I know this is the least of this film’s problems but... I really hate the cliché of a girl being nerdy and unattractive simply because they’ve given her messy hair and some glasses.
@@kosiqueensly4506 YEAH. They punish us for having curly hair (not even messy just wavy + curly) and for having the audacity to want to correct our vision with goddamn spectacles... why do they hate us so much. It isn't even like that in real life for crying out loud
@@kosiqueensly4506 worst part is, its not only on girls, in men, its the same, quirky, most of the times with a shirt and long pants above it, poor electro can tell ya
The most sympathetic character was the nameless "Handsome Man", who got his body and life temporarily taken over by Steve. Steve and Diana seemingly don't care that they've deprived this poor man of his consent and free will, using his body to have sex. It doesn't help that the movie treats this as romantic, and not downright horrifying.
And they made him be so nice to Diana at the end of the film, which is also creepy and terrifying. He was unwittingly being nice to someone who assaulted him, it’s so gross but the movie wants us to think it’s sweet.
Poor guy got his body stolen by a ghost just because said ghost's Amazon ex girlfriend was still obsessed with him even though she's had more than enough time to grieve his death and move on since he died in World War 1 and the 2nd film is as the title suggests set in 1984. 66 years since the war ended and she still hasn't gotten over him to the point she wishes him back and rapes the body of the guy he's possessing. Well done making your main heroine who's supposed to be an ambassador of peace a rapist DC and WB. Well done "sarcasm."
Please the other guy just seemed like a device to explain away Steve being there, like they literally forget about the poor guy until the very end of the movie and you forget about him completely because they have Steve as Steve the whole time, like why bring in a concept like that when you just drop it for 90% of the movie. It makes the stakes and emotions connected to the whole thing nonexistent.
Also, the guy doesn't recognize Diana at the end, implying he wasn't even conscious. So imagine that one night you're watching the Larry King Show, but In the second after you see yourself In the middle of the day, In the middle of the street, during what appears to be the end of days?
I genuinely cannot wrap my head around the decision to bring Steve back inside another mans body. I mean if he was just brought back to life no one would have questioned it, it's a magic wishing stone ffs, because all it does is make Steve and Diana look awful for not giving a fuck about this poor guy who has been yeeted out of existence.
Plus the price was diana losing her powers why involve this stranger? It makes no sense and the implication is gross. That is probably the worst of the movie.
I was wondering about that as well. It clearly shows the ability to create things out of nowhere and nothing i.e. the wall, the missiles. Why rape the poor guy?
Honestly, they could've really played with Steve coming back both as himself and in someone else's body. 3 options 1.) He comes back in nameless dude's body, and Diana is in a Daze initially, but has brief moments of clarity where she realizes that this shit is fucked up. Instead of losing her powers, she loses her faculties and maybe a bit of common sense whenever Steve is around her. The monkey's paw being that it's difficult for her to escape him or even want to be away from him. Both because of her desires being amplified, and.... y'know, magic. Making the "flying scene have an actual purpose similar to Hancock. She's trying to get away so that she can will herself to renounce her wish and regain her focus in order to save the world. 2. He comes back as himself, but the twist is that it's not really. The monkey's paw here is that Steve physically is back, but there's just something off about his personality. They can play it for laughs, they can play it for drama, they can even play it in a similar way that Justice League Doom did it. Diana was dosed with a hallucinogenic that made her see Cheetah in everyone that came near her. Do the same thing, just with Steve. That in itself sets up all kinds of humorous moments. A lapse in communication because she told Steve something, and he seems to never remember. Plot twist, that wasn't Steve, it was a co-worker. She says I love you to like 3 different dudes, or even some women. Since the movie is already ridiculous, just run with it. During a fight while chasing lord, suddenly have Steve attack her, and she gets confused. When she finally figures out what's happening, almost everyone around her is just Steve as she's losing her mind before mustering the will to renounce her wish before the madness of her obsession consumes her completely. 3. American Werewolf in London. Again, they already went for 70's/80's camp, they may as well commit 100% by having Steve show up as either a ghost or a corpse. They could've even drawn some inspiration from Burying the Ex, starring Anton Yelchin. A wish gone wrong brings an ex back to life, and hi-jinks ensue. Similar to my first idea, just have her so enamored with him that she hardly even notices that something's not right. Hell, another 80's movie, Mannequin is also perfect for this kind of movie. She sees a mannequin in the museum that vaguely reminds her of Steve because of how it's dressed up. She makes her wish, he comes to life and once again, hi-jinks ensue. Maybe his walking is kind of stiff. Maybe Diana pops one of his arms or his hand off by accident and he just puts it back on like it's normal. Instead of a dress up montage, his body gets destroyed in one or both of the chases, and Steve wakes up in the closest mannequin or a statue wearing something completely different or nothing at all. These objects can transform into Steve, or they just become animated with his voice coming out of them. Like for a movie attempting to capture the spirit of 80's camp, WW84 dropped the ball hard as fuck....
My big problems with it: 1)Hyped gold armor that was completely useless in the actual film. 2)Cheetah got powered up TWICE and was still no actual challenge to WW. 3)The all-powerful wishing stone couldn't give Steve his own body.
4. Hated Cheetahs origin because they made her into the JEALOUS friend instead of the friend that got cursed by a God because her friend didn't keep her promise when she said she could count on her whenever she needed her
Mine were really just: 1) Cheetah CGI 2)She saved the day with "positive thinking"? WTF? That doesn't make any sense But yeah the body swap thing was weird too
Number three could literally be solved if they took inspiration from Pygmalion and have Steve resurrect from a statue. Makes sense since Diana unintentionally prayed to the stone (like how he prayed to Venus), granting her want of creating Steve from memory (Galatea being made to represent womanhood before given sapience and autonomy from the gods) but decided to let go of that want because it was already fucking up the world. Handsome man can literally still be there at the end WITHOUT the unintentionally fucked-up baggage on the writers’s part.
Yep, I saw bionic pigs review and he brought up a good point that maybe some people wished for food because they were too poor to buy some. Who would renounce that wish? Who would say, you know what, yeah, I would rather have my children starve to death!
I couldn’t stop thinking about how the guy who’s body he inhabited also had a life, had friends a job, maybe even a girlfriend of his own and none of this was brought up, no problems arose because of this??
I haven't even seen the movie, but he could have also had, y'know, - a FAMILY ?? Spouse, kids, siblings, parents - people that were worried sick since he just disappeared?
@Bartolo Clemen except the moral ramifications of him taking over another man’s body are only mentioned in passing if at all, it’s mostly played for laughs and again, they rape this man with no consequence. So if him being in this man’s body is supposed to be considered a consequence, the movie sure doesn’t treat it like one
Gal Gadot acts like a movie-long celebrity cameo. Like when u see a supermodel cameo in a TV show. Everyone knows who she is, so she doesn't have to act.
I commented somewhere that Gal is not that good of an actress, so some fanboys attacked me and blamed for being jealous. Great that I am not the only one who thinks she can't act
I wanna die every time someone says that women cannot abuse men. Like, I literally feel 3 months are taken from my lifespan whenever I have to read that argument.
As someone who was molested by my much older female cousins as a young elementary school boy, I can definitely agree. Of course as the weird kid that nobody liked and didn't get many girls, I didn't see anything wrong with at the time and even enjoyed the attention. But that doesn't make any less predatory or disgusting considering they were highschool teens and I wasn't even 10 years old yet. Not to mention they had a habit of constantly treating me like absolute shit simply because of the fact that I was weird and annoying.
@@Ukiby3000 Honestly I just try block it out of my mind and not think about it because aside from having no actual proof that this happened, and the fact that I enjoyed it. Not the mention with the whole stigma of "oh you should be glad those girls wanted you", which just makes me say to hell with. But then, this toxic trend of "women can't assault men" and "women can't be predators" just makes me think back to those days like "wait, was I a victim?".
The people who try to rationalise away the male rape are the worst kind of humans, one party having power is not what makes it rape, a lack of consent is what defines it
@@nurkahnert1954 I would have totally wished for the world to end instead, how would she reverse shit if everyone and everything is dead? EOEOEOOEOEOEOEO!
Disliking this movie because of how undeniably bad it was doesn’t make anyone sexist. I think everyone can agree that we’d love to see a badass-not bad-Wonder Woman movie, but this unfortunately did not do it.
Watkins is all about that though, it's just her M.O. Just like Elizabeth Banks trying to make the same argument about her Charlie's Angels. Some "feminists" (quotations, because that's not feminism, it's women superiority) just want to make EVERYTHING about sex/gender to pick a fight, even when it's not.
To the PC brigade disliking a film that happens to star a woman for reasons that have nothing to with it starring a woman is automatically sexism. People hate it because the DCEU Wonder Woman rather than being the badass she is in the comics and DCAU was in her solo film a naive idiot who thought Ares was causing WW1 and that killing the general she thought was Ares in a human form would automatically stop it and abandoned the world after killing the real Ares. And in this she obsesses over the long dead Steve Trevor, brings him back as a ghost who possesses a random man's body and has sex with Steve using said man's body. The guy's body had not only been stolen by a ghost but was being raped by a strange woman as well. Then when Steve brings it up after Diana says she doesn't care and just wants him. Then she drags Steve and the man into situations that could kill both of them as well.
Fan fact: in this dceu Bruce Wayne was born in 1972 and his parents died when he was 8 (approximately). So Bruce probably wished that to see his parents again(come back to life), then Diana convinced him to reverse his wish! Just like she convinced everybody else!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So in this universe Bruce's parents might have died twice with Joe Chill killing them the first time and Diana doing it the second time by undoing Bruce's wish? Good for her he never found that out in BVS then or else it'd be her he went after instead of Superman. And since her mother's name is Hippolyta there'd be no saying Martha to save her.
In response to "Woman can't assault men because of the power dynamics": are they saying that the man unconscious in a magical coma had more power in the relationship than Diana the goddess?
17:08: That 1 comment shows everything wrong with current Society: A Social Bubble so absolute that people think such Nonsense. I bet somewhere is a Boy so spoiled and hidden-away in a Big Mansion that he doesnt KNOW that Woman are actually a Thing. Literally.
My question is how the HELL was cheetah ever able to rival Diana in a fight when Diana has been training to be a perfect warrior her whole life? The first movie literally said she was a better fighter than every other amazon. This movie solidified that by having Diana at, like, 9 rivaling grown women in a skill based competition. And youre telling me she got her ass kicked by someone with no fighting ability AND who has had their powers for less than a week? Even if Diana didnt have her abilities, her fighting style in that scene is laugable. And youre telling me she needed fancy indestructable armor, which was destroyed in the first 5 minutes, to have the fighting skill she has literally spent her whole life training for?
Oh since you mentioned it, remember when Diana was training openly in her teens in the first one? The reason she trained like that was cuz her mom forbidden her at age 8 or 9, there was no indication if a BIG stadium of a competition training and now at age 8 or 9, Diana is openly training? Hate this movie more now?
It reminded me of Chucky from the Child's Play films trying to transfer his soul into other people's bodies. But Chucky's an evil serial killer both as a human and a possessed doll while Diana and Steve were supposed to be good heroic people even though they weren't.
The entire celebrity community was cringe during the quarantine. Watching them complain about being bored in mansions while millions are in tiny apartments alone and broke
idiots who defend the idiocy of all that- urr well you see the wish has to have a downside, so when she made that wish the cost was the stealing of another mans body to show the struggle diana must face everyone with a brain- ok no shes getting her powers drained is the cost of said wish, so why does diana have two costs when everyone else has one, and hell why doesnt she even acknowlege it expect for a couple of seconds then forgotten, and we (as you said) things can be created out of nothing idiots- urr well your just a sexist asshole usally how these tend to go
It’s so strange that they decided to not just make Steve manifest himself in full. It contributes literal zero to the plot that he’s puppeteering a body like it’s Weekend at Bernie’s. I know the argument is “but people would recognize him because he was a war hero”, but like... how many random WWI heroes could the average person recognize?
@@spooplegeist5260 also the body he temporary stole had a passport and a Visa right? They literally didn't needed to steal the plane. And diana also was one of wwl's heroes if diana isn't recognized by the public she saves daily, why would someone looking like a dead guy call so much attention?
@@spooplegeist5260 besides, who would ever consider the idea that a WWI veteran came back to life? Like people would just go “wow, you really look like that pilot from WWI, how cool, are you a nephew maybe?”
Honestly, realizing that Diana technically slept with a man who didn’t consent to it really made me upset. There was no reason for that to exist in the story line. If they just said Steve was just magically back in a new version of his body, i would believe it. Men can suffer from sexual assault to and sexual assault deserves to be taken seriously, no matter who it is. I was really disappointed in this movie especially after we got movies like the first Wonder Woman movie and birds of prey, both of which are films I still enjoy. There was just a deep plunge of quality in writing, not to mention the ignorant depictions of people from other countries and we literally barely saw Barbara as cheetah (because of lighting) and the armor was used for like 5 minutes. Pedro Pascal and the Amazonians scenes high key carried this movie.
@@c....d8288 you mean paw? I mean it apparently was real though and she's the only one with a weird one. If it's an illusion how does he interact with the actual story and real world? He fires an RPG and stops a car before hitting kids at one point lol. I mean those nukes were real and her monkey paw effect was her powers being taken taken when she never knew she was actually making a wish meaning that evil God might just be able to steal people's power in a broken way
¨I wished that there was a cure for cancer so it could not only help me, but also future victims of the disease, but whatever I guess I have to renounce my wish.¨
Diana: “Even though I come from an island of women, I’m going to spend the next 70 years pining for the one man I happened to encounter and knew for like a week.”
Maybe their logic was that, after living in an island with no men, she was so romantically and sexually repressed that the moment she liked a guy she thought it was the love of her live and got obsessed with him. It’s bad but at least it’s something.
To be fair, it was the first man she ever loved. When teenagers get their first girlfriend or boyfriend, they're super into them and a lot of their lives revolve around them at that time, and if they break up, they get super depressed. 60 years is a long time to spend depressed about it, but for someone who has lived centuries, 60 years isn't all that much.
The most egregious part of this movie was that it expected me to believe that normal computers all over the world in 1984 had the capability to display a fully colored, high-resolution, live stream of Pedro Pascal.
@@HaplessOne or, hear me out, one of the many immature people who think they’re quirky by leaving a dislike on every video they watch, you smooth brain. Not every tiny issue in the world is feminists, little boy. Why would feminists even like the movie with the dated and overused “‘nerdy’ girl becomes gawk-worthy after taking off her glasses and putting on some make up” trope and the EXTREMELY questionable scenario regarding Diane’s boyfriend being in another man’s body?
@@Penguinmanereikel Who can say? there's no way to know, so this discussion is pointless beyond just goofing off of people who dislike for seemingly no reason. No reason to take seriously
The "sex was eradicated from that reality" argument is such a crockpot of shit. It doesn't change the fact that Diana willingly took part in it and was still the same Diana after things changed back. The lengths these people go to are genuinely insane
I cant believe they went such a cliche route with cheetah. The down on the luck desk jockey who's nerdy and admired the hero who also becomes the villain. Yeah because Incredibles and The Amazing Spiderman didnt already do that already
And also why is her turning evil by beating up a man who tried to assault her a bad thing? The movie is trying to make us believe that that’s a bad thing, but that doesn’t make any sense.
@@incase3007 The worst part is that it's **Wonder Woman** being hung up over a guy. Like, I am sure she mourns him because she lost him so suddenly, but there is no way she would be hung up to that extent. The comic version of her would never lower herself like that for a guy, or anyone really. Her arc should have been her dealing with loneliness, never being able to go to Themyscira and see her mother, dealing with the worst of humanity's behaviour during the 20th century, maybe PTSD from WW1 and 2, and watching all her WW1 friends grow old and die. There were a bunch of other reasons outside of Steve that would be less jarring to watch her grow from. Like her learning that even tho she'll lose people, it's worse to never live at all. It does NOT need to be rooted in a romantic relationship.
If we want equality,women heroes should be allowed to be as mopey and crying as male heroes when thier "favorite human"s die. This is the only thing I can defend,her character was completly sabotaged.
My cousin has basically started being distant and pissy with me ever since I said I didn’t like this movie because she believes it means you hate women.
Tell her that hating a film starring a woman for reasons that have nothing to do with that isn't sexism. Some filmmakers just use the fact that a badly written and acted character happens to be black, gay, a woman, trans, disabled and the like to accuse you of prejudice for not liking them for reasons unrelated to those things. This film sucks because the plot's right out of a bad fanfiction, the characters are boring, a character who's supposed to be a hero is turned into a horny lunatic obsessed with a long dead man and also a rapist, the only sympathetic characters are Maxwell Lord and the guy whose body is stolen by Steve Trevor and raped by Diana and people are expected to give up their wishes just because she said so.
How old is your cousin and did you actually try and have a discussion with her? Maybe you can explain your views and let her know that is not the case.
Writing a good movie? No. Writing a “romance movie” that is comprised of a man not giving consent and only saved the actual plot till the last 5 minutes of the movie? Yes.
Jlongbone actually made an interesting defense of Diana still mourning for Trevor. She is if not immortal than extremely long lived. So 60ish years is a drop in the bucket for her. It seems ridiculous for us because we can’t afford to mourn and pine over one person for that long. It probably wasn’t a good idea to have in the movie since most people aren’t going to see it that way at first glance.
It's a difficult assessment to make, since we have no real example to derive Diana's behaviour from. Would an immortal amazon who has lived for thousands of years even dare to get this attached to someobdy, or shut herself away because she went through the loss of loved ones before? Maybe she never was so close to someone before, and the lack of distance makes the shock so hard to recover from. Without a long history of what she did over the course of her existence, it's really up to writer's interpretation how she handles emotional trauma. And here, she handled it poorly.
That issue personally never bothered me, but then again, me and some good friends play a Tabletop RPG where immortality is that rare a thing, and both us and the lore of the system we use deal with how being immortal amongst mortals messes with a person's emotional wellbeing.
Yeah but he was the literally the first man she ever met and they knew each other for all over 3 months. She still mourned him for 240x how long she knew him. My exboyfriend died in 2017. We dated/lived together for 3 years, were broken up for a year due to his drug use. I still occasionally cry and miss him, but I swear if I was still grieving and refusing to love anyone else, he would probably come back from the dead just to tell me off for being ridiculous. A man who loves a woman would want her to find happiness.
Barbara wants to be an "Apex Predator"? So, she becomes a humanoid cheetah, an animal that is bullied by pretty much every other predator in the African Savanna?? Ok. 👌 Edit: Damn, over 1k likes?? And now one from the great Rian Doggo himself. I guess that's a personal achievement for me. Thanks guys/girls. 👍
Yeah cheetahs are kind of a one trick pony. Oh, you can sprint super duper fast for five seconds? Great! Now get bodied by everything else in the African servers.
@@r.j.penfold Ah yes, the "Apex Predator." Capable of running extremely fast, maybe being able to take down a single gazelle using all of its energy, then having to leave because some lions or hyenas showed up and not only are they in a group, they could probably still kill you one on one.
the way they handled the whole "feminism" thing was truly disheartening. As you pointed out, the fact that all the men in the movie are either evil or useless, isn't great, and the fact that she is still caught up about this dude after like 60 years, is so ridiculous that my little sister could point it out. Empowering women and little girls is an important thing, but you just make it worse when you show the "strong female protagonist" as basically dependant on this one dude who died over fifty years ago to be happy. like what the fuck? Edit: I'd also like to add that they litteraly used this random dudes body without his consent and the movie played it off as nothing.
Akshually... The one element I find believable..is an ageless woman from a secret civilization of women being obsessed with The First Man. He would fulfill many roles beside lover. Father. Also, Adam and Eve rebels against her "Garden of Eden" Tempter (Satan) and since he's mortal, child. I think if I was made from clay and lived for centuries on an island of just men...the first flesh and blood woman I ever saw...was kind to me, that I saved...well I would be stuck. Hes mortal, but in a way, he's her "God"
@@thereisnosanctuary6184 huh. I dunno about that one. I guess I can kinda understand that idea, but I think that reaction is just you. And the whole idea of him being her "God" as you put it, is kinda stupid in my opinion. I mean, it's kinda weird when you think about it, you're basically just saying "I'm going to worship this man because he is alive" Which is pretty weird considering that she was surrounded by other normal men who were torturing and killing people for essentially no reason in the first movie.
I feel like there weren't any feminist themes. Did I miss something?All the women relied on getting their power from men(Max and Steve). They copied old 80s movie tropes: clumsy nerd turns hot, men being pervy,the dad that works too much to pay attention to his family,the one perfectly pure and powerful chick (Diana).
@@moxiemaxie3543 yeah i know. I'm more or less talking about the way they branded and advertised it as a feminist movie, when it's clearly not. They kinda showed it off as one and ended up relying on old tropes to tell a story. It was a little disappointing.
The Sketches from the Soundtrack are arguably better than the actual Soundtrack because at least there are 80's influences in the tracks. _'84, Barbara Minerva_ and _Citrine_ in particular are really really 80's.
@@CloudyMemory 😂😂😂WHAT?! WHEN DID Man of Steel and The Amazing Spiderman 2 come out????? I don't care about your pov on the movies those scores WRECK this movies score. Even the original WW movie score beats this one.
@@sniperflashgaming3868 Not a fan of Man of Steel or Spiderman 2, they're both obnoxiously loud, simplistic and devoid of any subtlety. Zimmer's last good score was probably Angels & Demons.
My personal favorite plot hole is the bulletproof dinner tray in the fight scene in the white house. Or the fact that not a single person in the entire world didn't renounce their wish
Bpmnl b bbhh . But two weeks games and maybe I'll actually get to finish the Mandalorian I'm standing with. There's sort of a balance between did you want you moving music that makes you feel better but they don't want you tripping but super glue Vegas so after that pretty much so at least you won't be stuck in bed well you are actually laid out bubble gum about a boy who is Randy should only need to be off my feet for 24 hours how to be like according to what it was E.g. qq
This movie feels so first draft. A lot of the movies minor problems would go away if they double checked the script again. But the movie will still have its major problems like Gal Gadot's acting.
@@CynicalReviews The airplane scene was so stupid. I figured that in the 70 years that she has been around in the modern world she would have saved enough money to buy her own jet but they went with the stupid route and made her steal one instead with her face on camera. They had a more logical explanation available.
Diana: i forgot to tell you. Radar. I can't explain now but they'll see us. Me: She can't explain because the person writing her dialogue doesn't even know how radar works.
But..it IS a comic book movie. And magic is in the whole plot. Expecting realism in a comic book movie makes no sense. And expecting realism in magic based fantasies make no sense. In this movie, they both meet. Magic lasso that tells truth. I wasnt a huge wonder woman comic reader, but a few guys told me in comics she was I dead able to grab lighting. Possibly ao.ethinf to do with her forged by God's or some shit. You have no problem with her being a kick ass, magic lasso carrying woman, who somehow still have time to work a fully professional job in a museum..but you have a problem with her being prepared..as any hero should be...and when an emergency came up, she knew of a fully fueled plane? You cant just put together that shes a hero who works in a museum ap she probably has that place rigged upfoe her convenience? That's too much of a stretch? Magic rock can make things appear out of nowhere and make other things disappear...but it's crazy unbelievable that it is capable of switching planes of existence in the body steve is in? Like, the guy just poofed away. As far as I understood it. As if steve was born and grew in that body. He wasnt occupying the body as a ghost does in a possession. He fully owned that body as if he grew with it from birth. Doesnt make sense? Neither does nukes that no one built coming out of nowhere...its magic. Every complaint about this movie seems to be based on a person expecting it to relate to OUR real life universe instead of accepting it's not our universe. It's a parallel universe where magic exists and superheros are around.
@@agonleed3841 When did "realism" come into the picture? I'm pretty sure we were talking about people being lazy with entertainment and using excuses like "it's a kids film" or "it's a comic book movie" to justify their laziness.
Any time lazy filmmakers get called out for their laziness they say "It's a "insert genre of film here" movie." It'd be like someone saying a comedy film with bad jokes that was shit is good because "It's a comedy movie" even though comedies are supposed to be funny..
I mean, there are some scnes that he does a good job, but most of thw scenes he is bad as hell, i think this movie was such a mess that evwn hwe didnt looked good, look at his other movies, she does a bettwr job, not saying he in awesome actress, but she fits the role in my view
I mean...anyone could do a decent job at acting *some* of the time, I think we forget these people are just people, and you could probably pull any woman off the street and get a semi-believable actress. We pay and admire these people for being able to do it *all* the time...like that’s their one skill and she can’t do it, so she can’t act. She’s just stereotypically attractive.
@Meta Man Star wars Has more Bad movies: Star wars 8 and 9. And especially 8 is so Bad that it's regarded as the worst AAA movie Off the Last 10 years.
The scene where Diana leaves Trevor genuinely made me laugh, it’s so stupid and hilarious. Pedro Pascal is the best and most sympathetic character in the movie.
I like the scene... i think it was a natural way to leave it without having it to face for more time, the movie was a mess but you have to make think original and more natural, she doesnt want to lose him so what its the better way to accepet it, without seeing him turning back to the person of the body, and losing all the fantasy she had about him? By walking away and seen that she regret the wish makes real sense because it isnt a hard choice, but the movie did it bad when it comes to show the love between both more and etc, also he did left pretty early in the movie, like he wa skust a sidekick and supporting carachter, it ahould have had more emotional depth betqeen botj
You know, I'm surprised how many reviewers of this movie completely overlook or don't comment on the fact that WW84 co-opted/flat out stole Hawk Girl's armor set for WW to use. That armor Diana wears during the big climax... you know, the one with metal/golden wings and a hawk-crested helmet... that's Hawk Man/Girl's armor. If DC planned on bringing either of those characters into the DCEU, they completely neutered any kind of awe-inspiring introduction because not only have we seen it in WW84, but the reveal of said armor was incredibly lackluster in nature. Just another thing DC has royally screwed up with their live-action films.
Also let's just point out that Wonder Woman 1984 could've used Cheetah's Injustice 2 model as inspiration for her character design, and actively chose not to.
The funny thing is cosplayers have shown us that amazing things can be achieved through practical effects but instead they choose this CGI abomination which doesn't even look like cheetah. Can Hollywood at least catch up to cosplays level of costume design.
@@NephilimHunter1959 not to defend Cheetas design in this or anything but cosplayers don't have to do anything near the movement and choreography that a superhero/villain has to do in a movie
He has the power! Because men are toxic and they empower women with their aggressiveness and power dynamics stuff! oh wait, but then we imply women are weak. She has the power! Because she is a powerful woman and she is free and stuff! oh wait, now that implies she raped him *feminist mind explodes*
"Why Wonder Woman 1984 is Terrible" I don't think it needs explanation to any sensible person why its trash, but we'll gladly hear about it, so cheers to that.
@@phabiorules YEAHH i love being on a dying website though bc twitter gave me headaches everyday so i quit lmao. Tumblr is broken site imo, but its my broken website
When I watched this, I never understood why they snatched young Diana away from the competition. Like, I get by their eyes she cheated, but I thought it would have been a better lesson to show that while she tried to adapt and continue the competition despite losing her horse, she missed a target and the competition rejected her victory. Like, have her throw the spear and it bounce off a force field because “magic”. Have her experience the failure rather than being forcefully taken out of the competition, because I didn’t feel like she truly understood why she was disqualified.
@@Mate397 Mind you, not all people speak, write, or type in perfect English. Pointing it out can be beneficial to whom you are saying it too (cuz it can raise awareness of where they went wrong), but pointing it out while not being understanding, respectful, and helpful about it can easily make you look like a douchebag.
As someone who still loves the DC cartoons, I was perfectly fine with the cheesy lines and behavior. It’s when I saw how absolutely dirty they did Cheeta that the veil of “bad movie can still be good” fell apart. That absolute HYPOCRISY. I’ll say it till the day I die, if Steve had been a Stephanie and Diana had been a Dave there would’ve been an explosion of hate and a whole new hashtag calling out WW1984 for rape.
Nobody going to talk about how a decommissioned fighter jet just happened to have enough fuel for a trans Atlantic flight to Cairo? And the fact they pretty much had to jump out midair because they can't land a UFO in an airport?
Let's set up the Golden Armor as being so strong that they can fend off the armies of the world and let tease it for years only to show it for ten minutes and have it ripped like paper by a cat lady.
Some people said Max had control over what was being granted, but for the life of me I couldn't tell if he did or not. So many offhand wishes where granted that I never thought he was in control of anything.
My family religiously watches all superhero movies together and I can’t tell you how terrible it was to sit through this movie. It was so first draft and clunky it made me want to rewrite the whole thing out of frustration 😭 my parents tried to defend it as being a superhero movie, but as you said that’s no excuse
The entirety of steve and diana’s relationship can be summed up with the “isn’t there someone you forgot to ask?” Meme format with them as the people saying “i consent” and the random dude in place of jesus saying “i dont!”
Diana: "I'm an Amazonian princess that has superpowers and can beat up bad guys all on my own" Also Diana: "I can't eat, sleep, think, live, or breathe without some guy named Steve I knew for about 40 minutes" Take note, little girls of the world. You can be as successful and independent as you want, but no one will care unless you have a Steve
I don’t think it’s unrealistic to care about someone who made such an impact on you. Steve was her first introduction to not only someone of the opposite sex but a human in general. He helped shape her perception of the world and his ultimate sacrifice at the end of the first film gave her the courage to do what’s right. I feel like their relationship can be equated to real world celebrity relationships in the sense that they aren’t ordinary: being a celebrity means that you are treated differently and recognized by many, making it hard to have genuine connections with people without them seeing you as otherworldly. Many times when celebrities do get in relationships they rush into it and get married quickly because they fear of losing the connection they’ve made and it doesn’t work out in the long run. For Diana and Steve, not only did he have the previously mentioned influences on her, but as she world continue in her life for the next 60+ years, she probably found it hard to relate on that very intimate level with others. She’s used to either being seen different or saving them. In her mind, she knows she’s powerful and different, and I imagine struggles with putting her guard down to think of a normal human as an equal in a relationship. This movie isn’t good, and I’m not defending its writing or the whole “other mans body” thing, but simply the fact that love does not have a time limit, and it’s not ok to belittle its existence or importance to someone else.
Wait if Wonder Woman can turn things invisible why didn’t she turn the spear with kryptonite on it from BvS Invisible so they could just throw it at doomsday without him seeing it ??
Correction: Batty Jenkins cannot write an *original* story. With "Monster", the story already existed. The police reports and court transcripts was the story.. All Jenkins had to do was write a screenplay based on real documented events. When it comes to an original story, like WW84, she's right up there with George Lucas writing the ST prequels.
@@clementj To paraphrase Zack Snyder on why BvS totally botched The Dark Knight Returns: '... and that story is wonderful, BUT we decided to make our own story sort of based on that instead' See also every attempt at including Dark Phoenix in any X-Men movie ever
LITERALLYYYY, the trailer for this movie could have been the movie tbh. I liked the first Wonder Woman movie and now my brain feels fried from watching this review alone
Here’s a way to add impact to the whole movie: Make Diana and Barbara have a relationship. When I watched the movie, the wish that Barbara made fooled me into thinking it would be Diana and Barbara as a couple which would have lessened the need for good cgi in the fights because they feel much more impactful. The sequence could be: Bump into each other, Dates and small talk, Park scene, Wish, Breakup. This would have actually made it make sense why she would hate Diana as the wish would take away that love. What wish would Wonder Woman make? I don’t know but sure as hell not one that brings back her ex. This would have also been ok by the comics as she is slightly bisexual there so why not run with it. This would have also been a major improvement for the theme of women empowerment especially for minorities. Then the happy ending would be them getting back together rather than being kind to the person you just raped.
@@MediumRareOpinions Yeah but then he starts talking about scenes we just watched but didn't hear like we're supposed to know what he's talking about. It's not like we memorized the movies dialog after one sitting! it's very confusing
@@annalucy89 You're not wrong but it's the broken RU-vid copyright system we have to live with. I dont see enough consumers or creators ever being willing to send a strong enough message to youtube to change that.
My mom bought out a movie theater (not the whole building just one of the rooms) so we could go out and see WW84 as a family in December. We enjoyed it the first time mostly out of a sense of "yay we finally left the house and saw a movie in theaters", but by the next day, it began to dawn on us how problematic/bad it actually was, especially next to its predecessor.
The fact that her entire storyline revolves around her love life while only putting in cheesy "feminist" one-liners is super back handed to the women watching. I was so excited for the first movie, but left super disappointed. Marvel's "Black Panther" had more woman empowerment than the "Wonder Woman" movies ever will.
@@Amunium Ok, then I'll be more specific. The style of fanny pack that Chris Pine was wearing in the movie was not in fashion until '89 or '90. No one was wearing them in 1984. No one.
This movie retroactively makes Batman a poor detective. After all, during his research on Diana, he didn't find the WORLD ENDING RAMPAGE of Max Lord nor did he saw the multiple accounts of people witnessing a "super woman" In action during the 80's. It's downright hilarious, DCEU Batman Is a joke In nearly every area that makes Batman be Batman.
DCEU Batman is in no way guilty of the BAD writing and non-existent coherence in this movie. Actually it was pretty damn close to what Batman actually is because he DID detective work, he absolutely destroyed his enemies in combat and used a lot of gadgets during the fight(first time ever, btw). Comparing it to Punman and saying the latter was better is insulting.
@@JiryStark Have you not seen The Dark Knight? Batman does all of that during a fight - twice. And he's saying that this movie is undoing Bats by virtue of his hilarious awfulness spilling into his level of competence.
@@JarmamStuff I've seen TDK and I hate that whole trilogy. I hated that whiny Batman that only thinks on stopping being Batman just to get a girlfriend. And there is not a single scene where Baleman uses the gadgets in the same degree Batfleck did. Not even close. And just because this movie and the writer did an AWFULL job I won't start thinking that DCEU Batman is the worts. That's just stupid.
@@JarmamStuff I think it's a widely accepted fact that Batfleck was the best thing about BVS.And if it wasn't for that terrible last hour(from MARTHA! and onwards),he could have been the best film version of the hero. But after that last hour of BVS and the whole Justice League there was no hope salvaging the character.
WW84 is an overhyped fever dream. They glossed over that fact that it’s a poorly written/directed mess. The fight scene between Cheetah and Wonder Women is pointless!
Before watching this movie with my family we saw that on HBO they had the original wonder woman show from the 1970s and we decided to watch a little bit of it prior, just to see how silly and ridiculous it was. Little did I know that I was able to take that show about as seriously as the movie.
I don’t think it’s unrealistic to care about someone who made such an impact on you. Steve was her first introduction to not only someone of the opposite sex but a human in general. He helped shape her perception of the world and his ultimate sacrifice at the end of the first film gave her the courage to do what’s right. I feel like their relationship can be equated to real world celebrity relationships in the sense that they aren’t ordinary: being a celebrity means that you are treated differently and recognized by many, making it hard to have genuine connections with people without them seeing you as otherworldly. Many times when celebrities do get in relationships they rush into it and get married quickly because they fear of losing the connection they’ve made and it doesn’t work out in the long run. For Diana and Steve, not only did he have the previously mentioned influences on her, but as she would continue in her life for the next 60+ years, she probably found it hard to relate on that very intimate level with others. She’s used to either being seen different or saving them. In her mind, she knows she’s powerful and different, and I imagine struggles with putting her guard down to think of a normal human as an equal in a relationship. Plus, the dangers that would entail, and explaining her existence, her past...thats not only a burden for her but would be on her partner as well. Also she’s ageless! Imagine being with someone to know that they will grow old and die while you remain the same. I would not want to put myself through that pain and imagine others would not as well. This movie isn’t good, and I’m not defending its writing or the whole “other mans body” thing, but simply the fact that love does not have a time limit, and it’s not ok to belittle its existence or importance to someone else. As someone else pointed out, Steve Rogers and Peggys relationship is one of the most iconic and romanticized superhero relationships. How is this one much different? Steve went back in time to be with her, giving up his duty as an Avenger.
I always wonder how the ending even happens. Like, seriously, are you really counting on humanity to NOT be greedy?! Sure, some may do decline their wishes, but I highly doubt 3.9/4 of humanity would decline their deepest wishes.
