Why You Shouldn't Use Free Orchestral Libraries (Edirol Orchestra Etc.)

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Some of you aren't going to like this, but here's my thoughts on Edirol, Sonatina and the likes.
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Комментарии : 646

@AlexMoukala 5 лет назад

I also want to stress this was a comparison with a VERY simple track. If I tried to do the same thing with my acutal complex orchestrations, such as this one, Sonatina / Edirol would be blown out of the water: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tJ9wi_eoQpA.html PS. Obviously this only applies if you aim to do music professionally in a field that does not accept lack of realism (which means most of them). There's some fields though, such as indie game soundtracks, where soundfonts would match the aestethic of games and are thus not a problem.

@alonsom.643 5 лет назад

I challenge you to make an One Punch Man style track

@kduy1383 5 лет назад

Hi @Alex Moukala Tutorials :) I just wanted to ask you which DAW is the best to use? I'm a pianist but I am also interested in getting into orchestral arranging.

@woodyoulove-reynaldguibone6890 5 лет назад

@@kduy1383 I think he'll recommend FL Studio because that's what he is using...

@user-xx8gw5nc8g 5 лет назад

Unfortunately practically all freebies required Full version of Kontakt which already costs 400$. But still thanks for the comparison.

@DanielSmith_19 4 года назад

Great video, Alex. I just started out with FL studio and I'm using DSK Overture. Is Metropolis Ark a full Library for orchestral? It's not just like a string library or something?

@PPedroFernandes 5 лет назад

Why you shouldn't use 500 dollars libraries. I don't have 500 dollars. Although, I do understand your point perfectly

@WrektSK 4 года назад

You can get very, very decent orchestral libraries for 250-400 bucks nowadays, especially during sale.

@giftheck 4 года назад

@@WrektSK Or some libraries are available on subscription, like SoundsOnline's ComposerCloud (he mentions it in the video as a suggestion - and some of those libraries in EWQL are used in films and trailers)

@WrektSK 4 года назад

@@giftheck Yeah those as well. I am personally not a fan of subscription services though. As someone just entering his 20s, it's hard to keep paying for something monthly. But yeah, what's worth it is worth it.

@giftheck 4 года назад

@@WrektSK That's an understandable position.

@songfulmusicofsongs 4 года назад

@@WrektSK It's better to know when the sale happens and where. I've never seen any yet. I'm a complete beginner in this stuff.

@DiegoJPinto 4 года назад

But maybe I want my music to sound like Age of Empires II.

@TallicaMan1986 4 года назад

But then you couldn't do Age of Empires: The Movie.

@MaxUgly 4 года назад

@@TallicaMan1986 that is a hilarious concept for a movie!

@Author_SoftwareDesigner 3 года назад

Lmaoo

@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus 2 года назад

I've actually been looking for the Age of Empires II Hammered dulcimer sample for years now

@emanuel_soundtrack 2 года назад

@@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus ask Steve Melin

@Niowiad 5 лет назад

00:55 conducting the orchestra with a mouse pointer like a boss

@yogiconthatrack4335 5 лет назад

pahahahahahahahahaha

@g718ny 5 лет назад

😂

@natehubbardmusic8146 3 года назад

“Why you shouldn’t be poor” 😂

@RahShanProductionsMTU 5 лет назад

The free one sounds like runescape music lol

@agamaz5650 5 лет назад

ikr haha insane how bad it sounds compared to the pro

@Fremmy 5 лет назад

woah, don't shame runescape.

@BlackLynx4607a 5 лет назад

I used Edirol Orchestra for two years, hahah. It's okay, if you're composing for a low budget game or something like that.

@mrquintontheone 4 года назад

Anybody else think that Sonatina at 8:50 sounds amazing?

@abishekraju8787 4 года назад

Lmfao XD

@l3gionmusic814 4 года назад

Obviously when listened side by side it will sound like a large difference, but if you are just using the free stuff from the start you will really not notice any lack of quality. Obviously the people in the film industry etc. are really snobby about everything being as expensive and 'premium' as possible, but if you are just releasing the music yourself you shouldn't go out and waste all your money on some overpriced library. It is very difficult for music producers to ever get noticed at all. It isn't a matter of talent, there is loads of amazing music on RU-vid and Soundcloud with only a couple of plays, much of it is luck. It is also easy for those who already have loads of money and exposure to go on about how simple things are, or how cheap things are.

@maruko8324 4 года назад

Oh man this is very true.

@crystellik 2 года назад

Indeed

@ABE2000 2 года назад

Very true.

@mikeluna2026 2 года назад

Well, if you just care about practicing composition or orchestration, then I'd just prefer using NotePerformer 3 + good mixing and extra reverb. It's cheaper than samples and can sound amazing out of the box. Though, the quality of the composition is a big factor. Large Ensembles/orchestras tend to sound the best and busy/fortissimo sections sound superb (I tried it with Flight to Neverland in Finale and it blew me away, haha...).

@AKMautla 2 года назад

Shut uuppp, he's not talking to those people.

@federicorenkine4340 4 года назад

If you are just learning to score like me and its just a hobbe, use this: sonatina for windwoods, violin section and maybe the horn(in sustain( vsco: for solo violin or organ spitfireLabs: for string section, atmos, piano, mandolin The free orchesta projectSAM: some powerfull brass, and violon Staccato and more And last, percussion i download some samples from difrent places and use it with sforzando

@hedilium 2 года назад

where did you download the percussion samples, pls tell me

@mikeluna2026 2 года назад

Like I said in another post, if you just care about practicing composition or orchestration, then I just prefer using NotePerformer 3 + good mixing and extra reverb. It's way cheaper than samples ($125) and can sound amazing out of the box. Though, the quality of the composition is a big factor. Large Ensembles/orchestras tend to sound the best and busy/fortissimo sections sound superb (I tried it with Flight to Neverland in Finale and it blew me away, haha...).

@obsidiantrumpet8418 5 лет назад

Doesn't it make more sense to buy something that sounds good out of the box? Yeah sometimes but sometimes it is also extremely helpful to get along with free stuff because your own creativity will be more challenged.

@SuzuneTakada 2 года назад

Edirol Orchestral isn't free. It's just discontinued obsolete commercial virtual instrument.

@kalenbaker7901 4 года назад

I actually really like the free ones. Sounds like some dope dungeon synth. Guess it depends on your artistic intent and what you want to do with your sound.

@SlyHikari03 2 года назад

Same.

@BVK. 8 месяцев назад

Stylistic Choices

@neutrinosky3144 5 лет назад

I used to use free libraries such as fl keys as piano, but now I can’t stand the sound, it sounds like playing plastic instead of playing the piano

@Casur1N 5 лет назад

Keyzone Classic has two pianos that sound pretty well, and if you have Kontakt "Piano in 162" by Ivy Audio is really good

@vodun270 5 лет назад

Keyzone classic is the best free piano VST hands down

@agamaz5650 5 лет назад

@@vodun270 pianoteq 6

@davidesp00 5 лет назад

4Front Piano is an AMAZING Free Piano VST

@r0zemary 5 лет назад

Try the piano packs from DirectWave

@nathanielwilcox7294 3 года назад

Just another music snob. You don't need expensive instruments nor do you need expensive programs to get the job done. I personally use Mixcraft 9 Pro Studio and it's far less expensive, it's easy to use, and it has everything you need including a video editor so. And with the right eqing and mastering you can make free instruments sound more realistic.

@LittleRichard1988 Год назад

I have done loads of projects in Mixcraft RS using just stock VSTs in the past and at the time I thought the Acoustica Instruments sounds were good samples even though I don't really use them that much now. But when it comes to VST effects I nearly always use DAW stock and only download free VST effects if there is something the stock plugins can't offer.

@CedricMialaret 5 лет назад

TLDR: Don't drink beer.

@ARandomMinecraftVillager 3 года назад

Ok, you are right, but here's my counterargument Me no have extra 500 dollars to spend on music that's gonna be in my project folders for all eternity

@live-the-truth 5 лет назад

Just a quick note: soundfonts aren't synthesized. That doesn't mean that they don't usually sound bad: they do typically. But to the best of my knowledge they are sampled. VST is a replacement format for SF2 etc. The differences you're hearing are all in the quality of the recordings (player skill, recording hardware quality, number of velocity layers and round robins recorded), the the ability of the programmer (who designed the package, compensating for the oddities of making recorded strings sound natural), and the limitations of the format (Kontakt via VST or SF2). I would hazard to say that if a large company decided to use SF2 to sample a professional library (as some have done) it would sound quite good, although not as good as Kontact because of the programming limitations of SF2. Sonatina was a university project I believe.

@willia_music 5 лет назад

this

@fuglbird Год назад

Sonatina was made 10 years ago and you can hear that. I use the Sonatine because Spitfire BBC Orchestra has no choir and I also use the flutes. When using free libraries we need to be more flexible. I'm using a few classical compositions to evaluate the instruments from different plugins - sound and range.

@NathanEllery 9 месяцев назад

"VST is a replacement format for SF2" Mixing your metaphors. SF2 is a sound font, a format to hold sound and some formatting to be triggered by a midi instruction/device. VST "is an audio plug-in software interface that integrates software synthesizers and effects units into digital audio workstations." A VST might have no sound fonts at all, using a synthesis engine to create sound. Some VST's might use a sound library of samples to build sound and it might use any format it chooses, one being Sound Fonts.

@freddyspaghetti1055 5 лет назад

I personally use versillian chamber orchestra 2, (the free sfz version) and with velocity, key-switches and timing taken into account, i'd say it could be one of the most realistic sounding orchestras out there, with everything from organ, glockenspiel and nearly every drum and percussion instrument you'd find in an orchestra. So not the most epic sounding, but the most realistic.

@robotcoffin 5 лет назад

I bought the paid version of that library and it was also easily worth it. I still find useful nuggets in there on certain projects I generally couldn't find anywhere else.

@petertremblay3725 4 года назад

Convolution reverb is the key to make them sound like pro!

@da5idnz 4 года назад

I know there are all these freebies going around, but I just can't afford Kontakt to run them in....

@cg19 3 года назад

@@da5idnz there's a free version of kontakt called kontakt player but it wont work if the library doesn't support it.

@DarkVayu 5 лет назад

Pretty simple for me: if you want to be a professional music composer, invest. If you are doing things for fun, or for learning purposes, well, sonatina it's a good option.

@MichaelJohnMUSlC 3 года назад

You're comparing apples to oranges. Here's the thing, while the expensive libraries sound great, they still don't sound like a real orchestra to me. Go listen to the Orchestre National du Capitole de Toulouse. Libraries don't even come close. I've been listening to real orchestras for decades. I prefer the sound of Edirol for it's unique qualities- just don't use it to score a movie theme. Or for intricate orchestra compositions. Use Edirol for it's unique quality in music that doesn't demand a 'real' orchestra musician. In other words for a synthetic quality that's meant to be synthetic, not realistic. Then, nothing beats Edirol. For example the vibrato flute in Edirol is very musical. But not as realistic as in an expensive library. So comparing Edirol to an expensive library is apples to oranges. IMO

@elephantforceofficialmusic8914 5 лет назад

I understand the comparison. I've felt that the free ones are good for theory and those songs that need to sound synthetic. But if you really want realistic sounds save up and invest.

@infinitesauce8206 5 лет назад

Yes, but I believe companies like Spitfire have good free options too (LABS) with more expensive ones, aswell (Kepler Orchestra). Not all free samples sound bad, for example most of the LABS collection is sampled from an actual orchestra.

@Erudotic 3 года назад

NO! It is NOT a real brass section. A REAL brass section is a bunch of people playing the parts directed by a conductor. Or the composer for that matter.

@Stormgnome 5 лет назад

Just so you know, Sonatina isn't synthesized, it is all based on recordings. Not as many nor as good quality recordings(samples) as modern paid libraries but recordings none the less. I think Edirol is also sample based at least some of the instruments, again very old and very few samples. The rest is fair advice.

@leonwillett4645 5 лет назад

correct: the point is "use good samples" not "use samples that were expensive". The advice here could lead someone to ignore a great sound just because it was free, or use an expensive (but bad) library without additional thought. And there are many expensive but bad libraries :) (and there are some magnificent free sounds out there too!)

@artetconscience 5 лет назад

Sonatina seems to be a little outdated now. Aside from the freebies you mentioned (unfortunately they all require a full version of Kontakt except for the labs ones) there are better free alternatives to Sonatina, such as VSCO2 (CE) and Virtual Playing Orchestra which are much more complete in terms of possibilities (keyswitches, articulations, dynamics for VPO, etc.). Indeed they can't compete with the sound of premium studio recorded libraries like Metropolis Ark or Albion but I think they may be enough for specific use of instruments (eg if you have a generalist but limited library) or for sketching.

@JockJaimeRadfordBromley 5 лет назад

Your beers are really expensive. I'm so sorry

@maruko8324 4 года назад

@Fresh Burrito 10 dollars for a beer?

@brunocosta6849 3 года назад

For real dude! Here in Portugal, the standard price for a beer is 1 euro, 1,2 dolars. And don't get me started on the beer quality

@CERTI0151 3 года назад

@@maruko8324 He mentions how you can save money for your expansions and said if you don’t have 10 beers you already save $60... That’s some expensive beer. I buy a pack of 12 for £10 😂

@grandhustle8711 5 лет назад

I‘m a Hip-Hop beat maker but still found this tutorial very useful. The knowledge you drop is very valuable no matter what type of music the viewer creates. Great video.

@deadalonethe1 5 лет назад

Dude, this is the first video of yours I've seen, and you are really inspiring. Keep it up!

@giftheck 4 года назад

The only reason I've used Edirol is for very specific sounds (for instance, certain percussion - or if I want the oboe from Nathan McCree's original Tomb Raiders) but I much prefer using the instruments I've got though the ComposerCloud subscription. I've even played around with other packages in the past. I know some of the stuff I've written certainly would not have sounded great or even come around if I had been using Edirol to make music. Edirol has its place, but I agree that it definitely shouldn't be used as a crutch.

@lovejustifiesexistence 3 года назад

is it just me or did we not listen to the edirol version?? why would this video be called why to not use edirol when you don't even let us have a listen and instead focus on some other plugin, rather it be called why to not use sonatina. like i said, i am not sure cause i skipped through most of the video just to see if you would play it, maybe you did, but i didn't notice it, i was just curious about that one, not all free ones are the same, and some may have pluses and cons like all paid stuff too. i also played around with more professional ones which often just sound synthetic and crap too, and you can of course combine. but edirol is free, while other plugins don't cost 500 euros combined but even one plugin may cost 500 euros and you end with some synthetic sounding crap anyway. your arrangement sounds great but did you not use a gazillion plugins? was that really only 500 dollars? then i guess you found some cheap ones that are actually good. my experience is that most plugins are super expensive and marketed as being the best thing since sliced bread but then end up sounding like poop anyway. definitely try a plugin first if that is possible instead of being lured into these marketing schemes of sound libraries pretending to sound great, but that don't, and all the knobs just basically do the same, you fiddle around with the volume and velocity and still need to master/eq everything. if you are a professional and you have thousands of euros to spend, sure, but if it is a hobby, why not try to make the best of what costs less? if you are make a great arrangement someone else will master it for you professionally. isn't that what most "DIY" music artists do? Though, of course it's better if you can do that all yourself and have loads of money to spend from the work you are able to market and sell. That is ideal, but not everyone is so privileged.

@funnyfromadam 5 лет назад

So for good music you need the best gear? What a nonsense!

@andreasgajewski 5 лет назад

you don´t need the BEST gear but you need good gear for good music if you want to make production/trailer/etc. music. sure, if you´re a top notch composer everyone will hear that, although you used cheap/free libraries. but at the same time everyone will say it sounds fake/wrong/not realistic enough. It´s just not possible to pull of the same quality regarding the overall sound.

@captainvoluntaryistthestat3207 5 лет назад

yes

@apenastorugo 2 года назад

High quality fee orchestras on the market: - Palette Primary Colors by Red Room Audio. (requires full version of kontakt) -The Free Orchestra by ProjectSAM (works with Kontakt Player) -BBC Discover Orchestra by Spitfire Audio (they have an own host) - X3M Taikos by Strezov Sampling (requires kontakt full version) - The Big Bang Orchestra by Vienna Symphonic Library (they have an own host, but you will need to download ilok to use as an e-licenser that is free btw). - Labs by Spitfire Audio (isn't an orchestra, but have nice samples to use when creating a score/soundtrack).

@garyharney3764 4 года назад

Tough love that may have just persuaded me to go ahead and use my savings. Your channel is awesome man.

@SilloniusAeldarian 5 лет назад

I recently using Sonatina, because im still learning orchestration, mixing and music theory. But i'll bought quality sample library someday

@LogansDarling 5 лет назад

This comment really bothers me for some reason.

@LogansDarling 5 лет назад

@Soul Muzic Productions No, I think it's the fact that it got 26 likes.

@ClicStudio 5 лет назад

Sillonius Aeldarian Same

@RickyC0626 5 лет назад

Not a lot of us have spare cash lying around, so the free libraries will make do for the time being.

@lordspongebobofhousesquare1616 5 лет назад

free libraries are fine if you're just learning

@LittleRichard1988 Год назад

I think many people in the comments misunderstand this video, it's not really aimed at hobbyists or keen amateurs but it is aimed at anybody who is serious about composing music commercially and in many fields they expect music to sound as realistic as possible otherwise it will be rejected. But if your creating music just to share it on RU-vid and your in the hobbyist/amateur camp then there is no "right or wrong" answer on what you should use, there are many different people on RU-vid who like different kinds of music. Also as this video was made 4 years ago things have changed since and you can now get half decent libraries for free like Spitfire Labs and BBCSO Discover.

@shadept 4 года назад

err yeah like i have 300$ for a fucking VST loader. our country wage is under 300$ what do you expect? get a job?? i wish i was 18 so i could go for one. what? jobs under 18 exist? i dont have a debit card or paypal. theres such a big fuckin paywall to make good music that doesnt sound like shit its incredible. im using LMMS and soundfonts, it still sounds decent even with some stuff being broken. hah, i love living in ukraine. this is a hobby for me that i do for fun, not for money, not for a job. i plan to be an environmental and concept artist.

@Midaspl 4 года назад

The problem with freebies like in 4:00 is that it still requires kotakt (full version) for like $300+... At that point you can get almost full one, good library that runs on kontakt player.

@da5idnz 4 года назад

Yep, you could get BBCSO Core on sale for that price.

@wintermoonomen 10 месяцев назад

When your poor your poor and use what you can get your hands on. From there as someone else stayed in another comment you are challenged to create with what you have and its limitations. I have been fortunate to try some really expensive libraries that my peers have. Some sound fantastic, others I was disappointed in. It all depends on the vision you here within your mind and how you are able to create it.

@arthurlee91 5 лет назад

I think that there are definitely some bad VST's out there, but I have to admit that Ediro and Sonataina, while not professional, can stand on their own. Especiallyfor being free lol.

@NewNoise1 3 года назад

You think the ladies at the club care about the plugins you use? No. They will dance to anything. Thats all girls do is sing and dance to everything.

@Eric-dd8bk 2 года назад

Well, Sonatina is one of the worst sounding orchestral VSTs. I'd recommend Project Sam, and the vertual playing orchestra for the SForzando player for free orchestral vst that sound pretty good.

@TelPhi_ Год назад

Edirol Orchestral isn't free and was never free It's just discontinued, so the only way to obtain it is by pirating it It was released in 2004 just so you know, so that explains many of its shortcomings

@countedcrowzero 4 года назад

lol this dude spends six dollars on a beer. maybe try out some free library beers bro!

@MichaelKeeter 4 года назад

I'm broke and don't even drink beer. lol The sound is amazing in the non free one, but sometimes people just can't afford anything extra at all. Don't discourage people from using what they can until they can afford better.

@AlexMoukala 4 года назад

You (and many others) seem to have missed the part in this video where I recommend free software that is almost as good as the paid ones.

@Ilicet 3 года назад

It's really about finding the good free stuff, I think between Labs and Project Sam you can get most of what you need for free. And Spitfire has what I think sound really good for 29 bucks (Spitfire Originals)

@YouKnowIAmSomeonesAlt Год назад

shut up I want pvz instruments

@joestevensus 5 лет назад

The libraries and software you list aren't 500 bucks, try thousands, I own them too or the equivalents, and you are using free libraries that are decades out of date to make your point. Sonatina does key switch, play with the octaves below where the audio notes end, usually starting with a C and you will find the keyswitches quickly. VSCO shows you the key switches and was made a couple years ago from samples from the commercial release. Both have round robins for the shorts. There are some great free pianos like Piano in 162 and others. Again you are using ancient freebies to compare. Great you are a pro composer who wants to sell people private lessons and you can afford thousands of dollars worth of stuff, 10s of millions of instruments have been given away to people who can't afford anything so they can make music too without paying you or me. I sincerely hope that every single person who downloads Sonatina / VSCO 2 Community gets to be a pro like you and can afford the stuff you and I make music on. But we all need to start somewhere and based on the responses I've seen and the download numbers thousands upon thousands of people are learning to make music because my friends and I gave them a way and I see no reason to apologize for making that possible.

@AlexMoukala 5 лет назад

Check 👏🏾 the 👏🏾video 👏🏾description 👏🏾 Or maybe watch the whole video before commenting.

@joestevensus 5 лет назад

@@AlexMoukala I watched the whole thing. Sonatina has keyswitches. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tJ-iB8nCZkk.html. The Sketching Chamber Orchestra for Kontakt using VSCO 2 samples has modwheel patches, legato patches using WIPS, full section patches, arps and more.

@moxxiefan2.055 Год назад

I'm planning on using one paid orchestral vst plugin. Along with a bunch of other free vsts, With two DAW's in hand. Nucleus Lite Edition BBC Symphony Orchestra Discover The Free Orchestra The Free Orchestra 2 Komplete Start Surge XT BitFlip Vinyl Guitar 2 Shreddage 3 Stratius Shreddage 3 Precision MT Power DrumKit 2 MFreeFXBundle Mixcraft 10.5 Pro Studio Cubase 13 Elements

@WilliamMorrisMusic 5 лет назад

For those starting out I think the full version of kontakt has to be a good option. You get a decent orchestral library and lots of other instruments but also the full version will allow you to use lots of the free and paid libraries available.

@Aaron-uf8lv 3 года назад

there are free orchestral libraries that are recordings of real instruments though (check out spitfire BBCSO discover)

@graysonsolis 3 года назад

Edirol is amazing if you play around with it, honestly

@gregoriysharapov1936 3 года назад

Heh, didn't think of seeing you here!

@jakedaniel3763 3 года назад

True. EQ work , compression, panning, etc. can bring out a pretty organic sound.

@Mr.MusicalSharma 6 месяцев назад

Okay... I am going to sound DUMB here but I really need to ask this.... How everyone on RU-vid is clicking on the playlist in FL while keeping their plugin window open?!!!.... I SERIOUSLY NEED HELP WITH THIS ONE!

@eopelementaryorganicphatas2360 2 года назад

You see, the composers and producers from japan basically are using the cheapest sounds and creates the best tracks, from 1980s until now. Can you imagine the Capcom is still using Sound Canvas? I say it's never a harm to get your hands dirty, tweak some knobs, and try to make best tracks out of so called cheap sounds.

@mikeluna2026 2 года назад

Umm, if you just care about practicing composition or orchestration (not Midi Orchestration), and don't mind spending a tiny little, then I just prefer using NotePerformer 3 + good mixing and extra reverb. It's way cheaper than samples ($125 or so) and can sound amazing out of the box in Finale/Sibelius/Dorico. Though, the quality of the composition is a big factor. Large Ensembles/orchestras tend to sound the best and busy/fortissimo sections sound superb (I tried it with Flight to Neverland in Finale and it blew me away, haha...).

@NewNoise1 3 года назад

I use all plugins. Stock, free and omnisphere. It all sounds fire.

@SMCwasTaken 28 дней назад

Edirol Orchestra is great if you want to make your music to sound like the original PS2 Kingdom Hearts 😂😂😂

@camelCased Год назад

Actually, Sonatina also is based on samples. Just short and not high quality. For a good quality free orchestras, you can try Spitfire Discover and ProjectSAM - so much better than the old Sonatina and Edirol.

@timeless9517 Год назад

Im a Teenager and i have fun to write (not good) Music. But i obviously don´t have that much money, thats why free libarys are so nice and when you are confronted with those professional libarys, your motivation is not very high. Also the BBC Discover sounds very cold to me that´s why i don´t often use the libary. Btw Kontakt is very expansive too

@mponce1849 10 месяцев назад

I think the differences is on what you intend to do and how much resources and skill you have. Like everything. You can have the money to purchase the best quality orchestras libraries and yet not posses the skill or the knowledge on how to use it therefore it will be pointless. like having a Bentley to go to the local market that is less than 3 miles from your home... What that tell me is that you just expending on luxuries that you will don't need or use appropriately. It is like buying a $5,000 keyboard and using 3 sounds that are piano, pad and an organ. You are using .1 percent of your keyboard plain and simple. With that in mind a it is important specially with orchestra to spend in knowing how an instrument sound and what an instrument can or should do and what it doesn't. Then how easy is to produce that sound in the library you want because if is not easy then you will spend tons of time trying to do the sound more than producing something. Finally get familiar with the sound of the library since it can be recorded professionally but sound vary and that is good depending on what type of music you want to produce. Each library have different sound and they can be a good tool if that is what you do for life, however, like I said a good library would never substitute the skills and knowledge of how an orchestra should sound.

@MaxUgly 4 года назад

But when you drink ten beers you can't hear the difference! This is an awesome demonstration man!

@markpaterson2053 3 года назад

you're simply using bad free libraries. I've heard WAAAY better stuff on Orchestral Tools Layers, which has no cheap sounds whatsoever, and it's totally free. Plus it's made using a real orchestra

@falco7626 3 года назад

Alex: Creates the best, most complex music I've ever heard in my life, something that I can only dream of even getting close to- Alex: Now that's not really a good compisition, even a bad one maybe.

@geompon6505 3 года назад

Man stop being a s@ck @ss, this is a melody from Lord of the Rings OST, not even his own (he does make great music though)

@falco7626 3 года назад

youre mom gay

@SMCwasTaken 6 месяцев назад

Let artists criticise their own music

@pw6002 5 лет назад

So.True. And I can only agree with the « freebies » tip. Performance Samples & Spitfire Labs are great choices (don’t know the others, will try them!), as well as the ComposerCloud.

@srt5490 Год назад

Any free or paid sounds library/ vst are ok to use. It all depends on what is your aim or the purpose. Saying that this or that is no good is very wrong. In fact, some people prefer using lower-quality sounds for the mockup. On the other hand, some people are more inspired or driven by less. Less is more.

@WhitesandComposer 5 лет назад

wow, really well done on the Shore Mockup, sounds very great and big! I'm a huge LOTR fan myself!

@AlexMoukala 5 лет назад

Cheers! I think I'll do a full one someday. Got a bit of a weird idea already

@sotosonic413 5 лет назад

@@AlexMoukala Yes please!

@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u 8 месяцев назад

Edirol has not been the industry standard for a long long time, but there have been plenty of soundtracks that used it well and are still quite cherished. Reject the modernity, fake sounding instruments are not terrible just because they sound fake

@MadjidLaloui-el5gt 4 года назад

respect poor composers who can't buy all libraries =D so edirol is not bad after all

@Likwidl 4 года назад

I totally agree with your points but everyone has to start somewhere so probably the free stuff are good for starters.

@blasttrash Год назад

do most musicians have the ability to figure out if I used free vs premium instruments? Like if I gave a random youtube song for example. I am guessing no.

@mowburnt 4 года назад

Yup. Cheap samples suck but they let you get involved and practise and build skills before major investment when it 100percent makes sense

@LegionIvory 5 лет назад

I tend to use two separate softwares for the sound I want. I use Finale for my original orchestral pieces, and FL Studio for my remixes and original gaming music. For FL Studio, I prefer more synthetic sounds, because it matches the atmosphere of gaming. However, you are absolutely correct. We *do* need legit libraries if we want high quality orchestral pieces.

@CoolDudeClem 4 года назад

The Sonitina sounded pretty decent to me. But then I'm not a professional composer, I'm more into rock, funk, blues, jazz, disco, soul and retro 80's electronic music.

@ErickMcNerney 3 года назад

I still can't find a string sound quite as buttery smooth as the Edirol strings. I think with certain things, you cannot use free ones, but sometimes they get the job done, and in other cases (like in Edirol's case), it's something completely different. As far as I understand, it's not a real orchestra, but is a combination of synthesis and real instruments? So I personally wouldn't really lump Edirol in with the rest of the free Romplers (based on RF samples). But for sure, get the free versions of the high end libraries.

@tvncgn 2 года назад

I bought Edirol about 15 years ago I think and I still use it from time to time. Sometimes a lightweight out-of-the-box tool like this fits perfectly (especially if you need your computer's ressources for something else at the same time).

@NewNoise1 3 года назад

It all sounds the same. I can use fl keys, keyscape or a kontakt piano or analog lab piano; but no one will be able to differentiate the pianos. Only us producers get obsessed about plugins and its a toxic behavioral pattern. Its about making good music. Thats all the people care about. No one will be at the club trying to figure out what plugin you used on your beat to determine weather they like the song or not.

@eopelementaryorganicphatas2360 2 года назад

I will pin this up my wall

@mowburnt 4 года назад

I m 42. Ive always wanted to compose scores. I am learning piano and have really good hearing for pitches etc and spent A LOT of my 20s playing with sonic foundary Acid - loved that. From your experience what subjects and software do you recommend buying and learning and in which order? Very excited!

@KaugestadOlsen 2 года назад

I’ve tried making some orchestral tracks over the years just for fun, and only ever used the Logic Pro stock plugins. It took hours upon hours to make it sound even close to decent, but I learned a lot about how to get closer to the sound I wanted by utilizing what I had available to it’s fullest potential (relative to the degree of skill I had), and it forced me to pay very close attention to how I arranged my tracks. After coming across your videos recently, I pulled the trigger on Metropolis Ark 1-4 on a massive sale, and after a few hours of learning how to use it, it really feels like pay to win. But I also feel like what I learned from using free libraries for so long plays a big part in how easily I can use the instruments and articulations to get the sound I want, and identify the problem when something sounds off. To get to the point, those “hours you’re giving away for free” are hours well spent if you use them wisely, because you’ll learn a lot of valuable lessons. And when you finally move over to more professional libraries, it will give your music (and motivation) new life.

@eaccentaigu 2 года назад

Great insight

@emanuel_soundtrack 2 года назад

totally agree. I scored my first film using only logic pro and ozone imager! This means i get hired based on this as well

@earthlightsmusic2743 3 года назад

Looks like your point concerns what is software enough for Professional work. Not being Megan Randa Composer For Media, I'm not ready for an investment in EW libraries, just dabbling with Spitfire BBCSO Discover. But I know there'll come a day when I'll want Spitfire's serious libraries, so your point is well taken. I'm just taking my old stuff and advancing it past the Roland MT-32 synth box that was so state of the art back in the 1990s, for now. Gotta start somehow.

@yuxanne. Год назад

well, as someone not working on movies, i think its pretty simple to at least eq edirol sounds to be pretty good ngl, plus, huge multisampled vst are annoying, like wtf, 100 gb ??? got damn smh

@TakeHit0 Год назад

Get a 4 tb ssd

@rayaneferouni8658 2 года назад

Maybe but, i'm broke, so i'll use the free ones

@tbenoit1540 3 года назад

I actually preferred the way Track 2 sounded.

@Manas-co8wl 5 лет назад

Edirol is fine to sketch with but... it's not good for end products On the other hand, if you're making a game track that fits the environment, then it's not bad at all

@olivierlids5910 3 года назад

Right on!

@flowapot 5 лет назад

I use sonivox orchestral and it's the best u can afford when u r broke af (sometimes you can buy it for 1 beer on pluginboutique)

@VivekTheMesmerizer 5 лет назад

Alex u r the best man and I don't want any other tutor. U r at the top man, keep teaching us. Thanks for your services Sir!! ❤️😊👌🙏

@boriswilsoncreations 3 года назад

Why you should use: because you have no money :]

@IgorNevzgliad Год назад

As for me I think that Edirol sounds much better than Sonatina Orchestra.

@LittleRichard1988 Год назад

Edoril Orchestral is actually based on samples from the SRJV8002 Orchestral expansion board and a few SC-88 samples which is why it sounds really good. Sonatina is OK.

@BluemountScore 5 лет назад

But Alex, didn't you know the entire Game of Thrones soundtrack was produced with Edirol Orchestra?%?!?!)§/§?!

@giulioboobzilla 5 лет назад

4 real

@BigPES0 5 лет назад

Why U Cappin

@petergedd9330 2 года назад

Why you shouldnt take notice of anyone telling you why you shouldnt

@Gilannun12 5 лет назад

1. What do you think about SOVINOX instruments? 2. I've used Virtual Playing Orchestra. It's a free sound library that can be played with Plogue's Sforzando. It can be a good (free) start for music composition. But it has it's problems.

@ThomC 5 лет назад

For what it's worth, I really like Sonivox. There are some great staccatos, the string sustains can be very nice combined with other libraries, I like the flutes and some of the other winds. The brass staccatos are great, the room in which the instruments were recorded sounds great. Though there is no proper modwheel dynamics on the instruments which is a pity. But I personally like them :)

@chrisdaviesguitar 4 года назад

That's easy say when you're made of money. To pay that much for a plug in, is more than some people earn in a month.

@kloa4219 4 года назад

Everything is free when you look hard enough, though I wouldn't recommend using it commercially and attaching your personal name to it.

@jslaughter95 4 года назад

tbh i feel like the better title would have been "Why you shouldn't use *this* Free Orchestral Library" There are plenty of free ones out there that really aren't all that bad, Spitfire Audio LABS are pretty decent, and have their own Mod wheel settings for reverb, attack, release etc, and i've been seeing a lot of talk about a free library that Project Sam has (though you *do* still need the full version of Kontakt in order to use that one, but as gh jkl said, there are free library's out there that can do what you need them to do

@MaxUgly 4 года назад

Also, I would say that while still learning, during all this patching and manual stuff is going to improve your technical skills and understanding of sound. You probably aren't making anything that great yet anyway. I would say a few months of the harder way is worth the learning experience.

@GoOKuSj33 4 года назад

BBC Discover is here to prove you wrong.

@MoeMentumBeats 4 года назад

While that vst is beautiful, you’re still extremely limited. It’s great for getting started though.

@GoOKuSj33 Месяц назад

Some years later: The Orchestra Elements, The Free Orchestra, Blueprint and so many more are here to again prove him wrong, free stuff is good for companies because they sell products, and as libraries develop, he'll always be wrong 😂

@infinitesauce8206 5 лет назад

I was about to get really triggered because of the title until I realized you linked LABS in the description. To be honest, it's the absolute best free orchestral pack. Lots of instruments, they sound incredible, and if you're ready to move to something better they have literal *tons* of other instruments such as Kepler Orchestra, a 300$ pack that they advertise *on* the LABS website. They'll even deliver a hard-drive to you if you want!

@jeremiahlyleseditor437 4 года назад

This video sort of contradicts your newer video about Layers and the Spitfire piano. Did you know that the BBC orchestra released a FREE library comparable to Layers called Discover? You might think of doing a video on that in the distant future or comparing the two libraries Layers and Discover side by side.

@majid__jafari 5 лет назад

Hey Alex, it was a few months ago when i subscribed to your chanel and back then you had 20k subscribers. I just noticed you've grown up to 38k and i just wanted to share my happiness for you with you. Keep going man. You're gonna reach 1 million in a blink of an eye... Good luck man ;)

@TRL2303 Год назад

Actually none of the Performance Samples libraries are really free to use. They do not work with Kontakt Player (free), they only work with Kontakt full retail version, which is not free.

@TakeHit0 Год назад

Just torrent everything lmao

@MS-xk1ne 4 года назад

Please review Layers by Orchestral Tools. It's free and recorded using irl instuments. Just discovered and started using but idk what I'm doing wrong. If I use it as an instrument in a DAW, it just clashes with everything and sounds out of tune and idk how or why cos alone it sounds amazing.

@templemu 5 лет назад

Point taken about EQ subscription; thatwould seem the best solution, becaue cheap libraries mount up in spending if you get a lot of them. but you are being librarist ?lol; for copyright reasons, you could not play the original soundtrack, but I think it sounds way better than the expensive library, of course. Still, to hire a real orchestra is 100k USD a day, East European orchestras charge around 40k a day, I gather. I actually liked the Sonatina version; on its own merits, it sounded interesting, and might be more so, with a different arrangement. Maybe it is possible to compose FOR the particular library. You concentrate on a library's strengths and only compose to them. Like you might compose for a school orchestra, rather than a professional one. I could get to like Sonatina's strings, in the same way I got to like the strings patches from my old Korg analogue string machine, 1975 Finally, I heard Elgar's Nimrod played on sonatina, it still sounded brilliant, because it is Elgar we are listening to, right?

@AlexMoukala 5 лет назад

Good luck composing string parts which are highly dynamic and include Clusters, crescendos, flautandos etc. with Sonatina. The points I make in this video don't only have to do with sound, but also with how limited your freedom as a composer is due to the lack of many articulations and programming that not only enhance realism, but also make it possible for you to emulate all the ways in which you could compose for a real orchestra. It is indeed like having a school orchestra vs professional one, and you understand, using one or the other will limit the range of musical possibilities you can have in your orchestrations. Kinda like a sword with a blade that only cuts through paper and grass. That is definitely not a good prospect for someone who wants to become a knight. But it might be for someone who just wants a toy to play with, or a theatre actor who's impersonating a Knight but who clearly isn't aiming at fighting with that sword for real.

@templemu 5 лет назад

@@AlexMoukala I do see what you mean. Perhas the only way to truly work with a realistic orchestra, as such, is to work with Sonokinetics engine/sample phrase libraries. I mean if you literally purchased the entire orchestral series from sonokinetics, but that is around 1500 Euros, for it all to be put on an SSD hard drive. Maybe you could do a tutorial on working with samples, midi construction kits?

@AlexMoukala 5 лет назад

@@templemu Phrase libraries can take productions to a different level. Personally I haven't used those yet ever. However you can also do all that with many librareis, the cheapest being EastWest Hollywood Orchestra for $30 per month.

@jonathan130 2 года назад

but i dont have 20000$

@JohnPaluska 3 года назад

I can tell from the three different tracks you used that you had completely different arrangements for all of them. You also added reverb, EQ'ed and used multiple different libraries compared to Sonatina, which you did almost nothing with. It also isn't fair to use multiple libraries vs. a single library, no matter the library you use. Even East West Quantum Leap would sound like crap compared to using 3 or 4 libraries together.

@thecoderofyoutube 3 года назад

Spitfire Audio: Hold my beer.

@AndyChamberlainMusic 5 лет назад

the harsh truth with the harsh lighting lol thanks for the side-by-side though, thats a WORLD of difference.

@SSQMinky 5 лет назад

I’m sorry, but I’m still going to use Edirol Orchestra. Only if I’m recreating Agust D by Agust D. 😁

@infinitesauce8206 5 лет назад

To be honest, you should use LABS as an alternative. It's free and sounds incredible.

@SSQMinky 5 лет назад

InfiniteSauce I meant to say that’s the exact same plugin they used. So did Plants vs Zombies. But thanks for the suggestion, though. ;) I’ll try out LABS.

@Chonasmusic 5 лет назад

This is super interesting even though I am not even producing orchestral music 👍🏽 I really enjoy seeing how people make their music and I always try to take notes for myself 👀

@c14n_ 5 лет назад

Dropped my free library for Jaeger just now. While I am unable to get anywhere close to its full utility as compared to you, a beginner like myself will eventually have to make the switch some day. It's not going to be cheaper on "some day" so I might as well get it now and in the meanwhile face marginally less amounts of frustration while learning.