WI v. Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Day 11 - Arguments Over Jury Request to View Drone Video

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Live Coverage: WI v. Kyle Rittenhouse - Kenosha Shooting
Day 2 Jury Began Deliberations at 10:15am ET
Jury Question: Do we view videos in courtroom or in private? Judge Schroeder asks "any suggestions?" Binger says he believes the law is clear they have to watch it in the courtroom
Arguments Over Jury Request to View Drone Video
Judge Schroeder & Counsel Discuss Drone Footage
REMINDER of the judge's ruling in defense use of force expert testimony: Schroeder told the attorneys that Black wouldn’t be allowed to testify about what Rittenhouse was thinking when he pulled the trigger or whether he definitively acted in self-defense.
Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger said if Schroeder allowed Black to testify only about the timeline of events that night he wouldn’t call his own expert to the stand. Defense attorney Mark Richards agreed to the deal.
Charges:
1. First Degree Reckless Homicide, Use of a Deadly Weapon (Joseph Rosenbaum)
2. First Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety, Use of a Deadly Weapon (Richard
McGinnis, reporter for Daily Caller, not injured but near Rosenbaum when Rittenhoue
fired)
3. First Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety, Use of a Deadly Weapon (unknown male)
4. First Degree Intentional Homicide, Use of a Deadly Weapon (Anthony Huber)
5. Attempt First Degree Intentional Homicide, Use of a Deadly Weapon (Gaige
Grosskreutz)
6. Possession of a Dangerous Weapon by a Person under the Age of 18 (JUDGE DISMISSED THIS COUNT ON THE DAY OF CLOSING ARGUMENTS)
7. DISMISSED AT THE END OF STATE”S CASE. Prosecution failed to put evidence in front of the jury that there was a lawful curfew in place (appears to be an oversight by prosecution) Defense moved to dismiss, judge agreed. Fail to Comply with Order of Local Government - Emergency Management Activity (citation, carries no penalty) - everyone present was breaking the 7pm curfew issued by the sheriff.
Possible Sentence: Max: Life in Prison Without Parole (WI does not have the DP)
JURY CHOSEN IN ONE DAY. 20 jurors have been selected in WI v. Kyle Rittenhouse. 9 men and 11 women. (8 are alternates)
Rittenhouse shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum, 26, and Anthony Huber, 26, and injured Gaige Grosskreutz, 27. Prosecutors say that Rittenhouse, then 17 and from Illinois, was a vigilante looking for a fight. He, like other right-wingers, went to Kenosha, Wisconsin ostensibly to protect property. This happened as protests over police shooting local man Jacob Blake turned violent. Rittenhouse’s attorneys assert he was acting in self-defense. This case became a cause célèbre among conservatives.
Prosecutors have struggled in court, failing to introduce evidence of prior aggressive behavior. This included evidence showing him attacking a woman who was in an altercation with his sister. The other is that he was closely linked to the violent, far-right Proud Boys organization.
Kenosha County Judge Bruce Schroeder said an appellate court would reverse him if he allowed these in trial. The evidence was too prejudicial, he said. He left it up in the air whether he would allow footage showing someone identified as Rittenhouse discussing a Black man exiting a CVS pharmacy. Rittenhouse believed the man was shoplifting.
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@dalefrolander3583 2 года назад

The court needs to hire a 10 year old to teach them about technology.

@missinformed3898 2 года назад

This is just getting ridiculous.

@chrissargent8398 2 года назад

This office is a disgrace. Digital legal evidence should be handled by protocol, and professionally analyzed by a computer forensics firm. Not air dropped from Joe whothehellknows, emailed from office to office, file names changed.. Ever heard of Bit Rot? This file went from phone to phone, email to email and who knows in between. Complete incompetence or intent.

@ricardoalbertoaguiar 2 года назад

There’s some little thing called CHAIN OF CUSTODY even for digital files

@haka8702 2 года назад

Just like "ipad pinch and zoom" is a forensic tool, right ?

@johnwinslow3776 2 года назад

I'm glad you brought it up because look at the election and how the ninjas just destroyed millions of dollars worth of voting equipment

@mynameismyname17 2 года назад

@@haka8702 you wont be laughing when your state govt has you on video doing something illegal that you never did here in the coming months and years.. all in an effort to increase funding with fines and eventually when we automate most industries away they will begin using technology like this to make people into criminals so they wont qualify for anything. If you understood where China's govt is at technologically and what they are already doing to poor people and really anyone that has no chance at fighting back you would take this more serious.. walk out your house and you could be instantly fined if you didn't have permission.. jaywalk and get a ticket based on your phone snitching on you without any option to turn it off and they have already put faces on others in crimes in order to take valuable property and other things.. asset forfeiture is and revenue is the only game our govt likes to play and actually do any work with so thats whats coming with your liberal socialist govt you think is "for the poor"

@Citadel97501 2 года назад

Yes, and it wasn't broken as she accepted the document at the time and we IE the prosecutor has proof of that. She is simply trying to avoid losing her law license for incompetence.

@MrFujinko 2 года назад

@@Citadel97501 Who are "we" here? When some fighter pilot bombs some civilians in a foreign country that's not me for sure. One piece of advice, just because the government say it represents you doesn't make it the truth. Ask any post soviet state citizen that.

@LtRiot 2 года назад

39:58 when he leaned back and the throne turned out to be an office chair, mynentire perspective on reallity hiccuped lol

@CHAOSDEATHCULT 6 месяцев назад

dude I thought the same at some other point, when he spun... lol

@TheBlackdog8 2 года назад

Every case Binger has worked needs a 2nd look

@danielvandermerwe7921 2 года назад

Binger is literally Little Finger from game of thrones

@natdizzle4259 2 года назад

I've been saying this! I started a gofund me to investigate there previous cases but they shut It down

@TheRealBoomslice 2 года назад

This judge deserves a raise. I feel very confident with him in charge of that court.

@savannanelson320 2 года назад

This judge deserves definitely a raise he is fair honest and balanced as the blind Justice scale that they've all sworn oath on to do towards others God knows there's so many times that justice has failed its people

@ericleggingwell628 2 года назад

How about the public officials who let our cities burn are charged as an accomplice

@austinbevis4266 2 года назад

Charge them as coconspirators in instigating the matter.

@ryancruz1876 2 года назад

Which cities burned? 🤨 You should turn off the conservative media.

@gowsif_dnb 2 года назад

@@ryancruz1876 so businesses across the country didn't suffer looting, arson, and other kinds of property damage?

@WHADDDD 2 года назад

@@ryancruz1876 Businesses around the country were burned to the ground and billions of dollars in damage caused by the riots. Quit playing stupid, it’s not a good look for you.

@evamurray2564 2 года назад

@@ryancruz1876 billions of dollars in damages, 60 odd people dead, autonomous zones were set up where attempted rapes and murder occurred. Etc is apparently a North burger. Grow up.

@TruFight1 2 года назад

If you cannot see the corruption of the prosecution then I don't know what to tell you. Unbelievable.

@emilyme05 2 года назад

Natalie did a beautiful job teeing this up for a clear mistrial. She’s a gem. Factual, direct, professional, but stern.

@mrdewilliams 2 года назад

Just about every IT person seeing this is screaming at the video about how ignorant the prosecution is on this. It is the sender's end that does any compression or alteration to the file, not the receiver's end.

@abby4027 2 года назад

What makes me dumbfounded is he admitted to using a personal computer for classified information.

@mcc9040 2 года назад

They're exploiting the judge's lack of technical expertise.

@john_jacob_jingleheimerschmidt 2 года назад

And "Millibytes"

@doc-holliday- 2 года назад

Also what email auto compresses videos? They normally just suto reject files over the size limit. And what email wouldnt handle an 11mb attachment? The fact the title and meta data are different clearly shows they sent the smaller file. The fact they are lying about it and trying to say they sent the original and through the magic of technology it got compressed shows they did it on purpose.

@abby4027 2 года назад

@@doc-holliday- YES!!

@tacksgmvs2070 2 года назад

These guys are making fools of themselves. I’m starting to believe the judge and the jury just want these guys to keep humiliating themselves in front of the rest of the country.

@mikes8079 2 года назад

That’s why you’re not a lawyer lol

@sydneyconcerts902 2 года назад

you do understand %90 of the world is watching this thinking the judge is breast feeding kyle and that this is a show trial?

@tacksgmvs2070 2 года назад

@@mikes8079 I’ve never said anything about being one.

@tacksgmvs2070 2 года назад

@@sydneyconcerts902 I never said anything about the rest of the world, I said the rest of the country.

@beluga2342 2 года назад

@@sydneyconcerts902 ur in the minority on that one lmao. 90% of the world thinks hes innocent, cause yah know, this should have never even went to trial...

@christianolsen549 2 года назад

Why is the jury out so long? The case is quite simple. Anything but a no guilty would be the biggest scandal ever!

@gyro1705 2 года назад

It looks bad on the jury to come up with a verdict too soon, it comes across as not discussing. Plus they are getting death threats.

@GnomeChompsky94 2 года назад

That’s what I wanna know too.

@christianolsen549 2 года назад

@@gyro1705 ye and now MSNBC joined in the threats towards the jury...the goid judge banned them. I hope MSNBC is closed down!

@gyro1705 2 года назад

@@christianolsen549 yup

@haka8702 2 года назад

Gmail would NOT compress an attachment, neither does any (receiving) email client on the market. Also no client would change the attachment filename. They are crooked. I want to see them say that on oath, then a forensic IT expert analyze the email source and then a criminal trial seeing both of them. It's not the only crooked move from those "state" prosecutors.

@MidniteNation5 2 года назад

So zip folders dont exist?

@tahoeclay 2 года назад

Wrong

@Canonall 2 года назад

How can you just say something like, Cleary without any knowledge? Email attachments can get compressed in a myriad of ways. Gmail itself compresses attachments, like apple and probably every other email provider. So I have no idea what you are talking about. You can Google that, if you don't believe me. Which you should hve done before commenting something that is demonstrably wrong.

@haka8702 2 года назад

@UCRnYaBCd19hK1Cw9f1oR4Sw Yes, when you send with an IPHONE from your video library it might compress the content. Though they mentioned meta-data and it sounds like the video was compressed 20 minutes after their received it (and passed along much later). I can't even find proper words how incompetent someone has to be to make such an "accident" in such a case where the life of a person is at stake. Let's just say: it's not an accident. Also when a video is compressed from 11MB down to 4MB you can expect a serious degradation. Video compression works by finding similar areas and storing them only once, then repeating them over the image/block. So any compression can create artefacts, there are some high profile problems were such compression algorithms added totally wrong structures into images. So a high compression will distort or blur our small details and it can add various "details" into an image or video that are originally not present. Their attempt to use "ipad pinch an zoom" is similar. the ipad has an AI included, when you pinch and zoom the AI algorithm will try to make the quality "nicer". In simple words: The image is completely re-drawn by an AI interpretation of how it might look like. Something like that is inexcuseable in a court case. The defense forensic expert was a good one btw. He noticed that immediately so that was blocked by the judge. Now what did the "prosecutors" do ? They hired a company to reproduce the effect. They did that by using a software that also contains an AI, the handbook says "you can not use this as forensic evidence". The guy invested 20 hours (that's what he said) in "enhancing" those 5-6 frames of interest until they contained something that looks like a pistol, by using the AI feature which re-draws the zoomed area in an interpretation of what could be there. Crooked. I have taken a screenshot of that original frame they point to (likely a bit worse quality than what they have but 720p isn't too bad). Then I took it into photoshop and worked a bit with it. There is no pistol. There is not even a person visible only a shadow who we know is a person because it later moves. You can't even point to "4 pixels" and say "that might be a pistol", it's way too bad quality to say anything than "that shadow is a person we think is kyle"

@Blahblahblah-z9h 2 года назад

@@tahoeclay detail please.

@Nciswit1 2 года назад

And ADA Lunchbox is using his personal Gmail for evidence! WTF. He was too busy to drive into office for something dealing with the biggest case of his career?!

@abby4027 2 года назад

I SAID THE SAME THING!!!!

@thereisnoninadria 2 года назад

He was walking his dog in the dark with a large flashlight?

@abby4027 2 года назад

@@thereisnoninadria ???

@thereisnoninadria 2 года назад

@@abby4027 Did you miss Lunchbox’s comments about how a large flashlight is not a weapon because he uses one when he walks his dog?

@abby4027 2 года назад

@@thereisnoninadria I believe I heard that! LOL

@AmeribornNewsTV 2 года назад

Clearly shows self defense- you can't pursue someone and run up on them (especially from behind) in a threating manner as if you were going to attack the person and try to take their weapon (to do great bodily harm or to kill the person you threaten earlier.)- that is totally self defense.

@gilbert5141 2 года назад

If only it was that easy...

@nnelly8475 2 года назад

Nothing about this piece of shyt murdering people was self defense!

@AmeribornNewsTV 2 года назад

@@nnelly8475 yes it was. Stop watching the brainwashing networks.

@SalParadise1982 2 года назад

Proportionality - learn it.

@macleanclassics 2 года назад

@@nnelly8475 The only people he shot at, came at him....if he was a murderer, there woulda been allot more bodies. In my opinion, Protestors can protest.... Rioters and looters should be shot. Enough making victims out of criminals.

@naderfever1996 2 года назад

Emailing a video doesn't compress the video and it doesn't matter if it's from an iPhone to an Android, they purposely sent a lower quality video

@chronographer 2 года назад

Emailing *can* compress in a sense. Often when sending an email you compress the files beforehand and some software does that automatically. But it's always the sender that does the compression.

@naderfever1996 2 года назад

@@chronographer True, also some email apps might compress the file (or ask if you want it compressed) however that would never convert a 11 MB file to a 4 MB file

@dancheb 2 года назад

If the e-mail originated from the user's phone, it is possible that the video was compressed there. You have little clue as to what you are talking about.

@naderfever1996 2 года назад

@@dancheb As I said it depends on the app and what the user choses to do. The Gmail App for example won't compress the file you can try that yourself

@dancheb 2 года назад

@@naderfever1996 I don't use an iPhone, so I cannot check directly. However, there are lot of moving pieces and a lot of points along the way, which could have compressed the file, unintentionally. Even dropbox compresses video files for viewing. The files exchange should have been standardized, formalized, established and vetted instead of this amateurish phone to phone air drops and e-mail exchanges.

@dk-jy3ug 2 года назад

The judge is withholding his ruling on the defense's motions for a mistrial until the jury has reached a verdict. If they find him guilty of anything, he will declare it a mistrial.

@kevinpob 2 года назад

This prosecution should be tried as criminals. I deal with digital files all the time. No way emailing a file will change its Name! Yes it can compress it if it’s unable to email it. A 4mb file should be no problem. Liars!!!!!

@jupnik5318 2 года назад

Yes! The evidence has to be untampered with. Hash values have to be checked, everything needs to be in order. This trial should get prosecutor fired.

@zaynali9923 2 года назад

I work for ibm and the files do change the name if you transferred it using some softwares and the original file was 11 mb not 4

@bmar 2 года назад

I agree that the name of the video doesn’t change when you email it. I also agree that drone videos have special “long names “ when they are created, BUT when you receive a photo or video via airdrop I believe that the phone it is received on NAMES that file whatever it wants and usually is a name sequentially similar to however many photos are in your albums. Chances are the video from senders phone was named by drone and the phone of recipient of the air drop file, changed the name. The prosecution just forwarded that file (with new name) and the defense doesn’t understand that, and along the way email compressed it. Just a hunch.

@bmar 2 года назад

I don’t know that the prosecution even knows that. Further more THEY asked the defense how do you want it and the defense said email it... now the defense says you should have used drop box ... now that defense realizes the copy is compressed they want to throw the case out when truthfully the defense and prosecution had no idea the name would be changed by the iPhone receiving it and the defense probably didn’t think about the fact that email will compress it to be able to send it. (try it with airdrop... you don’t get to name it, the iPhone does that behind the scenes)

@TV-ob1if 2 года назад

@@bmar I am 100% team Kyle and believe he is NOT Guilty (not because of emotion or politics but because of the evidence I saw the last two weeks ) but I absolutely agree with you 100%. What you explained is perfectly plausible and reasonable during file transfers etc and the problem here is the misunderstanding of technology and the different methods to txfr files. I’m not sure why this is an issue since it seems obvious that the prosecution completely failed to make its case beyond a reasonable doubt I was also an IT professional for over 25 years and realize this stuff is neither consistent nor easy to understand by most people.

@marka4204 2 года назад

I don’t know why the prosecution were so keen on allowing the jury to view the footage as much as they wanted … I think that could have been a major factor to the not guilty verdicts because they could rewind, pause etc as many times as they wanted and that makes it far easier to pinpoint each act of self defence.

@leslie8743 2 года назад

Dirty prosecution

@austinlilycurriculum3279 2 года назад

I like how thoughtful the judge is as he considers things.

@kellydodge7626 2 года назад

He is a stellar judge. He is very thorough. He is still sharp as a tack. I watched him on the Mark Jenson trial about 15 years ago and he did an amazing job there as well. Some people don't realize all that goes on in a real life trial. It's not like on TV. I have been watching live trials for 30 years. This is exactly how the process works.

@caelahrens9767 2 года назад

He isn’t nearly thoughtful enough. He shouldn’t be letting these things go and he needs to rule on it.

@Somewhat-Vexing 2 года назад

All lawyers should be accompanied by a minor at all times to explain how technology works.

@codysuttonmusic 2 года назад

@@caelahrens9767 They're let go under proof beyond reasonable doubt

@caelahrens9767 2 года назад

@@codysuttonmusic what are you even talking about? You can’t keep infringing on a persons rights without consequence.

@normcullen4857 2 года назад

I smell Corruption By the Prosecutors

@jackdonovan554 2 года назад

"We, of course, did not mean to give them a different copy" ....lolololol. This prosecuting team is so incompetent....or so greasy. I'd fire them as soon as this trial was over. Attorneys like this mess up the legal system.

@jsmith3980 2 года назад

many State prosecutors are corrupt imo

@chrissargent8398 2 года назад

I view this as "Who is going to dismiss this and take the blame." It was brilliant putting this trial on TV. How can they re trial this kid with all of this testimony online. These Two lawyers from the DAs office are just terrible..

@vnlilman 2 года назад

Is this considered tampering with evidence? hm...

@KING-em7yk Год назад

That was the defense teams assistants fault for downloading it the way she did instead of airdropping it lmao did you even watch the video???? LMAO

@jondeibe2294 2 года назад

Prosecutor Binger's twisted logic says the mob, which had at least 3 convicted felons therein, was transformed into "concerned citizens" and "heros" who could chase Rittenhouse even though they were previously rioting. And now it appears the mob may have been even worse than previously thought given the strong possibility of withheld, exculpatory drone footage 8evidence. This prosecutor thinks self-defense doesn't count if you have a gun: "You can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man like this." The man the prosecutor was talking about, Rosenbaum, kept pursuing Rittenhouse no matter how much Rittenhouse fled from him and was indeed armed - with a mob - who were rioting, thus they were hardly "concerned citizens" and "heros" as Binger described them. Instead, they were a mob armed with bricks, skateboards, and numerous hands and fists that can kiLl. Prosecutor Binger’s insane closing argument was the rioting mob had the “right” to chase Rittenhouse after he shot Rosenbaum. If you are armed, Binger will just say you can’t claim self defense, but if you are unarmed you cannot defend yourself against a mob!!! So in the mind of this simpleton there is no right to self defense...ever. And according to James Kraus, one of the prosecutors: he told the jury that Rittenhouse should have let himself be beaten because “everybody takes a beating sometimes." Also twisted.

@In.da.pot.that.some_wap 2 года назад

The zoomed in footage shows Kyle pointing his rifle at two people before Rosenbaum ran at him… that’s why they are trying to restrict it.

@beluga2342 2 года назад

@@In.da.pot.that.some_wap that is a flat out lie. watch the trial, clown

@Aethelhald 2 года назад

@@In.da.pot.that.some_wap Debunked literally 5 minutes after the internet saw it. Kyle is holding the rifle pointed down at the ground, same as he was the rest of the night. What looks like his elbow is the mirror on the car next to him. The footage is so blurry that it makes the car mirror look like his elbow. This is why the prosecution only wanted the jury to see the low quality blurry footage - because the good quality footage proves he didn't point the gun.

@Banishedsoulsofficial 2 года назад

Shouldn't be allowed as it isn't the same video prosecution entered into evidence

@gyro1705 2 года назад

The jury has already seen both though

@doc-holliday- 2 года назад

That's not what the defense really wanted though. They wanted the better quality video the whole time as it actually helps their case. (which is why the prosecution sent the low quality video and is now lying about how that happened). They were trying to have the case dismissed for the prosecution mishandling evidence on purpose.

@gyro1705 2 года назад

@@doc-holliday-ok, seems the case could still be dismissed considering the prosecution is in some hot water. Correct me if i am wrong please.

@bechill3784 2 года назад

Kyle is not guilty. Plus I'm glad the guys that died can't sexualy assault any girls anymore.

@totalstranger9880 2 года назад

Rosenbaum was molesting little boys

@bechill3784 2 года назад

@@totalstranger9880 all molesters should be shot

@alishabigelow1760 2 года назад

Prosecution is playing dumb on the handling of digital evidence. They know what they're doing and it's 100% intentional and desperate

@SalParadise1982 2 года назад

Desperate is asking for mistrial without prejudice when you already have a motion with 😂

@Aethelhald 2 года назад

@@SalParadise1982 Because they know the judge is terrified of more hit pieces in the media and likely won't dismiss with prejudice, so they go for dismissal without prejudice and in the meantime get the tampered drone footage thrown out, or at least make sure the jury sees the non-tampered version which clearly shows Kyle not pointing his gun at anybody until AFTER he is attacked =/

@camiloabreo9661 2 года назад

I don’t really see how viewing any video would be dangerous to the defence unless it’s only played to view certain parts. They should show the whole clips

@camiloabreo9661 2 года назад

@DJ Coin Laundry does the defence get a chance to explain what happened in the video and show it in it's full context? Anyone who sees the whole video could clearly see Kyle getting chased turned the first time point the gun and not shoot. By the second time he turned around they grabbed Kyle's gun and then he shot the dead guy rosen whatever hand burn marks on his hands I think the prosecuter said.

@dannyboydeluxfromthebigitybay 2 года назад

All charges dropped. Thank the Lord that some things are going right in this country

@dhmrdh 2 года назад

The prosecution is undermining justice!!

@andyortlieb3768 2 года назад

Which explains why prisons are overflowing.

@Drathrin 2 года назад

@@makepeacelily5205 why do you sympathize for the domestic abuser and child molester that attacked kyle? Or the rioters burning down independent businesses for no reason? Just curious why

@tjw1861 2 года назад

So can Tucker Carlson now be investigated for withholding critical evidence to a murder investigation!!!

@Drathrin 2 года назад

@@tjw1861 Nope cuz its not real news. same reason Rachel Maddow cant be sued for fake news.

@dpaquette1 2 года назад

Could you imagine holidays with the judge? "Hey is the turkey almost ready?" *45 minute story about the pilgrims* *Turkey is now ashes*

@drmojo5439 2 года назад

Looking for the shoot-myself-in-the-head emoji

@Anxiathy 2 года назад

After the 100th UMMM, I'D be on trial for murder

@TheSteelArmadillo 2 года назад

He seems like a riot when not in robes. You can’t blame a judge for choosing words carefully and explaining their precedent; every case he’s ever tried depends on it.

@dpaquette1 2 года назад

@@TheSteelArmadillo I'd rather have him be like that than rambling. But the joke remains a joke.

@river8760 2 года назад

Derek Paquette hilarious comment! 🤣

@Greenfields-w2p 2 года назад

Gain of custody - OMG 😱- the video - this is every reason to have a motion to dismiss this trial & not to be retried -

@alithomas1585 2 года назад

I hope they show these prosecutors on the stand.

@memudd 2 года назад

Unbelievable. Its like watching a B rated court room drama

@wayofthewonderer 2 года назад

I mean, no matter if it's once or as many times as they like, the jury will say not guilty

@TV-ob1if 2 года назад

If there’s any justice yes.

@gamefreak173 2 года назад

brave to assume stupidity wont get in the way of justice.

@robertstone9988 2 года назад

If he was going to be found innocent on all charges they would have come out with the verdict already. Good news is if they was going to find him guilty on all charges they would have came out with it already as well. The fact that's taking them this long tells me that there's at least some people fighting for a guilty but there has to be at least some people fighting for an innocent. Let's hope the people fighting for an innocent have a stronger will than those fighting for guilty

@johnwinchester6934 2 года назад

@@robertstone9988 its "been reported" there are two hold outs on an acquittal.

@TheDomaZog 2 года назад

@@robertstone9988 yea, seems like there are a few that want to see him guilty on some of the lesser charges. But i agree if he was aquitted of everything or guilty on the main charges we would have gotten a verdict yesterday.

@psychoanalyst6364 2 года назад

GEEZ! A basic technology course needs to be taught to all law students. No excuse for not knowing how to “air drop” or compress files.

@bruce2357 2 года назад

No they should have asked for it to be delivered to them on a thumb drive. Just like if you wanted any other physical evidence you would want it to be delivered by one of their people not sent via UPS or some other courier where problems could arise. They probably should have picked it up themselves, but expecting everyone to know how to do everything possible with a phone or how to compress files is just idiotic. It's like expecting a pilot to know how to fly every single plane made.

@jukebox_heroperson3994 2 года назад

Actually, I'm a quite online person and I have no clue what "airdropping" is besides parachuting things.

@Citadel97501 2 года назад

@@bruce2357 Hundreds of Thousands of files, reports, and legal documents are admitted through electronic means every day. She is incompetent or lying, likely both.

@doc-holliday- 2 года назад

Shes incompetent or lying? Guess again. The prosecution is the ones who are clearly lying. They sent a differe t lower quality video through email and are claiming it was the original that got compressed on her end. Nothing they said is remotely accurate to hkw that process works. She on the other hand correctly pointed out the telltale signs that they indeed sent a different version. (Different filename. Differe t meta data creation date.) They sent the lower quality version either on purpose or through stupidity and are now lying about it.

@Dana-jl2fv Год назад

@@Citadel97501 no, the fact that the prosecution even used their personal Gmail to receive the footage is suspect. There are protocols to follow when admitting digital evidence. Thumb drive is typical method

@LivingGood777APS 2 года назад

For crying out loud, send all the videos to the Jurors and let them view it as they see fit. If the video more clearly demonstrates the accuracy of the defenses depiction of the incident or it is clear the defense would have prepared and proceeded differently, then this is a mistrial. No question whatsoever.

@jupnik5318 2 года назад

@O Cimino yes and its SP FRICKIN WEIRD that although its almost proven, the case is still on and no one is held accountable!!!!!

@seadragon1456 2 года назад

The video in question has went from a 4MB to an 11MB that means there’s a lot of added information in the video that the state is trying to make a deal with. The 4MB version is the one that’s been showed to the jury during the trial.

@NerdRobotGaming 2 года назад

Why would the right want them to be able to sit and watch the video without being distracted by the lawyers non stop? If it was so clear cut they would not still be deliberating. Some people in this country still have a brain and ..........

@cathode5115 2 года назад

@@seadragon1456 Other way around. The video got compressed.

@zheckman89 2 года назад

@@seadragon1456 I could totally see Outlook automatically compressing videos

@ezgoin4132 2 года назад

Righteous Judge..dealing with Truth haters, where Evil is Good..Good is Evil?

@ryancruz1876 2 года назад

Are you high?

@klarion 2 года назад

what a mess

@Ilicet Год назад

I have been re-watching parts of this trial, and I had forgotten about this. As a computer person, who uses, works with and builds pc's for fun, and profit. If you email a file to someone else, the name of the file, and the size of the file does not change. Arguing otherwise is completely absurd haha

@cotywarwick3100 2 года назад

Something sketchy is going on here smh

@petespike5000 2 года назад

What a mess, worse case i have ever witnessed, this whole thing needs to be thrown out.

@anthonynimeskern3112 2 года назад

I think the defense has the best case because clearly you can see Rittenhouse was protecting himself

@ryancruz1876 2 года назад

Are you joking? 🤨

@anthonynimeskern3112 2 года назад

@@ryancruz1876 nope I ain't joking Rittenhouse defended himself and I agree with him I would have done the same thing someone hitting me kicking me imma shot that's my right I'm protecting myself

@joelyounger 2 года назад

@@ryancruz1876 please show evidence that he was NOT defending himself. Time stamps would be great.

@845SiM 2 года назад

It’s evidence, how are they allowed to air drop or email anything. It should be at the first point of contact physical transfer. Everyone knows email transfer can compress files that’s why people use drop box etc.

@doc-holliday- 2 года назад

Email doesnt compress files thats not why people use drop box etc. Emails simply have relatively very small file size limits. This is where things like drop box and google drive come in. Where you can transfers GBs at a time. However, the uncompressed video was 11MBs, that would not have had any issue being emailed. The fact they had a different filename and creation date in the metadata shows that the file they were sent was indeed a separate lower quality video. The fact it was made 21 minutes after the original is pretty conclusive that the drone operator sent it in a text message to someone shortly after they pulled the footage from the drone. Text message apps do auto compress small file sizes like 11MBs to under 5MBs. So the prosecutors had both versions and purposefully sent the lower quality one then tried to claim it was compressed on the defenses side, which isnt even how it works. They tried to lie about something they didnt even understand enough to make it convincing. Completely incompetent.

@845SiM 2 года назад

@@doc-holliday- ok, my bad. i thought if the file was big you had options to send as 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, actual size, when sending from iPhone to web based email. File size was 80 mb, I think, isn’t 10-20mb of attachments the usual max norm? If it was bigger you would be either given these options or it would be selected automatically.

@RussMeister70 2 года назад

I find it hard to believe that the prosecutor in his years of experience had NEVER received a video via cell phone . Air drop doesn't compress. If the video had a different title and was B/W sounds like a different file to me. But if was uploaded to Drive then drive would assign its own file name.

@RussMeister70 2 года назад

Prosecutor is a DB I was surprised the Judge didn't bust him for belittling Kyle's actions. " they set a big metal box on fire...oooooh" etc.

@marshamorrell2769 2 года назад

I'm 71 years old and I understand technology and compression and emailing and dropping files. And millibytes 😆 these guys are clowns.

@lennysmileyface 2 года назад

millibytes lol

@katesthgreat7552 2 года назад

Lol

@KING-em7yk Год назад

LMAO WHAT ARE MILLIBYTES HHAHAHAHAHAH

@ricardoalbertoaguiar 2 года назад

You got to give it to the prosecutor, he really does know how to cheat

@jram7047 2 года назад

Is it the detective or the attorneys office to submit the evidence and also is the higher resolution quality video the same evidence as the lower resolution version

@My2CentsYall 2 года назад

They cleared it up and its not favorable... see that is f up. NOw they got a clearer version now the defense does not want it.

@biederland4926 2 года назад

ADA Lunchbox needs to go to jail.

@OneManCanStopTheMotorOfWorld 2 года назад

The only way Kyle Rittenhouse loses this case is if the judge allows the jury to mail in their verdict.

@c2cooler2 2 года назад

I sure hope you're right.

@zemyna3539 2 года назад

These prosecutors are such snakes.

@haydenknowlton22 2 года назад

They are adolf hitler causins

@si_quest 2 года назад

Ultimately the lawyers can say whatever they want. The jury’s love or dislike of guns will dictate the verdict

@92xl 2 года назад

That wouldn't be an 'impartial jury' then.

@pasha92 2 года назад

I'm not even from the US, and I have mixed feelings about guns ( I think that firearms posession is a complicated and nuanced matter which has both good and bad aspects) do you think that the members of the jury will have a binary "like /don't like" guns opinions?

@classicjag76 2 года назад

the one Gauge tried to use to murder Kyle Rittenhouse with, or the gun that Kyle defended himself with?

@marymurphy937 2 года назад

The judge wants justice for Kyle. It is an easy case. Video footage shows self defence.

@DistendedPerinium 2 года назад

@@pasha92 It can get pretty polarized here. I know several people who are firmly anti-gun, and one who believes they should have never existed.

@KellysMind 2 года назад

when you compress a file you do not lose any information. If the file was unzipped and was different from the original then the file has been altered.

@zombiegun71 2 года назад

Compressing ANYTHING results in lost data…the process of compression uses complicated algorithms to eliminate “useless” information in the file. There’s even a compression algorithm named “lossy”. What compression DOESN’T is rename the file, change its extension, or fundamentally alter the file.

@gb3376 2 года назад

Digital files don’t get compressed while being sent via email. HE KNOWS THAT.

@jaredprince4508 2 года назад

They need to just lock the jury up and not let them out till the verdict is in there taking away too long for a self defense case

@jacksmith8114 2 года назад

He killed 2 ppl ...he's a murderer !!!!!!

@Aethelhald 2 года назад

@@jacksmith8114 It's not murder if you kill someone who's attacking you.

@TheBlackdog8 2 года назад

How did jury find out about BS evidence?

@oliverbergmann6117 2 года назад

they did not...the prosecution was "intelligent" enough to say "ours is in HD" when the defense wanted to provide the video to the jury

@tjw1861 2 года назад

So can Tucker Carlson be investigated for withholding critical evidence to a murder investigation

@seadragon1456 2 года назад

@@tjw1861 start watching @13:30 That’s where it’s taking about the new footage and where it was sold and how it ended up in court.

@seadragon1456 2 года назад

@@tjw1861 the nitty gritty about the change of footage happens around @22:30 😬 there is some shady stuff going on on the prosecution side.

@nayamun4378 2 года назад

Don’t tell me they are arguing about a video quality. If i can figure out air drop then lawyers should too. Especially in a case that the whole world is watching.

@zoso73 2 года назад

This is going to end in a hung jury, and the State won't prosecute a second time. I wasn't impressed with the defense counsel's closing arguments.

@sethwilldraw5903 2 года назад

The defenses closing argument was trash. I thought he was trying to make it long, and boring so the jury would lose interest in how strong the prosecutions closing argument was. I think he did a horrible job there, a fairly divisive and strong job in other times during the trial.

@beluga2342 2 года назад

@@sethwilldraw5903 the prosecution's closing argument was horrible whatXD u call that strong? my man couldnt make a SINGLE point that actually makes kyle even LOOK guilty...

@jon7979 2 года назад

@@beluga2342 sounds like you weren’t watching

@randallfowler9348 2 года назад

@bianchi1885 Yeah that is what I think is going to happen too. Its too politically explosive. Everyone just wants it to end. The prosecution wants this case in his rear view mirror and does not want to touch it again.

@nnelly8475 2 года назад

Two people murdered and one attempted murder?!? Are you sure the prosecution is giving up? I think not! Even if they let this piece of trash walk, The Most High God's judgement is coming

@brettheary 2 года назад

I love this judge

@Rizziculous 2 года назад

And uh

@caelahrens9767 2 года назад

I don’t. He lets everything the prosecution pulls go. He will yell at them and make a big scene but never actually rules in favor of the defense.

@Courage2006 2 года назад

She's suposedly a tech expert and calls it a millibyte file instead of a megabyte file ...

@208_treasure6 2 года назад

And not only once, but multiple times 🥴

@LtRiot 2 года назад

In the non tech world, all it takes to be a "tech expert' is a couple certs you can slap on the end of your name and business card in a joke online class in a weekend

@reidger7778 2 года назад

I'm not a IT specialist but emailing a file surely wouldn't go from 11mb to 4mb or am I wrong?

@MightyWolfman 2 года назад

You are not wrong. They have 1 normal file. And the other is a edited file

@drifter6870 2 года назад

or change the filename, also the file has new metadata created 20mins after the orginal file. very suspect.

@ThatDjinn 2 года назад

@Facepalm Full O' Napalm Can you explain to me how emailing digital data, which is basically a string of 1's and 0's, can result in quality loss? This is not an analogue medium, which suffers physical degradation through the act of copying, this is a digital file. Unless tampered with by software, knowingly or unknowingly to the sender - the loss of quality should not occur. Loss of data should not result even if you email a file that's been compressed with the typical compression methods and then unpack it on the receiver side. I don't know enough about American law to say if that would be lawful or not though. The only way I can see this occur by mistake is if one of the sides has some form of automated MOV file compression. This would usually be on the sender's side, not the receiver. I could be wrong though and I'm open to be educated on the matter.

@chronographer 2 года назад

@@ThatDjinn Some software does say 'hey, you're emailing a big file do you want to compress it?' not sure about email clients but also when getting files off a cloud storage like one drive or Dropbox. Either way that would be on the senders side. Never the reciever of the email.

@ThatDjinn 2 года назад

@@chronographer Indeed, but then you allow the file to be compressed by choice. And even then - usually you will end up with some kind of .zip or other format that can be unpacked in a lossless fashion (you would end up with the same file as the original after unpacking it). What we have here is irreversible video compression - that is reducing the output resolution/color/framerate/etc. - and what prosecution seems to suggest is that the video was not compressed by them. There is also a question of the changed filename. Could be an indication that at some point someone opened the original file in some software and then used that software to save a new copy, and that person probably thought that they were "downloading" the file by doing that. A lot of things don't add up. Someone will look at those files, look at the prosecutor's sent message and the message received by the defense, track the entire route of the file from drone's camera to it's destination and compare the data. I will say though, that I would expect a bit more understanding of digital media from lawyers who use them in their case.

@bryonflann9815 2 года назад

sicking how rhe prosecution alters evidence and lies

@GuyFromTheSouth 2 года назад

The justice system is screwed

@lisacarroll9927 2 года назад

So how do we know it's not tampered with since there is no chain of custody

@thelion2087 2 года назад

He killed two people and injured one with an AR 15 which he bought illegally. Guilty enough said.

@lennysmileyface 2 года назад

@@thelion2087 Gun wasn't illegal try again, watch the trial

@pain_weaver 2 года назад

@@thelion2087 definitely your a clown

@Aethelhald 2 года назад

@@thelion2087 He killed two people and injured one in self defence (as shown in literally all the video footage) with an AR15 that was purchased legally and was being carried legally, hence why the gun charge was thrown out by the judge.

@lisacarroll9927 2 года назад

I was speaking of this drone video that was dropped off by a random stranger who wouldn't give his name

@savannanelson320 2 года назад

I have watched many several of this footage in my concern is this officer that keeps walking up and down the center aisle as people are allowed to enter the courtroom never in my practice of my time have I ever seen this happening I understand there is a concern here but if people are allowed to come into the courtroom shouldn't they have already been checked over by previous law enforcement to enter the courthouse he concerns me with someone else that has an attitude to seek Justice if that's the right way to put it or is he just bored

@TheBlackdog8 2 года назад

Fishy fishy fishy

@randomtask9029 2 года назад

Changing a filename does not alter its contents. It remains bit identical. Comparing file hashes is the way to prove if they are identical or not. Basic IT stuff. Scary that they don't know this and are tossing files around like confetti.

@JediBuddhist 2 года назад

Where's the Chain of custody ..!? Also Where's the "Expert Teenager" who can explain how computers work. ? Most of the apps they are using compress as standard. LOL OMG LMAO

@TheAzb7 2 года назад

Sounds like no1 has the original drone footage...Aren't drone files saved as DJI.dat??

@SpaklesDr 2 года назад

Doesn't look good that the Jury would be interested in the Drone Footage. Grossboy's testimony alone should be enough to get a not guilty verdict. Drone footage is pointless after that.

@americanskeptic1559 2 года назад

Once you hear he raises the gun you can't not see it that way in the drone video.

@robertvictor3237 2 года назад

It's not pointless when some of the jury believe that the kid is guilty.

@charliemoreno8244 2 года назад

Defense: "we got a video that was 4 milli byte..." 🤣 I think I know who screwed up.

@marka4204 2 года назад

Yeah the prosecution did … she proven they did because the version she received was created 28 minutes after the original clear quality one the state made.

@Nero.H 2 года назад

❎ BREAKING; ❎ ATTORNEY BUSTED TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE

@Citadel97501 2 года назад

This is ridiculous, you downloaded the wrong file and didn't bother to ask for a good copy. At most the only person failing their duty as an officer of the court is her...

@Crazyjn 2 года назад

Are you deaf? They discussed what happened and what is being alleged. Now go back and listen again. They sent a copy that was only 4mb and was titled differently then what the state had. State had an 11mb clearer video that was named something completely different, and was created 21 minutes after the original was made. Indicating they doctored evidence…They better hope the jury finds him not guilty, because if they’re called on half of their lies then not only will it lead to a mistral with prejudice, It will also mean big trouble for the prosecution…

@et2878 2 года назад

Notice how bored Kyle looks, he knows he's already won and just wants to go home and play video games lol

@jacksmith8114 2 года назад

Don't be fooled by the look of "WHAT IS HAPPENING, IAM TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND " from boredom

@ShasOSwoll 2 года назад

FYI: "HE CROSSED STATE LINES" is no longer valid ever since the firearms charge was dropped by the prosecution. (as if it meant anything anyway)

@In.da.pot.that.some_wap 2 года назад

Yes, but him pointing a firearm at two people right before Rosenbaum ran at him still applies. That is why defense doesn’t want the jury to view the drone footage, which drops any self defense.

@razorfame9523 2 года назад

@@In.da.pot.that.some_wap they already showed it in court and Kyle got right up on the screen and said he doesn't see the gun being pointed

@KING-em7yk Год назад

@@razorfame9523of course Kyle would say that why would he indict himself by saying he sees himself pointing which would lose the self defense charge and cause provocation lmao

@jesusoftheapes 2 года назад

This judge being apart of the case law they were trying to use is pretty rare and very neat. Everyone who does not like this judge probably has not seen many judges. This one seems like a fair judge compared to any I've seen in Wisconsin. The judges today are all sold out to the corrupt and crooked DA depts. across the entire state of Wisconsin. If anyone has gone in front of judges from the northern counties of WI knows this guy is not like them. There is a judge in Hayward who is skimming money from the indian reservation and everyone knows it but he is above the law there. He could be the most corrupt person in the entire state.

@dlw2982 2 года назад

Your name is Jesus of the apes...lolol. you expect anyone to read your biggot drivel lol.

@Greenfields-w2p 2 года назад

It’s not fair to the “process “ as the prosecutors say so to the judge . The jury is not respected anyway - dismissal should occur - judge warned harshly the other day with warnings & emphasizing they view wo restriction and explanations- Motion to dismiss!

@coreys1114 2 года назад

Tell me he doesn’t sound like Jonah Hill

@shirleyaprile4838 2 года назад

THAT'S IT! Thanks, been wracking my brain for days wondering who he reminds me of.

@blayne888 2 года назад

Hmm... those millibytes...

@vitalsound1727 2 года назад

It’s like watching the titanic sink but rose ain’t there

@shadowfax743 2 года назад

I think they should get the full hd copies.

@gavinbissell8847 2 года назад

What a farce

@larrybranson623 2 года назад

You would think at least the police could show up with car cameras,and be a witness but nobody wants to pay for that.

@diggitywaxenhausen9011 2 года назад

The judge is QUEASY guys. Bring in the experts.

@marus3953 2 года назад

If Kyle is judged as guilty for defending himself, then that would be a huge blow to self-defense law. In the future if the same case for self-defense occur, this case could be used to reverse any legitimate reason of self- defense.

@austinbevis4266 2 года назад

In Wisconsin...

@mikepowell8611 2 года назад

That's the idea.

@monlovchel 2 года назад

@@austinbevis4266 it will be used in the US

@ulysesibarra2589 2 года назад

Self defense from a fist ? Hahaha sounds like a little boy who cant fight

@austinbevis4266 2 года назад

@@ulysesibarra2589 and guns and a skateboard

@Courage2006 2 года назад

The type of phone that is receiving the email does not cause the file to be compressed.

@MrTjhayes 2 года назад

These dropkicks realise emailing it can compress it if you that as an option, same with a photo give you options small medium large or actual size like ffs 😂

@shirleyaprile4838 2 года назад

Not Let's Make a Deal!!!! Love it!!!!

@fuzefpv5766 2 года назад

They never heard of Dropbox? Is 2021 they don't know how to use a lil of tech.

@lisacarroll9927 2 года назад

Oh so the drone video wasn't from the FBI

@brandonbaney5734 2 года назад

Talk about not having a understanding of tech

@dustynclegg2615 2 года назад

Binger Knows they f$ed up

@mcc9040 2 года назад

I wonder if Judge Schroeder is acquainted with the judge that lives on a boat with Flufferboy-2004-Binger?

@ginaiannucci 2 года назад

Disaster

@halloweenjack3039 2 года назад

Older email systems will not allow email attachments over 10Meg. If the file was 11 meg it might not go from one email service to another or perhaps even within a service. If it was gmail to gmail 11M is fine. the limit is 25M. But this was an mov file not a compressed .zip or something. It might be that one file is what the drone transmitted and the other is what it recorded to it's internal storage.

@fordnut4914 2 года назад

Funny how the fentenal Floyd video was so compelling "supposedly" and convincing but this one is all the sudden questionable when it clearly shows WTF happen .🤔 🤦‍♂️

@mcc9040 2 года назад

Excellent observation.

@gene9230 2 года назад

well Floyd was larger than 5 Pixels.

@dlw2982 2 года назад

You biggots....lol

@fordnut4914 2 года назад

@@gene9230 he is talking to chomo. Rosenbaum now

@danieljpollack1814 2 года назад

Innocent. Drop all charges

@thelion2087 2 года назад

🥴🤡

@SpiritTracker7 2 года назад

If someone was chasing a police officer like that and got that close, there wouldn't be an argument or debate. The police are permitted to take action based on the perception of threat and allowed to use deadly force if they feel their life was in danger. The same goes for any human being... clearly, the video shows a chaotic moment when a man is chasing another man and gaining ground super fast... and no one can say for certain that he was NOT trying to take Rittenhouse's rifle and potentially turn on him... the prosecution's argument that he shot a man just for chasing him and getting within 2 to 3 feet of him is not justification for defending oneself with lethal force is quite the most absurdist thing I've heard in a while. It boggles my mind that the jury would even deliberate this long. There must be outside forces at work here... political influence or something. This should have been over within a few hours of jury deliberation.

@wiskyr6510 2 года назад

"If someone was chasing a police officer like that and got that close, there wouldn't be an argument or debate". Idk, I'm pretty sure anything short of blatantly murdering the cop and people would still cry "injustice" and "excessive force."

@austinrichardson433 2 года назад

Yeah how can they still be deciding its crazy

@SpiritTracker7 2 года назад

@@wiskyr6510 perhaps, but gunfire going off seconds earlier... the potential that he might have a knife... the potential he strikes you unconscious and use your weapon to kill you... it's never excessive force just because they are unarmed because a few seconds later they might be armed with your weapon.