Why You're Probably Overrating Xilonen 

Hey guys, please watch the video and hear the concerns before you jump to conclusions 👋 I think it's very easy to get caught up in all this initial hype and miss genuine potential issues Edit: 20:25 is an editing mistake 😅 I should have put a mualani team on screen when showing a team where Xilonen could lose the scroll artifact set. Ignore navia

Good video overall with some relevant points to keep in mind. Xilonen is very hyped right now and may appear overrated in some circles or calcs, but she is simultaneously indisputably powerful. Odds are good the top three staple 5-stars (Furina, Kazuha, Nahida) will become the top four with her release. That said, I think you're underrating a few things here: - Xilonen's buff uptime, especially in multi-wave content - Vertical investment on Xilonen, which buffs all her teams - Value and versatility of essentially having two Kazuhas in a game where the hardest content requires two teams of four - A bit more nitpicky: worst-case assumptions for Xilonen pitted against best-case assumptions for alternatives

Xianlings ICD doesnt matter because you have a 1s team wide icd regardless for crystalize if you slow down the footage you can clearly see you got the same amount of shots on every single team, including Furinas. The only problem I'd have with Xilonen and Navia is exactly this, if I start rotation with Navias burst its completely possible that Navias burst steals the crystalize during Xilonens field time and I manage to not proc the scroll set.

I think we get so many main DPS that it's worth celebrating getting a very good competent support because we only have so many of those, like my friend has a problem where he has 7 main dps characters because he likes them, but they all use Bennet as BIS >.

20:20 I see it as, if Xilonen uses scroll then Mavuika doesn't need to use it and can go for a dps set. It's like deepwood with dendro DPS characters, if you have a support who uses deepwood then you can go for other dps sets on the dps. Also, petra exists so you can put that on xilonen if you want scroll on mavuika. 22:10 Xilonen's burst is only needed for healing. Her actual buffing is with E and 2 NAs which takes a very small amount of time. I don't blame you since it's very hard to get this just looking at her kit and not at leaks

Your perspective focuses too much on single team performance, and completely ignores the fact that you need two teams in abyss. Xilonen doesn’t need to be a Kazuha upgrade to be extremely useful. She could be a side grade or even modest downgrade (which I don’t think she is); she only needs to be the best option for many teams when Kazuha is unavailable to be very valuable to an account. Also if you’re going to analyze vertical investment, you should do the same for Xilonen. How valuable is C2 Xilonen? Neuv’s weapon is good on Neuv, but does it have the same account value as cons on Xilonen? Etc.

Hello, king Wrio glazer here I do think your tune will change slightly when you see her setup time and ease of use. You said it yourself, the burst just seems to heal. You can't glaze Kazuha too hard for his fast field time without burst usage without mentioning her fast field time without burst usage. If we have an abyss again with three single target bosses, she's just uncontestably the best for many of the meta teams. If anything i think mentioning her "long animation burst time" is silly because the answer is "just dont use it lol". Your scrolls point is good and people should keep that in mind. I also do see a future (re: mauvika) where she could be an XL upgrade who uses scrolls, which makes Xilo scrolls awkward. On the same vein, I don't think it's too crazy to think they'll release a new set for her too specifically because of this. I don't like your point regarding cons; as you've said, you're not looking at leaks, so it's silly to bring up vertical con investment on DPS without factoring in vertical con investment on Xilo. You mention it as an afterthought at the end, but you may as well remove the entire section(s) regarding cons. Neuv, Mualani and Furina have disgusting C1/C2s... but so will Xilo, on a support who is much more generic. It's like not knowing what Furina C1/C2 do and making an argument Neuv C1 is better because it does a lot. Kazuha C2 doesn't even do anything for a lot of teams since you don't burst, but I have to imagine Xilo C2 as a new unit does :) I don't think Zhongli is a fair comparison. When people say "Xilonen is Kazuha" they're referring to Res Shred + Buff, which is the same as Kazuha Buff + Res Shred. One provides grouping and one provides healing. I know you touched on that in this video, but you can't make a point that she can't be compared to Kazuha because hes a "the premium grouper first and then a buffer second" while instead comparing her to Zhongli who is a "shield first and a buffer second". On any content that does not require grouping or is grouping agnostic, Kazuha and Xilo are basically identical units except one can do double swirl tech and the other has longer res shred uptime. For a more casual perspective, you can now run a top+bottom half Xilo Neuv team and a Kazuha Clorinde team. That's already massive for the vast majority of the playerbase and makes her a exceptionally value pull. I think this fact alone makes her unable to be "overrated". It would be like calling Kazuha overrated in 2024 because Sucrose exists. I don't think she power creeps too much, but she adds another universal support shredder to the roster which was desperately needed, while opening up Geo (and double geo as a result) to more teams. Regardless of my disagreements here, I think you bring up some good points (especially on the Navia front). However, you forgot the best DPS in the game, Wriothesley, so this video is incomplete.

The video is reasonable except for one thing, I don't get comparing characters constellations to whole new support cuz by that argument no support is worth pulling for since you can technically replace kazuha and zhongli with sucrose and Kachina then pull for c1 on neuvillette/mualani. Just because a constellation might be a bigger upgrade that doesn't take from the fact that she's bis for that team. That's a valid criticism for supports in general and has nothing to do with xilonen's kit. Also how are you the most positive about mualani when her and neuvillette have the exact same criticism? 😅

It's interesting how this is the first time I see anyone talk about crystallize generation for Navia teams. It's a point I always bring up when discussing her teams, but most people don't seem to consider it at all That and double crystallise setups being awkward are the two biggest nitpicks I've had with people saying she'll be the strongest possible support for most teams

Your Chiori being c1 seem to be the reason why you have consistent shard generation. my Chiori is c0 and she gives my Navia only 1 more shard compare to my solo geo team, for only like 50% of the time at best. so between Chiori and Xilonen, I think Xilonen is a strict upgrade to Navia team, especially if her role is hypercarry.

I try to understand you and let me just say i appreciate you for trying to set our expectations, but... First, You're comparing mualani cons to a whole character without consideration of what xilonen brings outside of mualani, plus there are two abyss halfs... is you're op mualani gonna jump over to the other??? and you miss the fact that the op mualani teams usually lack a sustain, which is something non-speedrunners aka 90% of players aren't gonna attempt.

Your take on Neuvillette team is a bit strange to me 1) why do we even need any supports? Can't i just pull for c6 Neuvillette then? If in your opinion xilo is worse than c1 Neuv then i can skip Furina and Kazuha too and just pull for c6. Same with Arle, like i can skip Kazuha and Bennet and just pull c6. You can say this about any dps 2) what if i already have c1 Neuvillette😂? 3) xilonen banner is starting in a few days while Neuvillette banner is not, so why should i skip xilo now and wait to pull for Neuv cons? 4) we have 2 halfs in abyss, even if xilo isn't better than c1 you can use her with other characters. C1 Neuv buffs only his own damage, xilo gives buffs to many other characters 5) xilo buffs not only Neuv damage but Furina's too so i don't know if c1 Neuv team damage will be higher than c0+xilo team damage 6) I don't really understand your point on "your own account". Xilo buffing c0 Neuv team is a fact, it's objective that this team will do more damage than Zhongli team

Very disingenuous to say that a huge part of her value is scroll and that it’s a reason for her being overrated. That’s a huge part of any natlan character’s value. It’s like saying that Kazuha is overrated because he relies on VV. Or that all anemo characters are overrated bc vv exists. It’s a BONUS, not a detraction. Mavuika and future natlan chsracters likely won’t have Xilonen’s kit. And her kit is what puts her above other characters like Kachina as a support. And it’s also plain false. Xilonen’s biggest contribution is the 36% res shred inherent in her kit that doesn’t have to be swirled, is inherent to the team on all nearby enemies rather than being on individual enemies that lose it when one wave dies, and lasts longer than VV buffs for more flexibility in teams.

19:42 mavuika is definitely releasing in 5.3, and we always get new artifact sets in the x.3 versions, so it's likely that she is getting a signature set for herself!

No wriothesley mentioned? Sorry. Mavuika with Xilonen can still hold Archaic Petra by just taking the crystal generated by Xilonen who herself holds Cinder City.

20:25 probably the worst example for your point here because mavuika wouldnt be able to use cinder for navia becasue the wearer has to trigger the reaction and a pyro character cant trigger crystalize.

Me waiting for a new support/buffer for dendro team (for alhaitham)

While a lot of the points are valid, these feel like real nitpicks. Almost as if you're going out of your way to discredit her before you even know her full kit. It's even stranger when you take into account a lot of people hyping her have more information than you as you avoid leaks. Even the strongest characters in the game have weaknesses we can all point out if we tried, Kazuha included. A few of the takes seemed like reaches such as stating her burst is going to delay set up time for Mualani, her burst is used for healing, why the hell would you use it in set up? Also the double swirl thing on electro and hydro? she has geo infusion and all those characters in the Raiden team have off field app, you'd spam NAs for 2 seconds and be good most of the time. In case of Mavuika using the scrolls set she still has petra to fall back on. Also when comparing to Zhongli, petra can only buff one element at a time which is fine for Neuvillette teams, but most other places you're probably running tenacity, which is a significantly worse buff. Those are just a few flaws in your arguments.

20:30 ..... Uhhh, you can't trigger crystallize with a Pyro character?? So on a Navia team Mavuika can't proc Scrolls set, only Xilonen can.

Good vid, i do want to point something out, regarding the Neuv C1 and signature example, im saying this for both casual and speedrunning, yea pulling stuff like C1 and signature weapon over supports for certain dps characters might give you a bit more dmg for said character, but the thing about this is that dps characters get powercreep way easier and faster, maybe eventually we get a stronger Neuv and maybe you stop using him, or maybe the new abyss lineup does't favor said dps character. therefore his C1/weapon become useless, meanwhile the support character can be used with that new stronger character or in that new abyss, i don't think is worth lossing a strong general suport just to get let's say 10% more dmg for only one character. I mean you can get cons and signature, most these days are pretty good, but if i have to chose i whould always prioritize a good suport over weapon/cons, even if they get you a bit more dmg.

I get what your saying but I feel like her main strength is being able to be played in a team with kazuha unlike all the other vv healers we have, 80shred 80 bonus will be crazy no healer can do that

No point in 25 minutes of speculation when you don't know the value of her res shred, signature wep, or cons. Her kit could be -100% all res for all you know if you are avoiding leaks (or pretending to for the sake of your partnership). Most of what you said just goes out the window depending on her tuning.

I'm hoping for something that makes Clorinde even better. Maybe it will be Mauvika for her overoad comp.

Him: Over analyzing everything down to the smallest details to try to explain why Xilonen is not as good as some people think she is. Me: Pulling for Xilonen because she can scale mountains while skating.

I think i will go for Nahida. I play dendro so much and Nahida is just THE dendro. No other option even comes close to her. She can also even be used on other teams like cryo teams or vape teams. I have a guaranteed this time radish kid isnt gonna escape me this time

Jamie thank you as usual for your insight but I’m at min 5 and I wanted to quickly address a problem with the crystallise showcase in Navia teams. With Kachina you used hold E at the start absorbing nearby shards, probably more than necessary, while with Chiori you used tap E at the beginning meaning that you saved more shards for later, making building up stacks for the 2nd E faster. With Zhongli, I’m fairly sure a shard wasn’t even sucked up because the bosses moved away and still the performance seemed similar if not identical to Kachina. I agree that with a 2nd geo applying geo off field you are more likely to get one or two shards more during Navia’s on field time but because of crystallise ICD it’s really a matter of timings and considering most geo characters have very awful geo application (Kachina, Zhongli, Albedo) it’s not unlikely that their ICD lines up making some geo app wasted , I did some testing with Kachina the other day and I was getting somewhat inconsistent results likely because of that but I didn’t investigate further. Anyway I mainly wanted to mention the hold E thing because it made the demonstration much less convincing.

I'm still pulling since I don't own either Chiori or Zhongli for my Navia. I'm definitely not building my c0 Kachina to 90. Xilonen and Chiori will share a banner, but I'd bet that C0 vs C0, Xilonen wins for Navia. In terms of overall teams, I agree with your stance that Xilonen isn't going to replace Kazuha. Although, any team where they can be played together will have extremely satisfying results. We'll know by next week.

I think you just need put a *disclaimer* at the beginning of your videos that your channel is directed towards min-maxers, speedrunners, whales, etc. not F2P players or beginners. But if we ARE opening the conversation to general account value, then you've lost your marbles if you don't acknowledge how cracked Xilonen is! She offers the highest innate Res Shred in the game at C0. And it's not that Xilonen makes a specific team the strongest of all, it's that she raises the floor for so many units that have few other options to increase their damage (similar to what happened during Furina's realease.) She's less conditional and easier to build than Kazuha, she can work WITH Kazuha (and Furina), and in many cases, match's Kazuha's utility. I don't think what you're saying is wrong, it's just the perspective of a vertical investor. --still much love and respect, Jamie P.S. Xianyun was another "Generalist Upgrade". She could take a useless unit and make playable just because of her kit-mechanic and corresponding buff. Is plunge Barbara meta? NO, but now you're actually using Barbara.

Yes, vertical investment in new dps is worth it but keep in mind that you need 2 teams to clear the abyss… and don’t even get me started on imaginarium where you need 20 something characters AND you are restricted by elements. I am the type of player that actually pulls for cons and weapons for the characters i like but i would not skip an universal support like xilonen, having many characters is now more valuable than ever.

The only true powercreep is how much you like the character that you are willing to invest on him/her over the others. Xilonen: - I find the burst to be a bit underwhelming especially if it only heals the onfield character. - I hope she works with Itto or the mono geo team because it's the team that really needs a good geo buffer the most, unless they made her work best with teams who doesn't need her the most. - Good points on the video about kazuha able to swirl 2 elements as far as info goes she can only shred 1 element if they have 2 of that element type on the team. She can shred 2 if the other one was Geo because she always have the geo up. - as an example cinder city doesn't work well on a raiden team because it will only buff which ever was involve in the reaction that being the case of crystalize Geo & X element. - as for people saying " not all people are that good with kazuha to swirl 2 elements" well that's really on them and people who wants or already have kazuha shouldn't really be discourage to pull him or be force to pull xilonen( and win the 50/50) because a lot of people say "Neuvi & arle top dmg must pull" when a lot of people even with having them can't clear the abyss with full stars due to when you get hit so hard with arle you are force to ult or restart same with Nuevi getting interrupted but if thats the case why not pull Zhongli? Has a shield because arle can't heal and has anti interruption. - she is "versatile" kinda, a lot of supports/buffers are versatile but what makes her a "must pull". Example C0 Chevreuse is already good on overload a C0 4 star vs an expensive star and chev res shred is always up for both pyro and electro on overload. Vs Kazuha: - a lot of enemies on the abyss doesn't need groupings. - this goes for both xilonen and kazuha if you invest on the DPS constellation and signature weapon like Nuevi or arle they clear so fast that you don't really need grouping or buffing that much unless you want that Big wow dmg. Sucrose or Kachina is just enough. - Cinder city buff are a lot easier to get than farming for EM artifacts on kazuha not to mention the Def stats is a lot more common. - Xilonen res shred is a lot more reliable than the swirl reaction. - not everyone's best in slot is bennett so you cant guarantee that pyro swirl all the time unless youre that good. - Both Xilonen and kazuha are not the best to get on a Dendro team a C0/C2 nahida is much better especially she is on Phase 2 banner. As for kazuha on aggravate clorinde not really due to clorinde's clunk it's much more easier for most to use Zhongli because if Clorinde got interrupted that means no dps is 0 dps. vs Zhongli: I will probably just say the positives because there is not much to say lmao he is a really old character. - the best shield in the game no contest. - Good for mental health you get that anti interruption, imagine playing on touchscreen plus the Lagfest galore that primo spent on him will be worth it. Good video a lot of people won't appreciate it that much, but as for me I like it. Gives people to contrast with when there is already a lot of content saying her good/best part.

18:19 I think double buff was always intended for Kaz, as it is even easier to double swirl electro charge. The devs should have tested, known that was possible, and decided to keep it in.

With how mostly everyone focuses on her skills/Res shred + use of the Natlan support set, it's understandable how many can dismiss the other aspects of her kit compared to others. Kazuha's grouping and DMG, Zhongli's Shield+Geo shield breaking, even Crystalize generation for Navia which hadn't crossed my mind along on how future characters MAY be better with the support set. Kinda gives me a new perspective and a good reason to wait and see how she turns out. Looking forward to see details on the sig weapon banner, I've been wondering if Albedo (I like the character) can benefit from either sword.

If you have nahida in team, she applies so much dendro that kazuha can't swirl electro anymore until enemy dies or nahida skill ends, xilonen can bypass this restriction

I think xilonen can be a good 4th slot for a cyno quickbloom team Considering her buffs last 15 seconds and more, cyno can benefit a lot compared to a vv shredder Shes also a geo character with no offield presence so she wont interact with dendro and mess up your reactions. In a furina team she can be the healer instead of baizhu, although the fanfare stacks would be harder to maintain so youd probably get around half of the fanfare buffs Plus she can hold the scrolls artifact set which can buff either furina or cyno. I tried a furina nahida cyno team with zhongli as xilonen temporarily and furina can clear nahidas dendro app initially to allow her (zhongli) to crystalize hydro. Baizhu is probably gonna be a more consistent 4th slot for multiwave content and better survivability but for a boss fight i feel like xilonen will buff cyno more

Always played solo Navia without anorher geo partner, shes more than capable of making enough stacks herself lol

Good video. I think it's important to keep a reasonable level of expectation with a character. At the end of the day, she isn't even out yet. Don't go along with the flow and get the new "must pull meta character" only for them to feel worse to play than your Zhongli.

This speculation seems kinda pointless since mr streamer doesn't look leaks and we are getting official info on everything once creator server videos will be live.

xianyun wasn't underwhelming though. She's a huge buff for hu tao, xiao, diluc, gaming, bennet dps. She was best in slot in for 4 characters and a sidegrade to the whole cast. She made any dps be able to clear by using her plunge multipliers thats a cool and worthwhile gimmick. She easily surpasses every other 5 star support shy of the top 3 of furina, nahida and kazuha. Arle was strong but she wasn't overpowered either. Her usage rate fell off heavy after her debut patch when characters like neuvi overcentralises the whole meta around him. I think jamie just has awful takes and to act like u were right with them is crazy delusional.

Think you are forgetting a huge factor, she looks good af 🤤

Xianyun was probably my favorite characetr to come out in the 4.X patches and her strength is solid

do u think she'll be good wiht arlechinno? as in better than kazuah with her?

I might be mistaken, but many aren't reading about the part that the geo samples only activate when shes in nightsoul mode, meaning on-field so its possible the geo shred is only for herself

the thing about Kazuah's grouping tho is that you don't really need it with Neuvillette for example, some floor also are easy to group by doing some quick movement, and seeing the upcoming Abyss, there's little grouping needed, I feel like they're kinda pulling a Venti on him

She seems like a jack of all trades very good at all of them , not better than niche supports but almost as good. I do think she will be future proof since they can keep doing things like mualani where there's a very specific setup that cant use kazuha . One thing I haven't seen people mention is that natlan characters are buffed by other natlan characters, right now she is the only support but they could just do something like neuvilette where the third stack of the natlan passive is super OP. Personally I'm not a fan of them deciding to make a good general support from the least reactive element, it takes away all the cool interactions of swirls / specific reactions like bloom and overload and it's just "big numbers go brrr", sadly this seems like the direction of 5.0 with the same thing happening to burning.

As someone who hasn't pulled a geo 5* since zhong in 1.5 and IT wanting us to diversify our rosters more (coming from a vertical inverstor), she's a dream for me, especially given she is an upagrade over Zhong in Neuv Hyper who is one of my mains

And there's me : bro I can do roller on a wall with a fckn sick bad girl !

haven't watched yet but the fact that xilonen is bad with anemo and dendro kills her for me. most of my current and future teams involve dendro and all of those teams have supports that they would rather have besides xilonen. she wouldn't be great with my wanderer either.

Great video. She is definetely a strong character but she is not as strong as some people make her to be. I was planning to pull her for my navia team and change zhongli, but im so sure anymore. She would be damage increase, but not as much i was hoping for and loosing that thick shield might not be worth it.

Ultimately it depends on the acc. As for me Xilonen will be a massive upgrade to me because i need more survivability other than grouping in all my teams because most of the time the grouping is useless to me thats why ihv been hesitant to pull for Kazuha. And the fact that she heals massively is even better to me due to having furina as well as her buffs lasting a really long time which zhongli wouldn't help me with

I feel like mavuika is gonna eat a lot of her teams as well

you still need to let go of what casual people say. you try way too hard to disprove and be right about every little thing you saw probably once. On another note you're a speedrunner and that mindset gets pulled into your videos, at times without separation. It creates a muddy mess. You make good videos yet at the same time i have to filter it. Still, the defense of yourself is just whining because someone had a different opinion than you and you just can't let it go. you don't need a revenge call out without naming names.

Ever since you talked about the fact that MH is not efficient to farm for Lyney, I've been excited to hear your hot takes haha

How are you going to make a video when you dont even have the numbers? It's pretty disingenuous for a TC. First vid ive seen of yours and if thats the kind of thing you do it will be the last for sure.

TL:DR 1. Xilonen might not generate enough Geo to produce Crystallized Shards (ICD) for Navia 2. Xilonen might lose Scroll value if Pyro Archon uses it. So Xilonen can lose half her value 3. Xionen won't help your Dendro teams or your Overload teams (Chevy). 4. New DPS's cons are too strong.

Sounds pretty reasonable. That being said I don't quite get the argument at 16:10? Why would you want to crystallize hydro and electro here? Edit: AHH it's because of the artifact set...

Youre gonna get a lotta hate jamie like a LOT, but i appreciate you making this. I think people are looking at her in a vacuum and concluding she’s busted when she might not be that significant an upgrade (if at all an upgrade) in the teams they actually play. Personally, she doesn’t do anything for my Eula/Kinich and she’s worse than Kazuha in my International team. That only leaves Arlecchino and I dont think she beats Chevy in “mono-pyro” or Kazuha in vape, especially when it comes at the opportunity cost of an Arle con.

She can be good on some team, but you are absolutely right about Nuevilete Furina Kazuha Xilonen team. This is my current best team Nuevilete c1r1, Furina c2, Kazuha c0r1 and c0 xilonen with favonius is enough

i do agree with a few points you made hmm from what i have seen people were calling her geo kazuha because of the res shred incorporated into her kit ...but i see where you are coming from , its unfortunate how people are childishly hating on you when we all could be having a meaningful exchange of opinions 😅 anyways we will have to wait and see how she turns out in action... personally i will be pulling her ...meta or not i don't really care

As someone who has been running Wet rock Navia a lot more, since i dislike the circle-impact gameplay of Bennet, I am actually curious if Xilonen would be an upgrade to such team? I generally run Chiori, Navia, Furina and change between Barbara or Kokomi. I do have C2 Furina, so stacking is much easier, and I am thinking that if I used Xilonen instead of Barbara, would I be running 2xATK% on Navia? since there is so much DMG% in the team.

I think ppl like to compare her with Kazuha because of the similar level of res shred, can't shred anemo, dendro or phys like Zhongli, only Geo as plus and the new set is 40% damage bonus like Kazuha's kit (not sure if she can't proc it? she doesn't have off field damage iirc). Yeah I agree pretty much people overvalues ​​her for Navia and maybe Hu Tao? but double swirl setups are very hard for the average player, specially for Arlecchino AND melt setups, her debuff last longer and is multiwave friendly. and she allows to use and offensive fouth slot, since Kazuha doesn't have defesive utility.

Totally agree, people are acting like she's a universal upgrade everywhere, did we forget thar grouping is actually pretty in demand?? I can see her being easier to play in vape/melt since its hard to double swirl.

So I'll wait and see because I was thinking about Navia, but I rarely use her outside of geo-elemental control where Zhongli will always be the best. Regarding Mualani or Neuvillette, I think it depends, but some players won't get constellations or weapons for characters that aren't their favorites (myself included), but will have flexible enough support for them and the other characters might be interesting. About the overhyped, I would say yes, but what's funny is that some players think that now Kazuha will no longer be relevant, trash and impossible to clear the abyss with him because Xilonen exists. I've seen some players insist that they shouldn't pull Kazuha if they hope getting 36 stars. It is just ridiculous.

A classic case of "Wait for actual teseting before pulling." Still, this video has brought me back to reality, if I can say that. It convinced me to wait for testing to judge if Xilonen is a good pull.

I guess one of things we need to consider is whether pyro archon will actually use the Scroll set or she will get a new set just for her. Especially considering hoyo track record for bringing new sets in X.3 though they also had a track record for archons in X.2....

Interesting video for sure, I appreciate the discussion. Definitely still going for her, I'm currently running Navia/Zhongli/Furina/Xianyun as my main Navia team because Bennett is busy and I wasn't able to get Chiori, and I'm confident Xilonen will unlock enough better options overall to be worth.

The Pitchfork: tldr if you dont have kazuha this argument doesn't hold up aka get xilonen. stack generation is ok on solo navia what you forget is the absurd damage buff from xilonen so moot point imo for nuvilette, yes xilonen will match that because unlike these examples of selfish self investment the characters get via cons etc, xilonen does this for the team in many different ways and effects multiple characters which is superior to just nuvi getting his own buff through cons etc. let alone those who dont have him pyro archon could use the other set but more likely there will be a new set introduced that makes her take advantage kind of like arlechino as for the final point: yeah she is actually the coolest character genshin has ever seen thus far in terms of looks style and fun factor for messing around in the overworld, this is very valid as this too effect gameplay directly.

Doesnt read leaks ---- trys to rate the character without knowing numbers and how many particles she generates + buff uptime + character stat scaling. Meanwhile me who reads leaks --- she is broken da broken

I think you are usually pretty good on takes, and all your examples except for the last one was literally proven wrong, kind of funny you bring that up to raise credibility when it does the opposite. You pointed to other people’s take being their preference. The idea of comfort is inherently a preference which also makes your opinion a preference. I’m 3/4 through the video, where is mention on uptime? Or how complex or annoying it is for any normal player to double swirl, man fuck that. It’s so much easier to put up buffs with xilonen lasting 2x the duration on multiple elements

1. she cool 2. I don't have Kazuha 3. I don't have Zhongli :) so that's about how many thoughts I've spent on wheter or not I wanna get her

I want to say I really appreciate you making this video. I've shared similar concerns to how overhyped she's been, and I'm actually going to take it a step further - for f2p/low spenders that care a lot about meta value, I would highly recommend waiting until she reruns to pull for her. There's a chance she ends up being extremely replaceable and being hard to slot into teams in the future. There's two main reasons for this that you briefly touched on, but I want to expand with my own thoughts: 1.) It's not nearly talked about enough how much half her value is tied to 4p cinder city, because she's actually not a great user of it. In teams where Xilonen is the only geo character, the geo buff side of 4p cinder city is being wasted, and in reaction based teams like vape, you would need to crystallize both elements separately, which is going to take time and feel clunky. If Mavuika also uses cinder city, she would instantly trigger the buffs to both pyro and hydro instantly off a single vape, making it much smoother and quicker to play. 2.) Somewhat related to the first point, but something I think is important to highlight. While Xilonen will not be able to stack with future users of 4p cinder city, Kazuha can. This is going to make him potentially far more valuable than her in teams where the reaction trigger can also hold 4p cinder city. For instance, if Citlali is a cryo support that uses 4p cinder city, then Kazuha isn't going anywhere in a freeze or melt comp. If Mavuika can enable Neuvillette to forward vape, then she would replace Xilonen, not Kazuha. Its why I think this idea that Xilonen replaces Kazuha is extremely overstated. While generally I also don't recommend trying to predict the future, I think Xilonen's kind of a unique situation where it's hard not to. Xilonen carries the most future risk of replaceability of any character that I can remember. I actually think Xilonen's saving grace is something that I don't see being talked about a lot - she should be the best user of 4p petra that we've ever gotten, since she would generate the shard while still performing her rotation, which will make it much smoother than who we currently have.

I think your points are good but honestly moving the end of the video to the beginning to explain that you don't think she's bad, just not meta defining, better than kazuha level would help a lot in terms of getting people to understand what your actual take on her is and come off as a lot less confrontational. I was planning on pulling xilonen but as a late game player I realized after watching that it's not like I need her to clear the content and so cons may be better if I'm looking to improve the teams I like

22:00 yes the setup for this team is totally awesome, but if you want comfort, obviously you're trading dps for that, you can just ignore the Xilonen burst when you feel safe, also succrose sets up fast but doesnt heal and its buffs are short duration and single wave, again its a tradeoff and i think most of the cases Xilonen would be better, but yeah it depends on what future abysses would be.

As I said, kazuha is not just buffing, there are already lot of characters who buffs more than him. But the reason he is intemporal is pretty simple: Aside from his insane grouping, there is also simple the fact that as long as elemental shield enemies (lectors, abyssal mages, wayob manifestation...) are, and given the new wayobs enemies, are going to remain the worst ingame enemies (and yes worse than the consecrated beast, because you can just unga bunga them as an idiot, even with the good elements, you have to bring elemental application + consistent elemental swirl to get rid of them efficiently), kazuha will always remain king of supports no matter how much hoyo want to stop him, because those elemental ennemies are the basis of the game mechanics and the reason abyss is instantly more difficult as soon as one of them is here (just look at those fatuis soldiers polychrone who are a pain in the ass), and since kazuha is litetally the only one to screw this mechanic over the most, nothing can surpass him when it comes to value

Broken or not, Meta or not, Powerful or not.... I'm still pulling for atleast 1 copy... I luv Pucci Cats (or whatever kind a cat she is)

I live you thoughts on over hyped pre release characters. I think you are the balancing part of the Genshin community since every single content creators were hyping Xilonen.

Glad to see a level-headed take like this. I think she will be a fantastic character but the level of hype and concern over powercreep really feels over the top to me.

But you used C1 Chiori, C0 Chiori is definitely worse than C0 Xilonen on Navia team, one doll = less geo app, 1/3 damage gone...

I think people are just hyped (not overhyped) for a new support character as the past couple patches, it's all been purely DPS or sub-DPS 5-star chars. And the last 5-star support character we got was a bit underwhelming i.e. sigewinne. I do get the point though that everyone should not expect xilonen to be this "broken powercreep support" as I've seen some CC's putting those words in their thumbnail/title to bait some clicks. But telling everyone to not be hyped for a new promising character is like telling a sport fan to shut up and not cheer for their new favorite team.

the only reason i would want her is for my main ayaka to fight mobs made up of elements like hydro tulpa where you cant swirl cryo (and im not pulling for zhongli cause i find him a little boring). my mualani team with mona, xiangling and kachina is already destroying abyss with too much ease

8:53 “Now check this out!” I loved how you said that

If you dont see leaks it makes no sense at all to argue with out information vs full informed opinions.

The main concern about Xilonen is the fact that you can't stack multiple Cinder City sets. Once Mavuika is out, she'll essentially become a Petra bot with underwhelming healing.

I have a feeling that this will play out to be a (probably less extreme) version of the Furina script. Character is massively overhyped pre-release being claimed to be a near-universal BiS, ends up not actually revolutionizing the meta, but is nevertheless very good and versatile making them a solid choice on a casual level for almost anything, but in the end mostly gets pigeonholed into the new era pushed team where they’re actually BiS, and has some early vertical which makes them *somewhat* live up to the hype if you ignore the fact that the thing being hyped was C0. If there’s a major difference besides the sheer magnitude of hype, it’s probably that for all the pages of sheets claiming Furina would massively improve almost every old character, the only ones where it actually played out were the marginalized ones who weren’t doing very well. But it’s really hard for me to envision Xilonen not sticking when it comes to Neuv, you know your options are bad when Baizhu is the most used 4th. It’s fair to say that Neuv’s C1 or R1 are probably a better upgrade than Xilo, but I think it’s also fair (and realistic) to acknowledge that people willing to vertical him have already had two chances to do so, and most of us have found our comfort zone whether it be C1R1, C3R1, C6R5, whatever. The same goes for Furina vertical. This is a new avenue of investment that people haven’t had the opportunity to do yet, so naturally people are excited about an upgrade.

2:10 zhongli also doesn't have good off field geo app 6:35 you can get away with crystallized shields if you dodge better 7:20 she doesn't 8:08 we don't know if xilonen can't do that and also that's quite niche scenario 9:40 just don't get hit 11:05 EVERY team is capable of clearing abyss it's not like xilonen will make you clear abyss and others won't 12:02 don't pull consts plz they are waste of pulls 18:23 hut tao double hydro kazuha can't swirl pyro so xilonen will be better since she can buff both 19:43 so does VV for kazuha and Petra for zhongli or any good set 22:09 if you care about speed you will probably not use her ult Let me hear what you guys think

I dont really agree with your xianyun statement, you say that she only buffing 3 character? diluc, hu tao, xiao, gaming, navia? Is it count as 3? I know cc like you need some "questionable" take to gain viewers, but cmon man..

I probably gonna use her as a field dps just because of those animations

I jumped off the Kazuha and Nahida bandwagon after Clorinde, the mutliwave application is annoying. I'm a spender so I will get early cons the weapons so comfort is far more important than damage/sweating rotations.

What are your thoughts on replacing kazuha in ayaka freeze? Ayaka can use both Shenhe and Furina (to an extent) while slotting in a res shredder, buffer, and a healer.

Furina isn't an upgrade for neuvillete and hu tao ? Are you sure you aren't just looking at things from speedrunning perspective and comparing it to cringe VV setups ? Because it doesn't seem like we are playing the same game. Also, most of these points are just nitpicks, like saying furina doesn't have xingqiu's res to interruption, yet no one uses xingqiu anymore these days aside from zajeff. I haven't used kazuha in months, and haven't felt the need for grouping because i just delete groupable enemies in 1-2 clicks. Scroll set being used by mavuika can also apply to kazuha and VV. Crystal issues with navia apply to zhongli too, because his pillar is just a myth. If you can play navia with zhongli, you can play her with xilonen. Some of the points are valid, but at the end of the day, those are just specific scenarios. If people get to choose between 15-20s buff window, and 8-10s buff window, not many will chose 8-10 just because you get to group hilichurls.

Always good insights form you, Jamie. Keep doing your honest take and opinions. We can always more objectivity here.

Xilonen would have been great to have during feast of the departed warriors event

You guys pull because of kit strength???? 😅😂

"I dont look at leaks" - Thats where I stopped listening. Speculatimg without numbers, is this guy a joke

I think you made an overall valid point but a lof of comments have already mentioned a few issues with your arguments so no reason to repeat that. I will also say the takes/videos mentioned in the intro are all opinions I generally agree with. Xilonen will be very good and universal but not a direct upgrade to Kazuha/Zhongli or other characters in certain team comps. I can't really talk about it since that would be leaks and info from a tc of my trust. It is prob not true for speedruns but I do not run Zhongli literally ever even though I have him and run my Navia with either ning or Albedo because I am old. And I do excellent. But I am also a normal player, not a speedrunner, so whatever Ig (Zhongli energy regen and crytsallize generation is ass, the geo shield shred on enemies was a valid point though) I think the one argument that will age like milk and has already been criticized multiple times is the vertical investment argument. Her cons are good investments, which you didn't know since you didn't look into leaks, but therefore shot yourself in the leg; prob even more than getting C1 on every dps you want to buff, so that kinda writes itself out. I also think to be the most general, most people are not vertical investers and it is impossible for them to pull or build the most optimal teams. And that is entirely fine, but considering that is the majority of the playerbase it has to be acknowledged. Xilonen will not make Kazuha obsolete just how Kazuha didn't make Sucrose obsolete. One concern is the Neuvi/Xilo/Kaz/Furina team, but that team on paper sounds so ridiculous to me. Like are we srsly hoarding every singular best unit in the game in one team? Yeah no shit it will do well then. But we will have to see on live. Xilonen will prob be the bis for every Natlan team (minus the ones she cant buff which is dendro and anemo dps) but prob a equivalent sidegrade to other supports. Edit: Also aready said by other comments, but the double swirl mechanic is definitely 100% intentional by mhy. They are good programmers. If they weren't, their games would've been unplayable years ago.

The comparison to Kazuha is just because she shreds resistance and kazuha is the go to anemo guy. you're overthinking it. It's just people looking at a kit and having fun. It's not a 1 for 1 kazuha but Geo. Elemental mastery and crystallize is surprisingly okay, if you can pick up the shard. Geo is in this weird spot where you can see if they did 1 change it, wouldn't be at the bottom. There is a wall between every aspect of Geo. The weapon and Con strength has always been a thing. In terms of team DPS, it's just better to skip out on teammates. there isn't much to the topic as team dps has a limit and it hovers around an area. Get a good weapon and those who can properly use it just become your better characters and teams. There's also the point that neuv and Xilo are not on the same banner so being optimal doesn't pan out. If cryo banner being gone for over a year we won't know when he comes back. I feel like the video would be glorified sheets, primo per power earned. If you do, do it, it woud be great to see the more speedrunning aspects than just pure power but i do think at a certain point you'll just run into a few characters that are just too good that they start eclipsing teams. The Natlan artifacts are just too good at the moment. what's gonna happen when other elements get introduced. you can see how they try to avoid certain weapons with certain kits to avoid the stacking. all in all i'm probably go for her. dps wise i can't go back for Mualani.

11:46 Xilonen aside, vertically investing into 5 stars nowadays just isn't worth it. Its a business strategy by Mihoyo to get people to spend more even though the actual content in this game doesn't even demand it. Mihoyo is aware people barely pull characters which is why they even created Imaginarium Theatre in the first place. Eventually, the dps check for IT will catchup to the Abyss. It doesn't actually have to do with having preferences, with the current direction the game is going, the devs want you to pull more characters whether you like it or not.

Can anyone tell me why did he opened the guide menu on 18:40 ???!! I’ve seen many speedrunners and damage showcased do that but I don’t know why 😅

I dislike her design so I'll take anything to feel better about not pulling her lmao 😭

If you don't think she's one of the best characters in the game, I assume you don't think Kazuha is one of the best either? One provides grouping and the other healing. Both have shred. Sure, she won't be theoretical power creep to damage at C0 for the most part, but healing shouldn't be dismissed when looking at value. Being a side grade to one of the best units in the game is how I see it, but not power creep. In the same way Yelan doesn't power creep Xingqiu. If you're rating based on speed runs, that makes sense though since you don't need healing. I appreciate your video on her and you bring up good points, not trying to catch you or anything. The thing I'm most hyped about is honestly the electro buff on C2. I really want to see what C6 Raiden teams can do with that combo. Might even save up for C6 Raiden if it's crazy/fun enough.

But you got it wrong on Neuvillette. His Team DPS with Furina is much better than without her. Around 15k to 20k better DPS.