Will Stefano Ghisolfi Downgrade Silence? 

Just to confirm and make things totally clear, I never climbed the full crux (I climbed the crack,the 'easy' part to the crux). And I will never climb the full route, it's way out my league 😂👍

Must have been addressed, as it just worked fine for me!

Works fine on my phone

An example of the latter is terranova in that it seems to suit Adam much better than will bosi

Fascinating! And cool. Tho I think the discussion here is far more interesting than the headline.

@@thestruggleclimbingshow then it probably deserves a better headline.

I would agree, for your arguments and I think Jakob has only done one 9b+ so he might not just have the breadth of experience granted on the few 9b+s to say what's a big enough step up. Adam's comment also sort of implied 9b+. But saying that there is only a handful of 9b+, it's still very much the cutting edge!

I agree, as a solid 6b+ climber I think BIG is hard 9b+ at most

Different things make a route harder: technical difficulty (awkard body positions, balance, flexibility...) required power and required endurance come to mind. BIG's main difficulty is endurance. If it requires endurance beyond any 9b+ and has sufficient other difficulties then 9c is justified. If you have that endurance you will need less time projecting it then a route that is difficult because of its technical difficulties so just because Jakob didnt spend years on it doesn't automatically make it less hard then other 9c's.

I assume Adam will complete it relatively shortly, or by next season and possibly downgrade.

I totally agree, and also I have another point: Both Jakob and Adam said it's 9b+, when they thought after the long crux move the route would be basically done. Then Jakob fell after that move, and - in the live stream - said, it could be 9c THEREFORE. But then something happend: Conditions got colder, and the sloper before the crux move became much better (he said it in the streams), and Jakob could have a fair bit of rests and shakes there, and then he never fell there again. And so, I can see not why the original assessment 9b+ shouldn't be just correct. Probably it's on the hard side of 9b+, and will eventually get a 9b+/9c grade.

LOTS of climbing talk in the 90 min interview… and in this clip.