Why wasn't Glorfindel in the fellowship? 

Do you happen to have a link to one?

it's better to have a Glorfindel and not need him, than need one and not have him.

​@@lliamreusser4534yes please 😅

Lets be real, having a high level NPC in your party just takes away all the xp you could get :p @@exploreseafaring

lmaoooo, love that

Right!? Lmao, also, Gandalf, Glorfindel, Elrond and Aragorn alone would present a pretty damn powerful combo to stop, considering the ringwraiths want nothing to do with Glorfindel on his own, and Gandalf 1 v 5 'ed them at weathertop. Those 4 alone (not saying there wouldn't be others) would be a hell of a force to reckon with.

And thus Fingolfin died.

@@user-ci4gh7td7n The Wraiths are not Sauron only servants, just his most "thrustworthy" ones. Fighting the Nazguls far away from their master is one thing. Attacking them in the seat of power of Sauron would be another deal entirely.

This is the main problem when authors/directors etc make a character too powerful; it either takes all the suspense out of the story, or it requires an arms race escalation of power to ad absurdum. The latter is what makes the whole Marvel universe so stupid; once you create a character or Macguffin along the lines of the Infinity Gauntlet, stupid writing and Deus Ex Machina becomes required to resolve the story. Tolkein saw that problem and deftly avoided it by just not having Superman-Elf along for the quest.

@@bobf5360 But there is no superman elf. Neither Glorfindel or Fingolfin would have been able to storm Barad Dur and bring down Sauron. Yes, Fingolfin defied and wounded Morgoth but he still lost in the end.

This is the main problem when authors/directors etc make a character too powerful; it either takes all the suspense out of the story, or it requires an arms race escalation of power to ad absurdum. The latter is what makes the whole Marvel universe so stupid; once you create a character or Macguffin along the lines of the Infinity Gauntlet, stupid writing and Deus Ex Machina becomes required to resolve the story. Tolkein saw that problem and deftly avoided it by just not having Superman-Elf along for the quest.

⁠@@bobf5360and the reason for him not going actually making sense and being perfectly reasonable.

The more powerful the character the more likely to fall to the ring. This makes balancing the universe easy

@@cameronlamb1869 i guess so, but Galadriel, easily one of the most powerful characters in the universe at the time, was able to resist within the space of just a conversation. Gandalf wasn't even tempted, nor Elrond, Aragorn, nor even lowly Faramir. Only Boromir the Jacka$$ was tempted. Glorfindel might have been though, we'll never know.

@@bobf5360 Boromir wasn't a jackass. He was a noble, valiant man that had a moment of weakness. He desperately wanted to protect his family and people from annihilation and the ring used that great desire of his to tempt him. He lived a valiant hero and died a valiant hero.

basically like taking a level 80 into BRD

I hate that this makes perfect sense to me.

Actually he would have only borked Gandalf xp, since we all know Gandalf stole everyone XP when he insisted on battling a balrog alone, and some time later he returns with a lot of loot and new spells, pretty sneaky guy this Gandalf but he doesn't fool me for a second.

@zeustechbr Gandalf i such a loot goblin. He even took Palantir for himself. I bet Gandalf would have taken the one ring too, if he was going for shadow build instead of light build.

@@sunnuntaiselori1927 also lets remember that gandalf threw a fit when Pippin stole his Palantir. Loot goblin indeed

Battle for Middle Earth II had that.

That's very in line with what we see in the books. At every point, part of the goal was to draw attention away from the Ring's actual location. Gandalf being really flashy at and around Weathertop, him trying to _avoid_ being flashy atop Caradras, taking Pippin to Minas Tirith, and that frontal assault on the Black Gate come to mind.

This was my thought too for what he did after the Fellowship left. There were several other battles at the time that Frodo was getting to Mount Doom, and it makes sense that Glorfindel would have a role in the north.

I love that game. It managed to made up it's own campain without changing the lore unlike many games. It was really good, it made sense and it could exist in parallel with the original lore without problem.

He was sent back to Middle Earth by the Valar to aid in the fight against Sauron. There were no real guidelines on what exactly that fight looked like. But his absence from the fellowship was because it was a stealth mission. But hard to remain hidden when you're being followed around by a being of literal angelic might 😂

​@@BM-wf9ufBut Glorfindel could not hide his powerful presence, unlike Gandalf. It was something that radiated from him as described in the books.

Yeah. The Lord of the Rings is essentially a secret mission in the middle of a massive war - you wouldn't expect all the powerful warriors to be joining it. You'd expect a few powerful and knowledgable members to guide and protect the mission, and a few weaker ones to draw less attention.

@@BM-wf9uf It would've been awesome if Glorfindel travelled south with Elrond's sons and the Grey Company to fight in the Battle at Pelennor Fields

That's a good and valid point. Even without the whole "this is a stealth mission" it's still a solid strategy, could've very well have been in the story. Like "If the mission fails we're fucked, better have SuperElf here as a backup plan".

Glorf would've been like, b**** please, I been killing Balrogs since you were a twinkle in Iluvatar's eye.

@@laureate90Well, I mean. Glorfindel doesn't exactly eat the things for breakfast. On his own the result was roughly the same as Gandalf vs. the Balrog was: mutual destruction. If they took one on together, though, they'd likely come out definitively victorious.

​@@OneTrueNobodyGandalf would cast *haste* on Glorfindel, who would smite Durin's Bane back into the abyss!

Glorfindel at least wouldn't have wailed like a Hobbit lass and wet himself like SOME elves I could mention.

@@TJDious And some dwarves we could mention, if we're being totally fair there.

I think there are hints that he kinda did that, fighting in some of the battles that happened during the war of the ring.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sauron senses the ring. The Witch King: "Should we go retrieve it master?" Sauron: "Screw that ring, freaking Glorf is coming, get back into the gate. There's a higher chance we die from SuperElf here than someone wanting to destroy my ring."

I've always wondered what that sign by the Black Gate meant. 'No Glorfing'

@@malcolmt7883 😂

@@malcolmt7883 The Glorf zone is only or glorfin' and unglorfin'!

I love his famous catchphrase "It's Glorfin' time!"

@@RyPolecatand then he Glorfed all over the place?

On a less lore-related note and more of a writing-process note, it's funny to think "Why wasn't Glorfindel part of the Fellowship when he was so powerful?" when you consider that, had Tolkien gone with the idea of including him in the Fellowship, then Glorfindel's power and significance likely wouldn't have become so great in the first place. In that event, the Glorfindel who fought the Balrog would likely have been his namesake at best. That Tolkien consciously chose to elevate Glorfindel's lore-significance after minimizing his plot-significance is an interesting point of discussion on its own.

Interesting point you have there. Asides from the obvious reason of semantics and feel of the overall structure of the story across all three books. I wonder what Tolkien’s personal reasons were. After all, feeling, being an important aspect of creativity.

It wouldn't work well in the movies. In a book you're not really limited by screentime and can put in characters that are callbacks to other books, and it won't impact the story negatively too much. In a movie you have to be really efficient with your time. Putting in a super powerful character that only appears once for a moment and then disappears for the rest of the story would feel really out of place - a new plot thread (of which LotR has already an overwhelming abundance) that leads to no resolution in the end. While I love Glorfindel I have to admit using Arwen in his place makes much more sense in the movie narrative.

I was so sad to lose that moment in the movie.

As someone descending from the Doriath Sindar, Legolas would be more prejudiced against dwarves than a Gondolin Noldor such as Glorfindel.

@@aldeayeah But Legolas and Gimli were more or less equals, peers, and could learn to respect each other on the same level. A Gimli-Glorfindel "bromance" would be like the Gimli-Galadriel "romance": extremely asymmetrical.

@@aldeayeah Legolas was primarily chosen because he is hastier and more impatient than other Elves, so he was able to communicate and relate better with the short lived races.

@@gregoryl.levitre9759 Ah, the ol' Spock problem. The humans see him as uptight and stiff. The Vulcans see him as an emotional madman.

Hot take, I think Tom bombadil should have been in the movie. Like I know his character didn't quite fit the theme of the movies but I think the movies would have been better if they made like a 4th and 5th movie so it could be more accurate to the books. I think peter Jackson made a masterpiece but I think it would have benefitted to have more time and less constraints. There's too many characters that deserved screen time that had to be dropped and that's sad to me because the books were awesome. Not flawless but I think they are an industry standard for fantasy and world building. I don't typically enjoy fantasy bc I always compare to LOTR, but I think the elder scrolls comes close to just how interesting fantasy can be

​@@dimitrilitovsk2372That's not a hot take, as Bombadil is one of, if not the most named character people wanted to see in the films that was left out. Elijah Wood, on Marc Maron's WTF podcast, said it was by far the character that most people told him they wished was in the films. I love Tom Bombadil as a character, and it would've been great to see him in the movies. He wasn't really essential to the story/plot though, so I get why they chose to leave him out. I haven't heard Peter Jackson say anything about it, but since he was such a huge fan of LotR, I have to believe he would have loved to include him, if he was a more essential character.

@@dimitrilitovsk2372Elder Scrolls is great but it gets me every time i’m playing Skyrim or Oblivion and meet a friendly Orc. I just instantly want to fight them from all my years of loving LOTR. 😂

I missed him a lot also Tom Bombadil

@@daytwaqua i only think Tom's character wouldn't work in the movies because he was a lot more whimsical, compared to the seriousness of the films in general, but you're right, many Tolkien fans wanted Tom. Idk, I feel like his character would be better in a TV series rather than a movie because they could have the tom bombadil episode and then people who don't like toms character wouldn't be stuck with him. Like I personally hate musicals but I imagine Tom would be singing half of the time he's on screen

It just ended up being what happened. As they were mistaken for Frodo and his servant by Saruman's Uruk-Hai.

@@jawstrock2215 You don't think Gandalf and Elrond could have predicted extra halflings would help confuse Sauron and Saruman?

@@knightrider585Maybe, but it was not the reason for their presence. Friendship, and the positive energy it can bring was a bigger reason. But I don't think they predicted they would have this much effect. At best they might have figured the 4 of them, could have snuck in Mordor, and pass the ring if one was to fall.(Hobbits are renown for their stealth). And if you want to bring in fate in, you could say they really wanted to go, because they were meant to shake the council of man in the south(Rohan and Gondor), and kind of wake them all up to fight against Sauron. (As well as wake up the forest, and disturb Saruman.) Everyone in the fellowship volunteered, and wanted to go, in the end. If Glorfindel went, he would have been the only one "appointed".

If they had such dark thoughts, they would not be so foolish to articulate them. But just to be sure, Gandalf blinked heavily when he brought up all the friendship talk to Elrond who had not caught up yet

This seems to have been considered from the start, too, since none of the Fellowship were charged with completing the journey alongside Frodo. Even before the Fellowship was forced apart, there were plans for, say, Aragorn and Boromir to split off from the group and go to Minas Tirith. It seems the group originally intended to wing it somewhat as far as who could actually cross Mordor's borders and who would break away to serve another purpose.

@@OneTrueNobody Didn't Boromir essentially say "I will accompany the Fellowship until the Falls, but after that I must return home"? I can't remember if that was pre-Moria or as they were sailing down the Anduin.

Yes, and I have the impression that Gandalf's original plan was for only him (or maybe with Gimli) to actually go all the way to Mordor.

@@OneTrueNobody Boromir only joined, because they were more or less going the same way anyway, and it's a long and perilous road. (He also secretly wanted the ring for Gondor). But he had the obligation to go back to Minas Tirith and report to his Father. Aragorn had promised he's go to Minas Tirith with Boromir, thinking Gandalf would stay with Frodo. Gimli and Legolas asked to join, as it would be their first real adventure/quest or worth for them.(Both are considered very young for their race). Gimli was denied the quest of Erebor, so this was his chance. And it also ended up fitting that the ring be went to destruction, with represented of every free folk race of Middle Earth.(even if that was by, seemingly pure coincidence.) The idea that no oath was taken, was so that, no one must feel obligated to keep going, having no idea what else might happened on the way. (which did happen, when they split, the Trio had to choose between the Ringbearer and the quest, or Merry and Pippin. Had they taken an oath, they would have felt obligated to chase the Ring bearer, and leave Merry and Pip to their fate.

All of these decisions happened early enough during the writing process that Tolkien could have left out the fact that Glorfindel acted like a beacon. Probably the reason why Tolkien made the decision to leave him off the fellowship and instead use him as a device to get him to rivendell was because he would have made the whole journey that much easier. take out Legolas and add in Glorfindel... The Watcher in the Water can possibly be defeated, thus eliminating the necessity to only choose the mines of moria as a pathway. If they go through the mines Gandalf and Glorfindel together can probably either ward off or even defeat the balrog. Gandolf and Glorfindel probably would see the necessity to break the fellowship, with one of them accompanying frodo and sam, and the other off to fight the great wars of rohan and gondor. Or even if sam and frodo break off alone, the following conflicts probably aren't as dramatic. Saruman probably can't stand against the two of them, and maybe even denathor is excised much like Theoden. By writing in the idea that Glorfindel is essentially a giant torch that is visible to all evil doers you make the journey of frodo/fellowship more challenging and interesting. Otherwise having him around Glorfindel can essentially Dues ex machina any problem they come across.

No. Glorfindel was completely impervious to the lure of the Ring. He was probably the most saintly creature in all of Middle-Earth. He had proven himself beyond all corruption, it is why he of all elves was sent back.

@@dany1441 Is that totally confirmed? Given that Gandalf himself was not immune I wouldn't imagine it. If there's a direct source I'd be very interested.

@@ItsmeInternetStranger The fact that he's the only one ever sent back settles it for me.

I think it's worth mentioning that being impervious to the "lure" is not the same as being immune to the Ring itself. Many members of the Fellowship showed no inclination to seek the Ring (the notion that it would eventually corrupt them all is, as far as I remember, a movie-only invention). And a whole bunch of dwarves and elves had the Ring sitting in front of them for a while in Rivendell, and knew full well it would remain in Frodo's keeping there for a time afterward. So it's not exceptionally difficult to simply not lust after the Ring, to not be lured by it, when you know the danger of the thing and have not yet been directly touched by its magic. Glorfindel likely would have been impervious to that lure, just as Legolas and Gimli apparently were. The fact that he was powerful and proud of his power, even in a good-hearted sense, would have been dangerous if he, say, laid his hand on the Ring. But that applies to most of the Fellowship.

@@OneTrueNobody I don't remember Glorfindel ever showing pride. I know OP said he did but he neglected to say where or when.

*shrug* That's because in any medium that doesn't have a way to really benefit from the wider legendarium, Glorfindel would just seem like a there-and-gone minor side character. He only even manages to earn his significance in the novel by way of the written medium's luxurious ability to take its time dwelling on details of lore: even before The Silmarillion was actually published, The Lord of the Rings still had the benefit of being able to reference the lore Tolkien had worked out behind the scenes, and the time and page-space to make such references stick. Just the concept of elves in a general sense had already had a hundred times more build-up by the time Glorfindel arrived in the book, than it had in the film by the time Arwen or Legolas appeared in the Jackson or Bakshi adaptations. Arwen in the Peter Jackson film was literally the first introduction to elves in the theatrical release and practically still was in the extended edition, where all that appeared before her was a distant view of some passing migrants to the Grey Havens and a vague reference to them leaving Middle-earth. If The Lord of the Rings were re-imagined as a long-form streaming series, on the other hand, it might be more feasible to get Glorfindel in there for a nice two- or three-episode appearance.

A dm pc, in other words.

He didn't actually save Arthedain from being destroyed but he along with an army from Gondor made sure Angmar was wiped out so at least those areas that produced our Hobbit heroes would survive to do so.

At least pick a wrong spelling lol

Yeah the orcs were certain a powerful elven warrior was amongst them but just Sam with the ring of power 😂.

@@EpicMathTime lmao

@@EpicMathTimethe best comment I’ve read in weeks

Orcs actually do have a strong cultural memory, since they recognized Gandalf's and Thorin's swords.

We are not told but I imagine he was heavily involved in the fighting in the north.

There were a bunch of battles being fought around Middle Earth at the same time and I betcha Glorfindel was kicking ass in some of them.

Would have been hype ASF tho

The elves kind of didn't care. Remember, they can all just leave. There's the risk of death if they stay and fight, and literally no consequence to most of them if they leave. Elrond is literally one of the few elves that even remotely gives a crap about middle earth. And even then, he was content to have the forming of the fellowship be his final contribution before he left. He wasn't intending to help further then that, except his daughter was in love with Aragorn, and so he reluctantly sent his gifts to Aragorn, but he didn't mobilise an army. He did just enough to help out, but entirely in a way that didn't risk any of his people's lives or take too much effort. The only elves that went with the Grey Company were Aragorn's old ranger buddies, Aragorn's good friends for decades. Obviously, they care about defending middle earth, they've spent years with Aragorn fighting off dangers that threaten the peaceful regions such as the Shire. But there's only 31 members, and not all of them are elves. Simply put, Glorfindel just doesn't care. He has no attachment to any men or dwarves. If the realm of Lotholorien was truly threatened by Saruman, then I'm sure he'd have ridden south to help the Elves escape. But he was content to just defend the elf realms and then return West. He certainly was never going to agree to go on a suicide mission that was based purely on the hope that Frodo might succeed at the 12th hour, with zero information on how close he was to achieving his goal. There is just no way Glorfindel would have ever been at the black gates. Yes, Glorfindel was sent back to help fight Sauron. But there's no rules or guidelines. Glorfindel can absolutely take that to mean "act as a last line of defence and help all the elves leave middle earth". By the time Lord of the Rings occurs, the elves have completely committed to sailing over the sea and leaving men to their fate. Elrond is considered kind of weird for caring about this conflict. When Glorfindel fought the first time around, it was for the survival of the elves and the entire world. But by the third age, the world is seperated and the elves can just bail. And they are completely happy for the most part to do so. So why didn't Glorfindel help more? Because he doesn't care. It's not his business and he doesn't care. His suggestions for the ring are give it to Tom Bombadil, some dude he basically knows nothing about, but figures why the hell not, or throw it in the ocean. Glorfindel doesn't care what happens to the ring, his options are give it some weirdo or throw it away. Why would he be eager to go on a mission to destroy it? If Glorfindel was asked by Frodo or Elrond, he probably would have agreed, but probably would have turned back by the time they reached Moria. The deal was only ever to go as far as any member personally wished, and I can't see him wanting to go into the mines, which he'd know as well as Gandalf were likely Goblin and Orc infested, with likelyhood of trolls and maybe worse. I imagine he'd think helping the fellowship reach Moria was service enough, and probably not want to risk a dangerous trek. Gandalf only wants to go through Moria because he knows they'll never be able to sneak through the gap of rohan now Sauruman is watching. Glorfindel or no, the fellowship could never fight an army of orcs by themselves. Gandalf and Glorfindel both know it's unlikely there's any dwarves left in Moria, and they both know there's been whispers of something more powerful then ordinary goblins and trolls. Gandalf takes the path as a last resort, the last option to save the mission, hoping his power combined with stealth and speed will let them scrape by. Glorfindel probably isn't going to be super excited to go into the death mines.

@@CharlesFreck You are right about a lot of things, but some things are inaccurate. Maybe the Elves did not care what happens to middle earth, because they all will eventually leave, but they had no need to raise armies and go fight Sauron. Sauron had enough power to assault them the whole time the fellowship was doing its thing. Lothlorien was assaulted 3 times and defeated, Rivendell was attacked, the Lonely Mountain was under siege, etc. The Grey Company that came to Aragorn's aid was all the Rangers (basically Aragorn's distant family) that could be gathered hastily, as well as only 2 elves, the sons of Elrond (Elladan and Elrohir), who desired to go to the great battle of the age. I assume not all the Rangers came because many were probably still out fighting and guarding the shire, bree, and other areas from Sauron's and Saruman's influence. As for why Glorfindel didn't go on the fellowship, it is true that he is very powerful. An easy thing for the Nazgul, the eye of sauron, saruman, and other great powers to track and find easily, since he cannot hide his spiritual power. People say he is a super elf, but he can still be killed. Maybe the Nazgul are afraid of him, but to orcs, trolls, evil humans, etc, he is just another elf warrior. Maybe Glorfindel can fight off the Nazgul, multiple lesser opponents, etc. But overwhelming numbers of basic troops that have no idea who he is can still eventually get in a lucky shot and he can still be killed. Being very powerful doesn't mean invulnerable, and he could still be killed by a rock, an arrow, a sword, etc. Very likely, he was used defensively and as a distraction, just like the attack on the black gate was meant to distract Sauron from the ring-bearer reaching mount doom.

IIRC Tolkien contemplated having Glorfindel arrive before the Fall of Numenor, and he would have a large heroice role in the Last Alliance. Like so many things, it never got past the stage of vague notes.

"You have not seen what i have seen" type beat

The 5 Istari were prohibited from using their full power In mortal lands and thus would not appear as they would in the Blessed Immortal Lands.

To be honest, he kind of did; Saruman at least knew exactly where he was early on, when they were trying to cross the mountain.

I wouldnt even be surprised to learn, that it was Gandalfs presence that drew the attention of the Balrog in the first place. @@jermainerace4156

I believe you're thinking of Peter Jackson's Saruman. @@jermainerace4156

He did not shine until he returned as the White. He was very good at remaining secretive, People knew he came and went, but nobody knew all he did. As for Saruman, that's a movie only thing. In the book, it's the mountain itself beating the fellowship. (Or possibly a Maiar of the mountain, like the ones in the sea causing havoc on ships.)

And if they knew (or had soem inkling) that the likes of Glorfindel was still around, and would certainly be moving against their master...

The part you quoted does not rule out wings, because two paragraphs later the book says "It stepped forward slowly on to the bridge, and suddenly it drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall[.]" Which indicates it does have wings, and the reference to "the shadow about it" is a simile.

I think he has but I’m not sure. However, Nerd of the Rings has a pretty in depth video on the subject (probably more than one) and he’s as thorough as In Deep Geek, so that might be helpful

Hee hee like the fan-fic/HISHE version in which Gandalf saying "Fly you fools" was meant literally, as in "Take the eagles over Mt. Doom and just drop it in!'

That doesn't add up. Why would Gandalf be allowed to but Glorfindel not?

@@laurie1183 It does add up ... when Glorfindel was, lets say, there to protect Rivendell and/or Elrond and Gandalfs mission clearly is to help bring Sauron down then it all adds up quite nicely

@@themattschulz3984 Elrond is the rightful High King. He doesn't take up the title though because they have a tendency to meet bad ends and he doesn't want to rule all of Elvenkind. Glorfindel is bound to serve him that's true enough. But there's no canonical reason for Glorfindel not to go. Even Tolkien admits it. He just doesn't want him to overshadow everyone else so he doesn't go. It's one of the few problems with the plot in the Lord of the Rings. The worst being Tolkien pulling a prophecy out of his butt regarding Aragorn and some ghosts.

The ring preys off weakness, whispering lies and promises of power. I don't think he would succumb too it , he'd probably be less tempted than Gladriel

Of course. Its temptation was greatest to the very powerful. Remember Gandalf's reaction when Frodo offered him the Ring at Bag End.

Since he and Galadriel were of the firstborn I think the temptation would've been similar.

​@@barbiedahldoesn't galadriel have parents?

@@lomiification Yes. Firstborn in this case refers to the Elves as they were the firstborn of the Children of Iluvatar. Galadriel was not of the very 1st generation of Elves; she was the daughter of Finarfin and Eärwen, a Teleri princess.

It's established Maia can completely disguise themselves. Saruman and Sauron are both noted to do it, both spiritually and physically. Gandalf even remarks that Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli may have seen Saruman in the forest, and even Gandalf before he became the White probably could not have detected Saruman if he chose to be disguised. I think the best explanation though is that Glorfindel just doesn't care. When presented with what to do with the ring, his answers are either to give it to the weird dude who lives on the river that I've kind of heard about and Frodo says isn't effected by the ring, sounds legit to me, or throw it in the ocean and be done with it, whatever, who cares. If your options are give it to the first random dude that gets brought up or go and throw it away, then you probably aren't going to be super into the idea of a super dangerous mission to go and destroy it, when you've already shown you don't care about it. Glorfindel can just leave middle earth as can all the elves, and go over the sea, and Sauron will literally never be able to touch them. The elves have zero real consequences to leaving. Elrond only cares because he loves Rivendell and is probably the most sympathetic elf to men. And he's explicitly seen as a little weird for caring so much by the other elves, and all he does is organise travelling companions for Frodo and send Aragorn a couple gifts. And that's considered weirdly invested for an elf. Glorfindel absolutely just gives zero shits about the quest to destroy the ring.

I always got the impression that Gandalf limited himself internalizing his power, perhaps earning the designation "The Gray" as he was likely unnoticed compared to the others of his order in the spirit realm. This attitude that turned out to be a wise council for the Fellowship, was actually Gandalf's MO in all things: Go unnoticed, move behind the scenes. When he became "The White" it was "weapons hot" and nothing about his attitude resembled his former furtiveness but speed and action in all things. MHO

Just picture Glorfindel and Gandalf riding on giant eagles with Frodo carrying the ring to mount doom ^^ I mean Saurons airforce are mostly the Nazgul and they wouldnt fare too well against those two.

Temba, his arms wide!

@@jojotheswede8444 Sokath, his eyes open!