Muzammil came up with a great solution.Replacing electric vehicles from combustion ones will solve a lot of problems of Pakistan lower imports, lower pollution, capacity charges will be widely shared which will eventually lower the cost of electricity production but we cannot ignore the following problems with owning an electrical vehicle : 1.Low travelling range 2. Not readily available(charging needs time, while combustion vehicles are always ready to use) 3. In extreme warm weather batteries will under perform. 4. Lack of charging stations. 5. Lack of technicians to work on such vehicles. 6.Lack of locally made spare parts which will eventually increase imports while sourcing these parts.
Basically, charging infrastructure is the issue for which only government can take initiative like it happened in rest of the world. Till then, we can safely use them in cities. You usually need charging stations for intercity travelling. There are people who owned EVs for 3~4 years and never visit any charging station in city driving. Technicians and parts will be available only when any company will launch local assembled EV. Right now, the only EV that will come as CKD is Seres 3.
@@HaroonRasheedMuhammadRasheed It's due to electricity theft. Due to theft, electricity could not be provided to everyone are paying the bills. This is incompetence on government level that they could not stop it till now.
The main problem in Pakistan is that there is no transmission capacity. Transmission capacity is less than production - Transmission capacity is only 22000 MW ---> There is no electricity in many places and there is extreme load-shedding in some places in Pakistan. There was no planning done when these IPPs were set up by the previous governments. I believe they received kickbacks and commissions on this. Even if we run all power plants, this electricity will be wasted as it will not be utilized.
Yeah, you are very right. I think we can increase a lot of our electricity consumption by just giving it to more people and decreasing load shedding. I live in south Punjab, and in our city, the current daily load sheading is around 4 to 8 hours. So, if we eliminate load shedding and provide electricity to remote areas by upgrading our transmission infrastructure, we can pretty much solve the capacity payment issue. Although I like Muzamil's idea of electric cars and bikes, I think it takes more time than he anticipated. Of course, in order to effectively execute this shift, we can start working today, and it will be very beneficial to us.
Exactly, this is the comment that I was looking for. One can as, if our capacity of production is higher than our consumption than why is there so much load-shedding.
I appreciate your intent. Major problem for electric powered cars is that how consumers would charge their vehicles, most of the city dwellers live in small houses (without car garage) or apartments where installing chargers is not feasible.
There are public charging stations. Can be installed in gas stations, shopping centres, at workplaces to facilitate public that can not install charge stations in their homes. There can also be companies solely dedicated to creating charging station networks throughout cities.
@@samiafahim8495 I live in a city where 1/4 of our cars are electric powered, and all these e-vehicles owners have their own charging units. Public charging is only used when they park their cars at work/home/malls or they are enroute to another city/attraction. Not sure, how this would work in PK, but I hope for the best.
@@NoumanArif007 rightt, i think itll have to be the same here. Those who live in houses and have the space for charging stations must install in their homes, those in apartments with dedicated parking lots can install joint stations in there. The rest can use public electric buses ig :)
I think we can increase a lot of our electricity consumption by just giving it to more people and decreasing load shedding. I live in south Punjab, and in our city, the current daily load sheading is around 4 to 8 hours. So, if we eliminate load shedding and provide electricity to remote areas by upgrading our transmission infrastructure, we can pretty much solve the capacity payment issue. Although I like Muzamil's idea of electric cars and bikes, I think it takes more time than he anticipated. Of course, in order to effectively execute this shift, we can start working today, and it will be very beneficial to us.
Pakistan agr apni electricity export kry Afghanistan ya Kisi neighbor country ko, tu is sy consumption increase ho skti hai, jesy Uzbekistan export krta hai Afghanistan ko
The only thing that I disagree with is that electric cars will not require repairs. The correct thing to say would be that they will not require as many repairs as IC (Internal Combustion) car would because they have less parts.
Sir with dew respect i am Eletroauto ya Mechanic ho in italy. I WORK ON EV apki bat consumition tak tu samj atti.. hea lkn pakistan ki car market me ye nahi possible bcz 1)we need alot of education on eletrical vechiel jo hamre mechanics or mechanical students ko samjne ke lie kamaz 5 se 10 saal ka time period chaie. 2)hamre piyare pakistan me abi tak jo pichle 75+ years se jo cars hea unke parts ka masla hea tu totaly new cars ka kya bane ga. 3)hamre petrol pumps ya petrol mafia onwers ziada tar uncles hea jo in cheezo ko samj hi nahi samkte 4) hamri young genration ko koi sexy sa kam chaie jo wo kr sake un ko sekne ka itna shoke bhi nahi ya wo passion hi nahi jo moje mere fellow colleges me nazr atta 5)EVs ko samjne or samjne ke lie hum kis ki trf jaye as in italy jo ke kaffi devolped country hea idr bari moskil se koi gerage milta jo Evs pe kam karna janta ho 6) jab tak hum ne ye sara mamla samjna hea ya wo Big pic samne ani hea tab bhot late ho jani hea Hamri unit 1000 se 2000 ki ho jani hea or ye sare blah blah ke mamle.. . . ×)(Personal thought)Chwal hi samje is bat ko lkn agr hum pe Agr abi koi dictator ajye ya koi asi personality jo ke hume dande se Evs pe shift karde ya dande ke zor par in production houses ko band kre ya in se koi deal kare tu maybe we can survive until 2050 as per Tbh..❤
Ap Italy ma bith kr agr ak mechanic hain it doesn't mean you have authority and sense... apka pura comment kfai chawal without basic knowledge and understanding of things... nahi krty tu acha huta
Muzammil came up with a great solution. Replacing electric vehicles from combustion ones will solve a lot of problems of Pakistan lower imports. This is tested in Pakistan before with CNG when it came it's consupmtion was increased by 100%.
Oil is still cheap if you compare the production cost of battery with oil….electric vehicles look feasibly good coz western govts have given an artificial subsidy on it to increase its production and sales coz in long run evs will turn out to be more cost inefficient when fifty percent of fuel based cars will be replaced….moreover you need a whole lot infrastructure from transmission to charging station to power grids if want to implement this ev policy effectively
Great Suggestion. Suneel Munj of Pakwheels also suggested conversion of all bikes into electric to reduce precious dollars spent on fuel imports. Conversion of cars is fairly expensive and unsuitable for long distance travel.
My counter to your discussion is why would there be a positive climate change if you are using electric cars while producing energy from coal powered or fuel burning electricity generation plants. It's going to be even worst in that case since in case of ICE vehicles fuel energy is converted into mechanical energy and there is only one stage of conversion. While in case of an EV first you burn fuel to generate electricity, feed them through grid and charge your vehicles which will eventually be converted into mechanical energy. Far more losses, meaning to cover the same milage you will be adding more pollution to the environment. Moreover, since our aim is to increase consumption from fuel powered grid generation so we can not justify the above while saying that we will charge our EVs from renewable energy.
Oil is still cheap if you compare the production cost of battery with oil….electric vehicles look feasibly good coz western govts have given an artificial subsidy on it to increase its production and sales but in long run evs will turn out to be more cost inefficient when fifty percent of fuel based cars will be replaced and when these subsidies will be waned off….moreover you need a whole lot infrastructure from transmission to charging station to power grids if want to implement this ev policy effectively and Pakistani govt for decades have struggled to lay roads and he is asking and expecting these Pakistani ruling elite to come up with an ev policy out of nowhere……..talking sense in Pakistan is an actual nonsense
ICE vehicles have efficiency of 20-25%. Whereas pakistani power plants running on oil have efficiency of 75-85%. Pakistan's lowest quality plants have efficiency of 60%. Transmission losses are usually less than 10%. So the overall efficiency of the system is increased and thus oil import is decreased. Moreover, in ICE vehicles, you can only use petrol or diesel, whereas in EV govt can use hydro or local coal to generate electricity thus decreasing import bill. SO you have options in how to produce electricity whether imported oil, or local coal, hydro or even solar. But the change should start with motorcycles and small city cars, then public transport, and then for personal cars.
Great point. Any consumer appliance that can be switched from gas/petrol to electric should also be part of that policy. City centers that don't have a transmission issue can be specifically targeted by provincial and municipal governments as well. Someone else also mentioned exporting the excess power, which is a great idea in the mid to long term, although requires significant capital investment. But if the importing country may be willing to share the cost it may make sense.
We here that and as you mentioned Pakistan have excessive amout of energy production but load shading is increased all over Karachi if there is no load shading the debt will decrease
One point to be added: With procurement of new electric vehicle massive scale program of conversion of existing cars MCs into electric after massive scale up of charging station would expedite the process
Sab electric cars ko charge karny k liye jo electric distribution system chahea woh america k pas b nahi ha. Sir subject matter experts needed otherwise these overarching solutions seem so enticing
Good Idea, we need charging infrastructure and also we need to convert the current Motorcycles and Cars to electric. We need custom-made conversion kits.
In India since last 5 years there is a major overhaul and now most of the buses plying on many routes are electric. There are 2 major players in electric buses Tata and Olectra green Tata is also big in electric cars
Sir, if we increase the consumption, i don't think so Pakistan have that dollars to import the oil for IPPS. Mifta Ismail said in the interview, we make loadstadding to just reduce overall oil consumption
Really amazing! Good thoughts! But the cost to build the infrastructure is more than we think. Imagine what will it cost to replace all these feul pumps with electric stations!!
Load shredding se hamari jaan nahi choti. Kam bijli yeh deliver nahi ker saktay to full lod pay yeh hamay kesay bijli dain gay? Asal sawal to yeh hai. Apka solution to us k bad kahin kaam aiy ga. Thori roshni load shedding pe bhe dalain jab apki bijli aiy. (Kis city main 24 hours uninterrupted bijli mil rahi hai yeh bhe zroor batain)
Pls answer my 2 masoomana questions: - If we have so much electricity in surplus, then what is the reason behind load shedding? - Again, if we have so much surplus electricity, then why government announces every now and then, that the markets should be closed by 8 pm or so, they should, on the contrary, encourage that the markets should be open till, say, 12 am ... TIA
Bro I have to say this: "Aap jo bol rhay ho wo behes k lye sunnay k lye acha hai lekin practical nhe hai" The real problem is the elite will never take a hit in any matter - Capacity payments kabhi kam nhe honay dengay - EV ko theek trah import nhe honay dengay - Cars yahan manufacture nhe krne dengay - Petrol Consumption Kam honay nhe dengay Their generational wealth depends on this.
Abhi filhal to Punjab Government ne jo e-Bikes ka kaha tha students ke liye 1000 e-bikes vs 19000 petrol bikes wo bhi cancel kar di hain because of "battery issues" but in reality due to the big-3 or whoever is lobbying them.
PSO,POWERSHELL etc are big companies of pakistan.If whole cars of country were shifted to elecric cars then their numerous petrol pumps will be closed and they will make most of them to stop this plan.
To the point and solution oriented. Wonderful episode Muzammil bhai. I hope we can all come together and overcome the problems that exist in the implementation part. Also, Great website!!! Lovedddd it
Mashallah you're doing great job muzammil bhai soyi hui qoum ko jaga rahe per at the same time allah apki hifazat bhi kare aapne aaj kafi industries aur ameer logoun ki dhoti kholi he🤠
I agree that power generation companies are capable of producing electricity more than we need but what about those payments which incurred because of transmission and distribution loss? Our infrastructure is not up to the mark and we need to spend more on our infrastructure first then this idea can be applicable.
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i am in my twenties and have been running an agriculture drone business for years growing slowly. trust me ud better be a property dealers early in life buy cool cars and enjoy life rather than making a system, giving it yout all and gaining little to nothing
Muzzamil bahi Allah app per reham karee app bht acha kaam ker rahee hai aur khas ker ham youth ko apni actual problems ki agahii ho rahii hai.Be motivated and keep this series going on. AS Steve rogers (Captain America) said: I can do this all day.
hello muzammil your content is very informative I'm following your content since 2021 and watching informative podcast my knowledge is very gain and next level only watched your podcast . and you launching fundamental course so can i enrol pre launched?
make a video on how much boycott is working in Pakistan and giving to local brands. why should we boycott? which aer some brands to boycott and which many not to.
bhai g you have missed quite possibly the most important point. consumption barhao ge, production barhaani parray gi. uss production k liye fuel chaiye, wo fuel b dollars se aye ga jo pakistan ka hi dollar hai. which means, as per your suggestion, not only will we spend dollars bringing in the electric cars, we will also spend more dollars to import oil for these IPPs to make more electricity to power said electric cars. jo hypothetical 7.5 billion dollars gasoline ka bachao ge, wo apko furnace our aur other fuels main lagana parray ga. we are scrood in every way possible.
Brother i have a question If they are charging us for less electricity consumption, then why are they cutting off power supply from several areas in karachi?
Muzamil bhai All your points are good and think able but as karachities i want to know that if pakistan have enough electricity as you said that for electric vehicles so Why K electric is not giving electricity to us??
I really do like your idea muzzamil one thing i would like to add to this is that we desi people are known for “jugaar” so in my personal opinion if the government of Pakistan can somehow subsidise importing lithium batteries into Pakistan then people or workshops with expert mechanics can convert or restore old cars and make them electric this way the cost of importing a car or assembling a car will be more than just restoring an old mehran for e.g and fitting it with the lithium batteries. I do understand the complications of this and safety however If done the right way will prove to be very beneficial. People in Pakistan already are restoring older cars because buying a new one is extremely expensive. Adding this element of converting your car into an electric car will definitely appeal to the people of Pakistan. My opinion ofc.
I work as a data analyst in Saudi Arabia. When it comes to statistics, it is worth noting that the current electric stations are generating electricity through the combustion of oil. This increased burning of oil leads to a higher import of oil and a subsequent loss of dollars, contributing to an account deficit. Whether the oil is burned in cars or in electric stations, the overall numbers remain the same. Additionally, it is important to consider that electricity transmission also incurs some loss. To address these challenges, industrialization emerges as the sole solution, as it allows for greater electricity consumption and subsequently creates job opportunities, leading to an increase in GDP. However, it is crucial to recognize the need to transition these oil-based electric stations into atomic power plants in the future. Failure to plan this transition effectively, especially when carried out by a group of retired majors, could result in unfavorable outcomes.
Conversion of oil based power plants into atomic power plant will never be approved for country like Pakistan…you must have to approve your nuclear power policy for civil usage from iaea or in other words mai bapp america…America gave and approved civil nuclear transfer policy for india some eighteen years ago….this was the time when Pakistan was partner in war of terror with America, and in return what usa gave to Pakistan was geo news, feminism,aurat march, sociology scholarships while for India they approved this civil nuclear transfer deal which turned out to be a game changer for Indian power needs after eighteen years…this shows how much of a trusted partner usa is for pakistan
Brother after listing you, i have 2 major obligations 1- if we are now using less electricity, it means that the IPPs which 80-90 percent runs on some sort of fossils fuels(Imported) will now use less of those products to make electricity. So it should make a huge dent on Imports of pakistan (Do not forget the reductions of utilization of these products (petrol etc) due to increase in inflation)
2- due to inflation, people are now hand to mouth, so how will they use more electricity even if govt reduce the per unit cost. They can't even buy electric bike, let alone the electric cars.......
Capacity charges are irrespective of fuel consumed...You get full grid Payment you buy or not...Inshort it will increase in IPP Profit...By the way they are paid in Dollars
My opinion is different it can easily implement in Pakistan.We can also improve public transport by importing electric buses.Can mine crypto currency if in future it gets hike.
@@thehussansiddiqui my point was that even if GOVT is giving money to IPPs because of less utilization of electricity, there should be a huge dent in consumption of OIL and coal (Imported) which is utilized by IPPs for power production. So don't you think that the equation will More or less balance out?
The only caution I have with the introduction of a sound electric vehicle policy is that Pakistan won't necessarily be cutting CO2 emission in absolute terms as the increased Cobalt mining resulting from increased electric vehicle sale will increase Pakistan's contribution to CO2 emissions abroad, the DRC in the case of Cobalt. If the push for electric cars persists in the long run then it will return to haunt us in the near future in the form of climate change. Our contribution currently is negligible yet we are already facing the consequences.
Mazrat k sath Muzamil bhai...is se just kuch companies ki gariyan bik jae ge...lekin hmare msle udr hi rhen ge ...education pe jb tk focus nhi ho ga na apni machinery ho ge...na apni i dustey ho ge....just consumer rhen ge hum..
What if government apply on Tax that and net metering changes to Gross metering ....even if you consume low or no electricity you have to pay the full bill
Sir, I appreciate your valuable suggestions and solutions to overcome the economic crisis, but Pakistan is already experiencing an energy crisis. Okay! Take an example: if the government is willing to implement your suggestions, do you believe the government is able to restructure the entire electricity system? It would be very costly. On the other hand, we are under the pressure of IPPs' agreements and more.
Bro iss men Shor term k liye Government ka Qarza ghatane k liye ,hum petrol ka Agreement Iran ya Afghanistan se karen to kam se kam hum 150 RS par leter tax le sakte hen Awam se .
I was also working for last few days on a potential idea. As i am solar electricity producers, if i buy electric car and use it for ride service. I can earn good amount from this model. And it will benefit our country, as one car consuming galsoline will reduce. What do you think?
Wapda men corruption bhee irnee zayada he k kya hee batayen, Matlab aam Line men bhee involved he, our 300 Units jo hum wapda mulazmeen ko dete hen wo agar Textile our Export karnee walee industry ko den to Kya khayal he?
Muzamil Sb, Suki Kinari is a hydel power project. Price of Unit is 12cent which translates into 36 rupees (x price). Now this is tooooo much, as the similar project in India is producing on 4 cent per Kwh. I think we need the market competition in power sector. Everybody should have the freedom of producing and consuming. Govt. should not interfere. They should, rather, come out of those cruel agreements with IPP's.
Environment tax on petroleum would be impossible for the government to do, and the biggest beneficiary of petroleum sales is PSO, which is a cash cow for the government with no circular debt problem in that field, compared to the entire electricity field ridden with debt. One very practical solution is for government to sell off every power distribution, to different groups of companies so that they compete with each other for the best capitalistic efficiency and they secure their own electricity contracts with the power providers, so the government doesn't have to deal with the circular debt.
Muzammil bhai I’m sure you have made an error in your research. No one’s perfect! A very basic fuel efficient EV fully charged gives about 400 km and consumes around at minimum 75 KWH(unit), which gives us 5km per unit. What your saying is 5km for 100 Rs
With EVs maybe we'll resolve capacity charges problem, but it may trigger another issue: LOAD SHEDDING. Because we wouldn't have enough supply to fulfil the demand
I don't understand how you compared per-kwh price of electricity with per-liter price of petrol. I'm an electrical engineer and i know that even the most energy efficient EVs range only 7-9 km per kwh whereas a fuel-powered car of the same size can reach upto 25km per liter. So, considering the price of Electricity as 100 rupee per unit, running cost ofEVs is slightly higher than petrol cars. I think that's a little miscalculation on your part. Other than that, great video 👍👍👍
We cannot fully convert all the vehicles to Electric I think it is impossible but we can introduce them but the thing is that it will need so much investment from companies to invest in charging stations. Moreover capacity charges can be minimized if we export electricity to central Asian countries. Now i can understand why govt was deciding to reduce net monitoring . Solar has gone on a boom in Pakistan as Some people are involved in business and it is also costing us capcity charges so the only solution which I can think of is exporting electricity but again that will have its cost all the infrastructure will have a cost. It is again a spiral . Maanda Phansa han
Brother why EVs? Why cant we make load shedding to zero and all these offices and industry start using electricity instead of solar... & it will reduce the capacity payment
There should be some limit to even to dreaming. Pakistan is chronically and severely short of electricity for every day domestic use but now someone is thinking of electric cars and their manufacturing as well.
i think this is a brilient idea, We can start from motor bikes shifting them to electric bikes, this can be really simple as most of models in Pakistan are primarily cd70 and honda 125 cc. companies like jolta already working on electric bikes, we would not have a problem with electric bikes production. we can build cost effective battery replacing stations where bike riders will come and their batteries would be replaced by fully charged batteries.
EV's are a good idea, but they're not the fix to this problem. They could solve a small part of it. Why? 1. Mehran drivers cant afford EV's.The BYD Dolphin is £30,000 in the UK. 2. Electricity supply is unreliable. 3. Charging infrastructure is non existent 4. Pakistan is a massive country, travelling across it in EV's without huge infrastructure is too difficult. 5. The extreme temperatures we face will impact EV performance 6. Even in the West EV sales have fallen. I think a better solution is hybrid cars. We should start slowly, all rickshaws and bikes within urban spaces need to be electric or hybrid. Otherwise they pay a hefty charge to operate. Do the same for buses and mini vans. Then start on private cars. Also to help this we need to relax import duty on older hybrid cars, let people import Priuses cheap to get the industry started. It will have part of the same benefit, but it will also severely reduce air and noise pollution in our cities.
The other thing we need to change is our vehicle intensive culture. We need more buses, more rickshaws and passenger vans, and less cars on the road. Companies should be asked to adapt a "WFH first" culture offering remote working for roles where it is suitable. Lets think ahead of the curve.
@@Shakeel_._AhmedWhat Pakistan need in this hour is an efficient Public Transport System like India ! What Pakistani Automobile Society need is SUV's not Sedans ! SUV's r more efficient in the geographical terrain of Indian Subcontinent! High Speed Railway Service to divert traffic (But should improve the quality of Pak Railways in a leap frog manner ) !
bhai uskay sath industry bhi chaiya skilled labour mu dekhaygi kiya.Industry lagao sub set hojayega.abhi itnay engineers hamaray pass farigh bethay hain jobs na honay ki waja say.
would say that probably the biggest challenge in introducing electric vehicles in pakistan would be establishing the proper parts supply along with widespread charging stations. For the latter, we can start by putting them mainly in high use areas (motorways, major cities) and go on from there, but each would require a substantial amount of dedication and investment
Ev produces vicious cycle, battery is main component of ev with efficiency still tailing behind combustion engines….but to produce battery and to even operate it , require the such consumption in electricity from national grid that will have disastrous overhead for overly populated country like Pakistan….ev only has one plus point compare to combustion engines is that ,parts replacement will be significantly less in ev because of less carbon emission and less erosion….but ev isn’t a game changer as projected in western media, it will be highly cost inefficient compare to fuel cars….miles per gallon is still an efficient metric than kilometer per kilowatt hour….the later requires high charging time compare to very less tank filling time, the people here aren’t taking into account such factor coz western governments have subsidized ev to increase its production and sales….ev isn’t a game changer coz it still have to follow basic thermodynamics and physics and will create more problems than solutions
In your neighborhood We're getting electricity for Rs3/unit for upto 300 units and at maximum of above 700 units the cost goes to Rs7/unit. This is in the state of Haryana.
Not a bad solution but these are long term plannings. A PM doesn’t even know if he will be sitting on the chair tomorrow morning and here you are talking about a 10-20 year plan. If fauj lets them complete their term they might think about long term projects.
Why aren't you talking about P@l3st1ne crisis? You can condemn youm-e-takbeer on basis of our nuclear power being useless; but what about your 311k subscribers strong account? Doesn't same apply here as well? Putting up a tweet on X isn't enough.
Youm-e-takbeer manany wale agr nuclear energy se cheap electricity bana len to koi faida ho jae... Electric cars se koi faida nai hona... Range anxiety is a real thing. Electric bikes se kuch difference a skta... agr deliveries wgera k liye use hon Is trh logo ko zyada electric vehicles nzr ae gi... or phr shaed electric ka trend shuru ho jae
for those mentioning lack of technicians for electric, that problem will be automatically solved when electric vehicles will become famous and widely used