Why Windows Phone Failed - And How They Could've Saved It 

@El Mundo Mobile site was decent for playing. At that time I could listen with the screen off to music, but that free feature's gone now...

Yess, I remember that too. At least I could play music in background.

XD

That's because Microsoft previously developed a RU-vid app that was even better than the official one for Android once Google got caught wind of this they threatened to sue Microsoft so because of that the RU-vid app was gone.

Actually the original app was awesome but there was some issue (with Google?) which made them change it

Windows phone did a lot of things right, but I agree, the lack of apps totally killed it

@@StewartLucrative A better looking UI would've drawn in more users at the very beggining. More users would most likely mean more interest in developers to make apps and games for that OS.

six guns was the best game

Its not all lost they are building core kernel hybrid backwards compatible with Linux..But they can't beat Darwin UNIX anytime soon....less code less processing

Until this day I'm still not satisfied with Android's UI. Those live tiles were the best thing ever.

And that they added the tile system to PC. Ewwww lol

@@suryansh4733 Fortunately, Microsoft is in better hands at the moment.

Nokia is actually rising rn

Nokia decided to use Windows Phone OS. They could have used Android but they didn't want to

Like what EA Games did to Maxis and Bioware.

just go via browser brah

Vftvggvgv n

Preach lol

MyTube was a great app for RU-vid. I used a Windows Phone in about 2013...Lumia 625. Great OS, great UI, great phone for the price. And I am saying this as someone who is an avid desktop Linux user since like 2009. Very much a shame in that they basically killed of Nokia's projects...Maemo might've been a great OS otherwise

@@halcyonoutlander2105 _its a window_

Hi. How's teddy.

Having superior hardware alone does not win a platform war, Nintendo proved it, Sony proved it and now Apple and Google proved it. If you failed to entice third-parties to develop software and hardware for your system platform then you will simply fail, meanwhile the very same developers will move on to other more lucrative competing platforms.

It was the biggest flaw of WP. But they had outstanding build quality. I've a Lumia 525 which still buttery smooth

My mum has a windows phone, it lacked apps, very incompatible with most web applications, hardly any social media apps, old dull windows 8 UI. Seemed more like a phone for kids than adults

Tech Showdown same

Christopher Montilla So , microsoft should have raised salaries of developers to encourage them to creat windows phones’ apps?

I always thought it was because they didn't market to the right crowd. They went for iPhone users and that was a mistake, they should have gone for the corporate people and businesses, making more of a tool and not a fashion item like the iPhone.

Christopher Montilla Android was able to make many more apps due to its foundation of Linux made programming a cinch whereas M$ has always charged crazy $$$ to use their programming

Filip Cordas but companies actually caught on fast to Androids and iPhones both again was due to the open source programming which meant they could develop apps to interface with their existing platform programs which 9/10 was a Unix type.

@@robocoastie That makes a lot of sense. MS could have done much to address that, at least gone down an iOS-ish route.

I remember having a costlier lumia phone, which wouldn't upgrade to higher software version, and cheaper newer phones did better. As a user I felt fairly annoyed.

they did this like, twice

I remember having a Windows Phone 7.8 and being pissed that I couldn't upgrade to the more advanced Windows Phone 8.

Oh God, I was so pissed about this!

Spot on!

It's not only lack of developers, it is all about M$ keep changing the core of WP OS every 2 years, lies to their consumers, when WP8 is announce, said all WP7 phones can be upgrade, afterward, none of the WP7 devices can upgrade to the 8 OS. 2, 3 years later they announce WIN 10 mobile, said those WP8.1 models can be upgrade... endup, only 3 or 4 devices can upgrade.

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Well said

The problem wasn't underestimating the competitors as much as the ability for tech to improve. At the time, iPhone had a large chance of being a failure. While the first few generations would have had amazing sales, if Apple didn't eventually get to the point where the camera, web browser and media player were "good enough" for a not too expensive price... But in 2010, Apple did just that. The iPhone 4 reached the level where they were able to be a good enough phone, good enough camera, good enough browser, and good enough app experience. The tech that was ahead of it's time (meaning tech that existed but couldn't be fully utilized because of the limitations of other necessary tech) finally could shine, because the other tech caught up.

Vaijanath Madugolkar 3 options: iOS Android..... Housephone🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🙇🏽‍♂️😂 /bklyn👑

@@robertmotion 😂

Well wait for Huawei's OS luckily I don't live in the USA

@@ProfSmug it will be Android like fire OS...

@@ProfSmug it will fail because no one will buy it even if it has Android apps lel

@Jack Stroup yep, how the tables have turned... apple is more of a mess every year and microsoft's product line more impeccable every year

@@YaroLord Windows is still a mess tho. And will continue that way because Microsoft is now fully invested in the cloud and not the OS

First of all, I am not an Apple fan. IMO, the similarity between Cook and Balmer is they both are non-technical people, both are from the business-administration background. But the difference is Balmer pretends and even showing off he knew the technical matter (and drive engineering to follow him) but Cook did not. You can see in WWDC since Cook took over, he only opened it and let others presented. But also IMO some product under Cook completely f***ed user experiences, for instance: MacBook PRO without proper useable USB-A connectors (whom PROfessionals were still using). Well, they were very loose in interpreting the word "PRO" in their product.

@@sriramsundar8388 The PRO is whatever peripherals I have, I can easily connect without any f***in adapters. I had MBP 7.1 when I was a freelance photographer (side job/hobby). With that machine I can transfer raw file either using USB cable or stick card directly to laptop. When I need to backup to external drive, I can connect either with USB or FireWire. Also whenever WiFi connection not available, I can connect to RJ45 ethernet cable and with 2 clicks can broadcast a local WiFi. And I'm not f***in alone, My marine surveyor partner, positioning crews, all had problem with design of new (at that time) MBP. All the stuffs you mentioned meant bullshits for us. Who does connect an MBP to 4 monitors? Who is using using USB-C for connecting flashdisk, external HDD?. My nephew has MBP retina 13". He followed my footstep as freelance photographer and (unfortunately) MBP owner. To make a simple raw file transfer the workload is double and he needs to utilize dongle/adapter ffs. Despite all those idiocies, their steps to ARMed Mac, I highly praised. The closest ARM desktop I have now is Raspberry Pi.

@Jack Stroup exactly

Developers developers

2007, Steve Balmer reacting to the iPhone: "that is the most expensive smartphone I've ever seen" 2018, Apple: "just hold my beer buddy"

Bongo Congratulations! You made a bot that repeats comments! You must be a coding wizard! Your mother is so proud of you!

2018, Apple: "That's because you haven't seen the prices of the latest iPhone Xs, Xs Max, and XR yet!"

I used an Iphone the other day for the first time in about 9 years. Peice of shit

Same

my lumia was my love. :(

Lumia 1020 have still even Today the best Camera.

@@arziel340 large resolutions arent enough to be the best, it's also about encoding and sensor size snd diaphragm, then there's xiaomi's 108mp if we're on that

Same 😖

Are you also using a horse to get to work

No @@imGenji on foot. Maybe worse than horse. I love that little phone. After watching this I bought a new back cover (green) to give it new life (current case is cracked and sellotaped. Works well and had been dropped many times. I do not want to give it up. I come close to buying a new phone but hate the fact my current phone works so don't want to replace it. Only gripes are the app store and camera quality.

950 gang here. Still alive and using it as my daily

Lumia 520 here. For what I use (whatsapp; maps; music player and fitness tracker), serves me well even today

@Gareth Fairclough Did your Outlook Mail and Calendar stop working after the latest update? Also, I picked up a new battery for my 930 off of the Wal-Mart website. You might wanna check there for any deals

Exactly, the black background ❤️, I loved it , but lack of even basis apps 😓

Personally I didn't really like the GUI but it was clean and quite different from everything else at the time. The app ecosystem sucked donkey butts though.

I just loved adjusting the size of the tiles, etc.

Nah it was Microsoft pulling its head out of its ass four years too late. At that time it was a me too company in pretty much everything it did. The original xbox against playstation 2, (fail), Zune against iPod (fail), Microsoft Band against everything else (fail). As for the times when they came up with something original, they shot themselves in the foot as soon as the race began (MSN Watch, MSN PlayForSure, Windows Phone just to name a few).

Second or third "generation" (windows phone 10) - maybe. But windows phone 7 was the worst os I've ever used, and I am not speaking about apps. Multitasking ? Separate volume slider for media and for calls ? Email application ? Settings menu capable of something ? Ability to get your media not from crappy zune software ? Memory card slot ? They copied apple approach, but made their OS worse in every possible way. And, just in case - I used it for a month or so, HTC mozart with windows phone 7.5.

True

Ikr! I loved the UI. So much better than Android imo.

My first smartphone was a Lumia 920. I've been salivating for years for a palmtop with cellphone capabilities ever since 2000, and now I finally got one. RIP Nokia, RIP WPhone7.

Well I hated the Windows phone for one reason -- it was very hard to use/ setup. In typical MS fashion there wasn't, for example, one place to turn off mobile data. No, there was about four different, buried locations to seek out before that could be done! Also, the huge pulsing tiles did my head in too. But imho what really killed the MS phone was MS trying to copy iphone instead of leading innovating themselves. Well that and the fact that MS have a lot of hubris -- they could have copied Google phone (and played the market share game that way; like they did with Windows vs Mac OS) but hey MS thinks that they are market leaders and have to jump right in there!

@@drugsilove2364 As for Nokia, the Nokia phone continues to stand (although via HMD as the 'sub-contractor' of sorts) nowadays. Come 4 Dec 2018 Qualcomm is known to officially launch the 855/8150 SoC & day after i.e. 5 Dec 2018 in Dubai, 3 new Nokia phone models known for official launch by HMD...i won't be surprised at all if the 3rd model on the list were to use the 855/8150 to get the ball rolling into the 5G era with top class Zeiss cameras as the standard equipment in the top end Nokia phones, as per Nokia tradition. As for keyless touchscreen phone design, Nokia did have working units of such phones around 2005 before the 1st Apple phones were launched. It appeared Nokia deemed it 'pre-mature' back then to produce for mass sales...rest is history.

I still got one, the very last one Nokia made Lumia 720

I just switched to Android last month, my Microsoft Lumia 640 XL is still working very well anyways

Joe Morales Still missing Windows Mobile 6.x . Far superior to it's successors. But instead Microsoft removed all backward compatibility with existing apps and hardware. Converting apps was near impossible. The MS appstore had all the restrictions of Apple's AppStore with no benefits. Same for apps designed for Nokia's systems (Symbian and Maemo). Microsoft's last ditch "fix" was a system for porting Windows Phone apps to Android and iPhone, not the other way around. They also kept artificially preventing ports of apps from other Windows systems.

I still use one as well. Lumia 530, little cheap Windows Phone 8.1 device, but it's nice. I really miss my Lumia 650 though, but the screen broke

Me too

Wouldn't that be Illegal?

Windows phone was the reason Lumia failed... Even my old Nokia E5 had more features than the mid range Lumia device I used for like 4 months before I ditched it for a real smartphone with Android

@@Coolsomeone234 In theory, but Microsoft tried to make a RU-vid app for Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone 8, even gave the credit to Google, but Google still sued them

Google strategy: dont let them use the google stuff and they will switch to android Apple Strategy: SUE THEM FOR HAVING SQUARE PHONES Microsoft startegy: none

I used to use Google Music Play through the browser on my Windows Phone (Lumia 920), then one day all i would get is page telling me to get the Google Music app, which didn't exist on the MS app store, they were literally redirecting me to the Google Play Store.

True I even liked the UI but it was the lack of apps that killed it

True. I love the UI

@Suning Starseeker I sure hope so. I totally prefer Windows gadgets to any other n I dread not having my Win Phone ever again. tech life without it right now is pretty unsatisfactory.

Symnian is GOD ! Hohoohohohooho dead Symbian , sucks

I also agree, Windows phone was very responsive and i loved the dark, uncomplicated OS. But the lack of basic apps stung too hard to ignore. Honestly, in a world of Web Apps it probably would have been better for it to come out now so they could just use web versions of any app that wasn’t going to immediately receive a native version. A lot easier and more realistic for app developers in the short term anyway, and they don’t have to fully commit to a windows phone environment anyway.

Microsoft's CEO's name is Bill Gates.

Microsoft's CEO's name is Satya

@@jacobg.witmer was Steve Ballmer

Okay.

because thats a good name for mobile CEO's these days

thrftings or a brain, for that matter

That CEO sucked

Ok?

@@tsrpmaster3201 among us pfp 🙄

@@luclucyy7132 How can you dislike Among Us 😐

This music is scary to you? Play Resident Evil on the PlayStation / N64 and listen to that music.

Better yet look up Unsolved Mysteries tv program, Amazon prime have the full episodes up. Now that's the epitome of scary music.

House of farts what is that name

Lol I was thinking that too!

We was

I rather liked the exclusive apps for WP... also liked how my phone would auto reply to texts while i was driving and it wasnt an application I had to download, it was a setting in the phone. Every phone should have this option :(

I loved that phone, I gave it to my sister in law later that year and purchased a nexus 4 which was amazing.

Same. Had a Nokia Lumia 520 & then, Lumia 640 XL. The functionality & navigation was something I loved & still miss to some degree. But the lack of apps (& lack of updates for the apps available) gave me no choice but to switch to Android.

Apps weren't actually the issue. It was your overriding desire to buy what the other people around you had. Because you are a follower. That is the real problem. That is why Sony and HTC pulled their phones from the US. Because everyone wants what someone else has. The US is just a sea of iPhones and Samsungs. They don't really even know why they copy. They just do it. Look at the phones of twenty people in a day. It will only be Apple and Samsung

@@francisgilbert6982 It's not just about copying or wanting something just cause others have it. When you have a technological device under different brands, you buy what would be the most optimized device for you & what offers the most choices because that's the whole point of technology. Otherwise, why even buy it in the 1st place? And no matter the reason, in the end, Windows didn't offer those options. If there's A, B & C, and A & B clearly offer much more options than C, what are you likely to choose? And if you clearly don't care for apps & think it's joining the bandwagon, then the best option would be a flip phone, right? But how many people have that, even in India?

But Chinese phones built on Samsung's components are much better than nokia android.

Not the same Nokia though 😢😢

It's not Nokia, but a different company that bought their name. Nokia wen't bust after Microsoft let them perish.

It's HMD Global now.

I'm using an android Nokia

It was very much like an iPhone in that it didn't let you have too much control or say in what is actually going on "under the hood". No sideloading, no access to app files (like when an app was storing data like images or whatever, it stored them within it's own private section of storage invisible to everything but itself. Probably a matter of coding, but still), not enough customization options... It's all fine for a "average consumer" but for a more experience tech user it was very limiting. Still, it's the utter and complete lack of apps that killed it.

@@abadenoughdude300 yes for power user which represent 2% of the total market share. The lack of app was fatal indeed.

Still use mine

@@thadiusthudpucker Same! Sadly won't be able to for much longer.

Oh why? May you explain.

yeah. I can imagine installing driver on windows phone.

@@kura4058 i liked the windows phone too... especially nokia lumia. it had the best interface i have seen so far & very interesting tile setup. it could have been easily best phone by now which can be directly integrated to your windows PC's now & seamlessly on work front. sad to see it die

thats very true which has made google become a mobile phone monopoly because if your mobile phone OS cant run any 1st party Google apps then your screwed and google did tons of damage to ensure that Windows phone didnt become a market leader such as making sure that Microsoft's RU-vid app wouldnt work and they even purchased the company that microsoft licensed technology from that allowed microsoft to have NFC tap to pay built in which is why there is an empty settings page on windows 10 mobile

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I think the purchase of Nokia was to ensure they could get phones onto the market with Windows Phone installed on it - no amount of paid for apps would solve the fact no manufacturer wanted to install their OS onto them.

@@bluechang08 they could just partner with everyone then

Microsoft were already making tons of apps especially when windows phone 7 launched. here are some apps: Hydro Thunder Go - Exclusive Hexic Rush - Exclusive Hyperlapse Mobile - also on Android and possibly iOS? Office Mobile - also on Android and iOS File Browser - Exclusive GeoDefense/GeoDefense Swarm - also on iOS as a 32-bit app All of these are on the microsoft store and have some sort of microsoft affiliation to them.

It was plot of Stephen Elop.

@@bluechang08 or maybe they could manufacture their own phone like apple ?

I agree!!

i disagree

Lol😂

It is also to this day the shortest lived OS so, apparently, either the world didnt agree or didnt care.

@@claudiowenzel6416 "shortest lived os" Bada OS and Tizen OS: Are we a joke to you?

Ravi Soni it’s subscribers like you that help push content creators to keep going. Such a genuine compliment. It’s hard to grow on youtube. Thanks for your positive energy

They need to get rid of the back ground music before I can share their videos. Been watching for a long time, but background music is always a mistake.

Thank you, I'm glad you appreciate my work!

If you like him try Company Man he does similar videos but is newer to it but does it with more humour and enthusiasm BC is also great though no argument here on that!

It's very good indeed! I really like these type of videos. If you want more content like this check out ColdFusion

Wp 10 is even better believe me

😂😂😂 grapes r sour 😂

SquareB0t close but that honor has to go to webOS for how much it changed smartphone UI and account integration as baked in the OS. The way we multitask, grab all our accounts for easy login, and even the visual cleanliness of smartphone UI...it comes all from webOS. It’s incredible how much the OS was ahead of its time.

I gotta say back when WP 8.1 had the integrated FB and Twitter features and the ability to see everything under the people tile, THAT WAS EVERYTHING! I was so bummed when they changed it.

So it isn’t anymore?

I agree. I use the Squarehome launcher so at least my home screen looks like it. But it's only the home screen unfortunately..

You argue?? The Windows Phone OS was a rocket compared to a carriage ( Android)

Yeah I had a WP for about 2-2.5 years... my favorite phone easy, I miss it.

@@HenriZwols i also use square home 2 launcher. Perfect replacement for a Windows phone user

I agree with only if you're talking about Windows Phone 8-8.1, Windows 10 Mobile screwed it all.

Alex Dodge those decisions come with alot of pressure, some folks just wouldn't understand.. He's only human

The company is still rising in value. With their cloud services curated for businesses and government agencies they are on a good path. And Bing, surprisingly is a cash cow.

One bad call ! i guess Windows 8 was a good call for you ? A good call would a been to develop silverlight to provide a full UI on top of WIN32. Instead he try to force devs to invest time to a completely new OS.

Omega Man listen big nerd that isn’t a 40billion dollar mistake is it (40B is what gates said at a forum)

One bad call is all it takes when it costed billions and then completely losing a market where it dominated the past decade losing more billions. Shows how slow, reactionary and out of touch the current mamagment is

Same

I am a apple user

I've never used one. What's it like?

Armaan Gupta its very nice, but it has no apps that is the problem

Just sayin

*Microsoft *app selection

Not only that, but MS was constantly playing catch up in terms of features such as control centre, multi tasking etc, MS also was more concerned with releasing their products on Android over their own platform (office suite), they also lied about certain phones getting Windows 10 update.

rajvardhan chauhan I loved Microsoft phones my problem was the App Store it was so limited with no support by Microsoft at all.

@@judneg06 Not entirely true, MS did release tool kits that allowed developers to easily port over both Android and iOS apps to Windows platform with very little code changes. Unfortunately, wasnt successful.

For us yes but for OEM's it was that they charged roughly 15usd per phone to use their OS they should have made it free like Android! I do not disagree with you that they needed to pay app makers to make and support popular apps for windows phone (and buy extension Windows 10!) rather than wasting money buying Nokia!

The new Nokia 8110 looks awesome. The banana phone, litterally, because it's available in yellow.

The colors were the thing that attracted a lot of people that I knew. They were different than the regular smartphones that were mostly black. A lot of people who used phones from the early to mid 2000's always complain about every phone nowadays looking the same, and I can see why.

Momo, 3 expensive phones ? you are a very rich african.

@@PHlophe actually it was not that expensive compared to another flagships

@@PHlophe Models that start at 800 and above (except the 1320) as well as the Icon are considered flagships by Nokia and MS.

Coz they support nokia while Samsung was boosting up hardware n google was upgrading software. That duo makes android win. Other manufacturers made cheap android phones

There is still nothing smoother than a Windows Phone. Dazzling to the eye, flowed like water.

The late versions of symbian was 100% better than early android.

Le phat oof

Yes exactly. I like Windows, but Ballmer was nearly the death of it

Gates got rich by stealing other people's work so...

So u think steve didnt?

Lucio Innocenzo if it wasn’t for Bill Gates you wouldn’t even have Apple as it is. Steve Jobs went to Microsoft for their OS and Bill Gates helped them. Bill Gates has been a visionary and is a great man, leave him alone.

Android 4.3 and up HD incredible UI.

Yes, Windows Phone felt so much better to use then iOS and Android. I would trade up my Note 8 for a supported Windows Phone

Yes i love it because of the simple and fancy UI tiles that can flip over. And also windows os is lighter than android.

@@NootNoot947 I use Square Home launcher to bring the windows phone nostalgia back on Android.

If he secretly possesses an iPhone, how do you know?

People are saying the same thing about headphone jacks. In 10 years no one will care, we'll probably have wireless charging earbuds with 40 hour battery life No sound loss, will completely replace wired.

Who the hell would be embarrassed of something from 11 years ago. Everyone doubted the iPhone, it’s not like he was being arrogant

he isnt the CEO of Microsoft anymore, Satya Nadella is and he is reviving the company and also rumors are going everywhere about a "Surface Phone" that might bring Microsoft back on track

Why would Ballmer have an iPhone? It doesn't even have a full keyboard!

Microsoft were never really that greedy, or they were no more greedy than either Google or Apple but where Microsoft messed up is they were simply just late to that party. They could have easily been where Google is right now and just made contracts with various hardware manufacturers at a good rate but by the time it came up to the plate, it was too late. The cost of developing the hardware for mobile had tripled in the short space of time between 2008 and 2011. Many hardware manufacturers had established markets that used google OS, asking they to change would be asking them to restart their markets. I mean if Samsung s30 or whatever it is comes out with a new OS and ditch Android, Samsung's stock would nose dive into the abyss. So by the time Microsoft came to the party, the drinks were too expensive and all the girls were taken, there was the ex beauty queen who's lived that life a bit and she's had her time (Nokia)... but it was the best Microsoft could get, or rather by that point, the ex beauty queen was the ONLY girl left for Microsoft to partner up with. The rest is all history.

same here :( (Lumia 1520)

Well, they did had NFC but it didn't work to "beam" stuff to android. I remember using it to connect to my car radio.

@@konatadesuka Only thing I used it for was those stupid NFC stickers.

@Tournel Henry I can't remember my exact reasoning but it was for sure annoying me.

Oh yes, the stickers but thanks to lack of software support... they did nothing on WinPho.

I pinned a RU-vid shortcut to my screen, how hard is that? I tap it and RU-vid opens and I'm logged into my account.

Totally agree. They left us nowhere to go. What? You mean I have to buy another phone? See you later Microsoft.

@@alanmodimages it happened twice with Windows 10 mobile. Lots of people couldn't upgrade and we're left behind...

@@58585050 and even if your phone could upgrade (mine did) apps were not longer available and developers had to create new apps for windows 10m, and windows 10m itself didn't work properly. Honestly windows smartphone died the moment w10m was launched.

The 2014 era was amazing with Lumia. I just got one after so many years and the update just destroyed it.

no he isnt. Steve Ballmer did lots of things right its just that external forces from google killed off their mobile business.

Ballmer is from paper pusher background and MS is not an innovating venture but a conservative East Coast company.

He is the main reason

the moment he said passwords around 9:50 i noped out not subtle enough

Even though he glided like butter he killed the vibe there

Just like Linus Tech Tips

@@YaroLord same

I got confused...the way advert. got infused...😀😀😀

Microsoft was nearly THE public enemy for open source community back then. Had Windows Phone OS open sourced would not help them IMO

a lot of the code is proprietory so that things such as the Microsoft Store isnt hacked and users exploited but a lot of it should be made open source

They can't. Selling Windows on PC is their key business

Code Rag its not be the same windows than the pc version..

胡昕 their position to open source has changed. This would be a huge thing to win the hearts of passionate developers & communities. Look at the success they have with vscode.

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Really great that you have still kept it. You have a lot of patience. Keep it up. 👍 😀🤣

@@mgbr2526 lets be friend? :)

@@LearningExpress101 : 👍

I have a Lumia 950, my cousin gave it to me in September 2019, I didn't know there were microsoft phones (because my laptop had been damaged ... a year with nothing XD) and he gave me that one, and really, I liked it a lot, it was not difficult to get used to something new ... I remember that when they gave it to me I personalized it, I cried because I put it in the same color as my laptop: '( He died last month because my sister's dog took him from where he was loading ... and the screen died XD but I really liked the camera, there I shot photos and edited them with picsart

Indeed, pride goes before a fall.

I still have my zunes. I wish they would have taken off instead of flopping

Not true, he had lots of new stuff in the hardware (always on screens, wireless charging, high quality camera usually only seen in actual cameras) and software department. If there was truly nothing new about WP then it wouldn't have taken Android four years to catch up and Apple wouldn't still be behind.

When android 4 came out. It exploded. I remember when I got a cheap tablet that got android 4 and yes. It wasn't even close to my mate 10 pro right now. But it was so advanced. Android 4 is more advanced than IOS 12. And that's not a joke. Android 5 did suck. The design wasn't complete and it was too heavy for the older phones that gor upgraded from 4 to 5. Than 6 came out. It was Great in design. And really a nice fresh UI. Stock android 6 is still nice. Than android 7 came. Worthless just a little bit more security so you can't root. BUT the ui did got a huge boost in speed. Oreo came. This is now the best UI for a mobile device ever made. 9 is now coming and a friend of me has a a2. I used it and I have to be honest. It sucks. It's really heavy vs Oreo. Altough the design is great. It's heavy. And Huawei should stop with their UI. Same for Mi.. They aren't beautiful at all. I hope Huawei makes the UI being lighter in android pie. If you readed this far gimme a like

I switched from my iPod Nano 2nd gen to a Zune HD. The HD radio and non-DRM songs in the Zune store were the big factors in making the switch.

Current proud user of a Lumia 950XL and will be til it dies/breaks on me

Proud user of the Lumia 630 .. @@bluechang08

Andrew (DadofTriplets) how unsupported Windows phone is holding up?

Its still getting updates.. Unsupported my ass

I just gave up my 830, yes updates happened but only to slowly break things that were working the last straw was the camera app stopped working, that and the drive app was getting less and less usable, just felt like they let the interns loose on it. So its off to sailfish for me when I can workout the installation instructions! until then its android spyware it has to be :(

window phone just like angry mob or something.. not much of threat

Oh yes… Live Sight. I remember. Great times, when I used to think, my Lumia was the future...

Yes Nokia maps was absolutely revolutionary on the windows phone and now I have it on my Android. The also had an amazing music app they pulled after only having the phone for 6 months Nokia Music 🎶

You can also thank Microsoft for features like the glance screen and dark mode (Which is just now being implemented in Android and there's no sign of it yet for iOS)

I had a Lumia 630

I had lumia 620 and it died

@@tazzess yes and now the stor is not working on my windows phone

@@tazzess store*

Ritz Kola lmfao

Did you get your ass kicked a lot like Steve Urkel?

Hahaha me too. Bought it because the specs were too good for the price, now i know why (Microsoft subsidies).

lmao

Still using one in 2019

Yess

Agree, giving it some more time and investing correctly the phone eventually would have gotten apps and picked up. Tho they are trying to make a windows phone that can run Android apps now. Biggest bright side to Microsoft Windows is the unlimited updates vs Android goes out of date and gets buggy

dimis164 it was starting to be appealing to me actually with the Nokia Lumia

I’m sorry, but that’s deluded. The OS had so many years to gain traction. It was not going to turn around.

Agreed

Yessssss

Trust me, it could perform like new for years if Microsoft and Samsung made windows phone

@@shubhangbhavsar samsung actually made windows Phone, I recall my friend had it.

Because mobile wasn't a big market for them. Microsoft is a big player in PC and especially Enterprise Software.

He was with them since the beginning. He was friends will Bill Gates in their college days at Harvard before Microsoft.

@@TSBye-qo1vc Sure. I don't know the business details but I think he didn't perform or take the company as far as before or after he was CEO. The mobile venture is only part of it. I think MS stumbled overall under him and that's why I wonder how he stayed for as long as he did. MS today is doing fantastic.

Politics

*It's called destiny* .

he was not, he was creator of windows 8.

Windows 8 is only slightly less crappy than Windows 98.

@@davidpoole468in my opinion, windows 8 is a quite revolutionary os but it was affected by a conservative user base. I am using windows 8 and i am very happy. Windows 10 is a step back. The company was afraid of losing few users in favor of mac or chromebook.

@@richardsdma The last personal machine I had windows installed on was a vista box. When Balmer and company offered free upgrades to Windows 8 for Windows 7 users but not for Vista users, I decided I would stop licensing Microsoft software on my personal machines; I've been a satisfied MacOS user since 2015, having been a Microsoft user since the early 1980s. The only time I run any version of windows these days is when someone is paying me to. As a SQL Server developer, I've had clients running Win 7, Win 8, and Win 10, all of which make me glad I'm not paying for any of it.

@@richardsdma Windows 8 is fugly, that's why they killed it quickly.

That what happen when you provide a free GUI librairy and free documentation and consistency in your OS. The developers tend to respect then. When you are developing a software for Apple, In general you software will work for a least 3 version on OS. And because of that, you can put all your energy to improve your software. On the Microsoft side, the developer are screwed almost every version. and they have to produced patch for every version.

Because Apple makes elegant hardware that feel like luxury products, and attract more high-income consumers. Manufacturers will put up with a lot more to have inroads to these buyers.

@@potcha Oppo makes beautiful and cheap phones that have better hardware than Samsung and no one no ones about the company in the US or Canada. It is all about marketing

Youssef Rochdi marketing helps, but it’s timing for that company. If Apple JUST got in the game, mid smartphone era, when there were already several well-established phone makers who had already built up good will with their customers, Apple wouldn’t make a huge mark either. Apple of course has the advantage of being the straight-up father of the modern smartphone. It literally created the smartphone market, and so, by default, has a massive head start.

@@youssefrochdi1994 Because oppo doesn't sell their products in the US or Canada?

*it's an ecosystem (not possessive)

same. luckily Nokia has got android now so i'm back on a Nokia phone.

@@sultanabran1 me too!

It looks like some of transformer sound effect for some reason or it just me..

For me it sounds like one of the Collateral soundtrack, the Requiem. It so calm

It's not even that close, in case you don't know, I refer to the background music that starts after the intro (around 0:40)

Darude - SandStorm

@Miguel Vieira Thank you.

he was an IBM mentality corporate manager. bad news.

@GoodRiddanceGooglePlus Yea you are right.. I meant more Steve Balmers and Windows Phones demise

*doesn't (contraction of "does not") *contains

@@alvallac2171 so? I did mean does not (dosen't)

@@samoriginal I think the person is talking about the spelling of "doesn't"

@Windows 2000 so?

I was using 950 too, but Facebook and messenger just stopped working...

@@xdmin67 i know, few days ago, maybe this apps are the phone(950xl) killer for me too :(

@@xdmin67 it stopped working? are you using windows phone 8.1? or windows 10?

@@djdols3301 was using WP10. Messenger now can be used directly from browser, which isnt nice, since you cant get notifications. Anyway, bought used Nokia 6.1, but that phone doesn't look as good as old Nokias.

@@xdmin67 have apps available windows 10

@AlbertNeedSkills they will surely make it in the future

I remember I loved shilling WP for free to my friends but then Windows 10 Mobile disaster came.

They were dying slowly for a while but the windows 10 nonsense put them in the ground

I don't think their sales were growing. If it was it was very insignificant and not noticeable.

@@maplenerd22 during the second and third generation on Lumia they were, even though they were far from Android and iOS sales level. The combined release of windows phone 10 and lumia 950 and 950 XL killed it

@@maplenerd22 It wasn't insignificant, but it wasn't significant either. It was enough to say, "Hey there is hope at the end of the tunnel", but not enough to make people take notice. Nadella really screwed the pooch on this by releasing inferior products to the previous ones. My personal opinion they wanted out, but they couldn't just cut things off when it looked like things were improving. So they made some obviously bad choices so they could have a good excuse for cutting their losses.

For nostalgia sake I want lumia back

I’m alpha af and window phone just suck

indeed, when iphone 4 was my first apple phone because of imessage.

It is said to be one of the 3 main reasons people stick with iPhone! 1. iMessage 2. Fast updates 3. Long Term Support, that is to say updates to new OS versions and security patches for at least 3 to 5 years! If Android/Google and it's OEM's could do that who knows what the future might hold until Project Fucsia comes out we will never know!

@@DarthAwar Look into oneplus

I hate my fucking iPhone and the "closed environment". I want a device that let's me do whatever I want, even if it's wrecking the device.

Ew why lol

Chazahc cause I’m cheap lol

Soylent Green coming from an iPhone owner, respect son

Soylent Green This is why you are irrelevant

I have one, too...its not my primary phone, but it has an amazing camera and fantastic speakers.

Ikr! Hahaha

You like Sam from Wendover?

*irresponsibility (noun, not adverb)

I would've been interested to see what would've happened with the Meego. Linux on Phone as another OS option would've been interesting.

@@ChurchOfTheHolyMho meego would have been interesting too

N9 Meego has so much potential. Snappy and looks very solid. Symbian is just dead, no one is interested to upgrade when android arrives.

@@philton2462 yeah. But those hardly made it to customers as finished software. Nokia spent resources on hardware alone and neglected the software. A polished and consistent Version of the meego or even the Symbian s60 or the Symbian uiq3.0 could have kept them relevant and any of those platforms would have been the software other smartphone manufacturers would have adopted before android

@@kelvs45 dead OS equals no app developers. Nokia really missed opportunities software wise