Do we have another twins on Monkey Hill ? Are they monozygotic or dizygotic ? Does nature leave enough crumbs for us to find out ? What are the issues facing them ? Will the two lil ones make it ? Altruism's finest instance.
I believe th mother who is caring for two babies is raising them both. Bless her kindness. That is a big job to take on. You can tell she loves them both very much...😊😊😊 ...Della
i think she saved an abandoned baby, or a mother passed and she saved a crying baby. i think its one or the other. she did what most mothers wouldn't do. glad it wasn't one like fleapicker who couldn't feed the baby. or a sterilized female. the baby lucked out with her for sure. what a loving mother. i keep thinking of scenarios. i know monkey's inc. made a video but i think she thought they were twins. but yes you can see the age difference between them.
I seen an adult monkey staying very close to them in the last video, too. If the baby left the mom early enough, maybe she/he doesn't remember their "bio" mom that he was taken from 😒 🐒
@@kathi2302 The female you saw has been sterilized. She is sidling up to this mom to get one of those babies. If she does, at this age, the baby will die because she would not give it back. This female cannot produce milk to sustain the baby.
Most of us saw Emily and the babies when MC featured them last week. There was a lot of conversation and guessing during that video. I was hoping one of the feeders had additional information. Hopefully Emily will produce enough milk to provide sufficient nourishment for both of them.
I worry that she won't produce enough, and even if she did, the baby boy - the stronger and more advanced of the two - is likely to dominate both nipples until they're empty, leaving the girl sucking on empties. Macaques seem to have no sense when a baby is starving - as evidenced by innumerable kidnapping-to-deaths I've seen before including one where a mum 'acquired' another frailer baby in addition to her own more robust baby (similar to this scenario).
@@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars if two babies are suckling, then she will provide the extra milk that's needed. Any healthy, normally lactating female should have no problems, providing they're receiving sufficient nourishment from their own diet. That's why a woman who births twins, or even triplets, can produce enough milk to feed them. Most mothers can produce enough to match the demand.
I think that this mother is not high up in the hierarchy. She takes her food away and eats alone. She was also chased away from the feeders at first. It's also interesting that Ameia was also low in the hierarchy. It's too bad that this troop isn't documented that much, and the members are not known well. If it was, Arroz and Monkeys Inc might be able to tell which female was missing and, therefore, the missing mom.
I thought the same thing. She seems unhappy that she has none, while Emily has 2. I wonder why they picked her to sterilize. She was probably caught during a cull
@@krischambers9021it’s a shame that they don’t at least let all the females have at least 1-2 babies. Having babies, especially a girl can influence your troop ranking as a female.😔
which troop is this, do you know who the mother is, toting these two? perhaps the mother of the other baby died in childbirth or rejected like Gail did Charlotte?
Rhesus macaque babies are so freaken adorable! This baby was very lucky it was adopted by a milk producing mother or they would have had zero chance of making it. Hopefully the feeders can get her a hamper or 2 this summer.
This could very possibly be a case of twin to twin transfusion syndrome. One baby is stunted because in utero they didn't get as much nutrition as the larger twin. Just a vets opinion. **Forgot to mention it is more common in new world monkeys. Studies in the 20 years or so has also revealed it can happen in non identical twins, as well as opposite sex twins.
MC had them on her channel, she named them Bambi and Breeze and Emily was feeding them quite well and appeared to be taking excellent care of both. The general belief is one is hers and one is an orphan.
@jennifer294 makes a great point. Not once in either show does Bambi coo or cry out for her mum. We’ve all seen the reactions of babysat lil ones & this isn’t it.
@@Darrenbrown68 I buying the theory of it being an orphan. That’s a lucky baby monkey to, because it has the real experience of nursing with a real monkey mom. It seems like not only vervets adopt.🥰
maybe the mother to one of them got sick after childbirth or an accident happened and the mother left her baby with her like audrey did with gia? or a mother abandoned one like charlotte? she is doing a good job like ameia did. hope she can keep it up. if she kidnapped one, i hope she gives it back, even though she is able to feed it. maybe the other female who is sterile, got sterilized after she got pregnant like essie did? so many questions not sure if they will ever get answered but it sure raises curiosity!
That’s what I’m thinking… she was fixed after giving birth. Bambi keeps trying to reach out to her and the fixed momma is on Emilys heels. It seems to make the most sense to me.
Fraternal (dizygotic) are not identical and can be different sizes. If she is the mother of both how will she protect them from other females just wanted to get their hands on one of them? I can barely watch this for fear of something bad happening.
So fascinating! What a beautiful mother. She seems young and fit and oh so vigilant. She seems to have several 'sisters' or aunts who want to touch the babies so badly. Beautiful babies too. Nullah Troop? Very interesting. Wonderful filming.
I believe their both hers. And it's not that baby #1 wants to get away, it's that it feels safe around mom to wonder and play. Like any kid it's curious. If they weren't she wouldn't allow both to nurse. Look what happened to Casi and calvin because it wasn't hers.
Those monkeys (cassie and that baby at angkor wat) are a different species, in a different part of the world and under much more stress. Why on earth would you assume just because one monkeys did something one way every other macaque will act the same and never act in an altruistic way?
Let’s hope this works out better than the sorry saga of Casi, Celine and Calvin where one baby (Calvin) was adopted then starved to death. At least there is no VO interference in this case because goodness knows what really happened with that group.
@@anngifford9053No shit Sherlock. Angkor Wat if I recall correctly. I am perfectly well aware of the difference in locations it is, however, the similarity in circumstances which I was comparing and commenting upon.
The VOs interfere with the monkeys so much we don't really know what is happening except that the VOs are horrid monkey abusers. Do not help them make money by watching their channels. They will show they are feeding 20.or so.orphan monkeys. What they do not show or say is that they killed the mothers so they would have orphans to show.
@@brendajohnson2300 Far more money to be made by drawing the drama out. The entire situation was stage managed by the VO’s, all three monkeys were victims of being manipulated and exploited. That is why this similar situation but without human interference is so interesting, let’s hope it works out happily for all the monkeys.
I hope the monkey that is following her doesn’t steal one as she can’t have babies. She has got close a couple times.. it seems like the little ones try’s to get away more. Like she is looking for her mom. Makes me mad that that one keeps trying to take one. Maybe the mom passed away
I have twins and one was 6lbs at birth and the other was 4 lbs so one could just be bigger. But I really think the boy is her biological baby and the girl is not. The boy seemed more content where as the girl seemed to want to get away at times. But either way, I wish them well 💞💞
I had twins and one was 6 lbs 13 oz and the other was 8lbs 3 oz the biggest twins in the history of the hospital up to that time. They will be 35 this year. ❤️❤️ I hope these two will do well with this mother. 🙏🏻❤️
Why do think that she can't be the mother of both? To me there appears to be a close resemblance & both look to be getting ample feeding time? Am confused
The ‘Fixed’ female is a concern, she’s definitely trying to take one of the babies, the boy seems to be her target. Fingers crossed both babies do well with their remarkable Mom!
Noto neste video que os filhotes não sai dos mamilos dela se um largo o outro gruda como fosse perder e logo o outro volta a grudar, coitada ja é dificil um imagina dois sugando a mulher o tempo todo. Coitada vai ficar couro e osso deste jeito pois já é magra.
That's a very good point, it seems like neither of the females are the mother of one of the babies, they don't show signs of it beyond just wanting to hold them and both babies are completely content with Emily. We don't know enough about this troop to distinguish if the supposed mother to one of the twins is still alive or not, so confirming if one is an orphan is improbable. Even though biological twins are a one in a million chance, I personally wouldn't rule it out completely.
But the girl looks closer to newborn, acts closer to newborn where the boy looks a bit older and acts a bit older. Glad to see her caring equally of both
Monkeys Inc. has a video up about these "twins", whom she calls Bambi and Breeze. Mother Emily is in Nullah troop. Monkeys Inc comments that they didn't think the babies were actually twins, but they didn't know how Emily had come by the one that isn't hers. Seems likely that the boy (the elder) is Emily's, as she wouldn't have had milk to feed the younger one until she had had the older one.
It seems as if baby one is looking around and wanting to find her biological mother, doesn’t it? She’s not in distress because she’s getting fed milk, but it definitely looks like she wants to go and find her mama. It seems like baby 2 is that monkey’s biological baby bc he is perfectly content. I wonder if baby one’s monther got hurt or died? But she definitely looks like she’s looking for her mama.
Wasn't Essie( pg w/Ernie) and recieved a tattoo.. but birthed her one and only, Ernie??? Could that had happened here too???nice mama to take care of 2!
Not GOING to have, she HAS HER HANDS VERY FULL. SHE SEEMS VERY AWARE OF HER SURROUNDINGS AND SHE'S SMART ENOUGH NOT TO TRUST ANYONE, BRAVO & RESPECT TO HER FOR THAT MUCH. PLEASE, DO KEEP US POSTED. I JUST HOPE & PRAY THAT IT ALL ENDS WELL FOR HER AND THESE TWO PRECIOUS BABIES IN THE LONG-RUN ⁉️😳🤪🤔❤️🤟💋♊
She looks very young this is likely her 1st birthing. It will get harder the bigger they get ,harder to keep hold of and they will need more milk . She seems like she maybe higher in rank which is good . I do hope the best for both babies and the young mother. She really is doing a great job especially handling and nursing 2 bundles of joy
We all can speculate as much as we ever want - only a DNA examination can explain what's going on here. And, Mr. AM, if you are acting on the assumption that only one is the biological child of this female, I may ask: What is assuring you that the boy is the one and not the girl??
Hong Kong has a program where they are trying to control the monkey population and sterilizing some of the monkeys that are: 1. are older, 2. Those with physical defects or major enjury, such as loss of limbs. 3. Monkeys that are not healthy will also be sterilized. If you think about it, male monkeys will mate with a sick monkey or an old worn-out monkey, rather or not she approves of mating or not. I guess It's a males world in the wild, too. 🤣 ❤❤❤
I have a question that has nothing to do with this video, but I've wanted to ask for weeks. :) A.M. Has any one ever done clinical studies that correlate the Camphor berries they eat to the monkey's excellent healing properties? I believe the U.S. has removed camphor from products due to poisonings in the 1980s, but before that I remember camphor being used in chapstick, and I always assumed it was for the healing properties. Any thoughts?
It is still used today tho a lot of it is synthetic. Non synthetic it was cut back from like 20 something percent to under 10 and certain versions of it are banned by the FDA. I don't know much about it just did a quick google search and then went to the FDA page. My ADHD did not allow me to remember much more than these few details so sorry if it was a wasted effort or if this helps you any sorry it wasn't more useful. Just a random dude bored so I figured I would give it a go, lol, have a great day.
@@georgemccune2923 Hey "random dude" . . . appreciate the feedback, and I wanted you to know that no "effort" is ever wasted. Even when it's boredom-driven. You have a great day also! 😊
@@marciaterry2002 I really can't speak to how much of a ban it was. I just remember them pulling it from my favorite chapstick back in the day. Good thing I stocked up on it, because I still have some. DOH! What's that 40 years later, you say!!?? Stilll works though, and haven't died . . . yet. 🤣
Although as rare as twin pregnancies in the literature, in the wild an infant who looses a mother shortly after its born has been known to be claimed by another mother who gave birth at nearly the same time andwhose instincts push it to pick up and start nursing the orphan that has lost a mother, and end up with a set of pseudo twins. This is raised as a question when twins are different genders (more rare than the rare twins which usually are the same gender) and dont resemble each other. Someone brought up the idea of twin to twin transfusion syndrome in utero, causing a size difference but in that case the results would have most likeky been that one would have been stillbirn or lost earlier in the pregnancy. If they both survived twin to twin transfusion syndrome, there should be mire resemblance and it does not explain what appears to be difference in development. If not born from two mothers a few days apart, and one is an orphan but was born before the other, giving one a head start on development. The only other possibility is that they are both babies she carried but because of any number of things, such as a deviated or bicorn uterus, the mother mated an concieved two separate pregnancies and their are two different fathers. The labor and birth of the one reaching term would likely cause the second one to be delivered within 24 hours, but a few days premature, would explain size difference, developmental differences as well as looking different and different genders. Both seem pretty active and have survived to an age where they both seem to be nursing robustly which means that a good milk supply should be established and they should do okay as long as mom gets food she needs and food are offered that the babbies can eat. However she ended up with 2 the real risk now maybe from any female who cant have babies who decides to take one from a mother it sees as having an extra and with 2 to care for may not be able to stop a kidnappping, which means one is going to be separated from milk it still desperately needs.
I've seen in pigtails that they kidnap, and mom won't fight hard, and she just follows until the thief gives a better chance to get the baby back, but that baby fights for mom.
They might look different because they've got different fathers. It's possible with fraternal twins. I don't know how likely it is, but it's another possibility to consider.
☝️⭐💯📌: THAT'S BECAUSE MOMMA , HAS HAD SAVED FOOD, TO KEEO HER NOURISHMENT, ECT, UP FOR THE BOTH OF THOSE BABIES. 😊☝️: SHE HAS FAITH, THAT, BOTH, AND HOSE BABIES, WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF. ☝️: MAYBE, THE BABIE GIRL, WAS/ IS A PREMIEE, ANYWAYS, ☝️BUT, I HAVE, TO SAY, THEY BOTH REALLY LOOK HEALTHY. ☝️YA'LL AND THE COMMUNITIES/ PEOPLE TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEM, WHICH MAKES, ALL THE DIFFERENCE.😊
If they're not twins wouldnt there be a lactating female in the troop with enlarged breasts? I would think with as much as you and Monkey's Inc are in the area, maybe the feeders too, someone would have noticed a lactating female without a baby. Maybe the mother died during childbirth? It's so beautiful to see the female taking care of both as her own. It doesn't look like a kidnaping. I would think one of you would have seen something unusual if it was.
☝️☝️: I BELIWVE, I HAVE SEEN THESE, SAMW VERY TWO BEFORE, SOOOH YEAH, 💯⭐: IT SEEMS, LIKE THEY HAVE BOTG HERS IRREGARDLESS, IN SO MANY WAYS. SHE'S, A 😊 FANTASTIC MOTHER, I CAN SEE, SOOOH, 😊I DAY: A. O.K.!!!!😊
Mum must be miserable. Hauling two babies around and right after she gave birth. Her very full pouches are now empty. Hoping that one of them isn’t kidnapped and starved.
She's a first time mum according to MC. Her being young is something positive I think because she got one daughter who wants to explore and her son who's on the verge to be one too. She needs strength to pull this off. 🤓🇸🇪
I think that tattooed female was pissed about life not being fair. She can't have even one year after year. And this mother has two. And I'm on the fence on them being twins. Either the other mother died and this female took on both babies. Or one baby just came out smaller and less developed. Thats not uncommon among species with multiple babies. But if she did adopt then the only reason the adoptee isn't freaking out is she's allowing it to nurse and is a bit to young to be solidly bonded with its mother. I don't know but am so excited to watch. There has been a mother with triplets but one died if ya wanna search it up. Longtails though.
They could very well be twins with the girl being the smaller of the two. There is no indication that these are not twins. I can see the argument for one being adopted, but I believe they are twins and possibly with different fathers and fertilized within a day of each other. One twin is always smaller. She certainly acts like they are biologically hers. Without proof of some other mother, I am inclined to believe they were both born to her.
😊I THINK, THEY ARE BOTH HER 🍼 BABIES, HER DIFFERENT COLORED HAIR, AND BECAUSE OF THE. BREED, THAT THEY ARE PERHAPS, TOOO, SOOOH, IT CAN HAPPEN, AND, PROBABLY BABLY EVEN: A WEEK APART, WHY NOT??☝️❓❓
I think tjey are hers but the boy is bigger it hsppends all the time in twin births my twin nephews were 2lbs apart when born one was 9lbs the other 7 lbs not only that if it is a orphan baby the baby must have been really brand new in order for the baby to not cry and want to get away.either way they are both her babies now.❤❤
❤I did some research on twin births in macaque monkeys and it’s extremely low….almost zero. But more interesting was about abusive moms vs non abusive and it seems monkeys who are stressed are more abusive and it tends to be passed on thru generations. Also young moms tended to neglect their babies more….they tested hormones etc but that didn’t really make a difference. ❤
Some poor mom is missing her almost newborn, hopefully she is so gung ho and keeps taking care of both or the mother gets more assertive to get her baby back. They are two different ages, they are not twins by any stretch of the imagination. At least she is protecting it from the other younger monkeys who would likey be very rough for a little one this young. She was collecting a crowd of sterilized females. If the foster has been with her for a while it is why it is nursing from her, there must haave been something really wrong with the bio mother. But it does still appear like the baby is looking around for it's mother.
She's probably dead or something really wrong happened when she gave birth so she abandon the baby. It do happens some times. When Elaine in Skull head's troop gave birth to Charlotte 2021 something went wrong. She gave birth during daytime and in the middle of the road. Rhesus macaques usually give birth in the early morning hours and up in a tree. Elaine left Charlotte on the road and she hasn't had a baby since. Something might have broken inside of her that need extended healing or she will never have a child again. 🤓🇸🇪
If the one doesnt let go of a teat long enough for other one to latch on. If they stayed on own teat side it would be fine. Supply and demand will emcourage more milk prodution.
Emily stole that baby Bambi from that fixed momma. That’s why she’s chasing Emily every where she goes. She had to of been fixed after giving birth like Essie was.
Maybe they are twins and the boy was bigger in the womb as often happens in humans as well as dogs and cats ect. That would make the girl seem younger.
