0 so many people are missing the bars and metaphors and then going “stormzy killed him” but they’re not catching what Wiley is saying.. he’s rhyming is different more layered
George has an ear! The way he summed up how he felt about the grime sound sounding outdated but remaining respectful by recognising Wiley staying true to the art form was so accurate. Impressive for someone not from the UK
Grime is good music to bounce along to, I listen some Mozart, Beethoven & Saint Seans, it's old but it's good shit, trust me the new shiny object ain't always the best ask my mate and the Child Support Agency
Wiley did nothing for his mum 😂😂 he’s implying that Stormzy’s success wouldn’t be there without him.. and his his mum benefitting from it. Nothing more fellas.. 👍🏽
Heres a little background on why the diss tracks happened, (theres much more) Stormzy made the song ''Wiley Flow'' to pay homage to Wiley for what he did for the UK scene. (Alot of the new up and coming rappers don't rate Wiley, and Wiley is bitter about it.) Wiley didnt appreciate the track and thinks Stormzy sold out the scene and did too many commercial songs with people like Ed Sheeran, who Wiley thinks is a culture vulture. Wiley kept dissing Stormzy on twitter and Stormzy tried to keep it civil but in the end had enough of the twitter talk. Wiley then drops a diss track called ''Wiley - Eediyat Skengman (Stormzy Send)'' Stormzy drops ''Stormzy - Dissapointed'' a day later in response. Wiley drops diss track 2 called ''Wiley - Eediyat Skengman 2'' Stormzy drops diss 2 ''Stormzy - Still Dissapointed'' within 24 hours, while on a press tour of the UK. (MAD) Wiley currently working on his 24hour reply
Brew & Biscuits Literally not mentioning anything about the dot beef with Jaykae and Wiley. What is wrong with you. Are you even a part of this culture?
For me the mum line is based on the fact that Wiley created grime and Stormzy has now become rich from what he has created - Stormzy has talked about the fact his dad has done nothing for him, but his godfather (Wiley) has given him a form of music that can provide for the fam - respect the OG, cos no one will care for you if it weren't for me - 'all I gave you was a style for you to run with'
Never heard of this guy or subgenre before but damn is this song good. I love this urgent dirty electronic beat and his vocal flow. EDIT: Thanks for the suggestions, I really enjoyed the Wiley tracks you all mentioned and am currently listening to Godfather. I'll be sure to expand to some of the other artists in the near future!
Grime is a genre of electronic dance music that emerged in London in the early 2000s. It developed out of earlier UK electronic music styles, including UK garage and jungle, and draws influence from dancehall, ragga, and hip hop.
The bars are personal but I think it’s important to know that grime clashes are generally like this lol UK culture we don’t mix words it’s all about being rude af
Skengman basically means gunman. And wicked Skengman was the name of a few stormzy freestyles that blew. So wiley is basically flipping it saying eediyat (pronounced as spelt) skengman.
Stormzys first hit "where you know me from" was on a Wiley beat that stormzy never paid for. Stormzys mamma was in the video. Basically without wiley and his charitable nature...there'd be no initial hit...so wheres the production fee bruh?
Wiley is one of the OG's of grime. He's just referencing that fact and that he and a few others kicked the doors open and made it possible for Stormzy and the new generation to do what they're doing while Wiley, Kano and a few others have always stayed true to grime and not 'sold out' and gone the pop route to make more money. Also worth noting that Wiley is due to bring a new album out within the next few weeks.... coincidence? I doubt it.
You should react to Cadell - World War III. Cadell is Wiley's little brother who stormzy kept talking about and just put out the best diss in this entire thing.
He's clearly the 'worst' artist, flow, style, qualitu. Lyric wise he can def compare. But this beef is the old King v the new King. Honestly, there aren't many old (style) artists that compare to Wiley, same thing with more modern artists and Stormzy. Although cadell as a person is an important part of this beef, as an artist there's reason to really include him, as he simply doesn't compare
Stormzy did a track called "Know Me From" that went pretty big which had a one-take video with his mum in it. The beat on this had been used previously by Wiley on his track "BMO Field", so the 'lump sum' and 'know me from' bars about Stormzy's mum are call backs to this, and that they should pay him his dues.
I work backstage at music festivals and basically look after artists while they wait to go up on stage, wiley is literally the only artist I've ever met that had me starstruck. He is a full legend, from the convos I've had with him he doesn't care If you change your style as long as you don't try and still market yourself as grime, when your album doesn't have a single grime beat on it. I mean wiley has done pop music and he's the type of guy where his mood flip flops alot and that's where the variety of music comes from but also I think the Twitter rants, one thing that really comes across is wiley is so protective of grime as a culture and was pissed that ppl just used it as a trend to get big and then go and make American friendly music, one of the big appeals to grime is that most Americans have no idea what is being said and don't know the culture, and guys like stormzy and skepta sort of watered it down to grow out a fan base, I think stormzy did it better and it's more of his own style than skepta to just copied wiley his whole career untill he got known and then tried to make American style and it was shit and now we don't really hear from him much
I'm American and I definitely miss out on a lot of the meaning of grime. But it's one of my favourite genre's and I think Wiley is definitely right to be protective of it.
Wiley mocking Stormzy's dancing and mug-holding had me gone 😂RU-vid reactions not picking up on this either! First 2 rounds have been easy work for Stormzy though - 2-0.
"I've done more for you than your Dad has" meaning, you're in a big position musically now and you've gained success and money cos I opened the door for you. That's what Wiley means.
Great analysis guys. You hit the nail on the head with the style thing. This is Grime vs Pop Rap and both sides are comfortable with their styles. Wiley sees himself as the champion of the Grime sound and part of his responsibility as godfather is to call out anyone who violates with that sound. I think the mum thing is just about how Wiley helped give Stormzy a start, meaning he could pay for a new house, etc for his mum. Wiley is known as a developer of young talent and a philanthropist of Grime too. He supports the culture a lot and is responsible for the success of many of Grime's stars. You said, he is "the essence of Grime" and you're spot on there. Well done for completely getting it.
To your point about grime...alot of people were saying grime is dead before Stormzy. The new era of grime artists definitely sound different but arguably better. The lyricism is better, plus a lot of old school grime artists were hard to understand unless you were street. People like Stormzy made it open to the masses. Fans like that!
About the sound of grime. What is important to understand is that we’re dealing with a tempo. Now Grime admittedly has a ‘sound’ and that’s predominantly beats and bass with high hats etc in there but if everyone is following the same style and code, you will get repetitive sounds. I have always made grime music with the view of working at a tempo. So I don’t care what I do with it, I will take it anywhere, so long as there’s a nice beat and bass to go with it but ultimately, it’s a tempo. Grime producers should be working with more instruments, rhythms and melodies when it comes to the 140 grime tempo and then you see what you can create. Basically Grime is rap at a specific tempo that is delivered in different ways and resolutions, depending on the artist personality/character is where you’ll get differing flows. Therefore, that also makes Drill just another form of Rap. It’s a spin-off from Grime as they use the same or similar tempo but the only differences are The sound of the production. When you hear enough Drill tracks, you will know. It’s catchy and Stromzy’s ‘Disappointed’ was a drill beat. The flows. They spit in a different way, they use the most amount of new slang, the delivery is somewhat different and probably the only original thing about Drill. It’s kids. There are no Grime artists or rappers from that era (starting to rap between 2000-2010) who are doing Drill. Most Drill artist were born post millennium or very late in the last century so it’s mainly people of that age range who rate and support it.
On the 12 minute mark you hit the nail on the head. Wiley seemingly has a hard time letting go of the older sound. If other people aren't doing it how he deems it should be done it's wrong. Whereas, the beautiful thing about music is that it evolves. Wiley has a complex for sure.
He's basically saying that Stormzy has made a living off of a genre that he birthed. His mum owes him a lump sum (All the cash you've earned and supported your mother with is thanks to me).
100% Wiley is the godfather of grime. He was at the forefront of the crossover from house and garage to grime. He (and others around him) changed the way everyone was spitting from the mc neat mc creed type to the flow that pretty much everyone started using (others were included in this but Wiley was a major player) he and others in east created the eski/grime sound. He is the godfather of grime do he is precious about the sound. Stormzy changing it up and Wileys pissed a lil bit. That's all
Yes but Wiley can’t get his 40 year old ass in a twist when someone new comes through or when someone does a collab... not cool. Yes he is the godfather but he needs to remember the shit he has done too!
One of Stormzys breakthrough songs was a song called 'Where do you know me from?', which is what Wiley referenced in the 1st bar. That song is basically a carbon copy of a song Wiley did a bit before called BMF Freestyle (same beat, same flow)(and Stormzys mum cameoed in the video). I guess Wiley is saying he's owed for showing him the blueprint. Also Wiley has said a couple times that "when people show homage, its not always homage"
Wiley started the sound with Dizzee Rascal. He is the Godfather. Put it this way, back then, we had no name for the genre, we bounced between many names from urban, garage, grime. Eventually settling on grime. So when we say that Wiley is the Godfather of this thing here, he and Dizzee literally started it. Then others pioneered the sound like Kano.
Nah I dnt think he knows his mum like that but can't be entirely sure? Lol....I jus think when he sed 'you and your mum owe me a lump sum' is just that stormzy used grime to make that money, and Wiley is and always will be the Pioneer of grime! #godfather
I’m not familiar with drill and grime but I thought the first beat that Stormzy rapped on was pretty dope. Thanks for for bringing a new sound. I always appreciate hearing something new.
Hey guys this was an awesome reaction! The beat Wiley’s using is classic Grime (nearly every MC has spit over it). You should have reacted to ES 1 as well, the beat is “Holy Grime” from Wiley’s first Godfather album and it goes hard. React to Wot Do U Call It, Eskimo or Gangstas by Wiley - all great tracks! If you want to hear the true King of Grime, react to Integrity by Jme (Skepta’s brother). Regarding Stormzy’s sound, he started off as purely Grime, paying homage to all pioneers on freestyles and standalone tracks. He made R&B on his debut EP so he’s always been into it. His debut album was the next inclusion of R&B, then his sophomore followed. Funnily enough Wiley and Ed collaborated on Ed’s previous collab album, so Wiley is slightly contradicting himself but it’s clear that he’s fed up. Ed is the root of this beef and Wiley’s argument is that Ed takes from the Grime scene but does not give back due to his label controlling a lot of his content. If I’ve missed anything, anyone is welcome to fill in the gaps... hope this helps! Been a subscriber for a while now and this is my first comment to you guys, hope it’s not too long but I also hope you see it. Keep doing what you’re doing - love from the UK!
@@decjackson2097 it's pronounced as one word rather than Storm Z. Also bear in mind that the letter z as said in US is not said like that in UK. Otherwise it would be Storm-zed.
Wiley created grime. Wiley had an issue with Ed Sheeran not allowing the Rap/Grime artists to use the tracks they had collaborated on with Ed on their own albums. Wiley was talking to Ed and Stormzy jumped in...Ed is a big boy, let him speak for himself that's all Wiley was saying to Stormzy but Stormzy kept jumping in...
Not sure if anyone has said this yet or not, but the reason it sounds upbeat and kind of like house is because grime came from garage music and the garage sound that people like Wiley and bbk (skepta, giggs, jme) pioneered
Grime wouldn't exist without wiley! He literally invented the sound hence he has done more for stormzy than stormzys own dad did. Also the lump sum line is because stormzy used one of wiley beats for a freestyle so he's basically say he's owed roylties, only reason he bring up stormzys mum is because she was in one of the videos. Stromzy recently broke up with his girlfriend (maya) and wiley plays on the name thing alot (Mike myers etc) but he's saying that stormzy is so in love with his new girlfriend he can't get her out of his head although all the younger people around wiley have said she's a 'goer' basically she's easy. To conclude, wiley doesn't really take these clashes personally it's all music. He has clashed nearly everyone in grime because that's the heritage of real grime. Wiley sends and battles people to keep grime alive it's nothing but sport for wiley
Yo the song by stormzy "shut up" that you guys reacted to was actually aimed at wileys brother who he spoke about in stormzy track so that beef has been going years, just a heads up
Eediyat Skengman is a diss in itself, it’s a play on a series of songs/freestyles stormzy has done called wickedskengman. The first bar of this song “ask your mum where she knows me from” is a play on one of stormzys first big songs called know me from. Wiley took the flow from that song for the first couple of lines.
Most accurate description I've seen of Wiley is he has the legendary status of Nas but the pure lunatic troll status of 50 Cent. Man is 41 and he's going at younger artists for nothing, no one backs him but he's a legend so gotta respect what he's done still
I don't want to write a essay so I will try to keep to the point as possible Grime: a genre Wiley created with a few others producers e.g a Danny weed started from the year 1999. In this time, wiley producer and mc started to show case this sounds on DVD's called risky Roadz and load of the mic which was hosted by another mc guy called Jammer This era birthed the concept of clashing/waring on the mic and a full talent of mc's like skepta, wretch 32, ghetto, crazy titch,scorcher, BASHY dee double, kano, chipmunk plus tones more. Wiley throughout his career as opened doors to quite a few people, the one in my eyes that made it and fell was chipmonk now known as chip. He also helped dizzy rascal who went onto be a world sensation Grime is a infustion of garage, reggae, house with a 140bpm Alot of the beats your hearing wiley created and produced there are legendary. No one can doubt a wiley beat His beats are known as eski beats, which in turn he used to host raves known as eski dance. Mostly in east London. That is his sound The reference "ask your mum do you know me from? " is actually based off stomzy's own hit tune "where do you know me from" which featured his mum in the video. I could go on but there is soo much too it.
11:00 Imagine that Wiley sees Stormzy kinda like Takeshi 69. Not even saying that its a fair comparison but that's kinda the context from Wiley's perspective.
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Grime-music originally was a lot about clashes, basically rapbattles on uk underground beats. Wiley is one of the godfathers of this whole thing. I don't think he minds that Stormzy is changing the sound they created, but he feels like Stormzy cannot claim 'King of Grime' while doing so.
#Stormzy is not abandoning the Grime Culture but there was less of it on #HITH album but the very fact that he accepted the challenge to clash the Godfather of Grime is a testament that he is to some degree helping bring back that true essence. This ain't the only Grime battle happening. We would literally have to break it down bit by bit. MC by MC. But with Stormzy's reach the scene will inspire a whole new generation to want to be a Grime MC and learn more. At the same time Stormzy is only responding back because Wiley deserves more recognition and Stormzy knows the platform he has.
@@rmbb3095 Big Narstie and Dot Rotten was on early as well. But they were technical just rapping. Lost Tapes Of Brixton: VOL.1 - Clash In The Parkru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nAO3RUUCtXk.html&t
Wiley may have invented the sound but Dizzee made the first grime album and had the first real grime bangers so he really breathed life into the genre.
I never understand WHY some people have an issue when two accomplished artists in their own genres, that appreciate each other as artists and people, choose to collaborate on something; People call it "selling out"? It's MUSIC! EVERY SINGLE STYLE TODAY is an evolution of previous sounds and styles. Selling out is when an artists completely changes their own style in order to kowtow to some record label, NOT when an artist dips their toes into another style in order to experiment and push the boundaries.
The point of Stormzys was that I don’t have to expend energy on you. Even the title. He’s not mad. Just disappointed. He sipping coffee. He is tryna portray I’ll kill you and not even sweat
@@natv55 with you there, brought back my uni days. I think Stormzy's in the right in all this but Wiley's the one actually bringing grime to the 'grime beef'
Wiley is the originator of grime , the genre stormzy was in , that's what he means with all the mum shit and she should pay him etc , it's the equivalent to getting son'd in the us
your analogy of Wiley being a grime oldhead was pretty on point. whilst i understand Wiley being protective over the genre/sound and wanting to keep it intact and authentic, he kinda takes it too far to the point where he's not really open to allowing it to grow and evolve with time
And let’s not forget the ‘who ate all the pies’ and ‘Rolex’ era of Wiley … I think he’s an OG and is the godfather of grime but seems to forget he had his moments of going commercial too 😂😂
You guys need to check out "Wiley - Wot U Call It?" One of the original grime tunes, before it was called Grime. Hence the question "what do you call it?" Wiley is known as the Godfather of Grime/Eskimo/Eskiboy his sound (which is Grime) used to be called the Eskimo sound/dance or Eskibeat.
Keep your eyes on this because Wiley’s actually taking it pretty light hearted. To me he’s trying to get everyone involved in grime to raise their game, he’s been calling out all the big names but Stormzy is the only one who wanted it. have a nosey through his tweeter feed. He started in the scene like a lot of the originals with big battle series so it seems to me he’s trying to bring the back to make everyone sharper. Check out Wiley’s v Kano lord of the mics
You guys missed the very first song. The eediyat skengman 1 which was the first Stormzy Send. Wiley started this shit! Loving that it's getting man like you to listen.
You can have more than one genre of music that can influence you to create your own style just like wiley did to create iskobeat grime , there is so many different styles and vague lines between genres that you have cross overs. I personally like songs with a good beat base line singing and rapping in rythm like bigy and tupac collabs with rnb singers, Im not into hardcore hiphop and underground grime drill but can appreciate talent everyone has different tastes and opinions due to different experiences.
George's opinions usually line up with mine . At least you can recognize there is a real difference between grime and hip hop. Im sure it was L.A leakers that were arguing with krept and konan that it was the same thing. Im not a big grime fan but this was pure grime. A lot of people think anyone with a uk accent rapping is grime. Stormzy isnt a pure grime artist hes doing his commercial thing. Guys like wiley, kano and ghetts are the grime sound to me .
Any Americans here who unsure of grime. Listen to Kano, Giggs, old Dizzee Rascal, Wiley, JME, Skepta, Roll Deep, old Sidewinder tapes, DJ EZ . and after any of these names search Fire in the Booth with Charlie Sloth. The lyricism and talent these guys have beats ANYTHING the US has to give.
1:07 A skeng is a gun. Supposedly "skeng!" is the sound a gun makes... When Stormzy was still an underground MC he dropped an EP/mixtape called "Wicked Skengman"
I'm on east coast time so I can never get to your videos as soon as you post them but I wanted to put in a request. I'm from Pittsburgh and have two great rappers coming out our city. Dehkewlz and Hardo; they have a collab together called "Levels" you should react too. Individual songs. Hardo- Stressin, Fast life ft mac miller, Represent, Thinkin bout, Die a legend, Drug related, Laketon Rd ft Rexx Life Raj. Dehkewlz- first song "My name", I hope you haven't forgot about me, Tired of being tried, Bad habits ft Bruce lii, Ordinary people, PSA. Now I'm going to copy and paste this on all your videos until Pittsburgh gets some love.
Wiley brought through 100s of grime artists. Wiley declined record labels to bring artists through. Those artists later on went to sign labels. But wiley is or was apart bbk (boy better know) Skepta and JME own label and team. Stormzy was doing shows with them years ago.
wiley essentially created grime from two-step/UK garage sound (check his debut instrumental and the first grime beat "eskimo"). stormzys one of the guys spearheading this new grime which is blending rap, grime, drill, afrobeat, and pop, but its pretty much accepted that true grime (and therefore the true original UK hiphop sound) is now dead.
Yea you guys hit it pretty much on the head Wiley is one of the Og's and his style holds true to it, 140 bmp, Stormzy is easier to listen to for a wider market but yeah, Wiley is pretty much the embodiment of " Grime "
