"Stalin! The Aral Sea is drying up." "But we have cotton." "Yeah, but we lost the Aral Sea fisheries." "But we have cotton." "The land left behind is all salty and worthless." "But we have cotton." "Also, there's old toxic waste residue." "But we have cotton." "The wind kicks up _enormous_ toxic dust storms, which endanger the lives of everyone living nearby!" "But we have cotton." "...Including the cotton, sir." "...Shit."
Here's a big cobra effect. When Mao Zedong's government won the Chinese Civil War, he wanted people to kill sparrows because they were eating all the crops. They killed the sparrows, but they didn't know that the sparrows also killed the bugs which were also eating the crops. So the crops actually were eaten faster and the bug population increased. Mao more like LMao
@@ZOOMPZ00mp .....interesting but I'm thinking to be a cobra effect that the sparrow population would have needed to increase..There aren't really any birds in China cos the Chinese killed and ate em all and ditto for Tibet after they invaded that peaceful country.
They did ask me about it but I when I said leave the damn thing along and forget about cotton. They didn't listen. They pointed out we're loosing Lake Meade to run Las Vegas. I said yeah that's an old story. But I didn't deny it.
Australia have been doing the same thing to the Murray-Darling river system - pulling so much water out to irrigate cotton and use for coal mining that the 16th longest river in the world is now just a dry river bed for much of its length.
@@LordAnublz I guess I'm used to a country where they publish the air quality and water quality and if it's over a limit, that beach is temporarily closed for swimming and the signs tell us exactly what the pollution is. Recently one beach had high e-coli - we thought it was sewage, but it was from dogs, not people.
Does anyone else think this doesn't sound like a Cobra effect as described at the start of the video? They diverted water from the lake knowing it would harm the lake. That's just poor planning, not a cobra effect. A cobra effect would be trying to repair the lake and it causing people houses to flood or something along those lines.
I think the Cobra Effect comes into play where they were trying to turn a desert into usable land (by diverting water) and it caused a worse desert (one with toxic dust storms) to form.
You could easily argue that the cobra bounty was _also_ poor planning, because it was. "The cobra effect" is a subset of "poor planning," not something entirely separate.
Yeah, it doesn't really fit into the cobra effect category. But again we get to learn about two very important incidents happened in the history so I think it's fine.
Agree with csx fan Nothing was done so far to try and fix it. I was expecting to hear him say something like "they diverted the river back into the Aral but it was too late and that only made it worse"
You should've mentioned that the north part of the Aral Sea in Kazakchstan is already partlialy restored because salt levels are normal again,several species of fish were stocked and fishing communities are being rebuild.
Why exactly doesn’t California pull water from the ocean? Desalinating water isn’t terrible hard- you boil it, let it evaporate, and re-condense as sterile salt-free water in another tank. Unlimited clean water with minimal environment effect (since the ocean is so big; just need to use lots of low-flow input pipes instead of one big high-flow pipe, so you don’t suck in creatures and plants and stuff), and all you need is a heat source, easily done with electricity or hydrogen-oxygen (which gives you even more clean water as a result) or a another clean energy. I just don’t understand California some times; don’t get me started on how they should just cut some permanent firebreaks across their forests to limit wildfires.
@@CapnSlipp Three problems with using desalinized ocean water: 1.) Present desalinization methods actually requires a very large amount of energy relative to the amount of fresh water it produces. So it would be replacing one ecological problem with another. Clean renewable energy is still way more expensive than fossil fuels, which is why all fossil-fuel plants have not already been replaced by renewable energy. No company is going to invest in a desalinization plant when it is more cost effective to just bring the water in on a truck. 2.) The resulting hyper-salty waste-water wreaks havoc on a large area surrounding the pipes where the water is returned to the ocean. No matter where you put the outlet, there will be an eco-zone that will be severely negatively impacted. 3.) The ocean is large but not infinite. The Aral Sea was the size of Ireland. So imaging a zone that large being effected over the decades. Short-sighted thinking by previous generations assumed that the Earth was large enough to absorb the waste that they were dumping into it without suffering serious consequences. Our generation is now paying a very high price on multiple fronts for that short-sighted thinking. Regarding firebreaks: 1.) Our forests are mostly on federal lands, which means that the US government manages them, not us. 2.) Preemptive fire breaks won't work. Fires are able to jump across six-lane concrete highways with shoulders and cleared vegetation. Which means that you would have to create gigantic swaths of cleared forests to even have a hope of them being effective. That alone would be an environmental nightmare. The only way to create such a large swath of cleared vegetation would be a controlled burn. Forest land tends to be mountainous, so trying to do it with chainsaws, trucks and bulldozers would take years. Vegetation would grow back behind you by the time you got any appreciable area cleared. Controlled burns can only be done under very particularly perfect conditions, and even then they sometimes get out of hand and start uncontrolled fires. If it's too hot, dry or windy, it's too dangerous. If it's too wet, it won't burn. And the burns do create an enormous amount of smoke which travels far, wreaking havoc on both wildlife and humans.
@@ValleySquirrel Your arguments are riddled with fallacies. The first being that all ecological problems are equivalent relative to human prosperity, a notion that is not only inherently false, but also consistently propagated by vastly uneducated pseudo-communists. The second is that brine is even remotely an issue when compared to severe drought in the top agricultural producing and most populated state, this is especially true when considering that there are a number of barren landscapes in California where biological life is already scarce (leading to a disconnect from the greater biome). Not to mention that brine can simply be left out to evaporate in the sun, the byproduct being a large quantity of sea salt easily able of being distributed by the government as part of a state initiative or sold to distributors through a partnership program. The third and undisputedly most ridiculous claim is implying that an "area" the size of Ireland with an average depth of 53 feet is even remotely comparable to the immense volume of the Oceans that have an average depth of nearly 2.5 miles. There is in no way, shape, or form a deficit in Sea water to desalinate/salinate as the sea level is currently in the process of rising. Meaning that not only is that completely false, but desalination will only aid the effort of mitigating sea level rise (even if negligible) and offsetting the dilution of salt in the ocean caused by fresh water ice melting. Outside of the large price tag, there is no foreseeable initiative that holds greater potential in combating the drought affected areas of California.
@@ValleySquirrel As far as the wildfires, there is not much that I really disagree with. I'm currently in the process of selling equipment to the state of California and eventually international governments (including Australia) that has shown to extinguish simulated wildfires at nearly 1,244,000 square feet per half hour (Assuming 10mph constant speed & three 5 minute adjustment periods): that is nearly ten fold the standard. The current development is using the same origami material science that was put in place by NASA in order to cross platform deploy it from the cargo hold of a 747 SuperTanker used by the state of California. This would be a game changer in terms of combating wildfires.
Back in the '60's and '70's when water-deprived California was fighting reluctant neighboring areas over water rights in the surroundings areas, their resistance was because they felt California is a desert; it will always be a desert; and if they draw water from the surrounding areas, those areas will become deserts. Snow cap is gone; mountain lakes have dried; Hoover dam depleted.
Hey @RealLifeLore you probably won't see this, but I thought I'd share this with you. In my composition class at my university, we had to write a research paper on a social/environmental issue and provide potential solutions and thanks to your video, I wrote a 12 page paper on the Aral Sea Crisis and I got an A on it. So thank you so much for making this video. It truly inspired me!
@@johnmacaroni105 This type of thing is not exclusive to either communism or capitalism, it's simply short sighted greed which is a universal human trait.
I was there, couple of years ago. I came out of car, and wind with dust blown in my face. All around me was desert. Then i saw metallic stairs, going down, 50 meters to place, which was once bed of the Aral sea. There was salt and dead shells and skelets of dead fish. Also, there were four or five rusty ships, decaying, sitting on sand. It was so sad...
@@ESSBrew I am not sure what you mean by California's largest lake, but the Salton Sea is slowly drying up as well. Partly because of efforts to reduce the amount of farm runoff from going into it, which by definition is probably polluted. The Salton Sea was formed accidentally when there was a serious flood on the Colorado River. With all of the great dams on the Colorado River that can never happen again.
I visited it in 1993 and had a coffee in a bar which used to be on the shore of the lake but was at that time 5 kilometres from the water. There were boats and a ship just lying on the sandy ground a few hundred metres from the bar. I knew it was a catastrophe then but I never thought it would completely disappear.
@@strategicfooyouagencyfirst8197 no, more like human evil. How is this propaganda at all? He never said Russians are evil, it just showed how humans are not the brightest when it comes to nature
@strategic fooyou agency first agent as a Russian I can say that I despise the Soviet Union with every fiber of my soul. It isn’t propaganda, it’s exposing their shit leadership and moronic decisions
You know, it gets way worse. The Soviet's had a biological weapons lab on an island in the Aral Sea. They didn't shut it down correctly and now the area in under threat of Anthrax. Not your normal run of the mill Anthrax, no the Soviet's had to engineer it to be even more lethal.
The average weight of a toyota corolla is about 1200 kg, and the aral sea was about 1100km^3 at its peak; considering that it lost about 80%, it had roughly 2,906,685,090,096,700 gallons at its peak and is likely less than 290,668,509,209,700 gallons of water now, so it lost about 2,616,016,580,887,000 gallons of water which is approximately 9,888,542,675,753,000 kilograms of water, so approximately 8,000,000,000,000 Toyota Corollas dried up.
That's the problem with a centrally planned economy. The central part is almost always clueless about local problems, and it doesn't give a damn about anything else other than quotas. Soviet Union and its ambitious agricultural plans ended up causing more famines than ever before, and the Soviet people had to stand in line for hours on end for a loaf of bread or a pound of meat by the 1980s.
Good thing capitalism doesnt turn big parts of the USA into a desert so they can have nice swimming pools and almond farms in California or Vegas! The capitalism part is almost always clueless about local problems, and it doesnt give a damn about anything else other than revenue.
@@LordAnublz As Kennedy once said, America isn't perfect, but at least we don't have to build walls to keep our people in. Or in case of modern day China, constantly surveil every aspect of the lives of over a billion people and censor words on the internet to keep people from rebelling against authoritarianism.
@@MeanMachine1992 I think the main problem is that the centrally planned economy of the Soviet Union was a complete dictatorship where nobody could say no to the higher-up's proposals. If such a centrally planned economy was governed democratically and all elected offices had vigorously enforced term limits, it would theoretically possess the best qualities of both worlds.
@@TheBestAround131 No, centrally planned economies just don't work because a handful of self-important elites don't know the nuances of the economy better than the markets and individuals that actually run it. Bureaucrats are worse at economics than businessmen, unsurprisingly.
Weird then that 90% of the Aral Sea's reduction came after there was no more "centrally planned economy". Take a look at satellite photos of the Aral Sea in 1989, and then take a look at satellite photos 10 years later. The vast majority of the draining came after the fall of the Soviet Union when rampant capitalist exploitation used the infrastructure built under the Soviets to rape the land, much like they did in every other segment of the post-Soviet economy.
In germany we have a nice word for the "Cobra-Effect". We call it "verschlimmbessern" and it is made by the words "verbessern" (improve) and "schlimmer" (worse).
Part of building a design is to take into account the affects the design poses on itself as well as its surroundings, this way you understand your weak points. Being an engineer requires more than just math and physics, you need foresight.
Cobra Effect in Hawaii: Rats from the explorers ships infested the Island soon after discovery and with no natural predator the problem got worse and worse. Solution: Import Mongoose from India to control the Rat infestation. Cobra Effect: The Rats are diurnal and the Mongoose nocturnal. They coexisted peacefully. The result: Many rare species of birds native ONLY to the Hawaiian Islands were wiped out by the Mongoose. If you travel to Hawaii today you will see that metal bands are fastened around light poles and hydro poles to keep climbing animals from disturbing nesting birds.
We could revert the waters back to the lake and clean up the waste and salt left on the dry bed but that would take millions of dollars to accomplish and will ruin the cotton industry
@@freeman8128 Stalin had over 26 million of his comrades murdered, killed, maimed and tortured in the name of the Motherland. Its not just about natural resources such as a lake. Its much more than that. Its about human dignity and what is morally and spiritually right. Not Totalitarian governmental control. This type of reasoning is destroying America from within at the present moment with the promise of Utopia once again.
Prince Krazie, I know, but "over half a century" sounded better when I was typing it out. And since 65 years IS over half a century, that's what I went with.
@Marisa Nya - This shits hilarious! Another guilty liberal that blames the fossil fuel industry, that makes her life possible. How are you going to get your Starbucks slave labor coffee and Avocado Toast without transportation? How are you going to stay alive during the winter? You need to understand that Global Warming is a hoax. In the 70's climate alarmists said we were entering an ICE AGE because of the green house effect. They said the hole in the ozone layer would give us all skin cancer in the 80's. By the 90's, Al Gore declared no more polar ice, period, by 2012. And by 2016, the Earth was going to be so over populated that there would be mass starvation. All a pack of lies! So we are selfish because we dont live like its the 1800s? When cities had literal mountains of horse shit? Where people burned coal to stay warm? Natural gas is selfish indeed! Lol! FUCK! Some part of me feels sorry for you for not looking into any of this for yourself. You should. The AOC's and Bernies of the world want you to eat bugs, never use air travel, and live in cramped cities like animals. Meanwhile, they buzz around the world on private jets, lecturing the little people about 'how selfish they are'. Instead of getting WOKE try being AWAKE....
@Marisa Nya Sound like Greta Thumberg. You don't get this good convenient life for free. When the society and economy crumble and you don't know how to find food or know what to do, i am doubt that you think much of climate. Or maybe you would like to go and sleep in the jungle, facing the deceases, predator, live like a true animal that fully stick with nature and often get killed by it ? Anyway , don't go to full blindness to our nature like @cyberpimp up here. We know the problems and they are complicated. Don't let any child be like that Thumberg girl. They can live in safer , more civilized life but also aware of problem we are facing. Instead of just talking same topic with no good solution, learn and find the way to fix it, make a better life instead of crying out like little pussy :V That just pathetic, that kid have no idea of poor life and if she go and learn stuff, be a politician or scientist that would be more realistic method
They really should let the Rivers Flow Freely again and then Open Hatcharys and Grow fish in the old fishing Communitys, after that they can open Fishing and bring back the lakes Economy. The Cotten isnt worth it anymore and they can find more efficient ways to water the crops.
Countries upstream of two rivers are Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. They do not suffer major damage from dried up Aral sea. It is difficult because of conflict of interests of Central Asian countries
@@NiteStorm324 really, you dont know about it? look it up homie, its really interesting, life there is impossible because of ammount of salt (basically everything gets burned because of salt), but somehow there are bacterias that managed to adopt life in the water,
This is actually very amazing that you bring this one up. I visited the Aral Sea last year and the whole story of it was so interesting that I always thought "Huh wonder why only a small amount of people know this, it is quite cool" Anyway thank you for making this video and informing people about this topic. Good video and keep it up with the good work.
This is definitely not cool who lived or live there and this is the standard result for Red Russia communist experiments like Aral Sea, Chernobyl zone and thouthands from small to huge size locations all over former russian colonies, some of these locations are hazardous to visit for the next dozens thousands years.
Jaden MacDonald well, Aral Sea situation damaged Kazakhstan more that Uzbekistan, bc Uzbekistan still has access for root of 2 main rivers that used to fed Aral Sea.
believe it or not most people in the world are not familiar with that statment, the usa is not the center of the world. Hate these type of people, not because of that particular comment but the fact that people only care about what happens in america and ignore everything else in the world.
You might want to update this video. The Aral or Ariel Sea is refilling thanks to restoration efforts. Might want to be more judicious with the term "WE", "we" didn't do it. The Soviets did.
@@stefanpigford6891 Yes, some yard ago Kazakhstan made a dam to separate the north part of the sea from the South, because the south was drying up faster. With the two lakes separated, the south kept drying while the north one slowly regenerated.
@@mitchtherighteous and you are truly really stupid because the comparison is with the Gulf of California fed by the colorado river, as the aral sea is fed by two rivers. Stealing the river is stealing the river. Like your empty channel so is your brain
I seems like the Great Salt Lake in Utah was also much larger in the past. Looking at the satellite images of the salt flats in proximity to the lake it seems like the size of the lake was several times the size of what it is now.
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@@gordonmcintosh2655 how about being a welder and understanding at 900° Steel starts to bend and can no longer support its own weight. EXTRA SIDE NOTES: top off with burning carpet, furniture made of wood increases the temps over 2000 degrees and a BIG ass hole to supply all the oxygen its needs and you have a recipe for disaster.
What they should have done with the cobra program is to announce it's termination at some specific future date. That way the breeders would have been able to sell off their existing stock while having no incentive to breed additional snakes for future sale. Of course I say this with the benefit of hindsight so...
@@Burt1038 I thought the same thing. I assumed it was out of spite. Or that the British hated cobras but the Indians loved them or something. Because if you considered cobras bad, why would you release them instead of kill them unless it was out of spite or you liked them in the wild. It's "crying over spilt milk".
"Stalin, we are diverting too much water from the Aral Sea and it is rapidly disappearing. What should we do?" "Get more water." "Exactly how are we supposed to do that?" "Simple. We release tons of carbon into our atmosphere, raising global temperature a few degrees. This will cause the polar icecaps to melt, raising sea levels..." "...and lake levels. You're brilliant, sir." "That is correct. There is no problem Stalin can't solve."
I have a question : Was Stalin really alive when Aral Sea started drying up ? 'Cause the majority of the people in the comments say that he was the reason it dried ; Directly/ Indirectly
Pranit Pawar Stalin died in 1953, the Aral Sea began to dry up a few years later. Diverting the rivers that fed the Aral Sea was part of Stalin’s plan to transform the desert into agricultural land.
@@ashgreninja7521 they weren't just civilian cities they were home to military bases. Also we bombed them because we were at war with Japan and seeking to end said war. Anyways this has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.
I have a boardgame from 2004 about building railroads in the former USSR that still showed the Aral Sea. You could even buy a ferry across the Sea. Hard to believe even then that the Aral Sea was a mere shadow of what it was.
Too bad there are no plans for anything in the foreseeable future. The world is going into a prolonged deep economic depression. Nobody will see any sea over there. 👀
Stalin die in 1953. I just wanted you to have this information) And check some information. After him was Khrushchev, who canceled all the achievements and decisions of Stalin. And he died only in 1971.
@@johnreed188 I wouldn't say he cancelled all of them. There's this and the fact that they stayed in Central Europe until Gorbachev told the old Soviet puppets they weren't going to enforce communist tyranny for them anymore.
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the city dust storm video at 4:16 is actually Las Vegas, NV. The Carls Jr visible in the foreground is located at the intersection of St Louis Ave and Las Vegas Blvd. The video appears to be taken from one of the SLS Hotel towers (formerly the Sahara resort), located at Sahara & Las Vegas Blvd, towards the north. Downtown Las Vegas can be seen in the distance, with the Plaza Hotel and Golden Nugget clearly visible.
tanker2406, I'm Fine to use it as a reference, Not sure he was misreprenting, but as someone trained in Library and Information systems, then the author can put a subtitle, saying "This is an example of what it may have looked like - Las Vegas {year} {website address}." This stops any distraction from the original reason for the use of the picture, and credits where due if required.
The aral sea now is one of those secondary-ish characters that has it’s own cult, I’m pretty sure that now, somewhere in the depths of the internet, there’s a legit gofundme from the aral cult to hire a necromancer, resurrect stalin, and crucify him right in the middle of the Aral desert for his sins
That guy's not my idol, but he really is awfully solid. I find myself unable to accept only his stance on single-payer health care. (He's against it.) If only his thought were carefully studied by every government leader and every cabinet around the world.
@Mastodon1976 I notice things that I think he wraps up too neatly, but then he probably knows more about them than I do. On the whole I regard him not as the cleverest, but clever at any rate. I appreciate the many basic things he's got right, things which are under threat as each generation proves inferior to the one before. I guess I share some of his social values for the most part, and he articulates them fairly well, which does little to chill my regard for him. I think he has far more respect for others than any of his opposite counterparts who themselves never tire of demanding respect and who as a matter of fact seem to know nothing about it.
@@adamender9092 All of the decisions were made by the state so no, exploiting the environment doesn't mean capitalism, communist states can also exploit the environment.
The decision was made by Stalin. Communism literally means no social classes and no state ownership. Communism in it's actual form has never actually existed on earth as a government. Any government that says it is communist does so, so that people believe they have equal say. Notive how all the places which are supposedly communist all have leaders.
@@Interitus1 Yeah you are right the USSR indeed wasnt a true communist state, as this has never been achieved, so yeah instead we could say socialist, the USSR was definitely socialist.
@@sotirissotergi nope, the Soviet Union was a fascist government and fascism is literally the end goal of the Capitalists in that it is their banks taking full control of the government's authority, the Soviet Union was literally the exact opposite of Socialism
I think the lake is a good metaphor for communism. They tried so hard to implement it, but in the end it was super inefficient and not worth it. Eventually it devastates the area that practices it and even after it's gone, it's still causing major problems.
@@greveeen Russia WAS communist (I'm from there), China is ran by the Communist Party of China, and Singapore's constitution specifically states that the government represents the workers. The definition of socialism is when the workers own the means of the production. Since Singapore owns pretty much all means of production within the country, it's easy to say they're market socialists.
Interesting, but I think your 'reaching' in regards to calling this the "cobra effect". Another name for it could simply be 'making a mistake'. Because there was no real problem to be solved. it was a Soviet engineering project that lacked foresight and made bad decisions. There was no real original problem but they created a catastrophy.
@@rogerf3675 its you Roger, you dont understand how Communism works bc its not what anyone in America wants. Youre trying to turn apples into basketballs and its just tiring how the right keeps denying what their own party has and is doing. If the last year didnt teach you anything, the governement doesnt care about you unless youre so rich you dont have to pay taxes anymore and can just lobby to buy the 'law makers' who should represent you but would rather pander some fake scenario so you feel better being scared about losing your right to shoot cans in the desert yelling 'Merica!.
Exactly right. People think the communists were bad, today's psudo-communists, I mean every professors of social science and their students, are even worse. Especially those climate change fanatics, they are responsible for it.
His counterparts today, now that ISIL apparently is rooted out, are the Western stooges who say we can perfect humanity. All we have to do is take away all its rights, deluge it with commands, arrest and imprison the disobedient, and strike terror into the hearts of the rest. Like ISIL, but out of Yale and Berkeley. (E.g. no men, no women, no races, but it's all about race and there are really 100+ "genders".) Stalin, from hell, 2021: "Oh, these guys are _good. Really_ good."
@@seanleith5312 Yes. And it's the fanaticism that's the problem. But it's revealing to trace the roots. Among my most surprising finds of the past few years was a documentary commissioned by the NYT (I know!) in 2018, probably by some oldsters there who barely got away with it, or didn't. It's called Operation Infektion, running time approaching an hour but it goes by very quickly, well-produced and -written, cogently presented. It traces Western and especially American self-doubt and self-loathing back to an active campaign to foster them in the years before 1990. If you enjoy being surprised it could be your cup of tea. It's here on RU-vid. Go for the film, not the clips. (And it's probably still on the video section of the Times site.)
@@joedirt6212 socialism is basically gateway communism. Also, I'd like to clarify that I mean "is ours" becoming "was ours" perfectly summarizes communism.
That's a poor outlook. The area still exists and there's still tins to see, it's just different. Viewing once sunk boats on the surface would be really cool.
There are plenty of breathtaking places to visit that are also dangerous, but only for prolonged periods of time. Visiting this dead lake wouldn't hurt you If you were there for only a short time.
@@hashbrownz1999 I mean, would you visit chernobyl? like it's ok to visit an active supervolcano like Yellowstone, or a very dangerous ocean, but we're talking about radiation here, even a short time is enough to mutate your cells to give you cancer, yes you'll not die from radiation itself but it's effects on your body I'm referring to Nuclear Radiation, not tv nor sun radiation, though they might be harmful too
They won't bother explaining it. This is how it works. Replace Stalin/Soviet/Russians/Putin/... Just look at the comments! Logic and propaganda results don't get along.
You're right, although the idea for it came from his 1948 Great Plan for the Transformation of Nature. Doesn't matter too much if it happened under Stalin, Khrushchev or Brezhnev's oversight, the point is that the Soviet Union was an absolutely horrible place.
the aral sea is like the story of the lorax a resource is overused and someone tries to stop it from being completely used up, but is too late, and its left to those afterwards to restore it
Like Biden cares about the Afghan, Syrian and Palestnian kids being bombed in the name of isis and hamas. Like MBS cares about Yemeni men and women dying everyday. Like erdogan cares about the kurds.
Stalin's quotes like " Where there's a man there's a problem. No man, no problem." AND when presented w/ statistics that a million of his countrymen were murdered at his behest, he always responded with: "Kill a million more." That is the mindset of communist "leaders" like Mao Zedong and Joe Biden.
The difference is that salton sea was a manmade lake with no proper ebb and flow which is why it's turning into a manmade disaster the Aral sea was a natural body of water destroyed by the stupidity of a man and the system that gave him power ,communism for every good thing that it did ,did a hundred evil and often irreversible things murder,destruction of property, the environment and whole cultures in order to do something stupid and worthless to humanity! The Aral sea fed and clothed the people who surrounded it ,the communist destroyed not only the sea but the lives of everyone in a whole region forever!
The Salton Sea was not man made, the Colorado River emptied into that basin to form the lake. The Colorado River has changed course many times all on it's own without human help.
