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These days, North American road diesel locomotives really only have two shapes. Electro-Motive-Division/Progress Rail's newest freight diesels have a more squared off, notched nose whereas General Electric's locomotives have more angular noses. A commonality both have are two windows for the crew, and a wide nose that takes up the width of the frame. I thought the question "what was the first locomotive to use the aesthetics that gave us the modern SD70ACe-T4 and ET44AC" would be a cool thing to answer. In this video I take a brief look at the history of the wide-cab locomotive, and give an answer as to why so many North American diesel locomotives look the way they do.
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@AmtrakGuy365
@AmtrakGuy365 2 года назад
Had to reupload this because I put the wrong picture up when mentioning the C40-8W lol, sorry about that!
@lilcattythewildnorwester7786
@lilcattythewildnorwester7786 2 года назад
it's All Great, l hope do the Rolling Stock of Amtrak in Future
@littleteapot132
@littleteapot132 2 года назад
union pacific dash 9
@AmtrakFan19290
@AmtrakFan19290 2 года назад
Please do remake engines of Amtrak GE Genesis police Amtrakguy365
@DaGamingIdiot
@DaGamingIdiot 2 года назад
Nah he should to hhp 8 for engines of Amtrak
@nathancorcoran5347
@nathancorcoran5347 2 года назад
I hadn’t saw this mistake in the old video, since I didn’t watched it.
@Trains-With-Shane
@Trains-With-Shane 2 года назад
I've always preferred the standard cab, aesthetically. But can certainly relate to the benefits of the "wide" cab. I've been in the front of a standard GP30 and there isn't a ton of room in there.
@TrainGuy33
@TrainGuy33 2 года назад
Should’ve seen how bad the standard dash 8’s were. God awful locomotives and god awful cabs. I’ll gladly take anything widecab leading.
@sixpest
@sixpest 2 года назад
no thanks they looked like they ate a 379 then still decided to be a train
@Klombo114
@Klombo114 2 месяца назад
Same
@drowdaba1
@drowdaba1 Месяц назад
Same here
@creaturexxii
@creaturexxii 2 года назад
Wide cabs are aesthetically one of my favorite freight locomotive designs. Given that I grew up in Canada with my grandma's house being close to some tracks, Canadian Pacific wide-cab locomotives are a common sight. Also, I heard that a battery-powered locomotive proposed to Canadian Pacific and other North American train companies would still use the wide cab design, keeping the traditional look while using different powering methods.
@nutsackmania
@nutsackmania 2 года назад
wide cabs speak to you
@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer
I would prefer a traditional electric locomotive powered by overhead lines, only with a wide cab, rather than this battery nonsense.
@RHTeebs
@RHTeebs 2 года назад
I think the wide cabs look so much better. The standard cabs are too utilitarian, IMO.
@willausterman3104
@willausterman3104 2 года назад
They don't call standard cabs "Spartan cabs" for no reason lol
@TheRealRajo6466
@TheRealRajo6466 Год назад
Both Standard and Wide Cabs are good in my opinion
@plisskenationbackfromthede3657
@plisskenationbackfromthede3657 2 года назад
In the 90s we used to say "oh wow a wide cab!" Nowadays its the exact opposite lol. Living by bnsf/up, its all we see
@blanetrain9584
@blanetrain9584 2 года назад
Although you stated the GP38-2W was the first to have the Canadian Comfort Cab, I think the M-420W beat it out by just a few weeks from what I've seen online as people have seemed to state this at least a few times when the question of the first Canadian Comfort Cab has come up (though both might as well be credited with being the first given the close proximity of delivery)
@thomasklimchuk441
@thomasklimchuk441 2 года назад
Those M-420's that Alco made were as spartan as you could get the side panels on the cab interiors were peg board Try switching with those units you were always using your independent brake or your train line in order to spot cars
@samshide611
@samshide611 2 года назад
My preference is for the standard cab, I like the boxier look with the rails, and the idea of being able to walk right out around the front of the locomotive is very cool to me
@TalenGryphon
@TalenGryphon 2 года назад
TBH I prefer the looks of the standard cab. The old GP38 and GP40-2 being two of my favorite engines
@usmcsam4821
@usmcsam4821 2 года назад
Thanks for the video. Wish there could have been more detailed photos or diagrams of the interior layout. Always wanted to see a video of the inside of the cabs and some diagrams or blueprints showing the different configurations and features inside the cab and the nose. I understand it isn't 5 star accommodations but a small toilet and galley sure help on long shifts.
@charliesullivan4304
@charliesullivan4304 Год назад
Yes, I think that would help clarify the reason it's called "wide cab" instead of "wide nose".
@Pensyfan19
@Pensyfan19 2 года назад
A rather short, but very informative episode. Great for explaining the origins of this now common design.
@ditchpatcher
@ditchpatcher 2 года назад
The widecab on the C40-8W and C44-9W are my favorite style cabs
@bobsmith2637
@bobsmith2637 2 года назад
Canadian National and their employees (we used to have a locomotive cab committee with both management and union members) designed the original Canadian comfort/safety cab after several accidents where crews were injured or killed. CN never bought another new standard cab locomotive, and this design formed the basis for both the EMD and GE safety cabs. The earlier EMD FP45 design was strictly for appearance as you mentioned, and was not any stronger than contemporary standard or 'spartan' cabs.
@alejandrobarraganlopez3231
@alejandrobarraganlopez3231 2 года назад
But You forget the Legendary BN triclops SD60
@sernajrlouis
@sernajrlouis 2 года назад
Love the Canadian comfort cab locomotives. Not too much the modern wide cabs. . I love the standard cabs because I grew up seeing them . Great video. Really enjoyed it. Can you do a video on Amtrak Sunset Limited?? Keep the videos coming
@RingingResonance
@RingingResonance 2 года назад
This video feels way longer than 2m 51s. Great job. Short, Sweet, And To The Point. Just the way all explanations should be.
@mbart5113
@mbart5113 2 года назад
Does anyone like the modern North American streamlined diesel electric train engine locomotives and the modern North American Dash 9 diesel electric train engine locomotives?
@admiralcapn
@admiralcapn 2 года назад
I wish someone could re-create that EMC EA cab for passenger locomotives - it would be a great call-back but house modern diesels for efficiency.
@cpmodels5105
@cpmodels5105 2 года назад
The NS crescent cab is very beautfull betwen wide cabs, afortunated not have here in brazil. The canadian wide cabs also are beault, for me have more "train face" in the world.
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 Год назад
Considering Siemens and Stadler making waves in the American passenger market, I wonder if more European designs for freight locos will be adopted in the future, being seen as more modern and up to date.
@Benthetrainkid
@Benthetrainkid 2 года назад
You forgot to mention the three window widecabs, nicknamed "Triclops"
@aidantherailfan2175
@aidantherailfan2175 2 года назад
Was it a reupload?
@bradl8887
@bradl8887 2 года назад
Great video but that super Mario music is extremely distracting
@EoRdE6
@EoRdE6 2 года назад
Meanwhile in the UK we've always had a wide cab, the real innovation was dual ended locomotives that have cabs on both ends...
@B52Stratofortress1
@B52Stratofortress1 2 года назад
Interestingly, if you look close at EMD's first modern safety cab, the three window "triclops" design, it is a direct copy dimensionally of CN's design just with a revised front window arrangement, and other small insignificant details altered.
@harrisonofcolorado8886
@harrisonofcolorado8886 2 года назад
*W I D E C A B*
@davidlisowski5245
@davidlisowski5245 2 года назад
0:50 That's the first colour photo I've seen of the original black numbers on the CN comfort cab.
@sean..L
@sean..L 2 года назад
I was never one for learning extremely specific details about trains but RU-vid decided I should.
@m26a1pershing7
@m26a1pershing7 2 года назад
What about the DDA-40x cabs? Didn't they predate just about anything on that list?
@mikek8089
@mikek8089 2 года назад
Nope, as they were made 2 years (1969) after the wide cabs came out.
@craigwiester9177
@craigwiester9177 2 года назад
The cabs on these locomotives are no wider than the cabs on any earlier design.
@Sleeper____1472
@Sleeper____1472 2 года назад
Actually a slight error, Thunder Cabs. These cabs are of EMD origin and worn by all SD70M-2s, along with the AC variants. It's more a sub-type of cab, considering they have a similar appearance to wide-cabs. Ironically I hate thunder cabs the most, they just look really ugly to me, which is the reason I hate most SD70 variants apart from the SD70 base and SD70M. Canadian Safety Cabs will always be my favorite, being a mix of a wide-cab and a standard-cab.
@beepbeep3000
@beepbeep3000 2 года назад
Milwaukee Road had 5 FP45 delivered in 1967. Transferred to freight service in 1971. Retired in the early 1980's.
@violetausterlitz1379
@violetausterlitz1379 2 года назад
2:28 is by the Quaker Oats plant in Cedar Rapids, IA, featuring Iowa Northern power (including a slug, which they seem to use a lot of). Not really relevant but I hardly ever recognize locations that easily.
@cedarvalleyrail8419
@cedarvalleyrail8419 2 года назад
The FP/F45's were peak EMD
@termitreter6545
@termitreter6545 2 года назад
Mand the EMC EA/EB looks amazing. Love the art deco style; shame it didnt get very far.
@MikeG42
@MikeG42 2 года назад
Good video , yes ! The wide nose safety cab design looks great but I will always love the standard cab look. Do I hear Super Mario Bros music in the background ? Thanks AmtrakGuy 😁👍
@brakemanben6772
@brakemanben6772 2 года назад
A lot of railroaders call them widebodies, or at least that is what everyone where I work calls them.
@paulkoza8652
@paulkoza8652 2 года назад
Wow, you mean to tell me that the idiot engineers who design these engines actually listened to the crews that run them? What a novel idea.
@The_Duggler25
@The_Duggler25 2 года назад
Canadian comfort cab is still by far my favorite
@JohnHill-qo3hb
@JohnHill-qo3hb 2 года назад
Short, informative, no fluff... great video... great format... hopefully other video producers follow suit. Thank you.
@cerneysmallengines
@cerneysmallengines 2 года назад
I dont get why they dont make the F style locomotives anymore, that aerodynamic look always impressed me. I get that the new locos provide rearward views that the F series did not, however I think that is a problem easily remedied with design choices behind the cab to provide better views.
@adillakandi.r
@adillakandi.r Год назад
They still, but mostly for passenger locomotive thats what F unit supposed to do
@grabasandwich
@grabasandwich 2 года назад
My dad started his career at CN around '70 I think. He was only 17 but said he was 18 😆 He couldn't wait to retire back in '08. I'm glad he's been able to enjoy retirement as many of his friends weren't so fortunate.
@wargamz9051
@wargamz9051 2 года назад
Us railroaders call them wide-bodies. Not sure why. They are nice to run in but any with desktop controls are cursed and shunned.
@davidty2006
@davidty2006 2 года назад
Probs because it's a WIDE body.
@rallymodeller
@rallymodeller 2 года назад
Since you touched on the CCC, are you going to follow up with a short on the Draper Taper full-bodies and their US counterparts?
@SnowBunneh
@SnowBunneh 2 года назад
That super mario rpg music ~💜
@cambagonia
@cambagonia 2 года назад
I like the iais diesel at the end, they look nice.
@jacobwright9557
@jacobwright9557 2 года назад
As always, a great and informative train video. Keep up the great work Amtrakguy!
@rottenroads1982
@rottenroads1982 3 месяца назад
The EMD FP45 & F45 diesels were fine Cowl Units. If only Cowl Units could be built Today. If the Alaska-Alberta Railway ever becomes a Thing, Cowl Units should be implemented because of the extreme temperatures of the Far North. Also, the EMD SD60M/SD60I, SD60MAC, SD70M/SD70I, SD70MAC, SD75M/SD75I, SD80MAC, and the SD90MAC wide cab is my personal Favorite. I would love to see a Cowl Unit diesel with that style of Cab.
@JohnsTrainVideos
@JohnsTrainVideos 2 года назад
The interesting thing about locomotive cabs is how WHY IS THE BACKGROUND MUSIC THE SUPER MARIO BROS THEME?
@The_Canadian_Railfan
@The_Canadian_Railfan 2 года назад
Hmm, they are pretty W I D E C A B
@AtomicBuffalo
@AtomicBuffalo 2 года назад
I like the illustration summarizing the evolution.
@sixpest
@sixpest 2 года назад
Man i love our modern trains they look so good.
@quirkphotoandmedia
@quirkphotoandmedia 2 года назад
We have a handful of old CN GP40-2Ws floating around Northern Colorado as part of the Great Western Railroad of Colorado fleet.
@ironphilly2366
@ironphilly2366 2 года назад
the no cab is the future
@Angel-Diaz_805
@Angel-Diaz_805 2 года назад
You should have put the Mk5000c as a reference in the Wide cab's used over time and the Norfolk southern dash8.5cw cab too
@shaneinkster4775
@shaneinkster4775 27 дней назад
Like your Nintendo music Those musics were from Super Mario RPG The Legend Of The 7 Stars
@QuintonMurdock
@QuintonMurdock 2 года назад
Ik wide cabs are better and more comfortable but I prefer the look of hoods. Hell high hoods are my favorite.
@alcopower5710
@alcopower5710 2 года назад
GP7 and GP9 👍
@NewStratfordTransportMuseum
@NewStratfordTransportMuseum 2 года назад
Nice vid! I’m British and I’ve been wondering quite a few things about American trains, and I didn’t know that there was two types of nose cones on the Locos GOOD VIDEO MATE!
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 2 года назад
I don't follow the logic of highlighting the FP45. It wasn't the first locomotive to have a full-width nose, and its primary design feature was the full-width carbody, not the nose. It didn't do a whole lot to revive the wide-nose design, since nobody other than Canadian National and the few buyers of FP45s and F45s (ATSF, GN and BN) had anything much to do with wide-cab designs until the late '80s.
@EN2YT
@EN2YT 2 года назад
Excellent video here, thoroughly researched and very informative
@caltrain910
@caltrain910 2 года назад
The First Wide cab was actually the DDA40X BTW. The FP45/F45 were standard cowl units.
@Garrett_Thompson
@Garrett_Thompson 2 года назад
The DDA40X came a year after the FP45/F45.
@uncinarynin
@uncinarynin 2 года назад
What is not mentioned here is the nose door, usually off-center to the left or right of the central headlight. Apparently making this door tall enough was the reason behind the more recent angular nose of EMD locomotives.
@DJmcRUSH
@DJmcRUSH 2 года назад
Always wished they'd just make the engines longer, and add another cab. Turning engines can go the way of dinosaurs, and running long hood lead is a crime against God.
@cris_261
@cris_261 2 года назад
British Columbia Railroad had 10 M630W locomotives.
@pfflyer3381
@pfflyer3381 2 года назад
Thanks for the carnival music, I couldn't watch without it!
@MrCableOfficial
@MrCableOfficial 9 месяцев назад
1:05 "With a reinforced nose incase of a collision" The 1986 Hinton train collision has something to say about that..
@erikziak1249
@erikziak1249 2 года назад
All those locomotives are ugly anyway. The art deco one looked great, but since then the design is awful. Regardless of the width or shape of the "nose". They are all ugly.
@WeldinMike27
@WeldinMike27 2 года назад
In Australia, our new locomotives don't have a nose, but terminate with a short stubby shelf just under the windows
@WeldinMike27
@WeldinMike27 2 года назад
Hard to tell, but it probably couldn't be worse than having a flat face to the locomotives.
@jackkendrick3668
@jackkendrick3668 2 года назад
I drive in Australia and be buggered if I'd want anything like 4 windows or and thing Infront of my can. I sit about 3 feet from the cow catcher and have a clear field of view.
@vernonsaayman9741
@vernonsaayman9741 2 года назад
And i always had this idea thay i am the only one so captivated with supercabs as to scetch everyyonñe in colour to fffive mm scale! You lllllllllleft ouut dda40 x
@coasternamegenerator5611
@coasternamegenerator5611 Год назад
Arent wide cabs and Canadian cabs the same though? Just wantend to ask because you said that Canadian cabs are still roaming the rails.
@AG7-MTM
@AG7-MTM 5 месяцев назад
It's great to see that Canada (my home country) was able to claim at least one important railroad invention - along with the so-called "ditch lights"
@thomasdeturk5142
@thomasdeturk5142 Месяц назад
Wide Cab Locomotives are what you see on class 1 mainline railroads.
@FGH9G
@FGH9G 2 года назад
Fantastic, and I love your use of footage from 'There Goes a Train' @ 0:30. That video is such a nostalgic classic that I watched over and over again on VHS back in the day.
@JordysRailVideos
@JordysRailVideos 2 года назад
The FP45 style cab was also used in Australia on the Victorian Railways C class
@Butterproductionsreal
@Butterproductionsreal Год назад
We Canadians call them “maple syrup cabs” when they are used on Canadian railroads
@Leatherface123.
@Leatherface123. 2 года назад
The Fp45 is a gem of the rails and the best looking wide cab besides the streamlined era
@Ruiluth
@Ruiluth 2 года назад
I've never liked them. I get why they were adopted but modern diesels are just so boring.
@WTC2014
@WTC2014 2 года назад
On Conrail, we call them "Wide bodies"
@ErikMatthWoodrYT
@ErikMatthWoodrYT 2 года назад
Awesome thanks for the video hope everything does well
@Benjinator12
@Benjinator12 2 года назад
Would be interesting to hear a deeper dive into hood/cab configurations and why some layouts are more popular than others in different parts of the world. For example in the US, most locomotives use single wide cabs. But in Europe most freight locomotives have a two-cab design, models like the Class 66 even convert a single-cab design into having two cabs. And that's even before we get into box cabs and steeple cabs.
@rallymodeller
@rallymodeller 2 года назад
The twin-cab design lends itself to rapid turnaround at railheads without having to use a turntable or wye and gives better visibility for the crew (at a cost of level-crossing collision protection). The Class 59/66 were not based on any existing locomotives. They share the same radial-steer trucks but use different engines and frames, and were clean sheet of paper designs built to specific British loading gauge and weight restrictions. The American manufacturers (Alco included) designed specific export units for European and other customers; even a "lightweight" American locomotive would be far too heavy for many European applications. If you want to see a really good illustration of how a European manufacturer would design an engine using American components, take a look at NOHAB's MY and MZ locos made for the Danish railways and compare them to their FA and SD40 counterparts.
@davidty2006
@davidty2006 2 года назад
@@rallymodeller The 66 is a original design. I heard the class 59 is a SD 40 with a new body slapped on.
@dieselteen0770
@dieselteen0770 2 года назад
Hey Amtrak guy!!
@robk7266
@robk7266 2 года назад
Can someone please explain the point of the nose? Are there engine components in there? It seems like they aren't needed, most diesel locomotives on in other countries have a flat front
@TheSimon253
@TheSimon253 2 года назад
Why are they so different from European design though?
@DirtyLilHobo
@DirtyLilHobo 2 года назад
Rolling men’s room!! BNSF Engr (retired )
@hoodio
@hoodio 2 года назад
psst, electric is the future, in europe we basically live in the future
@Franklinwesterngaming
@Franklinwesterngaming 4 месяца назад
Will you please make a video bout high hood locomotives
@buecomet831
@buecomet831 2 года назад
My fav wide cab is the emd fp45 since it is an underrated diesel engine and i am a bit biased since i own a mth railking one
@TheMrPeteChannel
@TheMrPeteChannel 4 месяца назад
Didn't the DDA40X have a wide cab?
@nicolasblume1046
@nicolasblume1046 2 года назад
Why do US locomotives Look so similar and also "old"?
@JustaScav
@JustaScav 2 года назад
my first thought to seeing the title was literally:are just better
@Eastmichiganfilms
@Eastmichiganfilms Год назад
Who took the video in port huron aka Saint clair tunnel
@cometomejayce6936
@cometomejayce6936 2 года назад
That’s for this little short
@eirinym
@eirinym 2 года назад
I've always wondered whether locomotive designs in North America will ever shift to flatter cab ends like you see in Europe, Australia, or many other countries. It always seemed weird to me that we're still using designs with the nose on freight locomotives.
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 2 года назад
American locomotives are generally much heavier -- about 200-220t, compared to about 100-120t for European locomotives. They need the weight for adhesion, so they may as well have a bit more stuff in front of the cab for better crash protection. In Europe, adding that extra weight would make the locomotive too heavy.
@FFred-us9tw
@FFred-us9tw 2 года назад
The noses are there for collision protection. The US crash safety standards are much more stringent than anywhere else in the world. It's why all of our High Speed trains (The current Acela and the new Acela) are never just European designs brought over here. They are heavily modified to be safer in collisions. So they are much heavier as well.
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 2 года назад
@@FFred-us9tw Are the crash safety standards really higher than elsewhere? Or is it just that your trains are heavier so you need more protection? I ask because, if you compare deaths per passenger mile for the US vs other countries, you find that you're a long, long way behind places like Japan and Germany, far behind places like the UK and France, and about on a par with places like Bulgaria.
@FFred-us9tw
@FFred-us9tw 2 года назад
@@beeble2003 The current Acela is similar to the TGV in many aspects and it shares many parts. But the power cars are much heavier due to added collision protection and the specifications of heavier steel for protection. Our current high speed electric locomotive fleet is the Eurosprinter but with added collision protection. So it is now heavier than the European version. So no, they don't have better collision protection because the trains are heavier. The heavier weight IS from the collision protection. And don't compare "Deaths per passenger mile". That is a typical cop-out to hide the true death tolls. Amtrak is a little over 50 years old. In total, we have had around 200 passengers killed in Amtrak crashes and of those 200, far less were any fault of Amtrak (Not Amtrak's fault if an outside force or host railroad makes a mistake). Meanwhile if you go back the last 50 years in Japan, China, Germany, Spain, the UK and India ALL have MUCH higher death tolls from crashes than Amtrak has had in it's 50 year history. Amtrak's worst death toll from a single event was 47. The 2nd worse was 16, then 11. In total only 5 crashes had death tolls above single digits. Meanwhile Germany, Japan and Spain had crashes in the last 25 years alone that killed over a 100 people in a single event. So please don't say the US is behind in rail safety. If it was then explain the facts i just posted.
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 2 года назад
@@FFred-us9tw Right but a train in Europe isn't going to collide with a 200-ton freight locomotive. Which is precisely the point that I raised. Deaths per passenger mile is not a cop-out _at all._ It is absolutely the right statistic to use, because it factors in the number of trains that are being run and the amount of time people are spending on them. If a million people use trains and ten die, that's probably a much safer system than one in which a thousand people use trains and one dies. If I take a train from Chicago to San Francisco, I'm obviously more likely to die than if I get off that train at Galesburg or wherever else that train stops in Illinois. The US performs well in terms of total fatalities simply because there are so few passenger trains in the US compared to any of the other countries I mentioned. There are four railway stations in the UK that each had more passengers in 2021 than the whole Amtrak network. Amtrak carries less than 100,000 passengers a day; UK trains had over a million per day in 2021, even though the UK has only about one fifth the population of the USA.
@DarkLink1996
@DarkLink1996 2 года назад
Why did you need to reupload?
@insylem
@insylem 2 года назад
Is that music from Super Mario ?
@slickninjadude9165
@slickninjadude9165 2 года назад
Good video but get rid of the Nintendo music
@rottenroads1982
@rottenroads1982 9 месяцев назад
Wide Cab + Cowl Body = What the USA Must have. Enough of the Utilitarian Gevo Body style, we want Cowl units. How about General Electric take some Gevo’s and give them cowl bodies.
@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer
@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer 4 месяца назад
Screw cowl units, I want diesel B-units, electrification of major transcontinental lines, electric A-units, and electric B-units!
@rottenroads1982
@rottenroads1982 Месяц назад
I too think Electrification is a Good Idea for Class 1’s. Besides, Electric A&B Units, along with Bio-Diesel A&B Units can help make Railroads more Clean for the environment. And there can be Cowled B Units with Cowl A units.
@TheMrPeteChannel
@TheMrPeteChannel 4 месяца назад
:30 Dale Earnhardt!
@hotrail8295
@hotrail8295 2 года назад
Nice video, but you should rename this video title as "Wide-Nose" locomotives as you correctly state at the beginning of your video. Otherwise, nice summary!
@matthewlexian8390
@matthewlexian8390 10 месяцев назад
I have a wide cab in a streamlined design
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