Wilbur’s overall response to all of this is like if someone was in the middle of doing an apology video but then said the video was sponsored by raid shadow legends
i disagree. he looks ill, not only physically but mentally too. (again, i don’t support him) but he severely needs time to get his side of the story straight before he says anything clearly. he may be also pushed out kind of to preform again even in this state because it’s not just him in the band, yk?
not defending, but i feel like we shouldn’t make fun of anyone here. i don’t support wilbur nor do i think his “actions” (if they’re proved) are right, but both stories should be shared.
Here’s my opinions: (I won’t be sharing my side on this war) -Wilbur handled this situation well, he didn’t share much info/tried to keep this situation private -THIS WHOLE THING SHOULDVE BEEN PRIVATE!! -Shelby shouldn’t be just handing out more and more *private info* -Pretty sure Wilbur had depression, but like what Shelby said, that is not an excuse -His shitty apology wasn’t an apology at all, he said it was a response -His new response is to tell people about lovejoy, not to talk about the allegations
OH MY GOD. CORRECT. Wilbur would get backlash if he said anything and it's best for this to be handled privately. Wilbur still has depression and is not okay. It's not an excuse for abuse but she has to understand he is not okay. His response deff was absolute crap but Shelby needs to actually stop sharing info about him online that isn't with the drama like his therapy life
the funny thing about the Alice girl is that Wilbur was one, living with his parents 2019 to 2022, AND he's Nosophobic. Which is the literal fear of getting sick or having your physical health decline. It was also peak COVID 💀
The fact that Shubble was at least partly responsible for Caitibuggs coming out with her accusations against Georgenotfound is pretty funny. The George/Caiti story almost completely overshadowed her claims against Wilbur, and basically made everyone forget about it almost immediately. So Shubble basically shot herself in the foot by urging Caiti to come out with her BS story of abuse at the hands of George, or more accurately, at the hand of George. Shubble did Wilbur pretty much the biggest favor possible, as her plan of vengeance against the MCYT creators failed, in no small part to her own actions. It's kinda messed up, cuz her accusations seemed like they might actually have some merit. But, she allowed her mind to become clouded with rage, and lashed out with whatever, and whoever, she could.
Wilbur drama has gone too far in my opinion. Doxxing him and his mom Leaking child explicit stuff(apparently fake) of him Death threats The fact that Shubbles fans drove some to suicide Sorry boys will probably end. Why did Wilbur have bandages always on when he was near Shubble is a new drama. I'm not taking sides. He doesn't look healthy. He looks skinny While I don't take sides, due to what happened with George and Dream, I hope me gets healthy. And as soon as he comes back she attacks him. Some say he may have not been comfortable with her, they say it was a forced smile and he always leaned away from her.
Did shubble know the claims about George were pretty weak? You make it out like she was a villain for encouraging other abuse victims to talk about their stories. Catie could have easily lied to shubble or hid info.
Caiti said she was inspired to come out with her story after hearing Shubble's story. Shubble did not directly tell Caiti to come out with her story, she shared her story to hopefully help others recognize toxic abusive relationships. It doesn't seem like Shubble came out with her story for attention and fame, it seems like she did so because she genuinely wants to help other women in her community. Shubble doesn't seem like the type of person to care whether someone else overshadows her story, because that was never the point. On the other hand, it's hard for me to tell whether Cati came out with her story maliciously or not. She's 18, so yes while she's a legal adult lets not pretend like she has the thought process and mental maturity of a 30 year old. It sounds like she's just extremely naive, doesn't have much experience with relationships, and her other friends convinced her that her regretful negative feelings about her interaction with George was SA.
I’ve despised everyone involved with this entire situation, since the very beginning. Wilbur for the worm behavior and lack of a spine, Shubble for everything already stated in previous streams plus her constant begging for attention, and Aimsey… for obvious reasons.
Personally it spontaneously drives me up the wall and also makes me cackle from the sheer irony, but the fact that she keeps INSISTING that she’s doing this to “save other victims” and that she’s “not doing this for herself” as she literally talks about no one but herself and her own “abuse.” Shovel, sweetheart.. Just ‘cause you _said_ you’re doing it for other people doesn’t mean you _are._ Like if I were a victim I’d be rolling in my ducking grave because of this woman.
wilbur is a genius to respond in this way... not bringing anything up. he's responded and that's all there is to it. he's getting back to his work and doesn't give a fuck about the drama. talking more about the drama would only make things worse for him, back and forth is the last thing any cc needs in this situation
Why should he talk about it anymore? No matter what he says or doesn't say, apparently, he will get lambasted. btw, he said "that's all I have to say on the matter, for now". She obviously will never forgive him and that's her right but its relationship drama that none of us should even know a thing about. They both need to move on with their lives and careers. This internet drama is annoying af, tbh.
real. nobody will accept anything because they’re all tied to a certain side. i wish ppl would mature and also believe there could be more than one side of the story
Yeah cuz when you keep responding, it brings it back to the surface over n over. Whether he bit too hard or not, that’s personal shit they should’ve settle amongst themselves. Just because someone was a bad boyfriend, doesn’t mean everyone needs to know. Maybe his girlfriends would wanna know but that’s something to talk to them about, not thousands on the internet unless he’s hooking up with fans or going after minors. She has every right to vent as well, but Twitter isn’t your diary and viewers aren’t your therapists, friends, or family. Vent in those ways, not online.
@@KATinBLACK Shubble says in her initial stream that she is sharing her story to help other women in her community who are in similar positions to be able to recognize their situations as ab*se, since for the longest time Shubble herself wasn't able to recognize it in her relationship since biting isn't what you'd typically think of as ab*se. She did not share his name because the point of her stream wasn't to take him down, it was to warn other women in her community about warning signs of ab*sive relationships and to show how it's not always so straightforward as p u n c h i n g and h i t t i n g. But people were able to figure out who she was talking about because she is a famous content creator with hundreds of thousands of followers and many of her past relationships have been public and also with other famous content creators. Nothing she could really do about that, and she doesn't owe him any protection anyway. The point is that her stream wasn't meant to focus on him and how bad of a person he is, it was about Shubble sharing her experience as a way to help others get out of/ not get into bad relationships.
@@claireelizabeth9431 I understand where you’re coming from mostly. It still doesn’t make sense to me how some of the other parts like the infamous “ant infestation allegations” were relevant to that particular goal. I can only imagine she was in the moment and probably decided to vent some but that ended up muddying her message a bit from trying to bring awareness to different from of abuse to venting about an ex or worse she was trying to earn sympathy. We’re all human, we get in our feels, there is no perfect victim, we all make mistakes etc etc but I still believe this advice is warranted for anyone in her position in the future: stick to the main topic, try to organize your thoughts, and of course be consistent (which she hasn’t done in some regards). I believe her, but she makes it hard when she readdresses this months later saying, “I consented to being bit, I did not consent to being hurt”. Now before you say that is a sensible statement, let me explain this: if you consent to biteplay, you are consenting to be hurt (to an extent). People on the receiving end of such play usually do get hurt (to an extent) but the pain is oddly pleasurable. Everyone has their limits though to what extent that pain is no longer pleasurable and is only painful. That’s what saying stop or using a safe word is for. I’m not saying Wilbur didn’t push her limit and ignore her safe words, because I believe her. I’m just saying, such contradictory phrasing is not helping her case. A better way to say it would’ve been, “I consented to being bit, but he ignored my safe word and went hard than my limit”. Which is kinda what she said the first time. I don’t know why she didn’t repeat it like that this time. That inconsistency makes it hard to believe her. If she re-readdresses this again, I hope she keeps that in mind because that is a big part of people criticizing her. OR, she can leave it be. There will always be those who believe you, those who don’t, and those who don’t care. I don’t think she needs to keep appealing to the latter two. Just move on with life and everyone else will too
@@KATinBLACK Her initial stream was her talking to her audience (mainly women). Again her goal was to help women in her community be able to recognize uncommon signs of an ab*sive relationship. She was talking to her audience, not to Wilbur's audience nor anyone else, thus probably why she streamed it and talked on the fly rather than making a video and writing a script. She wanted to form a personal connection with her audience and speak candidly to them about her experience and urge them to see the warning signs that she missed, it wasn't meant to be a takedown nor accusation. Of course there was emotion and venting, how could you not have that when speaking about a bad past relationship? She was sharing her story, she can talk about whatever she wants. Personally I don't see the ant thing as irrelevant, to me having a dirty house isn't on its own evidence of ab*se but that combined with many other things shows how he's not someone who prioritizes relationships. It doesn't matter though, Shubble thought it was relevant and she was sharing her own personal experience, she was not trying to make a takedown video of him. As for the consent to biting doesn't mean consent to hurting thing, I don't see how she's wrong. You are assuming that the sole purpose of biting for everyone is pain, but Shubble said in her stream that for her it was an affectionate thing. At the beginning of their relationship, he would lightly bite her out of affection. He progressively started doing it harder and harder. Anyway what matters is that he bit her, she screamed their safe word, and he ignored her and kept doing it even harder with a smile. Repeatedly. That is not ok.
Man idfk what to think, I’m an old fan of Wilbur but when the allegations first came out I didn’t know weather to believe or non believe if what was being said was in fact true. Shubble seems a little off in general and Wilbur…. Could definitely do more to defend himself and the fact that he isn’t makes him look a little more suspicious. Wilbur bro if you have the text messages to prove your own innocence then fuck Shubbles feelings and defend yourself.
I think you’re correct about him not defending himself being one of the dumbest decisions he can make. However im personally more suspicius about Shubble not showing their messaging history than Wil. Cause she claims that the messages Wilbur said proved his innocence did not exist. So if that was true all she would need in order to completely burry any kind of credibility Wilbur has is to just show their dms to prove their not there. So the fact that she just doesn’t is really odd. The only reason i can come up with is that they both look awful in those dms cause otherwise i can’t explain it.
i feel as if this whole situation is useless and should’ve been dealt with outside. i believe partially that shubble opened up online ab this out of vengeance. again, wilbur also has his shady sides and idk who to support either. but there’s more than just a couple of voices, and more then just the victims side.
@@melaniemartinezposts Fair. Whats really discusting to me personally is when Shubble says things like “she is trying to warn the women who would be hurt by Wilbur in the future”, and how she thinks Wilbur is “still dangerous to woman”. Well in that case why not sue him? What? You only defend his future victims until you reach the entrence to the courthouse? Keep in mind all victims of SA out there. Shubble is your strongest soldier until she actually has to do something. I can’t imagine believeing that someone is an abuser (who commited assault and potentially rape), having millions of people watching me, having hundreds of thousands - millions of dollars based on add revanue and viewers alone, thinking that i have the proof, and NOT trying to do something about it legally. Cause Twitter ratios have been famously known to stop rape. This why i personally won’t be supporting Shubble even if i do end up condemning Wilbur. The only way i would support Shubble is if it turns out that she was threatened into not going to the courts but thats unlikely.
@@cherechesalexdaniel811 that’s what i’m sayingggg. if she were to really want this situation to be handled right it should’ve been brought to court if it were the case. that’s why i believe there has to be more than what she’s saying
@@melaniemartinezposts Well of course there is more than what she’s saying. She at the vary least heavily exadurates (and thats being nice) for example when she claimed that her arms and legs were “covered in bruises and bite marks” when to my knowledge no bite marks are visible on any of the pictures she took of herself during that period (on pictures where arms and legs are visible).
I feel like wilbur could have a chance of coming back if he would respond more properly. Bcz to be fair, if you think abt it shelby didnt give any proof. Plus she accused her past bfs of abusing her too and im pretty sure those claims were false? If im wring then sorry. This is just what i've been seeing
i don’t blame his responses because of one thing: how ill he is. if i were in the situation and had more than just what was said and saw the whole community believing the person who only told an outstretched or half the story, id be going down a rabbit hole unsure of coming back. can’t imagine what both are going through rn bc i can see shelby’s side too.
@@melaniemartinezposts I mean yeah but the thing is that shelby was like "I consented to the biting" "but I dont consent to him hurting me". Which in general already sounds confusing bcz biting hurts automatically. And that twitter just thought it was wilbur out of nowhere and shelby didnt mention wilbur in the firat place
I think when people said anything about depression they meant about the part where Shubble said Wilbur would not clean after himself but Shubble is making it seem like people are talking about the biting can be excused because of depression as if she never mentioned all the other things about Wilbur's personal life. Strange.
okay. i want to adress something EVERYONE is saying here on the comments. read below 👇 1. yes, everyone can have opinions and choices on whom they believe or whom they don’t. but is it really worth all this hate? the internet is what is making this whole situation worse. these things wouldn’t be near as bad if people didn’t drag it on. fans and non fans are sending death threats to each other and not just the victims of the situation. if it weren’t for all the hate maybe the situation would be MUCH FASTER than this. 2. everyone’s the victim here until proven guilty. shubble is a victim due to her allegations at wilbur, and wilbur is a victim having there allegations thrown at him. not only that but both are victims still to the internet with all the hate both are getting. 3. wilbur ALSO needs time to open up. if what shubbles words were true, and she was finally healed enough to open up about it now, wilbur has the same opportunities and rights to have time as well. shubble isn’t completely innocent. wilbur isn’t completely innocent. both have wrongdoings but both are innocent until proven guilty PROVEN guilty. so for those who are wanting him to stop being “shitty” and respond now, give him time. you don’t see how ill he is. 4. nobody should get hate until they’re proved guilty. i hate how people are switching sides and jumping to conclusions . both beings here are human too. even through all their flaws and mistakes. ~ thank you for reading this if you have. and i’m sorry for the anger, it just upsets me how the internet is acting. i don’t support neither wilbur or shubble and i won’t until one’s proven their word. hopefully you understand. have a nice day! ~
I 90% agree with this. This shouldn't have been publicly known. And everyone needs to cool it with the hate. Not only do we not have evidence, but it also has nothing to do with us. None of us are the judge, jury, or executioner. However, people shouldn't instantly believe anyone who cries "Abuse!", without real evidence. It's a damaging behavior on society. Argument isn't a bad behavior, but lately, nobody can argue without insults and hate. When I argue, I try to reach a resolution, and I state points and argue against their's. I defend Wilbur, not for his sake. But because some people still believe he admitted to abuse, which means they couldn't bother to read his entire response. I defend facts, and when there's proof he did something, I'll stop.
There’s literally the most wild, repulsive crimes being committed in the world right now and people are flipping their shit over some guy who allegedly got too rough. What on Earth lol People are dying, but no screw Wilbur because a couple women accused him of things with zero evidence.
You could apply the exact same sentiment to literally every other situation that this guy makes videos about lmao. No matter what happens to you, there will always bigger problems in the world. The point of Shubble's initial stream wasn't to talk about him and ruin his career, (hence why she didn't share his name), it was to share her experience to help other women be able to recognize signs of an ab*sive relationship since biting isn't typically what most people would think of as physical ab*se. I think the fact that ALL of their mutual friends corroborate her story plus the fact that he didn't even try to defend himself are proof enough, but again her initial stream wasn't meant to be a takedown of him, it was meant to help other women in similar situations.
@@claireelizabeth9431which is why she supported the people telling Wilbur to type /kill@wilbur or why she is still talking about this only to make herself feel better or why she blocks anyone who asks for evidence
@@Luciferthekingofpurgitory I haven't seen any examples of that and I have a very hard time believing that she would knowingly encourage and support anyone to say things like that. Perhaps she supported people without knowing that they said those things? I am not a regular viewer of hers but I have watched a lot of her content and streams throughout the years and she speaks a lot about mental health and is probably just about the least problematic and most wholesome internet personality that I know of. She never starts drama. If you cannot fathom why a victim of ab*se doesn't want to spend her time constantly showing proof of her ab*se to random men on the internet who clearly don't care and are only looking to discredit her, then you simply cannot be helped. Shubble did not make her stream to prove to y'all that Wilbur is an ab*sive person, she made her stream to share her story in attempt to help the women in her community better be able to recognize uncommon signs of an ab*sive relationship.
We dont feel Shelby's emotions or know her memories and recollections of her story. So at the end of the day we don't know whether or not her recollection is truly what happened. But other girls have said hes bitten them as well (Niki, before all of this) so it's definitely true but its unclear whether it was abuse or not butttttttttt Wilbur's friends going against himi makes me believe it is If it isn't really abuse, he is a weird guy and maybe a shitty person in a relationship at worst. And it shouldn't affect his career, just his future relationships.
I used to give Shubble the benefit of the doubt. But I do not think that is really the case anymore. Of course I always believed Wilbur was innocent. I just thought it was a misunderstanding. But really now, I believe Shubble is a piece of shit.
Ugh! Both of them are garbage at this point Wilbur has been giving such awful responses and Shubble has to add in all this other venting BS and say conflicting things Look, best way to phrase it is: Shubble agreed to bite play, but Wilbur bit harder than she wanted and wouldn’t ease up/stop when she tapped out. I don’t know if you wanna call that abuse or pushing boundaries in the bedroom, but she won’t do such a simple thing. Neither of em will. They’re making it so complicated! And when she says, “bite play isn’t about hurting someone” yes it is. Some people like the pain or reveling in the marks left after. The better way to say it is, “I enjoy a little bit of pain, but once it hits a limit, I want to tap out”. People would somewhat understand that whether they’re into any BDSM or not, but she won’t cuz it’ll make her look more like a degenerate but at the same time like a weakling. Shubble wouldn’t have survived the glomping era
honestly if the band comes to tour around the usa again im buying tickets, he bit someone, boohoo🤷♀ me and my friends bite eachother but yeah we're soooo abusive lmfao. she tweeted back in 2021 how she bruised easily soo
Also you can share your story but you absolutely need to change enough that people can't peice it together that easily. You need to reveal nothing, like how she said " my last boyfriend" If you didn't go to police you forfeit that right. Not defending Wilbur. Also she wants him to apologize yet wants nothing to do with her again. God I hate her.
Shubble is a very famous content creator, and all of her recent relationships have been very public with other very famous content creators. She specifically wanted to share about the biting because she wanted other women to know that a relationship can still be physically ab*sive even if it doesn't have p u n c h i n g and h i t t i n g in it. Shubble herself for the longest time didn't recognize that the biting was ab*sive because that's just not what comes to mind when most people think of physical ab*se. It is public knowledge that Wilbur is known to bite, and that she and Wilbur used to date. There is not much she can do about that, she owes him nothing, and she decided not to share his name because she didn't want to focus to be on him, she wanted the focus to be on recognizing signs of ab*se because she wanted to help others. By sharing about the biting, people were able to figure out who she was talking about. But her message is more important than protecting him.
@@claireelizabeth9431how can you consent to someone doing something and keep consenting for the entire relationship ( it was to my understanding from the numeral conversations and text we had the biting was consensual playful and mutually enjoyed-Wilbur) (I never took away consent but I consented to biting not being hurt-Shelby) then after call it abuse
@@Luciferthekingofpurgitory Again, she screamed their safe word multiple times when he was biting too hard, yet he smiled and bit down even harder. If that is your idea of "consent", you need to be locked up because you are a danger to society.
@@claireelizabeth9431 where the hell are you getting that your own mind? Shelby literally said “ I gave him consent to bite me I never revoked consent “ that right there is her saying the safeword either never existed or was never used furthermore there’s no proof the safeword did exist why are you treating Shelby’s word as law and ignoring Wilbur’s “ it was to my understanding from our multiple conversations the biting was consensual” if you consent to it and you don’t revoke consent you can’t call that abuse
He came out with literally the most autistic response ever. He's acting like he has no idea what's happening right now and it's just a little controversy or smth
Talking about the George situation, saying how Sapnap and Dream jumped on instantly when yr kinda doing the same?? Where's her bruises? Wheres her evidence of the abuse? Why is it that she was FLIRTING with a 24 year old Wilbur while she was a 27 year old woman with a BOYFRIEND? why is it that shes accused Parker and Speedy, two ex boyfriends, of the same thing? Why is it that shes now only making these allegations when her channel is dying? Why is it that she had said 'she doesnt have enough money'. She damn well does. She has enough to get plane tickets, go to Canada, buy clothes and sue her car company. But not the man that 'abused' her?? Oh, and, Wilbur didnt admit to abuse. He admitted to consensual biting and that he was slobbish and selfish. And let me ask you all Sh3lby fans (im censoring her name so im actually comfortable), why are you believing her w/o any proof or evidence? The meat mountain video from Jack. In that intro thing, you can see her legs. No bruises. In her posts, you can see no bruises. She described the bruises as the ones you cannot hide with makeup. And even if there is makeup, you can see makeup textures. Look through her photos in short sleeves, dresses, skirts, swim suits ect. There was nothing there. Compared to Wilbur himself, he had bruises and marks on him. A lot of people have mentioned that in Amazon Standing Lamp, the yelling at the end. Comparing Sh3lby's voice to the song, it sounds close. Plus, if Wilbur was a literal abuser why is Lovejoy still with him? On tour of most things. Wilbur is mentally ill, and not okay. He looked sick in the coming back video. Its not normal. Hes not okay, but SSS keep sending WSS and Wilbur himself a lot of things. Theyve doxxed him, threatened him. Its horrible. Im not sure if its true or not, or who did it, but apparently someone posted n3de pictures of Wilbur as a minor. Sh3lby herself made a comment about depression. It was disgusting what she said. But a lot of people have pointed out on how she did this when her channel was dying, which is true. I think there is a few of the streamers out there which havent spoken up on anything. It means two things; theyll respond soon, or they know something we dont. The Bilzo situation too. Its fucking disgusting. Wilbur didnt find it funny. He didnt want to be handcuffed, but Bilzo found it too funny to not listen. He even put it on the tightest setting, and Wilbur didnt like it. He asked for it to get off, but he didnt care. Wilbur had to SCREAM to get it off. The fact that Bilzo actually threw the key as far as he could is literally horrible. Wilbur had a reason to kick him, god. He has anxiety, he was stressing over this and Bilzo thought it was funny? Bilzo ran up to him, tightened it and expected for it not to happen? Wilbur had to SNAP. He even felt sorry. Im glad Freddie was there, tbh. It was disgusting.. This entire comment is just showing my concern that people trusted Sh3lby without any evidence. Yet, Wilbur (who hasnt even said anything) has so much more evidence. But people believe the woman more because men usually dont get abused. But it happens both ways. Its disgusting how theyre believing a woman with no evidence.
Is there any thread documenting this evidence so I can see photos and stuff? I'm actually intrigued to give this a listen after hearing about Shubble's awful behavior
Just to educate not to be an ass but i feel like her footing the bill for stuff like nessesities and plane tickets is to either show she tried to be a good partner and tried to financially supportive. I've been in a similar situation in my last relationship where he was neglectful emotionally and i had to plan and pay for all the dates, including meals (i usually want to split them or i pay for one meal and the other pays for another but I was paying for a lot of stuff) I just want to clarify that I think her venting about it can be venting and expressing that she cared and that care was taken advantage of
im halfway thru the video rn but whoever ur on call with bro has no respect for victims at all. Your perspective, Luhrix, is fair and you even say "you went a bit too hard on shubble" when the allegations came out which I really respected you for because I think you did. At the end of the day we dont know whats right and whats wrong due to no evidence (which is so dumb LMAO) but the guy in call randomly coming out saying stupid shit about shubble like the "slip n slide" and mason jar comment made me not want to take any opinions in this video seriously bc it was just uncalled for and childish loll. i advise u get some more mature people with you in videos to match ur temperment bc this guy ruined it for me :/ i love your vids dude but just felt upset to have random mysogynistic comments blurted out by a guy idgaf about
and ik half ur audience is probs male so they dont care about this stuff but as a female viewer who shares alot of the same views as you, it just kinda ruins it a bit sometimes.
Not really, but we’ve gone from believing all women who know what happened to believing all women who think something might’ve happened He would’ve been better off not acknowledging any of it. There is no easy way to debunk these claims.
He admitted to it, didn't even attempt to defend himself, and all of their mutual friends corroborated what she said. Regardless, her initial stream wasn't meant to be a takedown with receipts. She didn't share his name because focusing on him and ruining his career wasn't the point, the point was to help other women in her community recognize signs of ab*se, since Shubble herself didn't realize for the longest time that biting is a form of ab*se.
@@spouwnerring I hate the internet culture we live in where people think they're owed a response and cry like man children until they finally force a video out of the accused due to what's essentially a witch hunt. And you're telling me a person is an "idiot" because they don't want to participate in a witch hunt by millions of mentally ill internet delinquents who don't even understand who Wilbur is as a person? My question is how come Shubble supported Caitibugzz, a known liar who went after GeorgeNotFound out of malice? If Shubble is supporting a confirmed liar, that makes her claim as a person highly suspicious. Furthermore, where is the evidence? If these allegations are real, why did she not go to the police, why did she not press charges if this is truly real? False accusers can't take their allegations to court because they have no case to begin with, making this even more suspicious. Believing people without evidence is not only illogical, it is also flat out irresponsible and dangerous. If we participate in witch hunts, we're no better than Wilbur (Only if he is guilty. If he's innocent then we're not mildly worse, we're WAY worse than him). Ngl I'm leaning on Wilbur's side right now. Not only is there a complete lack of evidence presented by Shubble with no charges pressed, but she actively supported a liar and a witch hunter. (going to repost this in the main comment section for more engagement)
YALL DONT SEE HE ALSO NEEDS TIME. he COULD also be a victim. i’m not supporting either until proven guilty but don’t you guys see how ill he is? drastic change for it being 4 months.
Shubble said in her initial stream that the point of it was not to accuse someone of ab*se and ruin their career, (hence why she didn't share his name), it was to share her story in the hopes that other women in her community experiencing similar things would be able to recognize it as ab*se and get out, since for a long time Shubble herself didn't recognize it in her relationship because biting isn't typically what people would consider as physical ab*se. Her talking about his messiness and him always making her pay to spend time together was her sharing her story and giving full context, because these were both red flags that he was a bad partner that she was only able to recognize in hindsight.
Everyone in this situation are terrible they all haven't shown any proof they could have talked this to Wilbur in private and not on the internet i don't believe neither anyone in this situation this is exactly why nobody shouldn't belive allegations until both sides shows proof.
someone who came out but no one really believes her. at least from what i saw, i don’t find it believable either. pretty sure the girl’s name is alice.
Did you Completely, Forget?.- THAT, WSS exist's Since.. The Whole Entire Squad is Going to Go Over There??.- ( & I'm Pretty Sure, People..Are Still Going to Go There, Anyway's. 'Cause a Tour Can't be a Tour without the Audience..Or so.- ) (( Plus... Sh3lby is currently, Digging Up her own Grave. & Her Gaslighting, To STILL??.- manipulating Her Viewer's, With..a Now?.- Slightly inconstant Story, - Sh3lby Being Obviously..Narcissistic, Her Story is Still..Messy, Ass Hell..- imo. ))
@@Kittenbiscuits216 Something That Might Happen, 'Cause Y'know.- Shubblesupportsquad..is Still a Absolutely TOXIC Bilnd Mess. literally, (( & also.- I'm Pretty Sure, that Support Squad { / SSS the Toxic Part } is Going to Crumble. at Any time Or so..- ))
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I don't think he's protecting her, I think he's bluffing, trying to come off like her cares about her feelings and that's why he's not defending himself, when really he just has no defense because what Shubble said is true.
He’s not protecting her he’s protecting himself it’s a game of chess they are going back and fourth Wilbur allowed Shelby to take his queen so that he was in a spot to take the king later on Wilbur is surprisingly smart why do you think he took so damn long to come back he was planning setting up preparing for the checkmate while Shelby has been rushing the board trying to take every piece but she’s only taken the queen
@@Luciferthekingofpurgitory If he wanted to protect himself he would debunk everything she said just like George did. Instead he basically just admitted that what she said is true and then left the internet. If what she said wasn't true, then what he's doing is just about the worst way of protecting himself. Shubble did not do this to take down Wilbur. Her initial stream was not meant to focus on him (hence why she didn't mention his name), it was meant to warn her mainly female audience about uncommon warning signs of ab*se. Now she is just defending herself from the masses of people who don't understand anything about the situation because her stream was not meant for them, nor was it meant to be about Wilbur.
I feel like there's times when people end up requesting behaviors from other people that are entirely unrealistic, and straight up unfair. I am, of course, talking about people in the live chat saying, about Shubble/Shelby, "Get to the point already". I don't know if people realize this or not, but she is a woman, and therefore utterly incapable of just getting to the point. Asking a woman to cut to the chase and get to the point is like telling someone "Dude, just jump to the moon already", which is similarly impossible. Okay, now I'll finish up by pointing out that it's not all women this applies to, just almost all of them. Rest assured, woman reading this, you're one of the exceptions, as you are special and different, so please don't worry, as this doesn't apply to you.
Exactly. She wasn't speaking to you brain rotted i n c e l s with the attention span of goldfishes, she was speaking to the women in her own community. And the point wasn't about Wilbur (hence why she didn't share his name), the point was to help other women in her community recognize and get out of bad relationships. But I guess it's unfair for me to assume that y'all have even the most basic level of comprehension skills, y'all just see a woman and go ooga booga.
I mean come on, at the end of the day y’all COULD just ignore it and he wouldn’t get views or attention. But nobody’s smart enough for that apparently 😅
Lerix, of all people, is repeating sketchy allegations from that Alice girl? And claiming he could easily debunk it? “That’s not what happened” doesn’t have any meaning if no one else was in the room, so what is going to debunk it?
It's possible she didn't go into detail because she said she doesn't remember, but him not chiming in makes me think the worst, not assume the best.. he easily could've disclosed that they were both drinking and she declined his advances, but him never weighing in on his perspective even after all this time is concerning
“Throughout the relationship, I understood from our numerous conversations and text message exchanges on the subject, that this behavior was consensual, playful and reciprocally enjoyed.” What part of that is an admission. Tell me.
I think it was cut from this clip, but he laughed and said that Wilbur's response was 'awesome' when he first saw it lol Lerix is just being careful/optics cucked 💀
there’s more going on than just shubbles side. he admitted to the play biting and dirtiness and apologized for those asides from admitting about the abuse. he had a side too. (i’m not supporting anyone until proven guilty).
