why we aren't vegan anymore.. 

@@catworld8119 that’s what the delete button is for🤣 goodbye!

@@catworld8119 I suppose you have the same attitude towards a mother who'd pay for the slaughter of humans for consumption because their kid wanted a wee bit of cake?

That really is the problem of the world... the Nazi's put their children ahead of Jewish children, so they engaged in the holocaust. This lady is "putting her children first" and paying for someone to slaughter millions of baby chicks. Do you have any idea how bad your argument is? Putting your children first doesn't mean setting them up to conform in society. It means teaching them morally right and morally wrong things. It is that easy.

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@@MS-ib8xu well said

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Yes, another vegan family here. Our son is 15 now and gently struggling with being the only vegan (or even vegetarian) in his group of friends. He talks with us and we support him with any decision he makes. He a strong ethical vegan and hates that he struggles with iit at times. But he knows we will love and support him and will not judge him in anyway if he decides he can't be vegan anymore. Its hard to be vegan in a omni world.

We're a vegan family as well, my kids are so active and smart and luckily they don't feel left out because we have suppotive friends and family who also enjoy plant based food although not vegan necessarily and we make it work so everyone is happy. We also have some very health conscious vegan friends with kids and friends with gluten intolerance, friends that prioritize organic and we all find a common ground and are respectful of one another, but I've heard so many times that some vegans are not as supported or respected and it makes them feel like a burden to others so it makes sense that not every family will be able to stay vegan especially with many kids. Love to all of you❤

I’m vegan / vegetarian if there are vegan options Great if not I choose vegetarian

She should feel guilt though. It's not really hard to be vegan and those problems she described are not a good reason to "leave veganism". It's obviously better then 9/10 other people who don't care that much (or not at all), but she was already vegan - therefore she knows that consuming a few animal products here and there means a few animals suffer for no reason here and there

This is how I plan on doing it once I have kids!

Good on you 😁 its a good way of doing it !

Good on you for being honest and making the best decision for your family :) i have twin girls who are two months old and i plan on raising them vegetarian but not vegan. I was strictly vegan after being vegetsrian but i have mellowed now i still eat mostly vegan but the very odd chocolate bar and honey i do let in from time to time :)

Do they not get sick when they eat non vegan food tho?

You allow your kids to eat carcasses of abused animals just bc it’s “hard” to bring your own food?

If one of your friends starts beating his dog, you dont say wow I respect your decision to beat your dog. You try and get them to stop beating their dog and realize the suffering they are causing.

@@CoconutFalafel Beating a dog and going vegan is uncomparable.

@NuraChung thank you! Finally someone who acknowledges the moral issue here..

@NuraChung People eating animals are worse than people torturing animals for pleasure? Hmmmm... I hope you have same opinion on animals killing and eating other animals. They suffer too, when being killed and eaten alive by other animals.

@@CoconutFalafel Beating a dog and going vegan is very comparable. We say let's cause as less pain as possible in our lives. Let's stop hurting a dog. Let's stop hurting pigs, cows, chickens, fish and etc.

What’s the phrase in French? :)

@@111mckenzie "Il n'y a que les idiots qui ne changent pas d'avis "

@@111mckenzie "Il n'y a que les imbeciles qui ne changent pas d'avis". :D

Merci! Je prends des cours de français :))

Merci, aussi!

wise? articulate? No... she just made excuses so she can exploit animals who value their own lives.

Please start acknowledging the effects of pesticides and crop protection permits. Thank you.

@@GarlandFarms Sorry, I don't understand, please explain what you mean in regards to my comment

Unfortunately for some people it is about being perfect.

IT really doesn't matter what your ARE

Rightly said

Good mindset, well put

Really well said, it’s good to consciously try eat less meat/animal products but I don’t see why it has to be an all or nothing thing

Thai is the right mindset to have.

It does hurt someone tho. Hurts the animals they're gonna be eating 😂

@@backlife So, they are vegetarian now?

@@lunamir9372 at the end of the video she said they went back to being vegetarian. they still eat vegan food but don‘t restrict themselves to only vegan food.

Such a great comment 😊

@Cara B i know. Chloe just mentioned that they eat eggs now. they still don‘t drink cow milk. so they still try their best.

This!!

Oh no kids are going on the down slide now on their health!!! Dairy milk/ cheese puss meat/ animal death 💀 honey bee vomit 🤮 eggs 🥚 chicken period!!!! Gross I’m unsubscribing CYA !!!your morels just went out the door 🚪 poor animal 🐓 🦒 🐮 🦔🦓 🐑 🐝 growth restriction that’s because they had another body in there they were fighting for it was no room

@@trishalwlr I really can't tell if this is sarcastic or genuine... Hoping for sarcastic :D

I so agree KC!

@@trishalwlr please it's not up to you to decide what's best for someone else. Unsub cause of the food they eat? So dumb.

@@trishalwlr this is exactly the kind of toxic judgmental behavior that gives vegans a bad name. Open your mind and heart. You are in no position to judge anyone about anything. Everyone has their own journey. Focus on yours

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We are animal based family with 5 years old and 1.5years old boys. I breastfed my older boy for 2 years 7 months, and still breastfeeding my youngest boy. We have farm. All animal we eat its grass fed and free ranged chicken eggs, we dont eat pork because its hard to find the good one. We drink raw milk, eat raw cheese, sheep yoghurt, cultured butter, cultured ghee. No using vegetables oil and seed oil. My son goes daycare 2 days a week do eat fruit and vegetables. Some people do think im crazy. But my children are healthy, happy and strong. Don't blame yourself, you doing great. Also my children really like your online store books and toys. We buy a lot.

@@yuchunkung3746 but is this good for long term

@@ritesharora6032 i think it got a lot health benefits. I make sauerkraut, bone broth, meat stock, sometimes bake sourdough bread, grass fed Cattle, wild caught salmon, homemade raw milk yoghurt and kefir, kids love it with berries.

@@yuchunkung3746 vegan is not good?

but rest assured,people come 4 her.

i will, just because she has a strong maternal instinct doesn't justify raping and murdering animals.

Mad respect for anyone who puts their kids' health and safety over their ideologies. Humans evolved using animals for sustenance, and while we tend to use animal products waayyy more than we need to, a lot of our biological processes are tuned to breaking down animal products. Also those who question vaccines, but still vaccinate their kids even on a delayed schedule. It's good to question your surroundings and confirm its safety for yourself, but it's also good to listen to people who have studied these things and know more about it than you do.

@@theonlyabberdabber this was so well put! People need to study, question etc and make their own decisions but at the same time sometimes the professionals do know what they’re talking about ! Either way I always support questioning, changing minds etc just as long as safety and love come first

veganism isn't a diet its an ethical stance.

@@jurrac8505 Congrats, a child's needs still need to come before ethical stances, especially ones pertaining to diet and nutrition that can impact a child's entire future.

@@jurrac8505 it’s can be a diet it depends on the person. Either way the ethical stance involves dietary changes which can be fantastic or be harmful depending on the person and how it is done.

Thats a good mindset. I feel the same way.

Yess Jane! K.I.S.S theory. I agree ! She is an amazing inspiration. She and Ro are great parents. Such love.

Me too i agree too

We did vegan and gave it up, I wouldn’t go back to vegan again, but each to their own.

Get your affairs (financial and otherwise) in order if you're vegan. Make sure you have someone in mind to raise your kids, because likely you will be too sick to care for them, or will die...before they grow up.

How do you even survive in Iceland? Go eat some fish girl, before you fall apart from Vitamin D deficiency.

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I feel like the non-racist community is very judgey against racists. I can see where it could become toxic and anxiety inducing. Good job on making a rational decision for your family based on experience.

@@DW-md5gr wanted to write this comment 😂 so true

@@DW-md5gr nice deflection

One time I joined a group for vegans because I needed some recipe ideas, and it said that non-vegans were welcome. A single mother made a post about how she was really struggling with veganism for various reasons and wanted to started incorporating a few dairy products back into her diet, but she felt guilty. Most people were commenting saying "you just have to think of the animals, then you won't struggle to stay vegan", so essentially making her feel more guilty. I commented saying that veganism is great but if it's not working for her, eating a bit of dairy doesn't make her a bad person. Then the admins deleted my comment because I was apparently "promoting animal cruelty". That kind of sums it all up, for me. People should be allowed to just do what they can, even if that means not being perfect. The guilt-trips put far more people off of even attempting to eat more plant-based food, than they do convert people to veganism.

@@twylabobette2012 you were promoting it and no, if you join a vegan group you shouldn't be allowed to do so. If some people struggle, they should be helped, solutions can be found. But just saying "eat some animal products again" is just as absurd in this context.

Might want to look again I commented on one persons negative thoughts

Vegans aren't vegan in order to be vegan. Vegans aren't vegan in order to be able to attach a certain label to themselves, or because we attached a certain label to ourselves. We are vegan for ethical reasons. We merely use the word "vegan" in order to make communication easier.

Amen, she’s a lovely wonderful gal, and an incredible mummy.

Yes Holly. You are correct. It’s their life and they are no way a disappointment.

Great info!

I was just thinking the same things.

Would people use orthorexia to describe the behavior of people who don't eat certain food for religious reasons then 🤔

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@@queentatoune great question! Usually there are religious guidelines that stop at the edges of your particular sect of religion where there suddenly becomes an area designated for personal choice. Unless you are the strictest of strict, most orthodox of orthodox, and that’s in every area of your life. I would think there could be circumstances where someone may come to view their very strict eating habits (absent to any other area of their faith where they are as particularly strict) as restrictive and harmful to them, and possibly a form of orthorexia. Label are only helpful if they are helpful and what looks like “orthorexia” or was orthorexia to one person may simply be “paleo” or “veganism” or “keto” for others. The main issue is “are these strict eating habits causing problems for me? Is keeping to these rules causing anxiety, or caused by anxiety unrelated to the food and more related to my inherent worth as a person?” you could take two people with the exact same eating habits and one could be experiencing severe anxiety around food and wish they could allow themselves to eat differently but just CAN’T and the other might be fine with their eating habits and really enjoying their strict diet. And there you have the difference. ETA: and that final example could also be the SAME person, 2/3/4 years apart. What started out as fun and fulfilling suddenly turning anxiety inducing and restrictive due to a change in circumstances, or simply time passing. It’s very fluid and labels are really only helpful if they’re helpful.

Well, if your vegan and invite meat-lovers over to your house then make the effort to serve them steaks!!! You can have vegan for your family but of course you make the effort to have meat for your non-vegan friends. Don't let your style of eating affect your friendship!

Veganism is a cult.

So many ex-vegans here with you, me also. :) It really is a cult.

@@nitakeiju5234 the thing is... there are a bunch of people taking stuff to extremes and they destroy it for everyone else. Like the types of vegans that think they're better people just because they're vegan and that's just... yeah. Weird ppl. And it unfortunately somehow goes from I don't wanna harm animals to being a shitty person towards everyone who's not vegan real quick. And then comes prejudice. Vicious cycle :|

and if they don't then leave them.🤷🏾‍♀️

That's a false equivalence. Veganism is a stance against an injustice, whereas driving a car isn't. It's like someone comparing anti-racism or anti-sexism to driving a car. They're not even close to the same thing and therefore can't be compared. Would you think an "all or nothing" approach to any other injustice (sexism, racism, homophobia, etc.) is unreasonable or not practicable? If not, then why is it any different when it comes to a certain injustice, but not others?

@@FieldOfFireflies its an analogy mate

​@@lilymcmanaway Yeah, and the analogy either fails or misunderstands veganism (if it's strictly about the environment). The disanalogy is that funding the slaughter of animals involves rights violations and driving a car doesn't.

Irrelevant. It makes no sense. It's a false equivalence, mate. You can't compare a stance against an injustice to driving a car. Nonsensical.

@@FieldOfFireflies comparing the environmental impact of two things doesn't mean that they have to be the same or that other parameters have to be the same. If doesn't make sense to limit environmental impact comparisons to injustices in this case

Out of curiosity....why would being vegan not work for you? I think cutting out meat is probably the most challenging part for most people...you already have done that. You are like half way there, I am kind of just curious to know why you chose to stop. I promise I won't hate you for it either. :P

@@mikaapollo1453 our biggest challenge would be dairy products. My kids school doesn’t offer warm meals for special diets (only a vegetarian option) so if I wanted vegan I’d have to make packed lunches every day. They could never eat what their friends bring in or even have the school milk. I want them to have choice and not feel restricted.

@@hello_its_jo9951 Alright...so does your family eat vegetarian at home? sometimes vegans make exceptions for their children, like at school they will let their children eat other foods, or drink milk like you said, same if they go to birthday parties. Sounds kinda similar to my dilemma. I am 100% vegan, my husband has only managed to cut out animal products but hasn't given it up completely using yes the excuse he is selfish and likes a good burger once in awhile. I do not let him bring it in the house though or eat it around me. He can go to his friends for that or a restaurant. My reason being was basically if he just eats animals anyways all the time and brings it in the house, as much as I love him and want to respect his choices, it would defeat the purpose of me going vegan. Since I did it for many reasons, including ethics and morals. So we did come to a compromise, that deal was when I went vegan I had to cook him good vegan dishes and he promised to make more conscience decisions towards food. He has cut out meat, never drank milk or big on cheese etc (he is lactose intolerant) etc...like he may now only eat out like once every few months. Probably because all the documentaries and videos I made him watch or I guess my cooking isn't half bad. He really surprised me, because at first it was a fight. Now I have another dilemma too....I rescued cats before I went vegan. So like from as far as I know and hours upon research, cats are carnivores and it is impossible to argue that. They can't just supplement like humans do, they naturally absorb nutrients from only the direct source. That even if it was possible to turn a cat vegan, it has MANY risks. So I am in a lose lose situation. So I just buy more expensive food that is cruelty free. At least until there is better options. So I am conflicted like you, but it didn't stop myself from going vegan. Way I put it is...yes the long term goal to vegans is globalize veganism....But we need some short term goals. Me going extreme vegan is not ending the death or the torture animals go through etc....Tomorrow not everyone is going to go vegan. It doesn't happen over night. In the mean time we can do our best to help end things like the cruelty side of things as much as possible. Everybody does this by shortening the demand. Any option to cut out animal products is a step. It may not be the best step. I get that taking the life of an animal that is unnessary or stealing milk that belongs to a calf and all the other awful things is bad yes....But if our demand was not so high you can at least hope for a better life for these animals. Even in the best of slaughterhouses. highest technology etc...have routine checks....mistakes happen because our demand for these products is insanely high. WAY too high. We can at least help end that. Farm animals are crammed in too small spaces etc because again they have to breed so many to meet the demand. The more people go vegan or the more people make the option to cut animal products out of their life, the animals will still benefit. It is why I try to be very careful with my preaching. We need to stop calling people fake vegans or hypocrites. Some people are just truly doing their best and they do want the same as vegans. Does that make sense?

@@hello_its_jo9951 It is like we are on our own worse enemy. lol

As a mom and teacher, I brought fun pencils and erasers for my kids to share on their birthdays. This prevented lots of allergy and dietary issues.

@@dianawright2030 yeah that helps too. My parents, and alot of my friends parents did the whole party thing though. Class goodie bags and cupcakes, chips, drinks. Which yes is alot, but its something my mom never got (a single birthday celebration) and that's what she wanted to do for us and our friends. I'll keep all this in mind though, who knows maybe parents have calmed down since my last classroom birthday party 😂😂

I find that to be so interesting. Me and some friends and family changed so much during lockdown in this or a similar way. Maybe due to the reason that we had the time to rethink everything...

When people swing so far in another direction I guess it could be a kind of burnout, like they are so tired of what they were doing they just want something as different as possible. But I also think some people just have very passionate personalities, and whatever choices they make in their life they tend to do them with huge enthusiasm and even kind of to an extreme.

I agree with the other comment - I think that the "all or nothing" toxic perfectionism mentality really does burn people out. So instead of reducing their consumption of animal products, they just feel like they can't do it at all anymore, so they go back to eating meat. I think the same thing happens with zero waste too.

Why? Because you are afraid of what other kids will say or think about your kids? Why not teach your kids to be leaders and stick to their moral obligations?

@@MS-ib8xu I think that that's quite hard to do. I personally think that they should experience first hand what it feels like to enjoy a food but then being reminded that an animal suffered for it. So why not let them test those things while continuously educating them

I kind of agree. We can only really control what our kids eat in our home. If our kids are not ethically vegan then we can't prevent them from choosing accordingly when away from home. But I think we shouldn't condone or endorse anti vegan choices like she did. I'm sure we'd try and dissuade our kids from doing many other immoral acts they may witness others do. I don't see why we shouldn't be the same with veganism.

@@MS-ib8xu there’s no such thing as a moral obligation

@@Daz19 morals tho

Love this note, great perspective

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Love this comment it makes sense 👍👍

Veganism isn't for everyone but it is for some.... well said!

@@belab.9078 Until I found your comment I was like what's wrong with people? Thank god somebody talking some sense.

In all honesty I’m more worried about the cult of raw meat eaters who have been bashing them for years🥲

@@LarsBarrs people eat raw meat?

@@jesseewalker5147 religiously, they think that fruits and vegetables make you sick and eating exclusively raw red meat is the way humans should live…they obviously are not very fond of vegans

@@LarsBarrs if they want to eat raw meat, they can certainly carry on, but don't expect me too lol

What's wrong with an "all or nothing" mindset when it comes to an injustice? Do you think this mindset is wrong or unreasonable when it comes to other injustices like racism, sexism, homophobia? All of the movements against these injustices have all or nothing mindsets so what's your issue when it comes to people having that mindset when it comes to anti-speciesism/animal cruelty?

Natural and sustainable. I had no idea they were so environmentally conscientious. If society wants to eliminate fossil fuels that really only leaves things like wool and bees wax.

There is nothing wrong with a parent deciding what their kids eat, as long as they are healthy. That is like saying parents shouldn't raise their kids with a certain religion or other lifestyle choices.

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