Why We'll Never Have the Perfect Controller - Cheddar Explains 

What's your hot take on best controller to date?

No one: Cheddar: “Look at the size of that thing!”, proceeds to give no reference to compare size of that thing to

All you did was a slight history on controllers. You never answered the question.

"LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT THING!" *Gives no frame of reference

"why we'll never have the perfect controller" - offers no theory or insight as to why this might be true. Thanks, Cheddar.

The reason we’ll never have the perfect controller is because the GameCube controller is missing a shoulder button.

"Look at the size of that thing" how am I supposed to see the size if there is nothing for scale near by?

Talking about video game controllers; Talks about pro players; Proceeds showing League pro players, who obviously don't use controllers.

But... you never answered the question!

She: "Why we'll never have a perfect controller" *puts the GameCube Controller on the thumbnail* Me: ExCusE me WhAt tHE fUCk

“Without a controller, there is no game.” Well no shit.

Soooo.... why won’t we have a perfect controller? This was just a documentary of ergonomics in controllers

N64 best controller, I hate not having a grip for my third hand

But the gamecube controller already exists....

2:05 How do you get to be Sony's president, a classically trained musician and an accomplished jet pilot?!

>Makes a video called “Why we’ll never have the perfect controller” >Uses the only perfect controller as the thumbnail

"... Has come a long way. Or HAS it? *vsauce intensifies*

0:04 The size is hard to identify, as the object is shown in isolation.

Additional information. Nintendo have a patent on the + style d-pad. That's why all other game companies had to redesign their d-pad.

"Look at the size of that thing!" - _neglects to show near other items for scale, instead choosing to _*_zoom in_* -

ehem.... no. Gamecube was before Xbox. They were the first to have that design. Get ur facts straight

But the RE4 chainsaw already exists.

"measured the most popular controllers..." Instantly proceeds to show The Duke controller, possibly one of the most hated controllers ever made...

This video has completely ignored xbox's adaptive controller, which was developed to allow games to be accessible to as many people as possible.

When I first held an Xbox one controller, I was amazed with how well it fell into my hands compared to generations prior. Sony's ps5 redesign definitely took some ergonomic notes from Xbox, showing we are definitely going somewhere when it comes to controller layout and comfort.

RE: controller ergonomics Oculus Touch is my all time favorite controllers. To me, they are the closest I've ever felt to a controller being simply a natural extension of my hands.

Thumbs Down!! There is No link to the sources used. You are especially missing the standard of ergonomics used for this video.

You didn’t actually answer the question though...

The Gamecube controller precedes the XBox controller, tho.

When your thumbnail contradicts the whole video. Melee Life.

I'm surprised no one's said "my favorite controller is a keyboard" yet.

Everyone knows the best controller is the Phantasy Star Online Keyboard Gamecube controller

*However, we still gonna smash and blame the controllers when we lost*

>video on console controllers >clip of league of legends esports

1:37, wow that’s a really young Paul Rudd. Had no idea he was acting back then.

2:14 That conducting is anything but casual. Notice he does not have a score and his eyes are free to focus on giving the orchestra cues. This means he would have studied the piece well enough so that he knows it inside and out. That's a sign of a hard-core conductor.

The gamecube controller is the perfect controller. The Nintendo Switch version of the gamecube controller, the one with the extra Z button; and the new analog stick clicker buttons... ...that controller is a godsend. Also I want a usb Duke controller

"Why we'll never have the perfect contoller"... but you have the Gamecube controller right there in the thumbnail?!

Xbox one change the dpad because Nintendo patent is discontinued in 2011

"or has it?" *Vsauce music plays*

"Why well never have the perfect controller" Thumbnail is picture of perfect controller

The first PlayStation controller was not called the dualshock

1:24: The Dual Shock was notoriously uncomfortable for human hands until the PS4 era.

My fav controller has always been xbox 360. And i actually liked the duke controller on the original xbox. Being someone with larger hands i find a lot of controllers are too small. Infact i find it hard to play playstation for long periods because i find the controller too small.

GC Controller: exists Cheddar: why we will never have the perfect controller

> GameCube controller is supposedly the perfect controller? But it's lacing a second Z-button. That's a glaring issue. Alongside the second start button (select, view, minus) and the spaced out face buttons. Far from perfect. - Edit: but it's not a bad controller. Just not perfect.

Wow, you're just gonna skip the Sega Saturn and how they influenced Nintendo to use the analog sick???

My favorite controller is the switch pro controller, theres just something about it that’s different from the others

0:35 I refuse to believe that is the most ergonomic. Idek where to grip that!

3:23 UUUGHH! the way that guys is holding the N64 Control is giving me nightmares...

I see y'all left out the wii controller. It's not a perfect console, but I never had any issues with accessing the buttons

Xbox 360 controller: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?

"This was the controller for the first video game console" *doesn't say what console it was* googled it: Magnavox Odyssey

I have regularly used Atari, SNES, N64, DreamCast, XBOX, GameCube, Wii, PS3, Xbox 360, PS4, Xbox One, and Switch. Xbox 360 was by far my favorite. The shape, the size, the weight, the durability, the feel, the layout, the ease of use were all there. It was as close to perfect as I could have asked for and would use it on any console today if I could. Atari was good for what it was: an early at-home console with limited power. The controller fit the games well mostly, and it performed well, but it did get annoying having one hand as a paperweight. SNES was also not bad, but didn't really ever seem too comfortable. N64 might have changed now that they explained the third prong, but the button layout is just so tough to get back into after playing more modern consoles. DreamCast was actually pretty good and my controllers have held up for roughly 20 years. A little bulky with small triggers and very short wires, a little flat as well, but overall definitely useable. XBOX controllers were always odd to me and seemed really massive compared to its counterparts out there. GameCube controllers were actually really sturdy and had a fantastic size and weight, but the button layout with 1 bumper, and the oddly shaped ABXY layout always threw me off, but better than XBOX. Wii was good for the games it had, but not really comparable to the others. PS3 is the first one with real gripes. The controller was light, but always creaked when I held it, making sounds like it was going to snap apart. The controller was also way too small for my hands, and it was extremely annoying to play with. Xbox 360 was beautiful (as mentioned above). Would use on any console if I could get it to work right. PS4 is a pretty well-balanced controller. I don't use much of the fancy features and the pad is overwhelmingly useless to me (not bad, just a non-factor), but the shape is great and it is much more durable than the PS3. Much more sturdy, but I do miss the left dialog stick at the top. Xbox One is a controller I can't use. It's too bulky, too spaced out, breaks incredibly easily. We had Xbox Ones and PS4s in college and the Xbox One would always have stuck or missing buttons and the dialog sticks would wear so much faster. For comparison, I rotate my PS4 controllers when I play by myself, and they still have the grip after being used in that same environment in college to now. The Switch controllers are definitely different and I like the mobility, but I'm not a huge fan of the controllers. They're too flat, big, and small at the same time. But, they're definitely useable and mobile, so there's a bit of a tradeoff.

The steam controller is pretty great it had so much customization and the gyroscope too bad they don't have attacable analog sticks

5:04 are you suggesting most people have a thumb that is 1 inch longer on their left hand? Curious, as you suggest the controllers analog sticks were set into the natural position for hands. That would suggest they would be in identical positions since the frame of the controller is symmetrical. Also, Why are you constantly suggesting some random woman designed the controller when the person who designed it is very well known....

What level of amateur designs the boards before the shape of the device is finalised? Now that is a major screw up.

1:37 Damn... Ant man really did get in to that time vortex!

Tbh theres a fundamental problem with the whole concept of a controller- you hands are NOT designed for continous repetitive motion no matter how ergonomically designed it becomes. U can extend maybe a players comfort for a few more hours, but the human body is not designed for fixed repetitive motions HOURS on end. Thats why even office workers get carpal tunnel syndrome, arthiritis and severe eye strain over prolonged chronic repetitive use. Pro gamers suffer and take on the strain of countless hours of game play which pose risk of back injury, eye strain and arthiritis at the least. What's the best solution...seriously....variation in movement, taking frequent rest breaks to give the body at break. Thats just it. Cause the human body itself has their own limitations. We are designed for varied movements, not stressing the same muscles and tendons over and over again.

The SN30 Pro is pretty damn spectacular. After getting used to the stick being low, I fucking love it. The shape fits perfectly in my hands and all the buttons feel great. It's a great controller for all kinds of games. I use it for DS, GCN, N64, and GBA.

Title: "Why We'll Never Have the Perfect Controller" Thumbnail: A perfect controller

0:04 “Look at the SIZE of that!” - nothing to reference the scale with... Fail

Not gonna lie, other then battery life. Wii U controller yeah that big thing with the screen in the middle. Feels so good in your hands, might be the best controller

I wasn't expecting much from that video, I clicked on it thinking "yet another click-baity title, with most likely low-effort content behind it". I didn't know your channel, and was actually pleasantly surprised by the quality of the video itself. Good job, keep it up guys !

“Why we’ll never have the perfect controller” Said someone who clearly never held the PlayStation DualShock for the first time on ps1/ps2 and realised this was peak controller design. Holds so beautifully in your hands and so comfortably it’s why PlayStation have never changed it much.

I do feel the need to point out that the GameCube controller came out earlier than the Xbox, so Nintendo were the first to use offset sticks if I'm not mistaken.

You fool you’ve got the perfect controller right there on the thumbnail

Cheddar: *there's no perfect controller* PC Gamer: * *chuckles* *

I love the WiiU Gamepad simply because of the Logic of it all. It's got the joysticks where your thumbs rest (on top, great for FPS), and the large size and comfortable weight kept my hands from cramping. The screen and gyro mean that you can make micro-adjustments to your aim using motion, addressing the main problem with pure-stick aim. Some people hate it, and that's understandable, but I love the gamepad. The pro controller is alright too.

My favourite controller is mouse and keyboard because you actually have control - also games aren't dumbed down because controls aren't a limitation, Borderlands is easier on xbox because it knows you can't aim as well and so it makes it easier to aim but on PC it gives no help because you can look at an exact point immediately

The ps2 controller is the perfect controller. If you disagree, you've never used it.

* PC Elitist smirk * we already have the perfect controller it's called a keybo- * gets shot *

>there will never be a perfect controller What are you talking about, my DS4 is right here

Gamecube: 1. Genious analog triggers with a digital button and the plastic is shaped for your fingers. 2. Perfect sticks. 3. The tetris shaped buttons that allows access for pressing three buttons at the same time and separates them by function. 4. The colours. 5. The standard D-pad. 6. It fits very well with your hands.

The part about Sony wanting to copy the SNES controller layout to make it easier for gamers to transition over is a half-truth at best and a flat out lie at worst. In 1993, Sony had a partnership with Nintendo to make a CD add-on for the SNES, the "Nintendo Play Station". Since it was just a CD add-on, they didn't need to make a controller and used the SNES controller for all their needs. When Nintendo secretly ripped up their contract and went with Phillips instead, that's when Sony ventured out to make the CD add-on it's own console, and re-branded it the "PlayStation". That's when Sony used the SNES controller as the basis for PlayStation, because it was what they were most familiar developing with. Heck, Sony didn't even think about adding analog sticks to their controller until after the N64 released! Sony is always aping Nintendo's best innovations in controller designs!

Hey all, Sc- Wait

I am probably in the minority but I miss the N64 controller.

The Duke is way more comfy then the misshapped this that replaced it

Controller idea: you have two trackballs at the top right and left parts of the controller (where the bumpers currently are), keep the triggers how they are, add another four buttons where each joystick used to be. You could design it better, but i just think its a funny idea

Small gripe. The NES wasn’t the first to use a D pad it was the Game and Watch.

"Look at the size of that thing" shows no reference for size???

Mouse and keyboard masterrace

I really like the steam controller

Put the analogue sticks in the middle of the d-pad and face buttons, lowering the travel time from stick to button, reloading/jumping/interact buttons would be a much quicker access.

I love how at 0:43 they're like "Hey look at all these garbage controllers. Here's a WAY better one". Are you kidding me? That looks terrible. Buttons are too far apart. Its too small. And don't get me started on the grip. How would you even hold that?

Gamecube is the greatest console of all time

I get it, if you talk slowly you can stretch your video more.

The modern Xbox controller is one of the best and has changed very little since the S controller on the original Xbox. ( the Duke is another story.)

Dualshock 3 was the peak for controllers. Thanks.

There's sort of an answer at 7:29 which states that since we're accustomed to the original controller designs with slight modifications (ps and xbox) there won't necessarily be new development in controller ergonomics and design.

It is obviously the Donkey Konga drums for gamecube. Don't at me.

The Gamecube controller is still the best one.

Xbox's Duke controller was/is one of the most hideous and uncomfortable controllers ever made 🤷‍♂️ and I got big hands 😂

My favourite controllers? PlayStation DualShock 4 (though 2 and 3 are still great to hold and use) and the Wii U Pro Controller; these two are the most comfortable controllers to hold, and the designs are great - aligned analog sticks are, personally speaking, inherently superior to unaligned sticks, meaning Xbox's controllers and the Switch controllers are nowhere near as comfortable. Furthermore, because I grew up with the PS2 Slim and the DS Lite, I know exactly where each button is on the controller; A? Rightmost button. Y? Leftmost button? Cross? Bottom-most button. Triangle? Topmost button. I personally hate Xbox controllers and all PC controllers based on it, because they fail both these requirements - they have unaligned sticks and lettered buttons in the incorrect order for what I've used for over a decade. As for the Gamecube controller...it's hard to distinguish X and Y from each other without checking, the analog stick is stiff, and the C-Stick is small and in an awkward location - alongside being unaligned. The only time I prefer the Gamecube controller is when I'm playing Majora's Mask; it's much easier to pull off perfectly-straight Goron rolls using the Gamecube's octagonal analog stick boundary than it is using the 3DS's circular perimeter (the Goron section in the final area is HELL on 3DS, solely because it relies on dead-straight rolling and jumping on narrow platforms over a huge bottomless pit). As for the Wiimotes...don't even get me started; motion controls are nonfunctional garbage that automatically makes every single game that focuses on them instantly less enjoyable to play. Ugh. The Wii U made them a tertiary option, if not a non-option depending on the game; a decision that made that particular console my absolute favourite Nintendo home console - but Nintendo just HAD to bring motion controls back with the Switch...bastards.

Actually, the D-Pad was first used on a Nintendo Game & Watch system dating 1981-1983 (don’t know the exact year

Gamecube controller is all i need it is... *perfect*

Keyboard and Mouse all the way! PC gamers represent!

Omg I thought This was an old vid But I am first

There is no perfect controller but there are ones that are best at different things, in my opinion, the GameCube controller is the most comfortable, while the ps4 or Xbox one controller are the most versatile. For the best aim, a mouse is needed.

It’s nice to see a video about controllers and just having the word cheddar in the top right corner