Will Auto-Cannons RUIN World of Tanks?!? 

QB: "I have full faith that WG would balance out the tanks on a test server..." **BZ-176 enters the chat**

APCR rounds dealing half the damage is really accurate. If you think about it APCR shells are sub caliber rounds, so they are a lot smaller. So the chances of it hitting a module or a crew member is a lot less. I think it is a nice way to balance premium ammo.

The Thunderclap being the only one with that overheat mechanic tracks, as it's just a high rpm single-barrel. The Flakmaus doesn't put enough lead through the barrels to overheat them before a reload, and the gattling-gun on the Hailstorm rotates through several barrels for the express purpose of preventing an overheat. Also there's a LOT of real-life precedent for the gun getting less accurate the hotter the barrel is, as the softer (and expanded) metal would allow for more movement of the round inside the barrel which leads to a lot more deviation. So even if you had it 'fully aimed' it should still have a higher reticle bloom the hotter the barrel is. It would make those style tanks require very good trigger discipline unless you're point-blank.

I can definitely see a machine gun in the next steel hunter. Would be interesting.

You can't kill what is already dead

The console version has auto cannons and missiles already. The cannons are fun and the wrecker of pesky lights. Missiles are a bit tricky but definitely fun.

If they do add it , id Like them to add the M163 Anti-Air tank, maybe even the puma or Marder A1's

Console, which I recently checked out after a few years away, has added the Bradley which has an auto cannon and uses TOW missiles. I even saw that certain tanks, with multiple turrets, you can alternate between the guns now too.

They have had them on Console CW mode for a while. Some are doubly equipped with Missiles for a Spray Spam to Stun the individual then the Missile does 1k or All the Damage while the tank is red screened from all the shells on them

QB, it makes a lot of sense for high pen high velocity shells to deal less damage. There is such a thing IRL as overpenetration. If the shell doesn't remain in the tank when it pens, very often than not it just punches through and leaves a hole instead of bouncing around inside and making everything into purée.

If they can balance it well it could open up a lot of vehicles reminiscent of the Panzer I and Panzer II Tanks in the game, and perhaps IFVs as a new Class/Subclass of Mediums and Light Tanks, I think id really enjoy seeing vehicles like the Scorpion, Sabre, M113 and other Post WW2 vehicles that work at short range with Autocannons. Though they would probably have to find a way to squeeze it into the meta so they cant just be outranged by TDs or ignored by a hull down heavy (If they balance the damage output of these things of course)

The reason the Thunderclap's reticle blooms so much is because the heat also affects it in addition to all the other factors, it kind of leaps to a larger size when you get to about 1/3-1/2 heat bar. And from my testing, the only module damage I suffered was tracks, I don't think anything else was hurt, including crew. I think autocannons will add a new dynamic to the game. You need to know when you engage with the Hailstorm's gun at short range, as you burn ammo really quick leaving yourself vulnerable while you reload. The Thunderclap's has a decent skill floor and cap on it, with the need to burst fire, and again a big reload. Even the Flakmaus could make it more intersting with rapid fire, low calibre autloaders (It has twin 88mm guns for reference.).

It's definitely interesting ... I'd like to see what tanks would really carry these games. I do like that ammo canisters being part of the hit box, its a fair trade off.

I would say add the guns as options for existing tanks. Instead of adding a tech tree branch of fake tanks put them in as options on chassis that traditionally carried them like the Wirbelwind and Centaur AA. They could add in some premium tanks, but I don't think there are enough SPAAG variants to make entire tech trees for them.

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I like the cooldown mechanic on the M-V-Y, over the other rapid fire gun on the Sheridan. Pom Pom gun on the Maus was cool, but more similar to random que tanks. Best part of these guns is that the firefight looks amazing, so bring on night battles!

As someone who doesn't really play WoT anymore, but does play War Thunder, I personally enjoy the auto cannon gameplay a lot over there, it puts less emphasis on hitting that one shot and you feel less bad about missing since you have more shots at the ready. The game feel more tactical where finding a good spot to unload from is more rewarded, this is also somewhat relevant to WoT auto loaders that are in the game already, so I think it's not to far of a stretch and perhaps it would be fun to play. The one thing that I think is perhaps worth considering is how fun it is to play against, like getting unloaded on by an auto loader is annoying as it is, this might be even more frustrating, so what is needed is a test where these types of vehicles are fighting normal tanks.

Also that’s how the premium rounds should be. Less dmg, but more pen. Trouble is it makes heavies even more OP

and yet they killed the Luch's gun that used to pretty much be this.

I also hope this means they might go to lower tier autocannons and make them more viable. i'd love to get the autocannon back on the MT25 and have it actually be competitive with the 57mm.

It is going to make some impact in the game, but with some stat tweaking here and there, I still think it can be fun. Atleast with autocannon there’s a chance it could bounce or not pennetrate. Unlike the flamethrower tanks that damages anything in front of it. Also the Hailstorm gives off PZ 1C vibes type of fun from the old days of wot.

The only way premium rounds should exist are with less damage and more pen. This is rapid fire shit is extremely uninteresting to me.

it would be cool if you could use a little "balanced" machine gun as a secondary weapon, that's weaker than the primary canon. But not on all tanks, so it stays kinda special. Imagine the "M3 Lee" coming back as a techtree tank with a machine gun on its side or top. xD

I like how WG came to the conclusion that all the burst damage down at low tiers was too much and how people were dying too quickly etc. etc. and yet at the higher tiers they're slapping autoloaders onto everything they can these days and now we got even faster firing auto-canons like these around the corner. I get that new mechanics are a must and I could see these being fun to play but my trust in WG to keep things balanced and to not create some outrageously OP premium down the road with this mechanic is pretty much zero.

Balancing the tank traverse speed is crucial to not further exacerbate the current 5-min game meta. Otherwise would love to see it introduced to random!

It could be used in the low tiers, where there are a lot of machine cannons.

I'd love to see these mechanics - maybe not in the form we see here, but the general idea would be interesting.

I can only speak to the way autocannons were implemented into WoT console. There are several light tanks in Cold War mode with autocannons, which are just rapid intra-clip reload autoloaders. The individual hits are small, but the module and crew damage tends to add up rapidly. And many of those light tanks also have ATGMs on a secondary weapon system, with an independent reload, and there is a premium French medium, the FORAD, that features a 105mm main armament with an autocannon secondary.

i was sure the next big change into the game would be tier 11 but this is very surprising in a good way, these type of tanks will probably have a very high skill cap

An interesting mechanic they could add is the different types of drivetrains that were actually made

The sound effects while in FPV is amazing 😍😍

I like it it seems cool definitely get the balance right and have different/new tanks if they were to come to the random queue like a new tech tree

This game does not have enough auto loaders and matches are already way too long.

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It looks super cool and I actually dreamed about them adding it to the game for a long time. Give me that sweet Ostwing, Wirbelwind and of course Kugelblitz! I may even get back to the game if they do this.

I agree with QB, this is an interesting mechanic that if balanced correctly would work in the regular game queue. Again adding a new dynamic to the no longer historical tech trees.

now all we need is a version of the foch 155 with the mini-gun

I always thought that WG should add machine guns as a secondary armament since a lot of tanks have that. But this I think would be bad for the game IF they don't balance it veeeerrrry carefully.

It should be depending on what Tier they’ll start out as, but I would like the Heat Gauge mechanic from the Thunderclap, but the gun itself from the Hailstorm. Close thing we got on Console CW side is the Eastern Alliance’s Light Tank esp from RU side that the BMP-3 was nerfed from it’s Camo Value to pump out a lot of damage while hidden. Not to mention it has a 105 MM cannon with it’s ATGM as Secondary Ammo. But the main one is the PT-76 with it’s 57MM Auto Cannons that can somewhat shred lightly armored tanks and some Medium Tanks as well.

They have this mechanic in WoT Consol Cold War. They seem balanced with a volume of fire at a cost of penetration/damage. Its's good at close quarters combat but suck at long range, they also struggle to penetrate angled and spaced armor. From what I've experienced in terms of crit's are mostly engine fires.

This would be a cool mechanic to use for the currently unusable machine guns on tanks.

The fact that the premium ammo does half damage is so good and something I wish was across all tanks.

SUPER INTERESTING! I hope a full tree shows up, having more variation in vehicles adds to the replayability of the game.

More and more we're seeing Armored Warfare's concepts and mechanics going into WarGaming's product line. Project CW looks like a AW in Global Operations mode but with War Thunder graphics. Now you see minigun style autocannons like the M48 GAU in AW.

You think camping and sniping is bad now, add these and all the single shot tanks will become snipers. ..WoT is going to have to divide into 2 divisions: Historical tanks and Modern Armored Vehicles (the hailstorm reminds me of a Bradley with a Vulcan mounted on it)....Just my opinion and I've been wrong before (hence the couple divorces under my belt 😐) Rock on Tankers 🤘😎

I think Armored Warfare back in the day had a huge issue with balancing autocannons for vehicles that were IFVs. They simply do so much damage so quickly that if someone flanks you you’re basically dead

I've been waiting for something like this, the M163 VADS (Vulcan Air Defense System) is in War Thunder as well and has been in service since the 60s it also served in everything America has been involved in since Vietnam. And since we already have vehicles from the 70s and 80s in the game I didn't really understand why they couldn't/wouldn't add that till I thought of the rotary cannon issues, hopefully it makes it to the game

Any weapon becomes less accurate as its barrel heats up. It's super realistic and I think QB had a genius idea there.

HSTV-L tech tree?

I find the Thunderclap to be an interesting mechanic, especially to put onto heavy tanks. The thing is, alot of heavy tank mechanics are either alpha trading or blitzing (DPM trading). In this regard, these auto-cannons seem to allow the tank at least to have a more sustained capability in a fight (not overheating at all) or a small full burst (trading). Interesting to say the least. If the Hailstorm's gets added it would probably need some pitiful penetration and weaker shell velocity, balancing the tank around the light tank's positioning. Still iffy on it. It looks fun for now, but I don't know how well received it will be over a long duration of time.

the reason the hailstorm doesnt have the cooldown is because its like a minigun where it rotates through the barrels in order to not overheat them

if crits may be a thing then maybe spa-liner could be good as a defense for crew damage

I really like how the Thunderclap is implemented. It makes logical sense, for one, but it also seems like it would have the most room for strategy. Figuring out when to prioritize cooldown vs doing damage, timing your cooling to reloads, stuff like that really raises the skill ceiling, and makes mastering those mechanics that much more rewarding. Point and shoot 'til you run out of ammo is boring IMO.

Cool! I will definitely enjoy this feature. Looks quite fun to shower the enemies with several bullets at once!

Now all they need is laser guided missiles like in advanced warfare. Takes skill to use because they travel slower and only have so much turn rate. Itd be a good test of depth perception or sense of space.

about 2 years ago I said to my friends that autocanons will probably come... and I was thinking about something like ramka 99 in AW etc... and I miss those autocanons we had on t6 lights... so yeah this would be interesting for me

Super cool, exciting stuff, good review.

If they balanced the alpha to fit normal dpm, then I'd be happy to see these as an optional gun module, maybe. Possibly only on certain vehicles? I think I prefer the Thunderclap mechanic - it's novel enough to liven up the game, but doesn't have to be OP, whereas the Maus gun is just a glorified autoloader. The first one (?) doesn't seem to have enough limiting features

As far as heat effecting accuracy it is a real thing especially with thinner barrels, a real world example is the svd dragunov and the Romanian psl marksmen rifles, both have issues when firing for extended periods due to the pencil barrel profile heating up and whipping around like a noodle when hot.

Not having a heat issue on the gatling gun is realistic. 6 barrels helps with cooling. Rapid fire is possible with single barrel, especially with revolver-style chambering. When do we get an IR-spotlight night mode?

The console game already this - many of the existing tanks, especially in Cold War, can swap armaments to ATGM and autocannon. It's quite decently done, barring the balance on the Weisel TOW.

I think WG tests those 3 types of autocannons which will inflict a realistic autocannon-mounted tanks situation. It tested for future tech-tree releases I guess. 1. Hellstorm: Vulken mounted SPAAG, which can consistently fire until drum depleted (e.g. M163 VADS). 2. Thunderclap: Guns, can rapidly fire until overheated like 2 cm Flakvierling or 4 × 23 mm 2A7 autocannons (e.g. Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind, ZSU-23-4 Shilka). 3. Flakmaus: Twin-linked medium caliber guns with clips like 2 ×Bofors 40mm guns or 2 × 57-mm S68 (e.g. M19 MGMC, M42 Duster, and ZSU-57-2 Ob'yekt 500).

IRL as a rifle gets hotter the dispertion gets bigger. Probably the same for the big guns. They should implement this for balancing. Also some guns can get so hot, that the bullet is no longer stabilized properly, it tumbles and cant penetrate hard targets. That would be cool to see.

I like the Flakmaus that they added in, it looks cool and I remember hearing people say that it is a real design

pretty normal in Armored Warfare, balancing is very low pen and no armor and only 50% HP in comparison to other tanks of the same tier, but if you manage to get rear of the heavily armoured target you eat it in few seconds, for example normal tanks in tier 8 have around 4000 DPM but machine guns have around 15-20k dpm if you pen all bullets

I actually like all three of them, each of them have thier own drawback. The hailstorm has to rev up, getting higher fire rate the longer you shoot, the thunderclap with the overheat, and the flakmaus.. idk tbh. They all look really fun though!

I think I'd like to try it some, but I don't want the whole game to become a super fast paced game, kinda like the chill vibe of regular guns, but this would also be fun sometimes.

Having a high skillcap can be a way of balancing the guns, but that will add more to the already high new-player bar, so it comes with a "price". But it is fun. And I agree with you about the machine-gun version being a bit hard to implement in a good way. And QB, you missed the opportunity of saying "can you shoot with a dobbel-barrel gun with just one Maus-click....." 🙂

The volume of 40,000 37mm shells must be greater than the volume of a Sheridan. I know this is an arcade game, and a test, but it's a little silly.

QB, you didn't say what the guns were on each tank, I would like to know for historical reference. Historically overheating flak gun barrels would jam and explode, which is why so many had quad barrels or gatlings. It appears also, when firing AP rounds, flak guns often fired single shot rather than fully auto, as the dispersion was too great. High dispersion is okay up to a point when shooting at planes with HE, the idea being to put as many shots into roughly where the aircraft is gonna be when the two meet. So if WG increase the dispersion bloom for firing fully auto or near overheating, that would be good. I think these would be a neat idea to slip into existing tech trees, as most flak tanks are just standard tanks with a different turret. If they set it up right, just your development of tank upgrades could give you the option of buying the flak turret after you've got the standard tank. They could then create an option where you swap turrets out before entering the random queue. EG a Panther tank would have the FlakPanther turret option of twin 37mm AA, or a Crusader could have the Crusader I AA with 40mm Bofors or Crusader 2 AA with twin 20mm polsten cannon. Most of the Panzers had flakpanzer versions. You'll love the Leopard tank options - the twin 35mm of the Gepard, or the Italian OTO Melara 76mm. So all these could be dropped into existing tech trees and wouldn't even be new vehicles, but would give players and games a lot more variety. After that of course other flak vehicles could then be added as new vehicles.

There should be an accuracy penalty the longer you hold the trigger like in most Battlefield games. Allows you to burst fire in medium to long ranges.

3:00 the extrem retical bloom just makes no sense from a realistic standpoint as the real counterparts do have an area of spread but that area of spread will not get bigger with time as its mounted stable on a tank, ship or aircraft. To make it feel closer to the real thing WG would need to at some more physics stuff. So for the time being this might be the correct or smart way to do it but still kinda dumb that the retical on a mounted, stationary gun has bloom especially since the bloom on tanks has to do with the knockback and aftereffects of the caliber. EDIT: Still gonna be fun to have though. Flakmaus works a more like autolaoders then real miniguns/AUto-Cannons!

The Hailstorm not having a heat bar makes sense since it's a rotary design and rotary guns have all those barrels to not overheat.

Havent played the game in years, just following your content because you are entertaining. These guns look fun and I would enjoy watching you have great battles with them. Me, myself and I won´t return to WoT as it´s just not my game anymore. Currently addicted to Diablo 4 and on other days I play WoW WotLK.

Armored warfare has the m48 Patton hull with a gau 8 in a turret. At tier 10. I love it.

Agree. Mechanics looks good. Really interesting.

My only other thought process, is this is a test bed for the other "WoT 2.0" game, using the much larger player base on the test server than they could ever use on a private test.

I'm definitely interested in seeing what this wold be like to play. Cool. :).

Gatling guns don’t need a heat bar because it’s harder for them to overheat because the barrels spin it keeps them fairly cool using air until you fire it for an extended amount of time like a minute straight. And yes historically heated barrels will throw shots off your point of aim fairly significantly depending on how hot it is.

HSTV-L needs to be the American line. XM274 75mm HV gun. Pene values are hard to find for it but I have seen numbers around 200 to 300mm with later rounds of the program. I believe it was being developed in line with the Sheridan...not sure if it was a competitor tank or just another program. Fired a 75mm HV Shell at 60 rounds per minute.

Can't wait for the Even 90 - 30mm. It's going to be great to have grown up Luchs driving around.

I always thought that people (commanders) should pop out of the hatch if the player is viewing in 3rd person - the top pops open at the hatch and a guy pops up - and that they be easily sniped by machine guns/very light tank weapons. I also think they should have anti tank guns (you get three in a squad that drive with lorrys, unpack) and they have (say) 10 hp each, massive cammo until firing, but all three can fire together in ambush doing (say 2250 dmg at tier ten)

hey QB... I don't think that they will necessarily put in these tanks because they don't exist but there are actually tanks with MG's that exist for example the German Wiesel

It makes sense that the Hailstorm wouldn't overheat. I mean, the whole point of rotary machine guns and rotary cannons is that instead of pumping out 1200RPM out of a single barrel, you pump out 1200RPM out of 6 barrels, meaning that one barrel only fires 200RPM, which wouldn't overheat it.

Historically, what would happen when the barrel overheated was that it would become less accurate each time that happened until it was simply useless. The issue isn't the barrel but the chamber and how it would simply erode the throat and rifling. Eventually the barrel is basically a smooth bore and fairly useless at long ranges.

If these guns do more critical damage on crew, that would be a strong counter to overpowered heavies. It would be nice to have this gun as an option on selected tanks. That being said, what I think would be an improvement to the game writ large is to be able to switch tanks pre game, the way we can swap equipment load outs now, as long as they were the same tier/class. This would make the game more dynamic, enjoyable and would compel players to collect and keep tanks with usable crew. I also think garage vs. garage matches would be cool. How? Not sure, but there's a game there.

I have this dream of an old school t5 Chaffee being in a t10 match, rush behind a t10 tank and then go BRRRRRRAAAAAAAPPPPP!!!!!!!!

I saw the video title and I thought you're getting something like russian or soviet 57mm autocannons in there that go pop pop pop, kinda like fast autoloaders, or those low tier tanks. I was not expecting A-10 level of brrrrt.

completely agree with ur thoughts on this, and nice vid too!🤗💚

One thing to consider - Weight is hilarious An Abrams with 45 rounds of APFSDS is 20kg per round - 900kg The Hailstorm with the 37mm - 20000 rounds.....that weigh0.6kg per round historicly....12 metric tons...24 tons with premium added in ammo

Thoughts if the new guns acted as a sort of secondary weapon on some tanks, fired from the gunners position if the tank has one in the turret. Make the gun overheat faster and reduce the ammo capacity, have a hot key to switch between the two guns?

This looks so cool!

hotter gun barels do mean they are less accurate. the barrel swells. this allows gas leakage around the shell, and allows a slight wobble of the shell. a hot gun barrel gives you a slower moving, wobbly bullet. the effect is pretty minimal, but its a real effect.

there are auto cannons on World of Tanks Modern Armour (console version) in the cold war game mode. the auto cannons are not that good and do not nearly as much damage at short period of time but it is effective against lighty armoured tanks but not when they have armour. and the cannons worl like that "hail storm" tank but with less fire rate and less bullets per reload. but the rockets are the selling point of those tanks because they do a lot of damage and have a high chance to detonate the ammo

Now they can do things like enabling the .50 cals. Or the turret gun on the M3 Lee.

I agree, this looks fun and refreshing to the game, the tanks do just need some fine tuning for balancing

Wow... i remember playing this game as a kid and seeing WoT as a fun historic tank game with a few paper tanks. Now i got suggested a few videos and it looks like some kind of weird fictional battle game you see as parody games in movies or anime.

I've played maybe 50 battles in the last 6 months. This would bring me back atleast for a little while.

Imagine you are in a FV4005 or tier 8 paper tds like skorp....

The way I could see auto cannons implemented, in a somewhat passable way would be low pen, low damage, but high module damage. Almost like a arty stun effect.