Will the Sony FX6 give us 6K on the FX9 ? 

I agree 100%, Sony has painted themselves into a corner here. I think they have to take another look at that codec and develop something new that can utilize the entire sensor and more than 60fps. The Raw output solution is a complete joke on the FX9... buying the extra pack and a Shogun 7 comes out to be about the same price than buying the Sony a7siii with a ninja V... Give us 12bit raw out on the camera body itself and 16bit raw out on the extra pack.

I agree. Let's see what they do.

Another fantastic informative video. Also, let me know where the Cameraman’s Arms is!

again a great review !! @Norway

and now the fx3 coming out soon 😅

I am crazy for buying DSR 570 ws.... cheap.... Damn heavy... with wireless mics and a shotgun... I would love one of those FX beauties or even a Sony A7 III

Im a Canon fanboy and this is my first video I've seen of your but you got a new sub from me great content. I've never been so eager for a Sony Camera lol

I concur fully with your thoughts, another good explanatory video.

I think the main competitor and comparison for the FX6 will be the RED KOMODO which is 6k and offers Red RAW. Yes it’s a S35 sensor but still that’s the two I think most people will be deciding between. And I agree not having internal RAW recording is not acceptable anymore when there’s small cheap cameras like BMPCC that have had it for over a year

Not even a 6K sensor on the FX6. Really enjoy your videos... and really enjoy my FX-9! Cheers

Indeed. Your thoughts echo my own on the matter. IMO the most likely direction Sony can take so as not to cannibalize any of their existing line is to put the A7Siii 12MP sensor in the FX6 along with the variable ND of the FX9. That along with a couple XLR inputs would make it a very powerful run-n-gun camera, and the FX9 can keep its exclusively oversampled 6K senor. Price it out at ~$6K and it becomes a heavyweight competitor to the C70 and Komodo.

Thanks for encapsulating my frustrations with the camera! As an FX9 owner we need more videos like this that apply public pressure for Sony to protect early adopters. The FX9 is a great camera, but the way that the a7S III and (potentially) FX6 cannibalize the market for the FX9 is a bit insulting. I really think that the camera can differentiate itself if it receives extensive firmware updates like the F55. Hopefully Sony listens!

I am holding off on A7s iii until we know what FX6 specs would be. FX6 will have to compete with Red Komodo and so many other Cine Cameras in terms of price, which all offer internal RAW from BMD to Z Cam.. If it has everything A7siii has and internal RAW at similar price to Red Komodo it would do really well in the market.

I'd take 6k.. but - I would demand a new 6k sticker to cover over the 4k label - so everyone knows that my camera is better than all the other pretenders out there. 4k is so 2018.

I think that the fx6 is the same censor and processor of the a7s mark iii but with xlr , 12g sdi , timecode connectors and fysek buttuns.

Great video, as always... I think you're missing a major point, however. The FX9 and the Sony alphas are made by 2 different business units. Neither really know or care what the other is doing, which is why the a7s iii is so competitive with the FX9 at 1/3 the price, and why the a7s doesn't have things like a cinetone color profile. I think you're giving Sony far too much credit if you think they have a grand strategy that includes both lines. I doubt that's the case, though as an owner of both cameras, I hope you're right! :) Thanks again...

Interesting to see what Sony does, there was much more difference to FS5 and FS7 previously. Although I wanted an FX9, for most things with the XLR-K3M, the a7s iii does everything I need of it except for built in ND which would be a killer feature on an mirrorless body. For bigger jobs we'll perhaps still rent an FX9 or similar to get SDI for directors monitors and speed but for 99% of my work stuff (which includes stills making the a7s iii the perfect choice) I'd struggle to justify an FX9 or even FX6. We ordered an A7s iii in the end but that could be down to my specific use case, but having previously used a F5 for so many years I do like a full fat video/cinema camera, and i think the FX6 is still in need of "building up" to be a shoulder camera like the FX9.

Cool.

What a year for cameras Paul! Every time I think “this is the one” I hold off because something else comes around the corner. C70, Komodo, FX6, S1H, S5, to name just a few of the major contenders and I have a feeling that as soon as Sony release the FX6, Canon will suddenly tease the rumoured C90. Then to top it off Canon’s R1 is also rumoured to be the ultimate ‘beast’ hybrid! The advantage of delaying my decision to commit is that every month that goes by puts my budget up to have even more frustrating choice possibilities. 😂🙏🏾

I agree. Sony need to give their spectacular 16-bit X-OCN RAW codec to the FX9 and FX6. If they cannot do it internally (due to hardware limits or copyright infringements), then with an affordable add on. The fact that Sony still depend on another company, Atomos, to provide RAW to basically all their cameras (besides VENICE and F55) is kind of baffling today. X-OCN is very, very good, and Sony need to stop holding it back from their users. BMD realized what RED did in the beginning with their R3D RAW and created BRAW and I think Sony need to do the same and really push their X-OCN to the masses.

Beeing a braw addict, all of these different cameras\prices making it so difficult to choose my next autofocus camera. Spoiled with choices, yet nothing seems like "the best" choice. Will be interesting to see what the fx6 ends up beeing. Also wonder when\if blackmagic joins the autofocus evolution

good analysis

Sony A7SIII + Grip + Cage + Sound Devices Mix Pre II (mounted on the bottom) + NTG4+ + Atmos Ninja 5 with the SDI/NDI modules and some straps custom cables etc. Or just go buy a Blackmagic 12k I guess? 😅

Simply by price, there is a lot of room for the FX6 below the US$11k price of the FX9, but what features would the marketing department hit with the cripp...er, disability hammer to create a device in the FX6 that doesn't cannibalize FX9 sales? The rumors I see expect a full frame sensor, not S35, so that doesn't take much away, though a "native 4k sensor" rather than downsampled 6k might be a small "downgrade." The variable ND that can be driven by auto-exposure is the single standout feature of the FX9 to me (a non-Sony person) so that's an obvious cut. At the same time, the FX6 MUST have 4k. Maybe exclude DCI 4k? Arbitrarily limit higher frame rates in firmware? I think Sony's current excellent AF would be a given, so no real advantage for the FX9 there. Sony generally is pretty heavy with hammering on limits internal recording - I'm amazed how many models were limited to 8 bit on the more "consumer"/mirrorless side, so they might crippl... er, limit the abilities on the front front of format/bit rate/bit depth somewhat. It's possible that 6k output on the FX9 isn't a hardware limitation and they'll simply "unlock" it one day in firmware, but that would be a pretty extreme example of a company arbitrarily hitting a product with the "disability hammer" for market segmentation at release then "poof!" un-hammering it later.

So your theory is that Sony is going to turn on 6K for FX9, b/c the A7siii is so good and with the release of the FX6 upcoming, how will they sandwich that in FX6 b/t those 2 models.. U think they will give you 6K so they don't make Fx9 users mad... But that is NOT going to happen b/c think about all the Sony VENICE users who paid $50K for a camera for a 6K camera.. And now the Fx9 has 6K and AF, lol.. Not gonna HAPPEN until new Venice 8k comes out. Then possibly they will offer 6K upgrade to Fx9, but tbh, the Fx9 may not even be able to do 6K processing.. It couldn't do 6K raw out without extra processing power from the XDCA ! Plus the rolling shutter is pretty bad on the FX9.. The Sony A7siii is in a corner b/c it has better RAW options that FX9 at 1/4 the price.. ur talking $16K for FX9 raw.. so what Sony wants you to think is you got dual ISO on FX9, ( Sony a7siii has it too, 640 iso, 128000 iso), but they don't advertise it.. Yea Fx9 has XLR and AUTO ND.. But I can get there with a polar pro matte box and xls k3m.. And unlike you, I actually did sale my FX9 to get A7siii and don't regret one bit.. A7siii is a best.. the rolling shutter is best in class.. and 4K 120, IBIS, active IBIS, and also GYRO data like FX9 is available. But Best thing is A7siii has the FX9 h264 codec, class 300 xavcI included in A7siii. Thank you Canon R5 !!! also Sony added h265, hs xavc , and its efficient, u need to use proxies or transcode it though but that will change with new APPLE MACBOOKS coming next year with t2 chip. But A7siii does 4K 120, does 16 bit raw ERGONICALLY, and the FX9 biggest problems are bad rolling shutter, and weak processing power... Thats why it couldn't do even 4K 60p with a full frame scan.. so IDK if it has power to do 6K scan at 24p and 30p ? it might be able to do with the xdcc which provides extra processing power.. My guess is that the FX9 uses similar componenents from the older FS7ii.. Those come from a similar cine line.. Fx9 also was rushed remember this !! Canon dropped c500ii and Sony answered quickly with firmware not even close to being finished.. So Sony did make a BIG mistake,, it was giving the A7siii the PRO CODEC of 10 bit 422 xavc I class 300 at 240mbps uptown 600mbps for 60p. Why I sold my FX9 also was the RAW xdcc was a joke. a damn bazooka for raw.. when a7siii can do 16 bit raw out to 12 bit log, to a lil ninja thru HDMI. that was nail in coffin, plus FX9 has weird green fringing and macro issues from CA. and this was with GM glass! The FX9 is a great camera, but its DR is nothing to ride home about, actually disappointed in cine 5d tests.. What holds it BACK is the fact there is NO INTERNAL RAW and NO INTERNAL prores 4444 .. But the Venice has it and u need to spend $50K for that. Sony always kept lower models with crappy codecs.. Never pro codec in A7 line.. until A7siii.. Sonys MISTAKE with FX6 now stuck in middle, is this.... They should have called the A7siii the FX3 !!! that would have solved there issue right there.. They could give it S cinetone and DCI 4K and treat it as a cine pro lineup.. Bc now with FX6, it cant have 4K 120p.. It cant have 6K.. its STUCK in bt!! So what will Sony do with it.. They will make it a mini FX9 and give it the class 300 codec xavcI 10 bit 422 240mbps for 24p. or will they go back to giving it only LONG GOP.. like they use to do.. Fs5ii had long gop! No All Intra ever! so the codec will be curious to see what Sony does.. it will be same as FX9, same sensor, same rates.. maybe no DCI 4K and only have UHD.. It won't have 4K 120p, and prob won't have 4K 60p with full scan, it will prob be same as fx9, 5K scan to 4k60p. What Sony needs to do is offer a flavor of prores 444 internally on FX9 !! With what canon did with c70, having no RAW could also allow Sony cover to have no RAW on fx6 and leaving that only for Fx9.. But at end of the day, Sony cant make every1 happy.. Think about how Venice owners would feel if Fx9 does 6K with AF and same color science.. But with that said, these cameras are getting older and new tech comes out and surpasses it.. I sold my Fx9 and got A7siii and couldn't be happier with my choice.. With $$ I saved, I was able to now invest in a Red Komodo which is a true 16 bit raw !! great color science and 16 + stops.. Best IQ I seen is RED or ARRI.. Sony is not there unless u buy a Venice.. DR is NOT there... cine 5d... DR tests and Rolling shutter are worst than A7siii.. but then again fx9 is 1 yr older than a7siii, and a7siii had a bunch of new tech and 2x processors.. The problem Sony made for themselves, was bc canon R5 hype, they put pro codec in A7siii... thank u canon !! not even canon put there pro xf xvc I codec in the R5 or R6, its just h265 and awful to edit atm. but Sony could have solved the problem with naming the A7siii the FX3 !!! but Sony thinks $9k price cost, $13K difference for RAW, but is that worth built in XLR and AUTO ND.. I really miss auto ND but polar pro works great, and xls k3m gives me 4 ch XLR built in ! plus its compact and small with great IBIS ! flies on gimbal and IQ is right there with FX9.. If I showed 100 ppl videos they are indistinguishable when graded properly! so my ? to you is why didnt you already sell your Fx9 already... Sony aint gonna step on their Venice 6K until the Venice 8K is ready.. prob. late 2021, with canon also closing in on 8K system.. Anyways that's my thoughts.. I don't regret choice at all, but different strokes for different folks.. get what is right for you! and by the way, the KOMODO I got isn't here yet, but its worth every penny! Cant wait to get it! IQ looks unreal! thx 4 great videos as always and sry 4 such long post.. had alot to say from my experiences.

I have a feeling that they will just piss off FX9 owners and offer 6K in a future update. I saw something in a review of a7siii that said it's completely different teams that work on the alpha cameras vs the cinema cams, although I find that hard to believe.

I'd say no, because the FX9 has "4K" silkscreen on the side. It was never meant to record 6K.

Any idea on when we might see the FX6 be announced?

If the FX6 causes FX9 sales to drop, i could possibly get one for less than $10K 🍾

It will be a Full frame camera but will cop 4k 60 1.5x and 1080 120fps will probably be cropped too. When do you think it will be released?

Do you think Sony will make a firmware update to make the FX9 compatible with cfexpress B cards? To my knowledge they are pin for pin the same as XQD cards. Surely the faster write speeds could open up some new frame rates or codecs ?

I wonder if the fx6 will not have XAVC Intra .. ? that would be quite a difference .. still useable as an A camera for some markets .. and ok as a B camera for the fx9 .. but leaving the fx9 with a clear advantage

Do you think the FX9 in cinetone creates a more cinematic image than say a Mavo LF - I don't think so based on what I've seen but would be good to hear from an operator. Thinking of replacing my URSA but definitely not with the 12k. It's currently between FX9/Mavo LF.

No 6K on the FX6!

I think it'll be the sensor size that is the big differentiator between the FX6 and FX9. But with a smaller sensor comes higher framerates, and possibly raw internal. The FX9 and A7sIII will have better low light, and the FX6 will have impressive specs and a small video body, perhaps lacking some of the ports that the FX9 has. Just my completely un-informed guess.

Great video, but who’s sawny? Do you SOWny? 😂

please what is the fresnel light behind you on the video ?

No fake mid-roll ad.... Dissatisfied 😒

Advocating for cripple hammers? Shame on You! Enjoy the good times you had with the FX9 and step aside please.

Why would anyone buy an FX9 when the Panasonic S1H is around? Sure the Sony has auto-focus but the Panasonic has better dynamic range, a Netflix approved internal codec, better colour science, 6K internal recording, 5.9K RAW output to the Ninja V and amazing image stabilisation. I personally wouldn't buy a Sony camera again after using the S1H. I have no idea Paul why you traded in your F5 for the FX9. Apart from the sensor the F5 destroys the FX9 in every way.

My guess is the FX6 will have the same or similar specs to the A7SIII, no CineEI, no Lut support, No XDCam paint menus. No Time code, No waveform, only histogram.

There is no perfect camera there is just the perfect price point $7,000-$8000, cinema line buy in

A global shutter should be a clear advantage.

"Surely the FX6 must be as good as the a7SIII." Common sense would dictate that, but I really fear we're all in for a giant letdown. I'm guessing the FX9 sensor with limited codec options. You'll get your XLR, your SDI, and your ND - but you won't get your 4K/120 or your amazing lowlight performance. It would be a crime not to offer at least 10-bit, but I dunno. Would love to be proven wrong... but unless it uses the a7SIII sensor (or something new/better), I don't see how the FX6 will be worth double the price.

One dislike from Sony

Can it record 444 12 bit color deep?