your numbers are wrong you are measuring the sucess in consoles sold, xbox ts making more profit than playstation by selling game pass on their consoles, phones and pc, xbox console users pay xbox making xbox more money from custumers than playstation users pay playstation. thats the real console war. your're miss ussing the term.
People are growing tired of subscription services. We're frustrated with being nickel-and-dimed every month for streaming and other subscriptions. If I can’t own and download my games, you won’t see a dime from me.
I'm not. I love it. U will be left in the past while the future thrives. Plus xbox created a team to push forward compatibility for other generations. U can literally play almost all xbox and 360 games on the XBSX
So you're ready to pay more for physical media, remember the times when you'd pay the same amount for one CD that you pay for Spotify for a month. Yeah I am glad that era is over.
But how often do you return to games you finished? I like to subscribe for a month or two, play a few games (that would be way more expensive to buy.) And cancel the subscription again, to return again later and repeat the cycle. At this point I've bought a ridiculous amount of games but only a handful I occasionally return to.
@@WingMaker2050 that's not actually true.-- you are not left in the past just because you are not someone who prefers to own vs. subscribe till they die. you don't own anything. it's like renting a car on a home. it's not yours, ever. one day that precious internet may not be available as people fight over it. It just might go down one day and then you are in a bad place. we've had the internet 30 to 35 years and that's it. If the internet goes down you are out of everything. No apple music, no spotify, no online games subs and no streaming movies. history has taught us that humans can mess up just about anything and constantly do.
@Michael-le5ph half these current gen games only work if it's online. All the most played games are online only. Plus these games don't come out finished so guess what u have to download a patch. U can't do that if the game is on media. There is only so much storage u can have on a disc unless the studio is willing to give u 2,3 disc's of the game. I tell ppl if u care about physical media just go buy and play old games. Currently physical media is over
Not only that Xbox has a flagrantly low, scarcity of games and what they do have collectively doesn’t match the offerings of the 1st party titles at Sony and Nintendo. If you don’t have the content it’s not going to work.
Diablo, starfield, minecraft,flight simulator,halo,gears of war, age of empires, wolfentein,forza, sea of theuves, doom, all great titles more importantly though, titles that produce revenue years after release. Microsoft has the same average metacritic for their games then Sony does, & their model is more future proof and sustainable as well. Sony admitted in their leaked documents that their model wasn't sustainable and their plans: copy MSFTs model Sony is HANDCUFEED to exclusivity on a console which is increasingly like being handcuffed to bluray player sales in the era of streaming as console is only 30 percent of the market and not growing at all. Additionally most of their consumers are normies that only buy two games a year and one of those two games Is COD 😂😂 If yiu look at their top 25 games MORE of those games are Msft IPs than Sony Ips😂 Sony doesnt even have a SINGLE successful GAS game. closest was helldivers which they unalived themselves, and destiny which sputtered out.They have multiple failures and they just lost 30 billion in stock valuation over the last year because of it. Theyre flailing and they're only strategy seems to be leveraging their marketshare to bribe devs off of xbox which is kind of pathetic Console hasn't grown since the ps3 360 era, its the same consumers buying the same boxes with a big crossover between the two. Msft knew going into this gen that losing the last gen when people built digital libraries meant that winning console wasn't in the cards for them, they pivoted successfully and not only do they have a broader consumerbase they're actually gonna survive this crash we are going through because of it.
@@ArthurDayne69Not at all. Most mobile gaming is "white whaling" making most of their money from a small fraction of their users. They do that by making grossly addicting games with pay to win features.
The video game industry has been ruined by corporate execs who only treat it like a business instead of an art form. To microsoft, the success of a game is not based on how fun it is or how many people play it, it’s based on how much money it brings in through micro transactions and gamepass subs. Creativity in game design has been replaced by creativity in monetization. this is why halo infinite released with a fully functional 150 tier battle pass and only like 3 game modes. why hi fi rush’s studio got shut down despite the game being universally loved and winning a bunch of awards. Until microsoft shifts focus back to real artistry and game design, i’m fully confident that anything they do in gaming in the future will be a failure.
@@OneLastScholar but not as big of a layoff as Microsoft. Subscriptions for games should end, and the only way to keep the gamers gaming is to allow them to keep the game and their game progress. This is not like a film/tv subscription. Games take effort, skill and time to complete. They can't just make anyone subscribe for them and take control of a gamer's fruit of labour.
After decades of screaming that Nintendo is going third party, now that Microsoft is doing it, they're saying Microsoft is "redefining gaming". Weird how last place with billions in the hole gets this piece of propaganda. Phil is the biggest joke of a ceo in gaming and his grand master strategy can't compete against an arm tablet running on 2015 hardware.
> treats their players disrespectfully > treats their studios disrespectfully > treats their devices disrespectfully > lost all game devs who liked the previous console by pricing the next console $500 > lost almost all exclusives including all your good exclusive > hired a terrible studios to ruin their best franchise > lost the console war > becomes a cloud gaming service well played, microsoft.
Tbf if you don't need to Play the games on release you can play almost all ps 5 exclusives on pc as well. It has never been more irrelevant which console you are buying when you own a pc. I think value wise pc plus switch is the best
who actually plays "cloud gaming" or actually wants to hear about it, if they don't fix the high input lag, it will never thrive or be as good as playing the game in your own device
It's at best equivalent to 30 fps story games on console like God Of War, Uncharted 4, Star wars. If you try anything close to racing and shooter (actual games) then difference gets apparent soon.
I’ve been using cloud gaming more often for R6, to save on storage space, and the input lag hasn’t been bad at all, my main complaint in the screen stuttering and occasionally the quality of the stream drops, but there still is basically no input lag. Using it on mobile is lame since to play optimally, you should connect a controller, and most games don’t have touch controls anyways
I remember Atari, Sega Genesis, PlayStation 1, Xbox, Wii and Nintendo and I like them all. We stayed playing Super Mario, Duck Hunt, Donkey Kong, Pac-Man, Ms Pac- Man,Tetris and more.
It's just an ad for Xbox, and most gamers today only heard of fortnite & microtransactions so thats what modern consoles will become as we see PS5 pro is far more expensive than PC now
@@user-br8cc7ve9g True and gaming itself and game consoles have come a very long way! There are many people who still choose to use consoles as well. Some people don’t like to do everything online.❤️
Consoles need to stop charging to access online. The first console to do it will be more popular than the other, I pay full price for the console and my internet, game and those devs pay for servers on there end, no reason for it to exist except to screw over the consumer.
You can thank Microsoft for that. The 360 introduced it first and Sony decided to introduce it too with the PS4, as they saw that xbox consumers were okay with it.
I don't think Microsoft's strategy will work ultimately. Every analyst talks about Game Pass, but Game Pass has high operational costs. Game Pass requires Microsoft to spend heavily to get 3rd party games on the service, eat heavy losses by moving 1st party games to the service, and incur even heavier costs for their cloud game offerings since cloud gaming is incredibly expensive from an operations standpoint. The "console games" industry was built around a loss leader, the console, and recouping the cost from games and accessories as this video mentioned. But live service microtransactions only go so far, live service games are a part of the attention economy. So at best, Microsoft has a couple of lucrative live service titles and a bunch of Concords. At worst, they have a wide library that doesn't make their gaming division show growth. They're sunk in my opinion.
But in your opinion no matter what they do they would be and that is the problem with most of your opinions! No matter what... No matter how innovative or how much more tech or design or power Microsoft gives you for greater value despite the fact that you never even tried it or have never seen the features or heard of half of what they can do, you have committed to them not being good enough and the truth is you are killing off all the great innovation and keeping the industry from moving forward because PS will not design anything new because they not only don't have to but developers fear investing in things that you have already shown you won't even look at because you are so loyal to your tribe!
@@csanders5870 If you're implying I'm rooting for Sony to succeed or Microsoft to fail, you are sorely mistaken. I want a competitive market, but to me, Microsoft has hit an iceberg regarding their console business and supplanting it with a high cost-low return model is not going to increase shareholder value which is more important to Microsoft than innovation. In an adjacent industry, Xerox was incredibly innovative, and yet they're still a relatively small company among the big players. I'm not "killing off" anything and I also don't own a PlayStation 5, in fact I am a Game Pass subscriber.
@@csanders5870 He talks about cost, and that is facts. You either make or lose money. Microsoft only gives you greater value, if the thing on offer provides value to you. What does he need cloud gaming for if he plays locally? Why have game pass if he isn't interested in the games they offer. Why play on the Xbox when all their exclusives are on the PC, and most of them will come to PS5, while that's not the case with PS exclusives. I consider GamePass provides 0 value.
@thomasnielsen5580 that is a choice. Cost is a time value proposition in which Microsoft can lay seeds to plant upfront and if people stop acting the way they have been it would allow further grief and reduce in cost over time. It would also lead to faster response times and an ability to fix errors in code like lag or cheaters. To answer the second part as a person who has the system and 5TB of local storage on their system the current generation of games take 30gb+ per update and 100 to download even if you have the disk and they get updated weekly almost! What you people who don't have Game Pass don't know is that through cloud gaming, that storage and update is done on the network and only the games you want are put on your local drive when you want them and you can switch as needed with 0 loss allowing you to prioritize your memory without buying more equipment or losses and you always start exactly where you were! I have games on my Series X that I have been playing since my 360 and yes I have disk for all my systems too!
Honestly, the whole ‘console war’ thing feels pretty old and unnecessary these days. While the video makes some good points, it misses out on a lot of different aspects of gaming and the variety of platforms out there
I know it's not necessarily possible for everyone's situation, but at least for myself, I own every console. I used to be a pure PS guy alongside Nintendo, and I still primarily use PS5, but I also have a Series S that I enjoy. I figured, why subscribe to arbitrary "console wars" when I can just enjoy what I like? And give myself options? I think most consumers feel this way too. I also believe the rise of crossplay has made the wars obsolete, as now you can play most major MP games on any device with anyone.
Console wars will always be a thing long as there is two competing consoles. Some people just have a preference no matter what. I prefer ps and Nintendo but I have a series x that collects dust.
Every console is dying because the games have died. The games don’t exist anymore. Ps5 and xbox have literally maybe 2 games combined that are original games and arnt remasters. Streaming sadly is the only option for them to be relevant. I miss the days where a console would launch with like 10 new IPs. Long gone are those days
@@Overlandjon that's not true, there are games released every year (exclusive or not). Can't you have fun because there are no exclusives? What kind of stupid mentality is that. We weren't concerned about that back in the days. The problem goes beneath the surface, it has to do with how Gen-Z and millennials attitude towards entertainment, they are losing interest in gaming; and Gen-Alpha is more in favour of mobile gaming (smartphones and handhelds).
@@Overlandjon, 140 million Switchs and 60 million PS5s say otherwise. Even the "failing" Xbox is approaching 30 million this gen. Consoles aren't dying.
@@bobbobbins4877 forget about the Switches, focus on traditional consoles and you realise the numbers are disappointing after 4 years for what was promised to be the greatest generational leap ever. I wouldn't call it "dying" but definitely lost a considerable chunk of the userbase.
I read a line a journalist wrote recently, completely unrelated but the quote related 'those on the side of failure will typically build their own reality'
Pretty sure they are just pivoting because the xbox sold poorly. Not really creating their own reality, I doubt microsoft thinks their move to just selling software will change the gaming industry. The title is just clickbait.
@@168original7nah microsoft definitely claimed to be redefining gaming. whether they actually believe that or not is debatable but they do claim to be doing that.
@@bibby3027 when did they say that? They never said that at all with gamepass. The most they did was hype up the one x as the most powerful console ever, similar to what ps is doing with the ps5 pro.
Windows Phone was also killed prematurely. Microsoft’s frequent changes in its mobile strategy, including its acquisition of Nokia and then pivoting away from hardware, caused confusion and inconsistency in the market.
Windows Phone wasn’t killed prematurely, ist was killed much too late. Buying a dying company like Nokia and leading with a brand that nobody wanted to buy from at that point was incredibly stupid. It was clear long before that WP didn’t have a chance against Android and iPhone.
This is the WSJ. From a gaming standpoint, Warcraft and Diablo are more impressive. For investors, Candy Crush and CoD leverage the most money, which makes them the most interesting.
@@Realistic_Management Wow still makes a killing. There currently over 7M subscribers up from 3M a few years ago. $15/month. Diablo 4 has had revenue over 1B in a little over a year. Blizzard is very profitable just not the household name Candy Crush and CoD are.
Consoles dont suck these days……Games do……..just stupid endless live service, looter shooter, super annoying flood of colors. A lot of us stopped playing because they stopped making good single player storymode games.
Game Pass and services like it serve one long term purpose: to mandate that you can only get access to games through a subscription service. Then, never allow you to download titles. That's the route gaming is going down under the same economic system that gave rise to it!
gamepass will ruin whatever games go on it, well atleast FPS games like cod. It's going to be impossible to permaban hackers when it's free on gamepass
If I can get 100's of games that run at near native speeds for $16.00, and never have to worry about scratched disks that render my purchase useless, fine by me.
@@WallhacksYT the price of a game is nothing for cheaters. Call of duty mp had so many cheaters and that before gamepass was a thing. People don't know but cheating is expensive, a good cheat can cost from 200 to 500 dollars.
The QUALITY of video games has declined so much and the GREED of sellers has increased so much (NO video game is worth $70) in the last 20 years that they are LITERALLY no worth the time and money. And Microsoft's decision to CONSTANTLY wreck Windows OS with features that NO ONE but them want is quickly pushing me and others AWAY from their products to other software publishers. 90% of the video games I play are 20 years old or older, one in particular came out in 2004 that I still play today (literally) and have an estimated 25,000+ hours of playtime. The last NEW game I bought was Frostpunk. Bought it the first week of release and I plan on buying Frostpunk 2 day after tomorrow when it is released, too. 11 Bit Studios knows how to make a QUALTY video game unlike Bethesda, Activision, Amazon, Firaxis and others. And 11 Bit isn't charging $70 either. Just one more reason to trust them.
How is the the company who lost every aspect they go in “redefine gaming”? WSJ got the instructions from Microsoft: say anything positive about Xbox against PlayStation, QUICK!!
Why don’t they go charge the military industrial complex a subscription fee instead. Always trying to fleece the normal everyday person. They ain’t winning this game anyway, I rather go out side and kick rocks with the homies.
I was an Xbox and Xbox 360 owner growing up and loved the brand. Then the Xbox One happen and Microsoft dropped the ball with the disaster it was. I slowing transition to PlayStation and own a PS5 now.
I moved to pc after using an Xbox one and Wii, why buy a console when it all comes to pc anyway? No paid online play and cheaper games too, a steam deck, rog ally legion go etc is cheap especially refurbished.
@@keijijohnson9754it is cheaper on pc, you don't get free aaa games on the epic games store or free indies and old games on gog, stuff like cashback on games or super discounted steam key bundles.
@@keijijohnson9754 console games sales is not as impressive as steam sales and third party key resellers... heck if you have the option for piracy if you are into that.. (not honorable but hey there's an option for that) That's the beauty of PC being open source.. compared to home consoles which are just PCs but with locked down environment.
Like seriously I got gta 5, sniper elite, tomb raider, death stranding, borderlands, ghostwhire tokyo etc for free on the epic gsmes stote. That literally wouldn't happen on console. Also cashback.
Subscriber growth won't happen becuase the exact same product is available on their competitors. Microsoft lacks a clear strategy, they are trying everything at one time. Why pay for Gamepass, when I can just buy the one game I want to play on Playstation.
Maybe bc with gamepass u can play day one games and still buy games. U don't have to sub to gamepass but it's so good u would be stupid not too lol that's why it gets so much attention. I love gamepass
@@WingMaker2050Gamepass doesn’t get so much attention. It’s loss money every single year since release. It’s also stupid to subscribe to game pass AND THEN BUY the games. That defeats the point of even subscribing. Only someone who works for Microsoft or a shareholder or an outright fanboy would recommend that.
@@ritzkola2302 Gamepass is a profitable business for xbox. It says so in the video. The problem is that why would I subscribe to gamepass for the one game I want, and why would I buy and Xbox for gamepass when the same product is on PlayStation. Its a very simple delima. The solution is not simple though, if xbox tries a true exclusive strategy then it will have an adoption issue with such a small population size. Also spending alsmot $100 billion means they need to generate revenue before they can actually make gamepass exclusive, so they are putting games on PlayStation to increase ROI on the investments. However to increase ROI and put games on PS means the Xbox brand is diminishing in value, as Gamepass isn't a compelling enough reason for most gamers.
Game industry veteran and now co-owner of a studio, Xbox isn’t redefining anything at this time, they are bleeding hard and they have just lost 650 people they-themselves are letting go of, Xbox Pass is sold at a loss and like the video says only 6% or so use the highest tier for games. For it to “get better” the internet needs to 20x in Des Moines, IO, or a random place. Sadly this means - PC gaming is here, if Microsoft can lose the “war” it doesn’t mean PS5 is winning - it means most gamers are on PC
I got the online Game Pass last year and never bought the console. Can stream all of Microsoft’s games anytime, even the newest ones. Very happy with this setup. Edited: Yes, Microsoft, not Sony. My bad.
8 million sold last year of the new xbos model, that's not bad. So it's not sonys 20 million and Nintendo 17 million... So what. It has a fan base and it has sales. Why is everything about winning.
Windows Phone was also killed prematurely. Microsoft’s frequent changes in its mobile strategy, including its acquisition of Nokia and then pivoting away from hardware, caused confusion and inconsistency in the market.
@@user-2x5s-r5x6 not really MS fault with windows phone... That SnapCrap CEO said they would not develop an app, most others followed suit or had done already. No point keeping something going when devs won't develop lol. This is different, games on devices are the future... Look at Steam Deck and the handheld that's spawning, that's where MS will be next, maybe not hardeear but certainly on the handheld.
@@JayD-e2wit is actually 100% Microsoft fault. They decided to lock down the ecosystem at the start. Its was hard for devs to make apps for Windows phone
@@Random_dud31 I was one... They paid well, it was open as F. But, due to a 7% share it was not worth the effort from the large players at the time. Speak about what you know dude, not what you heard. Litterally withing a month if SnapCrap hitting the 500k downloads a month and they said no windows app everything went. All the banks stopped, shopping sites etc... It just stopped.
Microsoft was wrong on why the 360 was successful. That’s why they are losing now. They could just have asked me and they would have been selling a lot of consoles now. 1- launch exclusive single player games not available on PC. 2- remember the beginning of the 360. Single player exclusives sell consoles. 3 - you didn’t need to beat Sony to be successful. But the train Sony is successful is because people already know they will get plenty single player exclusives.
Xbox should stay faithful to the Series X until 2032. If PS6 came out today, nobody would be interested, so Xbox needs to maximize their console by adding good games.
Why would Microsoft pay for an ad with this title, while its new bets are also on the Xbox brand? These 28 million Xbox numbers are not official or released by MS. VGChartz has estimates that Xbox is already closer to 30 million, which I believe will hit the 30 million mark with their new updates. Additionally, Xbox is already working on a new console.
The main takeaway is to not listen to anything Phil Spencer says. He regularly contradicts himself and is consistently forced to backtrack and re-explain the things he drops in the exhausting amount of interviews he puts himself into. His entire executive team literally don't know when to stop talking. Stark contrast to Sony Playstation execs who rarely communicate at all.
@@adnan8837 I moved to pc from an xbox ome, why buy a ps5 or xbox if all of those games get ported to pc anyway? You have to pay fee just to play online on console too. And games are more expensive. Pc gaming is quite cheap, you can get a pc handheld like the steam deck or rog ally cheap especiallu used. And there are many games that go on sale. Not to mention free aaa games on epic.
Switched to pc, why buy a ps5 or xbox if all of those games get ported to pc, and you don't have to pay for online? Pc is cheaper to get into aswell with stuff like the steam deck and rog ally, espicially refurbished. And aaa and indie games are cheaper and even free sometimes like on the epic games store.
glad I didn't switch to PS. Xbox has now better consoles, better features, better services, much more first-party studios, much more first-party games already out and to come, and more affordable consoles/controlers/services
Xbox has been losing the console war for last 10 years. Gears of war & Halo made them superior in the 2000’s & early 2010’s but both are dead franchises now
Misleading video without much context, e.g., over 2500 job losses, expensive studio acquisitions leading to increased subscription prices with non-sensical tiers, no definitive strategy on exclusive IP, etc.
Its time for xbox to become a software company and leave the hardware sector before they lose everything they work hard for. They need to revive xbox marketplace and start a online redbox/blockbuster style rental service.
Great video. People think that because of console sales, Microsoft has lost. They own half of the IP in the gaming industry. As long as the number one game on PlayStation continues to be Xbox games, Xbox isn't going anywhere. Just an FYI
PS5 behaves more like an iPhone ,people just want it because it is prestigious .Social media helped PS5 a lot. People who had never played a video game before wanted a PS5 because they saw it in a video, i would say that half of the PS5 owners never played a console exclusive game
Stop trying to be delusional, pa5 is like an iphone. Playstation releases one of the best exclusive games out there and that’s one of the factor why it is popular. And people excluding West prefers playstation.
@@ArthurDayne69 This doesn't change the fact that people who have never owned a console in their lives, who know nothing about video games, bought a PS5 because it was hyped on social media.
@@ArthurDayne69 do you want to get technical? what about the specs on the xbox series X ? people can play any game better on the X compared to the PS5! no one plays only exclusives!
I was an Xbox fan back when I was a teenager. While I grew up with Sony and Nintendo, the Xbox and 360 did have some advantages. That said, I left Xbox after the One, and left consoles altogether for PC back in 2020. I will never accept cloud gaming. Feel free to call me a boomerz I don't care.
PC MASTER RACE CLEARS. Console gaming in 2024 is dead Sony games are all coming to PC plus the consoles are too expensive while they kill off physical media and push live service
It’s not dead - it’s a bit stale at the moment due to the lead times in gaming development sure but let’s see when GTA6 comes out if console gaming is dead ?
@@Eaglescott Exactly. Console gaming won't die because it's the casual gaming experience, When gta 6 comes out its gonna be exclusively on Console for at least a year before PC because Rockstar knows PC users are bums and are going to pirate it.
The ps3 outsold the 360?! That's baffling, I still can't wrap my head around that. The ps3 was unpopular at the time and the 360 is one of the most beloved consoles ever
I'm a lifelong PlayStation fan, but for the first time, I'm rooting for Xbox. Sony doesn't have any real competition, and it's starting to create a monopoly. Now they're pushing a mid-gen refresh for €800, which feels excessive.
Your gaming gaming future is now looming, digital only, $1000 console, ever increasing subscription that will eventually be mandatory to use your $1000 console....and that us just the start, so you may not like were this goes, but remember you wanted it. Lol
@bob23301 @bob23301 I didn't want this. . . and I will reject it. If consoles ever become $1000 and no more physical media of games exist then I stop gaming. Simple as that
I remember back when you would go to the store, pick a game, buy it, go back home and play it and enjoy it. Now, you give your personal information to a company, spend money on their service every month, pick a game out of a huge selection of games, play it before it is removed and then move on to the next. Gaming today is no different than modern film or TV. It's not about enjoying an experience, but about consuming. During the PS1 and PS2 era, you could call this an art form and a respectable form of entertainment. Today, gaming is neither of those. Because I'm unbelievably dumb, I will buy a PS5. That will be it. I'm too tired of greedy, idiotic CEOs and incompetent developers to still spend money on this industry in the future. Remember when games were innovative and surprising? Now pretty much every game is derivative from something else. 5 names: Assassin's Creed, Modern Warfare, Dark Souls, Breath of the Wild and Fortnite. Even indie games are typically just the same old junk. You can pick 1000 indie games and 500 of them will be 2D platformers, while the remaining 500 will be "homages" to Mega Man or something. It sucks. Excuse my poor English! And thanks for reading.
Xbox Game Pass is EASILY superior to the Xbox console, in 5 to 10 years it will dominate every platform across PC and consoles I'm calling it. Google Stadia was always trash, and no one is matching Microsoft in Cloud Gaming, not even close. Microsoft is making the smart play by shifting to AI and Cloud, just as Sony fumbled the ball with the PS5 Pro's obscene pricing and laughable removal of features from the original Playstation 5.
They're pushing it way too hard. Also face it, AI is going nowhere. Its already controversial and overtime its just gonna get worse due to ai training off of more ai content.