakeb6703
@jakeb6703 3 года назад
You monster this is scheduled to release directly on top of my fluid dynamics final, and I would have learned more from this!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
The video will be here after your final. Good luck on your exam.
@andytaylor1588
@andytaylor1588 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles But how in the world he be able to focus?
@jakeb6703
@jakeb6703 3 года назад
@@andytaylor1588 I just pictured a 190 creating the turbulence, it went well. Thanks Gregg!
@ohwell2790
@ohwell2790 3 года назад
jake b : The video is only 32 minutes and can be watched at any time. Maybe sarcasm, maybe not.
@vicbauwens
@vicbauwens 3 года назад
Factual and rich in information, no frills but very entertaining.
@jumo004
@jumo004 3 года назад
Greg, I'm happy that I waited for this video. I went out and had dinner and drinks and came home for this masterpiece. My favorite WWII fighter plane and my favorite RU-vid channel.
@pierQRzt180
@pierQRzt180 Год назад
I really love your way of present things, really nice, and the voice. The voice is golden, you could make audiobooks or podcasts without ends!
@princeofcupspoc9073
@princeofcupspoc9073 3 года назад
So, who's going to the first to say "I was on flight so and so, and the pilot came over the speaker, and said 'Greetings, this is Greg, your pilot for this flight.'"
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
In all seriousness, I realized a few years ago that pilot announcements are more of an interruption than anything else, so I don't make them very often. It drives me crazy when I'm a passenger on a long trip trying to watch a video and the PA goes off every 10 mins.
@AcrodesignerLNSNI
@AcrodesignerLNSNI 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles And why the h*** do every pilot need to tell me that it is minus 50 degrees Celsius at cruising level ?
@2nolhta
@2nolhta 3 года назад
So no one tries to open something because they are hot :)
@EternallyThankful-os6pz
@EternallyThankful-os6pz 2 года назад
Just found you / your channel...you did a spectacular job covering this plane and its design features !! As a WW2 aircraft and tank aficionado , I love any person who can understand we love these individual craft SOLELY for their design features , beauty and function...NOT the purposes or beliefs of those who commanded them !! It's such a joy and a relief to share this history with those mature and intelligent enough to realize this is our perspective...thank you for all the research and hard work you do to make these vids possible for us to enjoy.
@skyflier8955
@skyflier8955 3 года назад
These are so incredibly well made, with such good information in them.
@Glove513
@Glove513 3 года назад
I always wondered why those bumps were on the FW 190 cowling. Thanks for the education Greg.
@skeeterhoney
@skeeterhoney 3 года назад
I'm with the 2nd group regarding the F-35. Worked with some F-35B guys a few years ago who had transitioned from Harriers or F-18s and they were categorically pro-Thunderbolt II for the reasons you mention (or don't mention).
@SpaceGhost1701
@SpaceGhost1701 3 года назад
They'd quickly become pro-F-35 in any war against a peer, or near-peer adversary. The A-10 is just not survivable on a modern battleground. It even struggled during the first Gulf War.
@spindash64
@spindash64 3 года назад
@@SpaceGhost1701 It wasn’t really meant to last full enemy air power. It was meant to SURVIVE enemy air power, then the pilot could jump to a new plane back at base Maybe the A-10 itself is outdated, but that doesn’t mean that an airborne tank is.
@andersandersson5815
@andersandersson5815 3 года назад
You are doing a fantastic work to preserve much of the knowledge which otherwise would have been lost. In the civil life I'm a engineer and I have been working a couple of years in the civil aircraft industry. The fact you discuss with us are very interesting. Thank you!
@chunkblaster
@chunkblaster 3 года назад
Stay for the F-35 Post-credit scene, you wont want to miss it Greg I would love to see you do some Vietnam war era stuff (sorry if you already have and I haven't noticed) Personally I'm a big fan of the F-105 Thunderchief
@badgerapocalyps2546
@badgerapocalyps2546 Год назад
Damn your videos are so well put together and jammed full of hard to find information. You produce the best aircraft videos.
@khaccanhle1930
@khaccanhle1930 3 года назад
Favorite fighters: 1. Corsair 2. FW190 Radials for the win.
@robmarsh6668
@robmarsh6668 3 года назад
Your list is pretty sweet for looks too
@ralpjosephjavelosa7451
@ralpjosephjavelosa7451 3 года назад
Hellcat?
@charlesmitz5239
@charlesmitz5239 3 года назад
Sea fury
@Glove513
@Glove513 3 года назад
Grumman Bearcat
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
Me 210, it helped win WW2.
@darrylb5247
@darrylb5247 2 года назад
The "Free" RAM-AIR "boost" to increase intake manifold pressure and the armor-protected Oil Cooler are clever design aspects and help make the FW-190 "cleaner" and less drag and pretty slick! Other things like MW-50 for Emergency "Dog-Fight" Power is pretty cool too!
@rickmurray7123
@rickmurray7123 3 года назад
Your discussion of the need for pressurized cockpits caught my attention. Having been a Navy (A7) pilot in the late '60s, I was exposed to all the training around pilots' oxygen needs. In our advanced jet trainer, the old Cougar F9 and TF9, we had a diluter-demand regulator and high pressure gaseous oxygen. As its name suggests, it supplied oxygen as required to your mask as altitude increased (the cockpit was pressurized). In the A7 (also pressurized of course) we had a liquid oxygen system which supplied undiluted pure O2 all the time. I believe that was common among that era of military combat planes. It is my recollection, which at this date is not too accurate, that there is a certain maximum altitude at which one can function, unpressurized breathing 100% O2, of around 33,000 feet. I have always been puzzled at how fighter pilots and bomber crews in unpressurized aircraft were able to operate at altitudes above that.
@pnzrldr
@pnzrldr Год назад
Liked the dialogue on the Cub and Stearman. I just completed my taildragger endorsement in a 1941 J5 Cub, and really enjoyed it. Unlike you, I am also having an absolute blast in the Stearman, and don't have any significant performance regrets, however, the one I am flying has a 275hp engine, so maybe the extra 50 hp is a big differentiator. Seems to fly almost exactly where I intuitively 'think' it should go. It is completely different than the Cub, has much more inertia, and landings dealing with the sight picture and height/function of landing gear (springs vs. oleos) makes for a new challenge. But I am loving it nonetheless, and look forward to moving into some light acro in my next set of instruction.
@BurtSampson
@BurtSampson 3 года назад
That's pretty cool about how the exashut adds around 100lbs of thrust. I never knew that about prop aircraft.
@RadMax8
@RadMax8 3 года назад
Exhaust thrust is a concept that isn’t lost on the motor sports community. Some recent cases include Formula 1 cars using exhaust gas to increase rear downforce with minimal drag penalty, which allowed a privateer team to win the world championship. Also, top fuel funny cars in the NHRA figured out if you lay the exhaust back on the cars, you get a “free” boost. Problem is you also lose a lot of downforce that the exhaust thrust provided, so the cars get a bit squirrelly to drive. Wonder how much thrust you get out of an engine producing 11,000-12,000 horsepower...
@FeintMotion
@FeintMotion 3 года назад
@@RadMax8 Exhaust exploitation goes all the way back to the 1980's. Brawn's 2009 effort was just what fit in the grey area left open in the new regs for that season.
@ryanjonathanmartin3933
@ryanjonathanmartin3933 3 года назад
Meredith effect?
@FeintMotion
@FeintMotion 3 года назад
@@ryanjonathanmartin3933 That's for cooling systems. This is about just raw exhaust gasses from the engine itself
@ryanjonathanmartin3933
@ryanjonathanmartin3933 3 года назад
@@FeintMotion oh I see
@nicoladisvevia
@nicoladisvevia Год назад
Drawing at 10:17 3 Behaelterpanzer, better translation: container armour 4 Ringoelbehaelter, better translation: ring oil container Incredibly detailed video!
@EnvyCT9A
@EnvyCT9A 3 года назад
If anyone actually wants to learn more about F35, highly recommend the fighter pilot podcasts episode on the plane. Really informative and I think it really hit home just how far ahead it is when the pilot said they don't need an AWACS anymore because their onboard sensors give them more information than legacy methods. It's a beast of a plane and it's just going to get better.
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
Imagine the in NATO friendly fire if they ever have an unrestricted fight. Think RAF Tornado vs U.S. Patriot battery. The eyeball might always be needed.
@spindash64
@spindash64 3 года назад
So basically, it’s a bit less of a fighter and more of a “single seat AWACS with missiles”
@EnvyCT9A
@EnvyCT9A 3 года назад
@@spindash64 I guess you could simplify it that way but I'd say it would be misleading. AWACS functionally serves to give direction and information to 4th gen fighters. Without that they lose a vast chunk of their SA and are reliant on their own sensors. Still networked, but without the eye in the sky that gives them the broad picture. F35 has so many sensors that it can functionally obtain the same amount of info and NOT be reliant on other platforms to maintain SA. If you look through aviation history SA is the key factor in the success of an air force. Chain Home allowed the RAF to fend off the Luftwaffe for example, the introduction of the Teaball radar in Vietnam as another. Whoever has the most information on the battlefield wins the day. F35 is designed to fight near peer threats, which means potentially losing that AWACS support through either EW or direct fire. There is nothing else on the planet that can do so, even the F22 is still tied to AWACS at the end of the day and is even less useful as it can't send data over L16, just receive. That and the fact it's LO tech is cutting edge, you can put them further in front of the front line and not only that you'll have a flight of them also giving info to other jets in the area that AWACS may miss.
@martij30
@martij30 3 года назад
A note on the last portion of the video (about the F-35): The F-35 is not designed to be a full-on air-superiority fighter, unlike it's predecessors. It's designed to integrate and make use of all different kinds of weapon systems to their full potential. Modern war isn't about "fighter X versus fighter Y", it's about the speed of information transmission across different branches and with different weapon systems. No it's not a stealth fighter, but it has stealth elements to get that small step ahead it needs. It then gathers all possible information necessary about enemy X and this is shared with all other weapon systems. A flight of multiple F-35's will distribute the workload of information gathering, share crucial information among each other and then send it to whichever weapon system or branch of military needs this information. Information sharing is crucial in this age and for the coming years of warfare. It's like they say: information is key.
@dizzyonaball4623
@dizzyonaball4623 3 года назад
An analogy might be that early WW2 panzers were not at all superior to French tanks, but the Germans had radio comms and could coordinate their movements and target acquisition whereas French tank crews were on their own.
@martij30
@martij30 3 года назад
@@dizzyonaball4623 Great comparison! It's the same story with the early model of the Soviet T-34: superior in armour, mobility and firepower, yet they lacked the optics and view ports for target acquisition and like the French, radio's for communication.
@dizzyonaball4623
@dizzyonaball4623 3 года назад
@@martij30 I'm a fan of the T-34, but I fortunately didn't have to be its commander. I saw one (76mm) in the flesh and couldn't believe the turret conditions, plus the additional gunnery tasks the commander had.
@sidekickbob7227
@sidekickbob7227 3 года назад
Greg, thank you for this upload. You're a excellent researcher and teacher! I especially like the way you always deliver the therms and information you use for backing up your conclusions.
@dr.downstream1151
@dr.downstream1151 2 года назад
Love your videos. You don't dumb things down to a 3rd grade level, it's great content.
@AsphaltCowboyUSA
@AsphaltCowboyUSA 3 года назад
One of my favorite channels ;)
@MaxPalmer-1
@MaxPalmer-1 2 месяца назад
Greg, it's another fascinating video. I don't want to overrun you with long comments, but I cannot help but respond to your brief end comments on the F-35. I hope you will do a video on it as it is a very interesting and important subject. Pierre Sprey said the main mission of the plane is to generate profit and that it would be unlikely to prove to be a great fighting machine. The guy was a genius and the ultimate straight shooter, but his preference for austere fighters first formed in the 1960's that was no doubt true then could become less valid in the face of advancing sensors and electronics. They are usually over-hyped in the beginning for military applications, but due to Moore's Law they eventually get there with higher performance and lower cost, as I have continually witnessed and been involved in during my 40 year career as an electrical engineer. Though a heavy fighter (it's a little heavier than the F-15), the F-35 has the cost and maintenance virtues of being single engine without unnecessary thrust vectoring, and the program has been designed to take maximum advantage of economies of scale. If they can really hold its cost in the $80 mil range, then they have done a great job with that. Its stealth is designed to support the element of surprise (at least at BVR ranges), and its situational awareness to get inside the opponent's OODA loop supports surprise also. In the past whiz bang radar missile fighters like the F-4 and F-14 in their day proved disappointing, partly because of standard heavy fighter failings and partly because the radar missiles had such low Pk in their early years. But, those radar guided missiles have gotten a lot more reliable in the last few decades. Modern AESA radar lets those missiles be used without giving away surprise, so they have become quite practical. So, the F-35 as a relatively efficient heavy fighter has some good things going for it. But it may be that its very long and behind schedule development and fielding lead it to missing the window where it could have been a solution that might possibly have outperformed larger numbers of lower cost modern light fighters like the Gripen. Even if it was fielded earlier, it is not a given the F-35 could outperform the Gripen (or a similar U.S. fighter) per budget, as a Gripen-like fighter could be $50mil in volume production with economy of scale, it has about one quarter the operating cost of the F-35, and apparently it can really fight. As to the networked warfare argument, the Gripen is no slouch on electronics, radar and practical stealth itself--it has sophisticated electronic warfare abilities, data linking to act as its own AWACS, AESA radar, and only has a radar cross section of about 1.5m^2 compared to 20m^2 for the F-15. The Gripen to my knowledge has about a 20-1 victory score over the F-15, F-16, and F-18 in various trials such as Red Flag. This was apparently achieved with the combination of its light fighter virtues (an even better rendition than the F-16), strong electronic networking and situational awareness, which is reportedly at least in the ball park of competitive to the F-35, and outstanding pilots. The Gripen is also far superior in an austere war environment, like the Fw-190 was designed to be. It can disperse to roads wherever 800 meters of straight road exists to serve as a runway, making it much harder to find and kill on the ground. It can maintain a high sortie rate with a ground crew of 5, of which most can be briefly trained conscripts, compared to over twice that needed for the also efficient F-16. So, it makes a great example of spreading the available budget over a larger number of smaller planes designed for low cost as the best strategy to win, as history has generally confirmed. But, whether an efficient heavy or even more efficient light fighter wins out with manned fighters in a BVR networked era, it may be a moot argument. The time is coming fast where drone fighters will outperform any human flown fighter, and for much less cost (likely 50% to 70% the procurement cost per plane, perhaps 10% the operating cost, and no need to train pilots for 4-5 years until they are really ready to fight well). Over the history of air combat, less than 10% of pilots have scored 60% to 80% of the kills. With AI drones, every single drone will have that kind of ace grade "pilot"--even better as each AI pilot will be more aware and able to make decisions in less than 1% of the human "orient and decide" time in the OODA loop. It will make mathematical and statistical decisions in milliseconds on how to best deploy its weapons for maximum effect, and it will very seldom make a mistake. By itself, that increases the combat effectiveness of an Air Force by more than a factor of 10 (maybe a lot more). And, that drone does not have to fly 300 hour a year for its pilot to maintain skill, so the airframe lasts longer (it will become obsolete before it wears out) and maintenance and fuel costs are very low. You just store the thing with periodic software updates and occasional test/maintenance, and maybe one or two modular electronics upgrades over its life, until it's rolled out for action like a super-computing flying version of the Terminator. It will be the end of a great era in aviation. But, in war reality must be faced and a nation has to make the best use of its resources to survive and win. That is the foundation of the light fighter concept, and of drone fighters as well.
@trimbalemrbale575
@trimbalemrbale575 3 года назад
make a video about airplane start ups. mainly the startup method (hand crank flywheel with a clutch, electric starter, etc) time it would take to get a an airplane started from stone cold (with full tanks internal and external) to up in the air. might as well throw in how a cold engine performs.
@paulslevinsky580
@paulslevinsky580 3 года назад
Those inertia starters are cool
@NikeaTiber
@NikeaTiber 3 года назад
10 gauge shotgun blank is my favorite starting method.
@paulslevinsky580
@paulslevinsky580 3 года назад
@@NikeaTiber hand-propping a corn-cob engine. That's impressive.
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
Look at the RU-vid video of a guy ‘hand starting’ a 737.
@Mishn0
@Mishn0 3 года назад
I recently watched a video by an F-35 pilot about the critics. He said that one issue, when they say how an F-16 can beat an F-35 is that they're comparing an airframe that's been iterated in design for almost 50 years with some pilots having thousands of flight hours in it against a new airframe still undergoing development flown by pilots who haven't quite figured out all it can do. Anyway, the F-35's greatest strength is its avionics and sensors. Fighting it old-school in traditional scenarios doesn't show that. When it shoots you in the back before you even know it's in the same time zone, will. And, the Wurger is about the best looking aircraft of WWII. The Germans did know how to make good looking gear.
@TumzDK
@TumzDK 3 года назад
4:37 that is the only Spitfire in Denmark. RAFs/n MA298. She is on static display at the Danish Vintage Aircraft Museum in Stauning(EKVJ) just 40km north of where I live
@chris_hisss
@chris_hisss 3 месяца назад
This is a beautiful story and told so well. I can relisten to this and relisten to it. Big fan of the 190, and that makes it more appealing. Thanks Greg.
@johnvaleanbaily4859
@johnvaleanbaily4859 3 года назад
Always good to watch and listen to you explain and expound on various types of a/c. Thanks.
@keithmartland6463
@keithmartland6463 2 года назад
When you think back to around 1900 and just starting to take to the air, 40 years later 2.000hp to 3.000hp engines with Superchargers just amazing!
@richardschwarz7071
@richardschwarz7071 2 года назад
And think 25 years after this the SR-71 mach 3+
@farkinarkin5099
@farkinarkin5099 3 года назад
I guess bumps adds a lot to drag. Tank and team were going for "as smooth as possible" and got some excellent results. I don't know why there are thumbs down for this video. Like all you video's it is very fact based and really explores the engineering of these aircraft. Your insights are great. The 172 performs better than the old Stearman? I now have a new respect for the Cessna. No wonder there are about 1 billion of them around. :-)
@stephaniewilson3955
@stephaniewilson3955 3 года назад
You said it. This is based on facts and research and some people hate that others are prepared to put in that much work 'to prove them wrong'. As if Greg cares that they exist!
@davidwoolsey2300
@davidwoolsey2300 2 года назад
Just a really good listen! Your assesments of all things aviation are appreciated and enjoyed.
@paulkirby2761
@paulkirby2761 3 года назад
190 was a beauty. Had many advantages and overall improvements over the 109, just not high altitude performance because of the radial.
@robertervin8840
@robertervin8840 3 года назад
your content & commentary are spot on. i applaud your efforts and enjoy every single thing you post, thanks & merry christmaa! Im an army vet & your disclosure\honesty was much appreciated, you are a stand up fella
@billysolhurok5542
@billysolhurok5542 3 года назад
Really enjoying the FW190 videos. Hoping in your BMW801 discussion,you talk about fuel quality, and perhaps speculate on that engines potential if 100/130 fuel had been available.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
I plan to do exactly that, the 190 engine video is going to be long because there is just so much to cover.
@garyseeseverything8615
@garyseeseverything8615 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles thanks you Greg you are so important to us! Look forward to that video on fuels
@roberts9095
@roberts9095 2 месяца назад
On the topic of the F-35, from what I understand as a civvie relying on publicly available information, The F-35's advantage lies primarily in the fact that it affords its pilots an unprecedented level of SA while simultaneously denying SA to its adversaries by merit of being low observable. Its ability to disseminate a much more comprehensive and clear picture of a field of battle to friendly assets is what makes it a "force multiplier". TLDR: It's a flying supercomputer in a stealthy package. I used to be skeptical of it, but learning more about its capabilities and hearing pilot testimony, I am confident that it the most capable tactical aircraft in service in the world today. I should mention I fall into the younger category. I am 22
@LukeWalstead
@LukeWalstead 2 года назад
I love your work! I only wish I could have watched these videos in my early teens (15 years ago), I wanted so badly to have such good information in such a digestible format. Keep it up!
@smellyfella5077
@smellyfella5077 3 года назад
You flew a actual "Candy Bomber" that was used during the Berlin Airlift.....very cool
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
Yes, I did. It was cool, looking back on it, one of the coolest flights I ever did.
@jakubkubicki3969
@jakubkubicki3969 3 года назад
I would love to hear something more about Kommandogerat than it can be found on the web in the next episode. It was a feature on BMW 801 engines that simply did most of the job of today's FADEC systems, as early as during WWII!!!
@stefanb5189
@stefanb5189 3 года назад
NACA has a detailed test and construction paper were you can get almost all Information you'll ever want. Technical drawings, pressures, Timings etc. in about 30 pages. Great read, give it a shot
@jakubkubicki3969
@jakubkubicki3969 3 года назад
@@stefanb5189 Thanks a lot. Is it avb on-line?
@stefanb5189
@stefanb5189 3 года назад
@@jakubkubicki3969 jep it is www.abbottaerospace.com/wpdm-package/naca-wr-e-192-characteristics-of-the-bmw-d-automatic-engine-control-as-determined-from-bench-tests/ it even has informations about tolerances of the throttle lever. have fun!
@athiftsabit1208
@athiftsabit1208 2 года назад
Damn, i miss great quality well researched videos like this in youtube! Thanks sir 🍻
@JohnBrowningsGhost
@JohnBrowningsGhost 3 года назад
One of my favorite airplanes, I especially love its unique electrical set up being an electrician by profession.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
I'll probably cover the electrical system at some point. I have all the diagrams for it.
@JohnBrowningsGhost
@JohnBrowningsGhost 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I can’t wait! Thanks for the content Greg, this technical stuff is too cool.
@BadByte
@BadByte 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Please do, love this stuff.
@38dragoon38
@38dragoon38 3 года назад
Brilliant presentation Greg! It's so refreshing to hear someone go into such detail!
@kameni9156
@kameni9156 3 года назад
Great video Greg, I can't wait to see more episodes on the 190!
@jonoedwards4195
@jonoedwards4195 3 года назад
Der Butcher Bird is the best looking WW11 plane. I love Em all but this has something extra? Great study Greg, the internal an dynamic Ram Air is just so Kraut.Awesomeness.
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