Will EU5 Launch with MORE CONTENT Than EU4? 

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I wish this to be true but I can see release state of HOI4, Vic3, CK3.

What people really want is flavor, it doesn't matter how many features you have if all nations feel the same to play.

0:19 little precedence is an understatement, people already complained about that in the transition between EU3 and EU4, it's been the business model they continue to this day

0:31 "I do think eu5 is gonna have more content at launch than eu5 has right now" I mean, you aren't wrong

Press X to doubt. I remember CK3's launch and that same promise. Please forgive me for being skeptical.

CK3 will have all the ck2 content and dlc already added.... Then it didnt

22:52 the thing about the myth of Asian discovery of the new World is that people don’t understand what they were trying to do. Unlike Portugal or Spain, China wasn’t looking for new trade routes or spices or anything, they already had those things. China was sending their grand fleet to show their imperial strength to places who already were giving tribute to them. And they sent militarised fleets with treasure to try and establish new tributaries. They already new there weren’t any possible states pass Japan. So there’s no way or reason they would have gone east.

Judging by all the other Paradox games that came out in the last.... 15 years? I do not belive them a word. EU5 will need another 6-7 DLC's to make it playable and it will cost us $200-$250+ You guys buy what you want, I no longer falls for the Paradox trap.

I’m at a point where I’m just following along. No high expectations, but no low ones either. I’m just gonna see what it looks like when it comes out

yea I'm not holding my breath on this one, didnt they say the same for ck3?

Yeah I'll be honest. His claim that the game would have as much or more content as EU4 a few weeks ago instantly turned me from cautiously interested to *grabs popcorn* "can't wait to see how mangled this fetus comes out looking."

The Ming treasure fleets may have gotten pretty far down into Africa and Indonesia but they didn't really head straight out to sea. It seems pretty implausible that they would have continued through some area like Siberia where they didn't find people along the coast. The piont of the expeditions were kind of to show how cool their stuff where giving it away to other people and to take some cool stuff back. There's not much of that in Siberia or Kamtchatka.

People look at games like eu4 which have been under development since 2010 and costs hundreds of dollars for the dlc and expect eu5 a game which will not cost hundreds of dollars and has not been being developed for 13 years to have the same feeling while completely redesigning the core mechanics and engine. Hopefully eu5 doesn't need to restart when you hit main menu, the multiplayer can get above speed 3, the game is more deep feeling, and hopefully it is more accessible to new players who are interested in the genre than eu4 was. I just hope it is fun and playable regardless of how it compares to eu4.

If they have a precedent for doing it before... several times... then gee i wonder why they think that. :l I'll believe it when it releases. Its cool they seem like they are trying to make a bombshell game, but huge x to doubt. Not pre ordering anyway. I'll wait a few days or a week after it comes out even.

Would've liked to see the quote: "I die, but the state will always remain.", from King Louis, whereas "l'état, c'est moi" is more a popularised version from decades after the fact.

There are 2 options for paradox games: 1- you release incomplete game and after 5/6 years of DLC it's finally in a 8/10 state. 2- you release a "complete" game with a lot of mechanics and content, but , FULL OF BUGS, then after 5/6 years of DLC, most bugs are finally fixed. There is 0% chance the game will be feature complete, with plenty of content and mechanics, and with no bugs or just minor bugs.... 0% chance.

00:05 Put playback speed on 1.5x and Ludi becomes to Cartman

I will wait and see and continue to play EU4. After a few years I'll buy everything in the steam sale and hopefully I'll like it. But my trust in Paradox is unfortunately destroyed.

It feels like the institutions should be able to spawn in multiple places as long as the requirements are met (coast of china, africa & europe for colonisation, meritcracy etc.)

"This time it will all be ok guys. We promise." Press X to doubt...

Just in case anyone is still wondering, Derby is a location in England, a bit to the west of Nottingham.

I don't believe it before I see it ! ^_____^

Victoria 3 came out two years ago and is still barebones. I don’t believe Paradox at all

0:32 no s**t EU5 is gonna have more content at launch then EU5 has now

I am so happy to se you getting back on your videos and streams. Lots of huggs and love to you my friend ❤

oh look, another video where Ludi tries to get a top job at Paradox Interactive ;)

I love Pradox games, but lets be honest - they have a business model that is based on releasing unfinished games. And as they are a public company now - this sh1t ain't gonna change.

Gosh, I was waiting for Ludi! Thank you, man

I like hear your opinion which reprent vanilla players so well. I have about 4000hrs on this game and I never tried multi tag changes, or -90% cost core creation, and this kind of things.

Fun Fact about the Templars. They also establisehd a system for pilgrims, where the pilgrims gave their stuff to the Templars and in return got the worth of their properties back when they arrived in the holy land. But since many people died on the journey, the templars just kept the stuff and became even richer

It probably won't have as much content than EU4. But I'll buy the game either way, I know paradox games takes time to build up and end up being good if they're supported. I hear that people don't like DLCs but that's what made EU4 last over a decade and it's still my favorite game as of today.

I'm reserving my hype, and no pre order

They didn't have "precedent" with that, it was a common thing in ALL their games. It looks like the same thing we had at the CK3 launch, where people were amazed by the promised 40+ religions, 80+ cultures, and so on, just to get something half-baked in the end. Anyways, after all the years of playing Paradox games, I found out that Paradox is kinda sux in making games; it is usually the mods that fix all the shit.

With the joke on the name, I say it's not imposible that they name the game Magna Mundi. It would even make more sense.

how much did they pay you to say that, Ludi?

i agree with you Ludi on the topic of prerequisities of spawning institutions! It really should be exactly as you said, that would be awesome :)

11:22 Ah yes, A whole *1 month* for the age of traditions

I know all the jokes about Sweden not being overpowered, but I feel like they got jibbed out on Pike and Shot and Conscription instutions historical spawning.

Having the Enlightenment historically spawn in Paris is not really historically accurate, as the Enlightenment did actually start in Edinburgh, Scotland

YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE DERBY IS????!!!! (Here's your comment Ludi, thanks for the vid)

28:05 I think Derby is the one which is an English city

Something I just realized is that since the start date is so much earlier where the Black Plague is something that the old world will have to deal with in-game, it means that there will be a structure available to mimic the diseases that will get spread to the new world natives.

I don't expect "more content". While many core features will be here, I suspect regional flavour will be light without a regional DLC. Granted, situations will already add something but unique mechanisms may be very limited.

27:41 pronounced dar-by, its in the middle of England and was a province in eu4 28:20 i fell for it

Derby is in the UK

One of the developers specifically said they are not going to announce the game this year.

Social values are the new idea groups? And it determines if you can get certain institutions. Interesting.

Institutions should definitely be nation-specific at least in terms of where they start. For example maybe you can get them to spread after learning them from other nations if you don't spawn new ones, maybe through events or something.

EU5 seems to just be fundamentally better in every way than EU4, but EU4 has also had over ten years of consistent development from Paradox (plus however many it took to make the game itself) as well as modders. EU5 will not have more content, but it will probably quickly end up being the better game if things go according to plan (as opposed to games like Vic 3 which I see as fundamentally inferior to Vic 2).

Hey Ludi! Its going to take like 5 years after release to be guud maaaaan

After the disappointing launches of Imperator: Rome and Victoria 3, they usually aim to recapture the audience's interest by offering richer content right from the beginning.

I liked your idea of prerequisites for spawning institutions. For some of them, it might be necessary for your Area, Region, Trade Node to meet required prerequisites. That would make more than just your nation have to be developed and advanced to have a chance.

I think a good idea is to slow the rate that institutions spread but have multiple spawn locations for places that meet it. Like if the case Japan or China start colonizing.

Landlord not caring how you are and wanting more money? Sounds familiar

2:20 It wasn't that simple. In the XIV and early XV centuries, most costs of fielding an army were put on the knights. So if there was a need some Kingdoms would field quite impressive armies. Once professional and semi-professional soldiers took over, the costs of war borne by states increased dramatically which often led to the size of the armies being decreased.

I would love to see historical figures boosting technologies or institutions. As thinking of enlightenment I first thought of Königsberg with Immanuel Kant instead of Paris but ig Paris was a bit earlier with Rousseau and others

24:10 it's saltPETER not saltpepper Ludi!🤣🤣

Hi, for professional army being in Paris it mostly because the "modern" profesional army army model and system began in France at these times, sure the professional and permanant army as we conceptualise pretty much always existed with the biggest example being Rome. But the type of system, model, organisation that we have touday mostly began in France and soon will be proven outperforming everyone before being copied by litteraly the whole world. Capitaine : Captain Caporal : Corporal Colonel : Colnel Infanterie : infantry Système divisionnaire : Division organisation Système de corp d'armée : Corp army organisation And so on... Here is your explaination mate

More content doesn't matter if that content is shallow.

The way institutions worked in EU 4 are miserable. Playing outside of Europe, needing to dev up institutions and then giving them to everyone around you for free felt terrible.

Random reminder that you still owe us the eating haggis video

Its not about having less content but about having *enough* content to start the journey with

I suspect most of the Age of Tradition institutions will be fairly widespread across the Old World, though not meritocracy as much. In the New World I suspect that the Incan city-states will have legalism, the Nahua cities shall have feudalism, meritocracy may exist in the Tlaloxans or some specific city states in the Nahua, Maya, and/or Inca regions. Cahokia might have legalism, as it was still around at this point although declining. In fact much of the south-Eastern US should have extensive farmland from the various Muscogee Creek groups (they have fairly direct ethnic to the Maya) with extensive earthworks and copper (sometimes bronze) working. I agree army professionalism was very much a thing already among the Romaioi and I'd argue among the Chinese as well, and in Western Europe the Condottieri serve as the basis for later Italian professional armies and Italian warfare was at the forefront of Europe for many centuries so they may make a good spawnpoint. Also big agree on the Exploration institution being available on any coast far enough East or West. (Also what about going to Australia as the Majapahit?!?!)

how can you think that this time it will be different blows my mind. Do they have to release another 5 unfinished games until some people learn? Unbelievable.. They said the same thing with CK3 and a bunch of other games. They rerelease their games and add 20 DLCs on top of that. THAT is their business model.

thanks for video ludi, hopefully they are standing behind that... meaning that eu5 isnt garbage at release like other games were, and that they want dlcs for money... only game i might ever buy are games like elden ring or like baldurs gate 3... a full fledged games... not this releasing dlcs every few months to fill in gameplay instead of doing that before... again thanks for video, cheers from Serbia Ludi :D

Comment over Feudalism at 15:00 is like first Ottoman cannons to medieval age

It would be cool if each region had their own ages, because China, Japan, the Middle East, Africa especially had different ages compared to Europe. But its already good in my opinion

What I need is that the CORE MECHANICS are fleshed out. Focus trees and what not, I don't care. Leave it to DLCs to flesh out regions but the core, core gameplay loop needs to work and be in a pretty much finished state. In Hoi4 for example this one was only achieved with the waking the tiger DLC which was absolutely massive. In neither Vic3 nor Ck3 do I see this being the case to this day. Neither have a fully fleshed out core gameplay.

Remember when buildings costed mana? Boy was that genuinely the worst

Derby is in England UK

Sounds nice to have these techstitutions spawn in 1 place, but the runners up don't get nothing. To have a relative bonus to spread based on eligibility means you don't have to wait decades or heavily invest into random places just to not fall behind. It's fun to spawn Colonialism on Japan and completely dick over Europe, but it's also a massive abuse of the game mechanics to gain an advantage that cannot be historically justified. Japan colonizing the South Pacific with a very ahistorical zeal should not completely lock Spain out of technological advancements, unless they develop a city beyond all reason. The way it stands, you seem to get a techstitution if and when you create the environment in which it should develop. But not all of them at the same time in the same place and without massive penalties.

If the pre-requisite for spawning New World is discovering Azores and the West African coastline, wouldn't make more sense fror the historical location to be Lisbon? It could also be changed to require discovering the New World, although I don't know how that would work with the Greenland colonies at the start of the game

21:00 historical location should be Paris if Constantinople falls but otherwise you’re right.

I hope the random institution mode doesnt make hard achievements require a ton of save scumming to get an institution to spawn in east asia for three mountains or something

They should make devastation and being at war effect your institution spawn chance. Or..maybe establish different institutions for different parts of the world and then having global trade be something that links them.. then have various branching institutions that can be pushed and assimilated globally if you have enough influence.

Paradox Studio should develop an early game/alpha/beta releases aproach to their games. There is so much out of our community base players who are grateful and are enjoying their games. They cant rationally win an argument whether they should test their game to most loyal followers before they launch it. We could easily avoid these suspicions...

Global trade should spawn somewhere in India or China in the historical setting, probably in Bengal if we are being fair. Bengal Sultanate/Subah was the largest exporter of goods in the pre industrial world, accounting for 12% of the worlds GDP and literally was the reason for the formation of the Dutch East India Company, which would become the largest company in human history by the end of that century (and then also go bankrupt lmao)

As a Belgian, I think the printing press should have as historical location Aalst.

I think think that its gonna have more depth on release than eu4 has now. What i bet is gonna be missing, that people are gonna dislike is flavor for countries

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"This isn't me fishing for comments." And this isn't me commenting for the algorithm.

5 years? That's crazy man. It's more like 10 years

Surely. That only happened to EU4, HOI4, CK3, Victoria, Imperator, Stellaris so there is no reason to be doubtful about it.

given what they did with CKIII I'm not believing it until after they release and they actually do it, they still haven't implemented a bunch of shit in CKIII that should have been launch features.

09:44 I agree with what u said about spawning institutions... it really helps where in eu4 u can spawn it as player wherever you play... but hey maybe this can make the game more interesting, but i think they would need to think this through if they go with this type of spawning...

09:50 In addition to the province value, something like professional armies should partly depend on having conducted military reforms or having a ruler or staff in court that is militarist.

Hey Ludi wasn't Derby UK and not USA? Since Derby UK was the site of the first water-powered silk mill in Britain. In 1771?

Simple gamey strategy will be to play historical and capture all institutions spawning locations before they spawn.

Imperator: Europa is looking great.

Many if the institution are more "rediscovered" since as u mentioned many were present for example in ancient Rome. Regarding the money lending, it was "frowned upon by Muslims and Christians, but usury was forbidden" As for the Renaissance, it was a combination of Byzantines fleeing to Europe, and the reconquest of iberia and the preservation of ancient Greece writing by Muslims scholars in Andalusia

Ck3 has been out for 3.5 years and i still think it has less content than it should have had at release. so i dont have big hopes for eu5

My computer will die with all that sweet mechanics.

Imagine if in the end it they accually call this game Project Cezar and not EU5

I really think that the best system of country development as a playable and distinct experience - HOI4 did it best. You just choose top 5-10 most interesting countries and reaaaally make them interesting and worked in depth. And with new dlcs you just add more xountries and mechanics. You can also play other countries, but they will have 'standard dev tree'

I would happily dish out 250 euros for a well developed EU5 at launch. But I know that most people can't or won't, and Paradox knows this too, so that's why they have to make the game in parts. It makes complete sense. You can't get as much content in a new 60 euro game as in one that over the years has cost perhaps 250, unless the player base has at least quadrupled. Which might actually be true, so here's hoping for that 🤞

The artillery used byt the French and Turks was pretty stationary though, more like siege equipment than field artillery though.

can't wait for this to be a ER:2

I think the institutions should be a lot more fluid with requirements for them to to spawn, pop, dev and building etc. And While I agree that the Byzantines and to a lesser extent china already practiced many of these institutions I think that it's inevitable that many of them aren't centered there for balance and real life experience. A good example is the renaissance, where Ideas previously existed were reevaluated in a new light under new circumstances. Such with the exodus of Greek romans to Italy, or larger kingdoms seeking an ever sharper edge over their adversaries and taking new and old ideas alike, taking them to the extreme. Another great example is the gao kow(?) or the imperial exam in china that has been in place for eons where as Rome to my knowledge never had a system close to it and as far reaching, giving Beijing the origin status. My reasoning for France being the birthplace for professional armies in Europe is it's large power that historically dominated the continent in one way or another until the world wars. Which while not the first, or even the best- played a bigger influence in the spread of the institution and practice than the Byzantines ever could. The sole exception to this is the the ottomans who inherited the byzantine systems giving them their own renaissance of sorts under the turks.

Kept saying it. Eu4 had most dlc and flavor up to EU3 divine wind. It's why I'm bullish on eu5. .... and kept shitting on EA overall and especially Sims series, they keep resetting every game. wish they kept most dlc game to game, to force actual innovation.