Fun Fact: You should NOT try to play a Betamax tape in a VHS machine, Nor a MiniDisc in an 8-Track player. Join me on my next TED talk about things NOT to do while high.
When I was 16 a friend and I were hanging out and we decided to see what would happen if we put the magnetic media from a 3+1/2 floppy disk in to the DVD drive on a PC. The tray opened up, the magnetic plastic plus metal hub set perfectly in the middle, the drive closed, the drive struggled to do anything. When I pushed the tray open button the tray slid out but the disk was GONE! Turns out the mechanism inside for holding a CD/DVD had magnetic tension so the steel insert in the centre of the 3+1/2 disk had stuck perfectly on to the magnets.... My friend laughed uncontrollably... Took an hour to get it out with careful tweezering.
Fun fact: Betamax doesn't fit or look like it would fit in a VHS, and neither does a MiniDisc in regards to an 8-track player. Vinyl _does_ fit on a gramaphone, and the technology looks remarkably similar to those who don't know much about the differences or what to look for. Try harder next time, and come up with better examples...then it'll be funny.
@@tiredoftheliesalreadyI said "while high..😵💫So the examples are supposed to be absurd. And the channels owner thought it was funny and even "hearted" it.🤔 Plus a MiniDisk is much smaller than an 8track. You certainly CAN put a MiniDisk in an 8Track deck. You'd have to disassemble it to get your disk back.
2 of my recently purchased vinyls are scratched but they didn't deserve that pain! 😭😭 I hope someone knows how to re clean them and bring them back to a state like they are brand new!
Thanks for the advice. I always wondered what WOULD happen if you were to play a more modern or contemporary record on an old-school gramophone (especially a wind-up one.)
Considering that your 'gramophone' is actually a crapophone (a badly made Indian fake antique), you shouldn't even play decent 78s on it: it will chew them up as well. Also, late electric 78s, from the mid 1930s on, should not be played on any acoustic machine. Those records were made with softer shellac, designed to be played with lighter electric pickups, and did not have the fillers that would shape the needle into compliance with the record groove. Furthermore, they were recorded with much higher modulation, which can damage older reproducers. If you have a *genuine* acoustic horn gramophone, generally stick to acoustic recordings from before 1925 or so. The somewhat later 'Orthophonic', 'Viva-Tonal', and similar acoustic machines from the late '20s, were better designed for early electric records.
What really annoys me is that most records don’t even say when they came out, so you have to look it up on Discogs. On the plus side, if a 78 specifically says the speed is 78, you know it came out *after* the LP was invented in the late 1940s, hence the need for that distinction.
@@nnewt8445 True. No one before 1948 called shellac 78 RPM records "78s" they were just called "records" (many were cut at 80 RPM too, so there's that!) "78s" is a "retronym", just like when people today call LPs and 45's "Vinyl" or even though SOME are actually NYLON.
There are a few easy ways to tell old records age. VICTOR was VICTOR TALKING MACHIE until purchase in 192i. If any mention of RCA tn combination with "talking machine" its from 1928 to 1933 transitin, after wards mention of talking machine dropped. VICTORS with "0rthophonic" or "VE" on label from 1924 to 1930. Columbias saying "VivaTone" early electric. Any brand of 1920s record having lightning bolts, ⚡ on labels like Edison needle, or "ELECTRIC" 'Electrical process" "New Process"' or capitol Eoldef near center of record or printed on label sometimes near number is mid20s to early 30s ( 3837 E) After about 1933 "all" records were electric, so designation dropped.
Very nice to hear what it would sound. What about putting a gramophone record into a modern record player? If you can't play modern records onto a classical phonograph, why not the other way around. Who's to say it would work. I wouldn't be too suprised.
You can and I do but ideally it should actually support 78 RPM and you should have a larger stylus for the wider grooves of old shellac records because the normal LP size would just sink to the bottom of the groove and not read it properly, making the infamous swishing noise. Whether to use a stereo cartridge or a true mono cartridge is a topic of much debate and depends on use cases such as casual listening vs. archiving and how you want to go about the latter. Stereo lets you pick the less noisy groove wall but mono has less surface noise overall because mono cartridges don't read verticality which the standard laterally cut 78 RPM records don't have anyway. Pathé records and Edison Diamond Discs are vertically cut records however.
You could use a modern needle or stylus and retrofit it to a horn. You could also use an old timer ear phone and hook it up to the cartridge and use a horn to amplify the sound. It won't ruin you collection and you will have some volume. It's best just to play acoustical records on the old phonograph and play newer records on an old stereo. Mono records should be played on a hi fi record player and stereo records using a stereo cartridge and stylus I was also told a wired stereo cartridge can be hooked up to a mono record player. If you don't have a stereo record player. Some mono stylus can ruin a stereo record. You need to match up record to cartridge types. This is old school music reproduction. Some things should be played on the era equipment that it was made for. You can backwards a CD to an old tube amp but to play old music recordings don't play on modern equipment. My 45 don't fit in my CD player or could play if it could fit. Two different eras for music. 73
You sure there’s not too much tracking force on a gramophone arm? Because that’s my main concern - even a dinky little Crosley player is notorious for eating the records it was designed for.
@@nnewt8445 that has nothing to do with using a modern tone arm on an old record player. Modern tone arms has much lighter tracking. It depends on the record on how much tracking is right old records can have more weight. A hifi record player arm was heavier but didn't hurt any of my old mono records. I would not play stereo records on a mono record player unless I wire a stereo cartridge and adjust the wright. A talking book tone arm was heavy but maybe because the spring was missing I remember the spring coming undone and the tone arm was too heavy and you could hear the difference (more distortion). Bottom line just use modern turn tables for modern records. Every manufacturing company claims theirs is the best do your own research and not listen to a salesman. 73
You shouldn’t play ANYTHING on those old things unless they’re already screwed. I have nice rock 78s and they get a standard ceramic cartridge with a proper stylus at 4.5 grams. It’s futile to play 78s with a magnetic cartridge at 2.5 grams - they’re just too noisy; they need a bit more pressure because the grooves are gigantic compared to modern vinyl.
There are magnetic cartridges that are recommended to track heavier. AT-MONO3SP T 5g, MP-110 with a wider stylus at 3g or higher (normally up to 2g for vinyl), and others.
@@charlottewhyte9804 yes agree. Vinyl no the speed is too fast to play a 45 or slower and the needle is just what it is a needle. Vinyl records need a stylus and cartridge with proper tracking. 73
You are my hero thank you. I tried playing a new record on my antique phonograph and it kept skipping. Any way to fix this or its just won’t work to play new records on old antique turntables?
Um YES...and NO. Early NON EDISON disk records had only a "side to side" modulation. Edison disk records ("Diamond Disk"s) used an "up and down" modulation. (Edison's cylinder records ALSO use a vertically modulated groove). "Modern" stereo (Post 1958) records used (and still do..) use BOTH! (needed for 2 channel sound..). The BIGGEST problem with playing an LP or 45 on anything designed for 78 RPM records is: 1, Obviously the SPEED is wrong for both. 2, LPs and 45's are "microgroove" records. a 78 rpm stylus is just too big and will gouge the grooves. Record players form the 1950's till the 1980's often had a "flippable" stylus carrier with one for 78's and the other for LPs/45s for this very reason.
I recently inherited a pretty good size collection of 78rpm records. Now, I just need to find a gramophone to play them on (but I suspect I’ll end up buying a special cartridge and stylus so that I can play them on one of my Pro-Ject turntables instead)
Wind up record players are yes made for shellac 78s not modern Vinyl records.But you can play a shellac 78 record on a modern 3 or 4 speed record player
I used to play old records on my hi fi and turned down the treble to get rid of the noise. It's like I never listen to Rock and Roll. I didn't fit well with my peers but I got an appreciation for big band and early modern music. I did have some R and R favorites but my favorite genre was beautiful music and Classical music and of course Big Band music. It's funny you stick with what you grew up listening to. 73
@@ronb6182 It can also play doo-wop, early rock & roll 78’s from the 1950’s on a wind phonograph or gramophone. I have a bunch of 78’s from the 1950’s and it plays good on a gramophone. I remember listening to “A Thousand Miles Away” by the Heartbeats and “A Sunday Kind Of Love” by the Harptones or “Goodnight Sweetheart Goodnight” by the Spaniels, they all sounded good on my Victor Orthophonic VV 8-4.
couldn't a finer thinner needle be used that would play on the finer 45 rpm record tracks . the 78 records had large music tracks and the old record players had large needles to play in the larger sound tracks .
Are there any modern shellac records you can play on your gramophone? Fortionatly you can easly get vinyl records nowadays cuz they are made again, what about shellac ones? Also, can you play a shellac record on a modern record player?
I'm sure that Lionel Richie record was made out of styrene also. A regular vinyl record may be minutely more forgiving, but definitely don't try it at home. You basically re recorded it. That is a great demo.
It will not cause damage provided you have the proper 3 mil stylus to play old gramophone 78 records on a modern turntable,and should of course play 78rpm,if you play a microgroove stylus it will sound poor and could cause damage to needle.
You can play vinyl mate on gramophones but it has to be 78 rpm I’ve been doing it for ages absolutely fine. 45 rpm however are actually shite and shouldn’t be done on a gramophone
Hello. Since this shows that modern records cannot be played on old gramophones because of the different material and revs. Is it possible to RECORD, modern songs on a Shellac 78, then play it on a grammophone? Thank you.
This is getting deep. You could use the turntable and then use a tone arm and hook it up to the old high impedance earphone. You will have to slow the turntable down to 45 or 33 and 1/3 rpm. I don't think you will get good results using the horn. Head and earphones would work better in this experiment. It's something you might get your child interested in. We did a similar experiment using a straight pin and a milk carton on a record player. It ruined the record if it wasn't already but you did hear sound. 73
@@recordsnphonographs7263 I don’t remember why I posted that comment. But I did watch the whole video, and you never commented on that, you only commented on the tracking weight of the gramophone stylus.
I think you can l, when the Amplifier quit I could still hear the record playing from the stylus and cartridge . If there is a will there is a way. It may not be practical but it may have better results. Mods need to be done on equipment you cannot expect to just put a record on and play with the wrong needle. Even a 78 will ruin with an LP stylus. Both could be damaged . 73
@@pip5528 I played the “Pinocchio” soundtrack 78 on my Victor Orthophonic and they sound pretty darn good. I played “When You Wish Upon A Star” on my windup phonograph and it sounds amazing. I also tried to play doo-wop from the 1950’s on my windup phonograph and it sounds not too bad depending how loud it is.
It's absurd to put a disc on a gramophone that's not in the right format. Start with a 78 rpm disc, then it'll work. It's not a problem of recording era. You could very well record today's music on a 78 rpm disc.
Please for your sake get a real antique phonograph. What you have is an Indian crap-o-phone. A modern reproduction with poor quality materials and horrible quality. Get yourself something like a VV-IV or a VV-VI to start off. Perhaps a suitcase portable. Anything besides that modern piece of junk.
At least someone is making new old stock it's for people who cannot afford to buy an antique record player. It doesn't matter where it's made I seen worst in the stores made from China. 73
