I think the weekly limitation is an issue only because it's a new game and we're building mutiple characters at once. When we reach the point when we're building one character at a time this won't be an issue at all especially as you said you need 3 weeks of drops to max a character which is the exact amount of time between banners
I agree and cannot wait for that point in WuWa. In Genshin, I'm already there, so at level 90, it goes pretty fast. In WuWa, I'm creeping up to UL 60 (will hit it this week), and I'm looking forward to the 4 materials on boss drops. Getting only two boss drops from e.g. the Bell Bourne Geocochelone (big bell turtle) feels so bad. because now I have to wait another week for literally one more talent.
I've decided rebuild Childe with his BIS artifact Nymph's Dream. I got everything except crit damage circlet with decent sub-stats. I've been farming Nymph's Dream domain for almost 5 months now, it's infuriating. Meanwhile I have quite decent echoes for my Calcharo, Jiyan, Yinlin, Changli, Verina, Mortefi, Baizhi, and Sanhua. How long has it been since WuWa's launch, 3 months?
Now that people is starting to reach UL 60 in wuwa and they are wondering if getting the Forte from 8 to 10 is worth it. It is very worth it, also welcome to poverty.
People are too harsh on wuthering waves, level 9 to 10 fortie upgrade actually gives the biggest multiplier increase, almost 57% added to the multiplier. The system is fine tbh
Which is how it should be. If it were me, I'd make the level 10 talents better than a sequence / constellation. I'd make the weapon better than a constellation too. It just encourages you to invest in who you have. It's like Genshin doesn't want you to crown your talents because it's so expensive and the increase is only okay. And I never pull for the weapon because it's too expensive wish wise and I never go for constellations because it's too expensive. Why am I disincentivized to invest in my own characters?
where did u see that 57%? i love wuwa.. but u made it sound like level 9 to 10 is huge dmg increase... it is actually not that big.. most of the time the dmg increase from 9 to 10 is less than 10%
@@eumaren I think they probably are looking from a flat difference perspective. In reality though level 9 to 10 is around a 7.54% total increase in damage for that particular aspect.
@@John_IIBuddy you're playing a gacha game. If you feel overwhelmed by a mere C1 for a character, with all due respect, gacha games aren't for you Also, the weapons are fine where there are for both games. Both the weapons and level 10 talents can't be stronger than the constellations as well. Maximum revenue for gacha games comes from big spenders spending big time for the characters they want to max them out and they need all the incentives they can get to max out a character Even though I agree that getting weapons is too costly in Genshin, the ideas you propose are counter-productive compared to how good you think they are Realistically speaking, if getting weapons are already cheaper with 80 wishes, along with both the talents and the weapons being much better than the characters dupes, regular and big spenders (which is where most of a gacha game's income comes from) would have to not only spend way less into R5ing their weapon ranks but they wouldn't feel incentivised to spend on character dupes and max out their characters, drastically cutting down a gacha game's income Last but not least, signature weapons of characters always gives them big buffs but in Genshin, you should only go for a character's weapon if you KNOW you're gonna stick with them forever. If you're F2P, considering getting the monthly 5$ pack. You'd be surprised how much a daily 90 primos can help you as long as you save.
@@eumaren he means a multiplier of 800%+ gets around 57% additional multiplier as upgrade for lvl 9 and 10 While lvl 7 and 8 are less investment but less additional multiplier like 40% or less
I don't think the weekly boss drops have any issue. It didn't stop my progress, but limited only a bit, forced me to organize how I farm, nothing else. I'm day 1 player UL62 with 3 characters and weapons at lvl 90, and 2 of them maxed out their skill, forte and liberation. This game is new yet, in a year we'll probably have some weekly boss materials that we'll never use in our bags
Well said. In Genshin, it's diminishing returns after talent level 6, but talent level 8 is generally considered the stopping point (Or "good enough"). I'm still horizontally investing (building my roster) so it's going pretty fast. But it takes weeks to go from 8 to 10.
@@John_II this is outright untrue, there are zero talents that provide diminishing returns when leveled and it only takes 2-3 weeks to go from 8-10, same as wuwa.
@@Kota-sk8slbelieve it or not but genshin talents do have diminishing returns after level 6 that’s why players find level 8 a good stopping point because the resources put into level 10 one talent is too much compared to the damage increase. Also it doesn’t takes weeks to level 8-10 talent in wuwa it takes only a couple of days😂
@@samishah07the weekly limit is what really hurts me in wuwa because there are so many talents to level(mainly 3 but still).In wuwa you have 2 damage dealers and a buffer most of the time.That means that you have to level their talents and cant skip them like genshin supports.
@@exalted7906 That’s true but if you build one character at a time it’s much easier. That’s what I do and I have 6 characters almost fully built. Just focus on your main dps first and then support and it’s much better.
What I also like is that some attacks despite being one type are counted like another type. In wuwa Changli's forte explosion is considered resonance skill but the multiplier is in the forte. So it will get boosted by RS dmg bonus AND leveling up forte In genshin for e.g Raiden N1 despite being basic attacks are considered burst, therefore you don't have to level her basics at all.
- 6 week to max out a genshin char me in wuwa: 11 week since release and maxed out 1 char to 90 and 3 other char at lv80 8/10 (1 being rover) while also have 2 weapon at lv90 and 2 at 80 (yea they share the same material) hit UL60 like 3-5 days ago... so future char could be much faster. I'm not sure if the limit on weekly boss matter much, because at the current tower of adversity, i only need the main dps to be as high as possible. my buffer and support are only lv50 with basically no skill lvl
thank god wuwa didnt gate-keeper talent upgrade lv8-10 unlike genshit you need "crown" to upgrade lv8-10 F that system AND TERIBLLE RNG BOS DROP WONT DROP YOUR CHARACTER NEED
@@Kota-sk8sldream solvents are ridiculously rng. there is no pity, and you can go weeks without a single one. there is no guarantee that you get the drops you need. i went 7 weeks trying to upgrade keqings talents without getting a single one of the right talent materials or dream solvent
@@Kota-sk8sl They give u like a few a patch, and if u wanna raise multiple units with 3 skills each to crown, its not near enough lol. Its enough if u are nitpicky and only max a few skills on characters
@@Kota-sk8sl That's cap af. On my second account in Genshin I played for a bit over a year before quitting Genshin, with a total of 8 crowns. That is not even 3 characters worth of crowns in a year.
I'm glad someone made a video about this. I was first disappointed by how long it would take to upgrade all these traces, because I thought immediately maxing them out was essential, but seeing how much of an upgrade they are, I stopped complaining. I like that there are things that are worth the grind, and wuwa just changed which aspects are meant to be grinded vs Hsr's relics. Just off of these trace upgrades alone, your character can be extremely strong and are guaranteed upgrades as opposed to meeting thresholds for Hsr's characters and praying for the right mainstat and substats. Much rather prefer this grind.
I definitely felt an Upgrade when leveling my Jinhsi's Forte Skill. I went from struggling to get all the stars of the Tower of Adversity, to getting all of them on the first try
I think it’s important to note that most characters you only need to max out around 3 (if even that) skills for optimal damage. So the overall time is much lower by comparison to completely maxing out a character.
The reason why all of my characters in Genshin are at still lv70 is because I don't want to deal with the world boss material RNG. Even unique materials by region have like a two day cooldown unlike WuWa where you can get the again next day.
I also notice how big the jump of a damage multiplier upgrade of talent for certain character depending on their playstyle, like Sanhua Liberation multiplier jump each upgrade is sooo high . From level 1 to 8 is about 192% increase
Taking into account that if you’re going for tower of adversity character, you don’t need to level basic attacks, nor the intro skills most of the times, so it’s basically 3 talents as well as genshin
Fear of crowns? I cant get rid of them fast enogh. I picked up all of them in game with events and still gota get rid out of 3. But i only lvl characters i like so...
That's the way to do it. :) I did the opposite where I levelled everyone (I have 65 characters) to level 90, level 8 talents, and a level 90 weapons. I share artifacts but those are level +20, and 5*. . ... and it's not what I recommend to people. It takes forever. I like that I can play anyone I want, but let's be honest the Xinyan's of my account never see any field time.
@@Bullminator right lol it’s so funny seeing players with ambers normal attack crowned (or some other similarly moronic talent) and then complaining there aren’t enough crowns. I full clear everything in the game and I think I have 6 crowns in my box waiting on another character worth using them on lol.
funny enough each talent lvl between both games is about 7.5% ttl increase per lvl inbetween both genshin and wuwa. so if your only paying attention to only the difference between lvls them self, its the same. but the cost indeed is significantly different. but the one that always is the big issue i see with these both is always the stamina limited mats always being the problem, not the other costs.
Addition for fair point for wuwa at UL 60 weekly boss drop are 12-15 pcs in average so. It just need 2 weeks. And genshin at AR 60 well u know as u said it way more longer than that to maxed all skill tree for 1 char
weekly boss is not an issue imo, people keep complaining that mats drop too slow in the game, but it will all go away with time and it is better to have some goal long term to max out characters and stuff instead to do everything week one of a character release
I don’t see the difference honestly. Wuwa gives you big increases while leveling your “talents”, whereas Genshin gives them via ascension passives. Both are level gated and both come without direct resin/waveplate costs since with wuwa you’re going to be leveling your entire tree anyway and Genshin again just gives them with ascensions which you’re also going to do anyway. I think Kuro just did a really good job of making it feel different, it genuinely translates to the same thing
And that’s also why you can’t just make apples to apples comparisons like this, because it’s disingenuous. Kinda like those that say echo farming is free when it’s not, sure you can obtain base echoes by farming without waveplate cost, but you still need seals and tuners and both of those have direct waveplate costs, the cost just factors in later on in the leveling process.
there are still significant differences though. no rng on weekly bosses is a big one, as well as time gated talent domains. those are just outdated and ass. also, generally, straight up multiplier increases are more valuable than an ascension passive. wuwa does also have stat increase talents, similar to hsr, though they are far less significant than ascension passives. higher multipliers also scale better with stronger supports, since there isnt really anyone who can buff motion value in either game.
@@aarushi2740 the rng for weeklies is irrelevant considering with min drops from Genshin at max level on both games it takes the same amount of time to level. Time gated talent domains is a weird complaint imo, even with extreme horizontal investment this never poses any real issue in farming. I mean I guess it’s a tiny improvement. And no, multipliers aren’t generally “more valuable” than ascension passives, nor do they scale better with stronger supports over integrated passives. That’s such a bad take I almost didn’t bother responding to it lol.
@@Kota-sk8sl i dont get your first point? the rng makes it so that you can go weeks without the right material or dream solvents. i dont understand how that takes the same amount of time. time gated domains dont really matter that much for overall farming, but it is incredibly annoying and a stupid feature. and yes, higher multipliers scale better than passives. every other stat will have diminishing returns at some point since there will be supports buffing said stats. but motion value, unless wuwa ends up doing something pretty strange, just doesnt get buffed directly. ideally you want higher multipliers over increased stats. i could be wrong, but genshin’s ascension stats are just normal % buffs, they dont actually add to the base attack/hp/def. feel free to correct me if im wrong. either way, genshins talents take way more investment and rng, for a far less significant increase.
@@aarushi2740 you don’t get my first point because you don’t actually play genshin, you’re just regurgitating nonsense. I have legitimately leveled every character and their talents fully and I have a solid 50+ solvents just sitting in storage for the next new char I decide to level. They drop like candy. It takes the same amount of time. No, higher multipliers do not scale better than ascension passives, in any way. I have c3 neuvi, his c3 gives nothing but straight multiplier increases and it isn’t even close to the dps increase he gets from his draconic stack passive. Or Hu tao getting almost an entire free artifact main stat worth of pyro dmg bonus from hers. I can provide plenty more examples (literally every char in genshin) but you get the idea probably. Your argument about diminishing returns is nonsense. Wait, LOL I just realized you’re talking about the ascension stat increases. Are you serious?
But you also have to remember that 2 more lvls of skills are locked behind cons. Genshin they literally locked ur skill upgrades behind cons lmao and the cap is at 15 which u cant reach ofc. Wuwa has no bs like that : /
WuWa's higher talents are stacked. I want more boss drops per week though. At UL 59, I'm levelling Jiyan, Mortefi and Baizhi (my main team) and they all want bells from the Bell Bourne Geocochelone (big turtle boss). So, it feels really crappy when I only get 2 boss materials (bells) on a clear because now I just have to wait until next week just to do the talents for ONE character. I'm hoping that UL 60 is better and I'm told it's a guarantee of 4 boss materials each time, which should make it go faster. because it's been over 2.5 months of WuWa and not having anyone at level 90 or level 10 talents yet is pretty demoralizing. It's actually why I am going to not pull for anyone in 1.2 or 1.3 (I hear Xiangli Yao is free) because I want to build all the characters I have, and I literally have them all and want to play them all... but building them, god damn, it's going to take all year at this rate. **I know Void Enigma did a video on that point - it gets easier when we hit max level for boss drops, etc. I'm just saying 3 months to get to max level is a long time.
@@eagan912 Good job on the reroll. :) I concur. I got Jianxin and Calcharo, so I just kept my account. Used my guarantee for Verina, and then thanks to RNGesus, somehow I got Lingyang and Encore later. :P
I honestly enjoy the forte system as I do feel a noticeable power increase as I invest more and more into it! I can comfortably run around with my high forte Chixia and still feel powerful! What would yall consider "good enough" forte in Wuwa?
That's what i always say all the time, since the release of then game. Wuwa has so much better material system than genshin. I don't know how but i maxed out my jinshi, rover, yinlin to max(means literally everything max) and encore,calcaro,and verina on 80 with everything max as per lv 80. There is no problem with material at all. And about the weekly bosse, it's just that we have a lot of characters to build right now, after we get to the point where most of our characters are build and maxed out. We're less likely to face boss drop issue as we'll only only one character to focus at a time.
the dmg increase from each level of talent from genshin and wuwa are almost the same 5-10% the crowns in genshin are limited, are are usually saved for charas u really like. (people crown useless talents to show how much that love that chara) the only benefit for wuwa is that u can farm same weekly multiple times a week, and the mats required seem cheaper.
Weekly boss mats my biggest bottleneck in game like what use of these gold of mine if I don't have weekly boss mats lol. 3 weeks to max character in here (in worst case drops of weekly boss mats and that is if you level 10 all of it) in which what one banner will last. So I heard that there's a rare instances that it drops 4, so that's where the surplus comes in. So my plan for now is leave other characters fortes at 6. And some main dps intro at 8, this will give me mats for other characters. Seriously, forgery mats and credits isn't a problem if I'm gated every week on weekly boss mats lol.
I only crowned a couple of talents in genshin, for my most best dps - Alhaitham E and Ayaka burst and honestly felt no difference. It was just for completion feel, to finish their top damage talents.
Awesome video! But I gotta say this, the music was a bit too loud compared to your voice. It did kinda made me think a little (the video, not the music), cuz I'm slowly getting resource starved, which felt a bit weird, since I got used to having a lot of mora in Genshin all the time, but it kinda hit me mid-video that Wuwa doesn't require that much, I just haven't upgraded my characters in ages, so I always have mora...
last time i checked GI has a limit of 3 weekly boss runs, did they remove that limit? Because after the third weekly boss in GI rewards were not claimable.
the biggest problem for me with upgrading talents or weapons in wuwa is the echo material farming. these mfs droprate is the worst i have ever seen. people who like to farm in open world may not have a problem with the terrible drop rate but i am.. too lazy. lol yes, you need tons of weekly boss material in wuwa and its expensive but i personally dont mind. compared to the material drop rate from echos its not nearly as bad. 😭
It really feels like no matter what I do, I hit like a wet noodle. I do no damage at all. Foe my current SOL3 phase I have a max level character. Max level weapon with max refinement, max level talents, and fairly decent echoes. And i still do like a maximum of 50 damage per basic attack. The combat feels flashy and cool, but fighting anything feels like a slog and a chore. It's ruining the game for me. I feel just as weak as I was when I started
Coming from playing Genshin for 4 years, WuWa seems similar enough as to not warrant this video. The one thing that really sucked about the Genshin leveling system was crowns. I'm glad they don't exist in WuWa. They honestly made no sense whatsoever. All I know is I have the battle pass, and Im still super broke in Wuwa. However, I do feel like things won't be so bad once all my core resonators are fully leveled. I also do feel like that will happen a bit faster than it did in Genshin.
I hated that miniscule gain from lvl 9 to 10 in genshin. Eula was the first I crowned talents for and it just felt meh. The real increase for practically all genshin characters is constellations. crowning talents is just the cherry on top. Makes me warry about going thst far for talents, but since im seeing here its an actually great increase maxing a wuwa talent.
@@VoidEnigma I farm since her release and didn't get a single double crit echo still. The rng is cursed, she only has two double crits taken away from Encore
Crit damage is more damage Crite rate is the chance to get that damage In wuwa You need atleast 60 to 70 Crit rate and in Crit damage you need 250 to 300
I play both HSR and WuWa. I'm pretty happy with HSR's system as well, but its Trace system is a lot like Genshin where there's a lot of deminishing returns going from Lv.8 to Lv 10. Personally, most of my characters' talents I leave at Lv.8 since I don't feel like maxing them out is worth the effort. It wasn't until recently when I started getting a lot of surplus from pre-farming mats that I started maxing out some Traces, but never all of them, just 1 or 2 of favorite characters. However, I think the best thing about HSR is that if you don't max out everything, you get to save a lot of Credits so they're no longer an issue for me, whereas WuWa needs credits for a lot of stuff, not just their fortes, and we don't get enough credits to build characters quickly.
@@technicalleon Main problem I have with wuwa is the need of those materials that exiles drop for example, I run out quickly out of them Starrail doesn’t have that problem
Yeah HSR and ZZZ, plus other gacha games have a better system just for the fact that I don't have to run around the map to pick for flowers/materials. Hunting for exile mats reminds me of the times I used to hunt for Ayaka and Raiden mats 😭
@@hizu1551 you can have infinite if you play on other worlds... It takes more time but you can get more. HSR has the golden balls problem... Like I still have shortage of the balls even after playing for a year.
Also ngl but wuwa sucks your money like crazy. For me, a genshin veteran it's such a breath of fresh air that I actually have to farm something instead of just getting a character, slapping my 3 yo artifacts on them and getting top 2% on akasha
