Wilbur Turner - Two-by-Two Survivor

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Today’s guest is Wilbur Turner (he/him), visionary founder and president of Advocacy Canada. He is located on the unceded ancestral lands of the Syilx people in Kelowna, BC, Canada.
A well-regarded speaker and workshop facilitator, Wilbur utilizes personal stories and humour to engage, educate, and uplift audiences. Wilbur is well known for his advocacy work for the 2SLGBTQIA+ community.
Today, Wilbur will also be sharing about his experiences growing up in a secretive sect recently gaining notoriety as The Two-by-Twos, who have also been called the No Name Church, The Friends, Cooneyites, and The Truth.
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@iw9338 9 дней назад

Excellent thanks very much 😅

@kewleo2 Месяц назад

The more we tell our stories the more the healing continues. Thanks for having me on your podcast Janice.

@tristanphipps2458 Месяц назад

As a 2x2 Survivor also, I appreciate you ❤ sending love all the way from New Zealand

@ComeToCORT Месяц назад

Thank you for being my guest, Wilbur! Your story is powerful, just like you.

@exvangelicarol5336 2 месяца назад

The agony of the damage that religion does to our closest relationships!💔😭🤬 So much unnecessary pain. Thanks to both Wilbur and Janice for helping so many of us to heal our hearts and find a healthy new path!🥰🦋

@ComeToCORT 2 месяца назад

Thanks for watching and taking the time to encourage us, Carol.

@thememorytraveler4978 15 дней назад

I grew up in this fellowship…sect. It’s interesting to hear how it was processed with each individual. The exclusivity is one of the points that never made sense to me. It’s maddening that hairstyles were quickly condemned, however, p*dophilia or r*pe, was swept under the carpet. So many secrets. Worker worship is real! Yipes! Fear & guilt, instead of love.

@thememorytraveler4978 15 дней назад

I wonder if some people twisted a well meaning institution. One thing for sure, the last few years has been a mind twist.

@thememorytraveler4978 14 дней назад

What a pain filled life experience. Being accepted and having emotional support is so key. I have a murderous dad and growing up in this church as a young child ‘different’ in this church was very a mental twist.

@ComeToCORT 12 дней назад

@@thememorytraveler4978 No one joins a cult - they join a community, a good thing, or a chance to change/save the world. While trauma is subjective, being born or raised in a high-demand group can leave significant scars. Thanks for watching and sharing your insights.

@alphatango66 19 дней назад

Thank you for sharing this podcast. It’s interesting how the “truth” which has tried to stay under the radar for its entirety, is now openly exposed for their abuses and extortion. I grew up in this cult-like group, and I can attest to its psychological cruelty. Growing up in the grift gave me the worst case of Stockholm Syndrome one can image. In reality, it’s no different than being in an abusive relationship- yet the workers were so well honed in their craft, they could get you to go against your own intuition. The older I got, the more my body rejected the idea of attending meetings- long before my mind did. It reminds me of Gabor Mate’, “when the body says No”. I’m glad for you both for helping to shed light on this group. Fortunately, I got the help I needed after I left- it just took a long time to heal. Blessings!

@ComeToCORT 17 дней назад

Glad you got out and got help. Thanks for watching.

@tulpas93 2 месяца назад

Thank you both so much for who you are and the work you do! ❤❤

@ComeToCORT 2 месяца назад

Thank you for watching and taking the time to encourage us!

@rationalist8805 2 месяца назад

@22:29 your aunt found love and the church cudgeled it away. What a truly heartbreaking story. Religions can be so cruel.

@ComeToCORT Месяц назад

Yes, religions can be very cruel. Thanks for watching.

@rationalist8805 2 месяца назад

@17:24 your deep dive in the encyclopedia reminds me of Richard Feynman, genius physicist and contributor to the A-bomb. When a magazine like popular science would arrive he would deep dive from cover to cover, absorbing everything he could. That area of NY produced many scientists. So glad you found something to show you the outside world.

@ComeToCORT 2 месяца назад

Agreed! Thanks for watching.

@user-pw3hz4jn4t 14 дней назад

I loved the doggie. I am in California and my family is from Kelowna, Vernon and new BrunSwick

@ComeToCORT 12 дней назад

Nice! The Okanagan is a beautiful place. I hope to visit New Brunswick one day.

@irishflutegirl9022 14 дней назад

Absolutely heartbreaking ❤️‍🩹

@ComeToCORT 12 дней назад

Yes, I agree. It's amazing what Wilbur has done since those days! Thanks for watching.

@carmenanderson2303 Месяц назад

One thousand cases… actually one thousand perpetrators. Many many more victims.

@ComeToCORT Месяц назад

Sadly true.

@williamdavies1890 Месяц назад

They don't call them ministers. Why does he keep saying ministers? they call them WORKERS. They are odd...Girls are intimidated on purpose. They made me very shy because of the way I had to dress

@ComeToCORT Месяц назад

Referring to them as ministers helps nonmembers get a feel for the authority the (male) workers hold, I think.

@Kevinms0304 13 дней назад

I was going to watch but using pronouns I'm out

@PearlHandle 24 дня назад

What was the name of the hymnal you used? And did you use a Schofield Reference Bible?

@thememorytraveler4978 12 дней назад

@@PearlHandle Hymns Old and New. Many tunes are very old. Some wording has been changed.

@PearlHandle 12 дней назад

@@thememorytraveler4978 I grew up in a Gospel Hall and there were similarities that reminded of that. The Scofield was the approved Bible and the Believers Hymn Book was one of the song books used. No scores, just verses and named hymn tunes.

@thememorytraveler4978 12 дней назад

@@PearlHandle I’m intrigued with the Schofield Bible. Do you still go? I collect hymnals. I’ll see if I have a copy of the Believers Hymn Book. I don’t think so, though.

@PearlHandle 12 дней назад

@@thememorytraveler4978 Haven't gone in many years. Lots of great people there, but found the emphasis on the literal inerrancy of the Bible, as well as the isolation from the "world" to be disturbing. John Nelson Darby, an Irishman, is generally considered to be the founding force behind the movement. He felt that icons, instrumental music and other trappings detracted from worship. I think the Schofield Bible was preferred because Schofield represented the accepted theology, which was reflected in his commentary and emphases. Somewhere I still have my leather bound hymn book with onion skin pages. It is just the right size to slip into an inside pocket of your suit coat. The practice was for someone (a man) to stand and announce a hymn and its number, then sing the first line, whereupon the rest of the assembly would join in. I did have an app for my phone of the BHB, but deleted it because it didn't work well. I'll attach a link that has songs from the hymnal being sung by an assembly. m.ru-vid.com/group/PLuSfOvAve1XT22EPt7PA6ykEnsKJnTKeJ

@PearlHandle 12 дней назад

It looks like there might be copies available on eBay, et al

@rationalist8805 2 месяца назад

@3:50 two men with NOTHING showed up and convinced their congregation to give them MANY SOMETHINGS - $$$$ - Joel Osteen style.. Even if they were sincere they still sow "othering" to convince their congregation what is best for them. You know they were good people, proven by @6:40 and @9:44 and @13:18.and @16:40.

@williamdavies1890 Месяц назад

Do you remember Ruben Mata, Wilbur?