WHY YOUR ECHOES SUCK! (and how to fix them) - Best Echo Leveling Tips for Wuthering Waves End Game 

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Glacio damge of Havoc set and Havoc damge on Glacio set, we all felt that

How dare you, my Rover is fine with his 5% CR and 192% CD.

I'm on day 6 of still trying to find the Healing Bonus main stat from that damn Tortoise 💀 Edit #1: Day 18, I've finally found 1x Healing Bonus on Rejuvenation Set, alongside 2x Healing bonus on Moonlit Set. The tunings are trashy, but I'll take it anyway

Sounds good, to those who have plenty of extra time farm limitless

I FEEL LIKE THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING BUT BECAUSE I DIDNT SAY IT IN THE VIDEO: GET YOURSELF A FULL SET OF THE RIGHT MAINSTATS FIRST THIS VIDEO IS TARGETTING END GAME AFTER YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN EVERYONE THE RIGHT MAIN STATS AND NEED TO MINMAX/UPGRADE

First of all, how dare you call me out with that title like that, second of all, thank you I needed this guide, my DPS is so low 😂😂😂

cost 3 are the hardest, you have to have the right element dmg bonus on the right set and the right substats. There's no offset, so if you get fusion dmg bonus on a havoc set then it's completely useless

This good tip on tuning echo cause I’ve been just been fully tuning them without thinking at all

So the main issue is to have infinite free time to actually keep grinding. But you may as well burn out in the process

Another tip: if all you're doing for the day is farm echoes, you can lower your world level and go around 1-2 shotting everything. It can be changed every 12 hours; and you do it by going to the pause menu, next to your union level display (under avatar), find an exclamation mark and tap it.

This actually really help, thanks brax ♥️

This is kinda the best way to get so sick of the game you uninstall it after 1 week lol Same thing I said for people clearing the whole map on HSR, just don't eventually things will sort themselves out anyway and you won't hate the game.

Thank you for all this knowledge after i already spent all my echo exp

I don't think i have the leverage to scrap a 3 cost echo that has elemental damage with only a single crit substat, shit is just way too rare

this is only applicable only to 4 cost echoes since you can farm them infinitely, for cost 3 echoes, you really cant throw away your elemental 3 cost just because the 1st roll is trash lmao

Actually, thank you. Seriously. Thank you. I looked at many videos and this one was the only one that helped me the most. thanks again

Thanks Brax!

This video just saved my account dude thank you

thank you so much . I hope your tips will help me a lot in the future

now there are 2 Things i want to point out before people start to min max their sets: 1. You still should have atleast some sort of set Equiped even if it has bad stats, those stats can still be an improvement over no Stats since i see a lot of people just leveling their echoes to 5 and then trash them just to waste the very limited early resources and not using some of those, what i did was with the few first 5* Echoes i had, that i leveled them to like 15 and just tuned them to get some stats out of my character and did that with most DPS for my 2 Teams and then started minmaxing to get better echoes since even the bad ones can boost your strenght in the tower and other content so dont just trash the echo, use them if they can give you some sort of value 2. DO NOT level up past 20 in the beginning, something that people dont seem to know but the amount of EXP you need to go from 20 - 25 is almost the same as when you level from 0-20 so its not worth in the beginning to level your echoes to 25, if you have good rolls, stop at 20 for now until you have all the echos ready and just then start leveling to 25 because you dont want to waste that much exp for 1 Substat if you could get 4 with the same amount of resources 3. you can be very Picky with 1 Cost Echoes, since the Mainstats are extremly limited with them, trying to max them out first is probably your best decission, so i would recommend for your Pickyness 1 Cost > 4 Cost > 3 Cost, its gonna be a while till you get the perfect 3 Cost unit but for 1 and 4 Cost that might be easier to achieve and since Substats are Equal( as in the range and chances are the same no matter the cost) its worth going for the 1 cost and 4 cost and just take the 3 cost as they are, the DMG bonus from the Main Stats is important as well and you dont need to get the Perfect set right from the start so its worth taking a "bad" echo that just has slightly good stats over no Stats

i love the mech abomination not as an echo but as a boss, its so ominous and it never disappoint

Nah just focus on main stats and don't burn yourself with how the rng drops on main stats are dog water. Also we don't even have that much exp mats cause they're dog sht of a drop soo spreading exp ain't a good thing to tip. We're still in the early game so just focus on getting the right stats on 433 then you're good.

honestly farming for more than a few echoes with correct mainstat sounds soul crushing

I was very confused on how I should be farming echoes, but now I have a plan on what to do, thank you o.0

I never thought of doing this, I've always had good luck with stats but sometimes I just don't get what I want and this looks like a very good way to secure it. Thank you

Been farming mephis for my calcharo, 10 in a row are purple drops so i gave up... Still using my crit rate purple mephis up to this day (it has heavy attack, er, cd, attack%)

Very nice and good tips 👍🔥

i wish they can add a feature in the future that lets you change a specific sub roll from an echo... i feel it's gonna come, hopefully 🤞🏼

Wow another way to minmax scarce resources. This is actually informative and in regards to echo farming and tuning. I guess i have to farm havoc bonus for Havoc MC and to build Yinlin's echoes but im using this method. So I hope I get lucky in tuning.

I think it will be good tip to people who just start farming orange echoes, to just find ones with right mainstat for your main damage dealer and upgrade them to max, you will probably have some luck in substats and it will good starting point before maxing everything.

Ty for the vid!

Something that could be nice to know is that the Elite Echo Selectors we get from events are guaranteed to be the element set and main stat. Hoochief gives Aero DMG Bonus on Stirring Gales set, the purple heron gives Electro DMG on Void Thunder set and so on. So can use those to get one of your Elites if you need to.

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Thank you. Now i understand what i want and what i need. 👍

I've just been getting into Hologram and holy this is super helpful

at UL 40 you get 15 gold tuners and about 20k exp from tacet fields. a +5 echo requires 10 gold tuners and about 4k exp. after about 12 +5 echoes, you'll have enough exp stockpiled to fully level the echo once you get the stats you want. once you've stockpiled that much, you might as well start going to +15, which requires 30 gold tuners and about 40k exp, otherwise you'll have excess exp. you have a higher chance of getting the substat if you already got one you don't want because substats can't be duplicated

you could add what to do with a upgraded bad echo. You get the exp spend on them, but how much exp is lost by melting it. You loose the tuning resource but you gain majority of the exp spend.

Thankfully this should up on my feed when I’m still early game, I’m farming for geshu Lin.. if he ever comes out lol

Tip : Use the data bank merge system. You can get some good 3 cost and 1 cost gold echos.

Echo exp will be more available the higher your Ascension level is. Lvl 39 below is letting you force to use Purple echoes, there's a different material to use to Tune echoes for each blue, purple and gold echoes

seriously needed this guide. thank you @braxophone!

Is lingering tunes good echo set on Lingyang? I know the ice set is good but the recommended echo for it sucks to use against fast bosses so the Mecha is kinda better in terms of use

When you say "get rid of this" after getting a bad roll on a +5 or something, what exactly do you mean? What's the best way to recycle an echo?

Honestly the best tip is to not sweat it out. Especially before UL40. And it's not even about an "MMO grindset", you're just gated by the resources the game gives you and the mobs that spawn even if you pity exploit them. If you don't want to farm that much then just get the right main start and get a +25 on all of them. Maybe only try to swap an echo if it has more than 2 bad stats. Min-maxing like this is hilarious on a game with not that challenging content honestly. (Or, challenge comes from you knowing the boss mechanics instead of a dps check) You're just end up loosing tuners and wasting a ton of resources and stamina for like 200 more dps in the grand scheme of things. If nothing else, doing it right now is hilariously bad waste of time as you can always loose the 50/50 on purple rarity on top of all the rng bullshit.

Wonderful video!!!

If you recicle in level 5 you can save XP and shell credit, but not turners, because the cost for turning is the same in every level. +10 is the sweet spot between save shell credit, turners and xp.

I have a purple 3 cost spectro that has basic attack bonus, heavy attack bonus, and resonance liberation bonus plus the critrate/damage substat, it's so good I can't even replace it(for now)

thanks for the guide and I'll still proceed with what I usually do 🤣

When I'm equipping echoes should I go for 433111, 44111 or 444? I'm trying to build Baizhi to have high HP and Healing Bonus, I tried to go for 433111 but the 3-cost enemies only drop atk stats and the cost-4 enemies all drop healing bonus. Should I switch to a 444 build for Baizhi since I have multiple of them that have healing bonus with hp substats? I'm not sure bcuz I feel like I might be losing some extra hp bonuses if I don't go for 433111

I am the epitome of casual lately. And I wasn't lucky enough to get into the Beta for this game, so I have MANY Questions on the whole Echo System...! This was one of them. Thankfully, I'm so far behind the curve that all the mistakes that I've been making so far don't really matter since I am not even to the point of getting 5-star Echos yet! So thanks for the video, as this will definitely help me! However, what is the "COST" on each echo mean? I've seen someone mention having 4-3-3-1-1 builds and that flew well over my head. I do see that each echo has a number in the corner, and I'm guessing this is that cost that was mentioned, but what's it mean? What does that cost mean to an echo and for your build? What does the 4-3-3-1-1 build do for your character? Why wouldn't we want 4's all the way down? And is it a DPS build? Would it be advantageous to have different build types for healers vs quick-swap characters vs other? Maybe I should take this to discord or Reddit, but since I'm here and it helps you get engagement on the video, I figured I'd try here first! (See, I'm helping!) Thanks again and catch you later! (Someday I hope to catch your streams again... Life just gets in the way sometimes.)

this video has made me realize its good that im cheap because ive been doing this it does help a lot!! definitely a good tip

Ok so I've just checked this video earlier then decided to test it. I thought my yinlin build couldn't go better but after doing this her crit dmg went to 262% with 58% crit chnc. Plus the discarded lvl 5s can be also fed to other echoes for other characters so it's not really a waste. This is very helpful thank you so much!

Oh wow, me being dumb just mindlessly upgraded Ferilian Beringal wifh crit rate. Good thing tune gave me additional crit rate of 9.9%. Thanks for this! I will definitely follow this suggestion.

I've been leveling all my echoes to 10 and checking my first 2 substats every time. But I play this game a lot and don't mind farming, so I will take the lvl 5 advice because I am starving for echo exp. Great video, great tips, thank you 🙏

I think it is always up to how powerful you currently are. Having no decent main stat echos could make things hard for you in higher world levels, If a piece main stat and set aligns together then I'll upgrade it to lvl 20 (not 25) no matter what, and then after having a full lvl 20 set with the right main stats I'd then try to min max and care about the perfect rolls aka only upgrading when i get decent sub stats

I've actually been doing this already. If I have an abundance of echoes with the correct main stat, I'll gradually level them up, stopping every time I get a bad stat. However, the correct DMG bonus echoes are quite hard to obtain, so I'll check until 3rd tuning and see how it goes. If I get more bad stats, I would obviously stop...BUT sometimes I get this intrusive "what if" I get a good stat on the next tuning (because the odds of having bad stats is now lower), so I go all the way lol

I mean if you only tune on one substats to measure luck, then it would also be a waste not to open the next tuning, sometimes luck can also be around the corner and you're ditching it right after the 1st. Personally, I would go for a few more tunings, because you need at least 2 critical substats and energy recharge, after all, you are on the preferred main stat, so a +15 first for me though, especially it being a very low drop chance.

Before tossing any 3 costs as fodder, since it's very hard to get 3 costs with right main stat and element set, I would advice to keep the one you have even with bad rolls until farming and rolling better substats.

A big tip that might not be obvious but a lot of sub-dps characters work just fine with a Moonlit set with DPS stats. Saves a lot of resources if you only go for the element set for your main DPS's and keep your support and sub dps with the healing and energy sets and swap between them.

Thanks very reasonable advice cant believe I didn't think of that... Maybe I was just impatient

What are your thoughts on 4-4-1-1-1 havoc having dreamless and crownless?

Farming for Calcharo and Yinlin... Mostly Fusion Herons and even when I get an Electro one, it's not an Electro DMG%+ one. The pain is real and I'm getting real tired. Finally got ONE Electro Heron with the Electro damage. First stat flat DEF. Fine, lets see the second.. DEF%. Yeah, I don't think I'll ever go beyond the first stat unless it's Crit from now on. Thanks for the vid!

thanks for the tips sir it rally hlp me as new commer ^^

flat stats are pretty good in this game, 50 atk when you have like 2k at max, is 2.5% overall dmg increase, when your 8% basic attack dmg increase is additive 8% to you already having like 100% other dmg increases which makes it 4% only to basic, when even basic attack characters deals like 50% of their dmg from basic attacks, making it only 2% overall dmg increase dont trash flat atk, most of the time its better than dmg% increases

It's crazy hard to find a good substat in wuwa for now, the material you need to level up the echo is nuts

I need a video on getting Echo Levelling Materials a lot more than figuring out substats right now. But good video still

A little tip for all the fodder: If you use them to level up other echoes, you will retain some of the tuners used for sub stats, so that way it's not a complete waste of materials, and you can save some of your exp tubes in the process. Hope that helps!

Looking at substats in HSR i found out that there is no way to get the same stat as the main stat (as a substat). I did so by examining at least 100 relics. Not one of them had it. BUT in WuWa you can actually get something like Crit% main + crit% sub which i think it was interesting.

Is it better to farm the mob itself for the 3 and 1 costs or just keep running tacet fields?

Whats important to mention, this makes this whole thing very easy to understand, its literally the bread and butter of this. is that GETTING ECHOES DOESNT CONSUME YOUR ENERGY, its completely free, you just have to put in time to farm them, but you can do it as much as you want to. GETTING TUNERS DOES HOWEVER, thats why you should save your 5 star tuners as much as possible, and treat echoes as disposables.

Hey i wanna ask, which one is better for building a unit ? 1. Cost 3 : 2 element dmg bonus + Cost 1 : 2 atk% Or 2. Cost 3 : 1 element dmg bonus + cost 3 : 1 atk% + cost 1 : 2 atk% Im really confused because some people build with no 1, other with no. 2

Long term this is good advice, but starting out, I really just want to have a base +25 proper set on my main dps with the right mainstats to be able to do all or nearly all the content in the game I can for my level, and to only then start min maxing replacements, in which I'd start with the pieces that have the worst substats first when looking for replacements. It's a drag doing the tougher content with like +10 echos is a major reason as to why.

Hint from a MMORPG-Player: Two friends and myself did it like this: I lowered my world, then everyone had three bosses assisgned. Then you just rotate around your three bosses and kill them. After half an hour, you can make a short coffee break and go to every boss location and get A LOT of stacked echos. Then repeat for as long as you want (and have coffee or alcohol lol). Fun fact: If the world owner needs to go off, the world still stays online for 15 min. So you can go on with farming (for ONLY 15 MIN!!!), teleport, boss respawn etc. Have fun farming :)

but how about the tuning materials? arent they hard to come by as well?

i wish we could feed our extra echoes into the ones we wanna build. even at Union level 40, the echo exp drops are so little still. i know they will be increasing the rewards in the future for tacet fields but yeah building echoes feels so tedious atm

In prydwen the substat possibilities are different idk if its outdated or was a typo

Thanks for the echo guide!👌😊

I thought Encore is giving us a middle finger in the thumbnail lol

Good advice man

Does the 3 Cost elites comes back after a duration?

Personally, I first go for fully leveled full set of 5 star echoes with decent main stats first before doing this since I want to quickly make a decent team first then I min-max the substats next. That way, my point of comparison when choosing whether to keep levelling the echo is the existing echo.

Can you make a guide on the standard characters?

Yo guys any advice how to get more credits without consuming waveplates???

In the early game Im not gonna be too picky, just 1 crit n 1 more good stat, then go to +20 n use the piece until like UL40 or 45 to clear the content. Then in the endgame when I can farm comfortably I will be more picky. It is just a personal choice, because I want to have an easier time farming, and not just aim for endgame gear right off the bat

“What’s taking damage on the background” literally me while I’m just looking for Resobeacons to activate across the map

This advice is great. Though, that first dreamless you showed kinda goes against all this logic and demonstrates how it can still pay off as those last 4 sub stats are pretty much the best possible rolls. I also think it’s fine to have non-perfect echoes so early into the game. As long as you have 3 useful substats or maybe double crit and nothing else then it’s fine to keep for now. But for end game, this strat is definitely the way to go when trying to find the final echoes to perfect your builds. Also, hoping Brad brings out a Yinlin guide as he’s always my go to for 5star guides 😊🤞

i recommend upgrading ur main dps' echos to max regardless of sub stats just to utilize the main stat so u can actually farm faster

is mortefi's kit not good for main dps H-rover?

Can sb tell me what ratio to crit rate & dmg i should have? Ik its like 1:2 but idk how that looks like it terms of numbers

XD i get a pretty similar unlucky epic drop row on the thundering mephis, i'm actually at 6 in a row (data bank lvl 18), when the tempest by an early pity in top of that dropped first time in legendary ^^ how do i lvl up my data bank if he keep coming in epic HEHEHE

Very helpful video

I feel like crit rate main stat hates me as I got 3 crit rate main stats and 21 crit DMG main stats on my dreamless. Then when I look at the purples, 20 of them have crit rate as the main stat...

Farm infinitely does not apply to 3 cost and below right, since they only respawn daily (I think). since I ran out of the 3 cost cars and monkeys while farming for Jiyan edit: I just reach the part when you says you can farm in other peoples world, so yeah I stand corrected

can someone please help me understand why genshin and other games i can play on highest graphics mobile no issues but withering waves lowest graphic still has issues?? what’s the reason???

I'm so confused on the sub-stats rolls, does that mean my first sub-stat could be a max crit dam roll? So 21% right off the bat or it's like genshin where it rolls higher the more you invest into the piece

I've being grinding for straight 4days searching for a havoc bonus with sun ecplise set 💀but those echoes aint even dropping or doesnt even give me the set i want im going nuts

Another issue on that is the echo upgrade materials. Because when you get to UN 30 and up, those materials are going to be super scarce. Especially for f2p players. Hope they could add dedicated domains to only get echo upgrade materials.

The issue I have with only leveling to 5 or 10 is that you save a lot of exp, but I ran out of tuners fast haha.

I'm pretty sure I'm about to get every other element stat on that one set I have besides the same element.