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Will there be life after Brexit? European law in the UK after March 2019 

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2 October 2018 - the Institute of European Law annual lecture 2018, University of Birmingham
Ian Forrester, QC, Judge at the General Court of the European Union addresses issues relating to Brexit and its effect on European law in the United Kingdom.
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@drottercat
@drottercat 6 лет назад
When you listen to someone like this you can appreciate that speaking slowly and carefully is perfectly appropriate when one really has something to say. In contrast to most of what comes to us by mass media.
@wavedash-
@wavedash- 5 лет назад
I'm happy that it seems like a lot of people appreciate the speed of his speech, but I'm stuck with 1.25x speed being a little too slow for me, and 1.5x speed being a little too fast. I wish RU-vid had more options there
@tannerwayne2107
@tannerwayne2107 3 года назад
instablaster.
@UngarischUebersetzer
@UngarischUebersetzer 6 лет назад
I love watching these kinds of seminars. It is a huge difference when actual experts speak and often it is completely contradictory to empty political phrases that you hear in the news...
@searchingforpennies
@searchingforpennies 6 лет назад
I know. Its a reminder that there are intelligent people out there. Just a shame political standards have fallen so low that politicians get away with whatever they want to say.
@carolhama4156
@carolhama4156 5 лет назад
It is a great pity that mainstream media seems to report only what the politicians say/do.
@jamesmoylan2861
@jamesmoylan2861 5 лет назад
Goebbels said the bigger the lie the easier it is too be believed?True perhaps if you add on as was the case for Goebbels,when you control the press?
@TheFelltimber
@TheFelltimber 5 лет назад
Agree. Everything else is opinions without evidence. Our media simply pair off opposing opinions in interviews to the masses and the one who seems to perform best becomes the influential voice. This has nothing to do with truth.
@reconciliation86
@reconciliation86 6 лет назад
As a German I can only wish Britain would act as intelligent, calm and dignified as this man speaks. Thank you for offering me the chance to listen to your lecture.
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 5 лет назад
ronnie davies The UK can extradite foreign EU citizens with no income. The UK government hasn’t done so yet, but you cannot blame the EU for that. There’s poverty in the UK but also enormous wealth. That has nothing to do with the EU but with the appallingly low minimal wages and tax policies. It’s typical that you blame multiculturalism for the problems you mention. It’s not like those rich foreigners exploit the poor white British people, is it? London, the most multiculti city, voted for remain while the predominantly white countryside vote for leave.
@newheavyion
@newheavyion 5 лет назад
@ronnie davies what i never understood, you had the right to throw immigrants out of the country if they couldnt find a job after 3 month. That was your right. You come to the UK, you couldnt find a job after 3 month, OK your are out! Simple.So, why didnt you apply this right? You wouldnt have an innigration problem. This was your right, even within the EU?? The immigartion "of undesirable-and unemployable people to our country" and membership to the EU was unrelated. You could throw out each and every immigrant after 3 month. But you choose not to.....?
@Pinchodeingles
@Pinchodeingles 5 лет назад
Yeah you mean like your government have?
@peternicho
@peternicho 5 лет назад
As British but english person we can only wish that Germany would have acted as intelligent calm and dignified before they embarked on two world wars so l guess it was a good day that us British had the guts to raise to those moments, you rude German.
@fdp2904
@fdp2904 5 лет назад
I don't understand why you think voting to leave is undignified?
@rutger5000
@rutger5000 6 лет назад
Brexit will be an utter dissaster for the UK. Not because the UK could not survive outside the EU, it theoretically could. But because it's too big of a change, too quickly executed, and too poorly prepared. Economies don't handle those kind of changes well.
@endintiers
@endintiers 6 лет назад
Yes, To put it another way: 'Is massive cock-up'.
@rutger5000
@rutger5000 6 лет назад
@endintiers. Well yeah, if you want to be plain and simple about it. But than you're not showing off how smart you can make yourself sound. And isn't that the whole point of RU-vid comment sections?
@dvidclapperton
@dvidclapperton 5 лет назад
It can't ever suddenly seem like you were never in the EEC then the EU over the last 46 years. You can't say (i.e. think) how much better off you would be right now and then 11pm on 29th March 2019 if you were never in them, and think you would suddenly be as well off per 11pm on 29th March 2019 at some point in the future if you never were in them. The UK after 29th March 2019 after it leaves it will never suddenly be as well off or anything near as they think they would have been had they never joined the EEC back in 1973. And UK will be worse off after leaving the EU than by remaning in it.
@simp1eone
@simp1eone 5 лет назад
shut up - what do you know. 20 yrs from now there will be no EU. Its our country and we want out.
@DeeBee2013
@DeeBee2013 5 лет назад
Poorly prepared is for sure
@paddydiskin3645
@paddydiskin3645 6 лет назад
Excellent presentation of highly qualified legal opinion on the effects of Brexit on British law made clear in plain English.
@ximmeh1987
@ximmeh1987 6 лет назад
he seems like a clever guy. but lets not confuse legal with lawful.
@waldemaral4800
@waldemaral4800 6 лет назад
The closing paragraph is truly inspiring...
@peternicho
@peternicho 5 лет назад
The speaker is an indoctrinated EU lecturer, we passed a law that will accept all of the present eu laws into our country so that we can retain alignment with those that suit both of us and others that do not we will change. I wish that anyone associated with the EU would stop looking at the UK down its nose, the EU should remind itself we have thousands of years to run our own affairs before the EU and will prosper long after the EU collapses as it surely will.
@hoffmancapote
@hoffmancapote 6 лет назад
A wonderful speech which should be respected by everyone
@josefmuller8009
@josefmuller8009 5 лет назад
Brian Booth (
@gordonbradley199
@gordonbradley199 6 лет назад
My god ! People who actually know what they're talking about ? What a novelty ? We're so accustomed to utter dolts spouting absolute twaddle and fantasy about complex matters about which they know jack-squit ! And doing so with an air of utter conviction !
@CharlieVane21
@CharlieVane21 6 лет назад
Yep. A Judge from the General Court of the European Union is definitely qualified to speak on this matter. Though, I would argue that many sovereign countries manage on a bilateral level, some more prosperous than the UK. Though complicated(Note: all international relations are complicated) standards, equivalence, etc, in medicine, food, agriculture, science, aviation, etc, etc exist outside organisations like the EU. I would argue that doing it by half would be the most damaging outcome.
@Quickshot0
@Quickshot0 6 лет назад
I don't think Zealotry is the right answer here. Just like claiming complicated things are just representations of something simple seems kind of unlikely. Just because there are similarities does not mean it's the same. There is a reason many modern states are considered to have socialist policies, yet use an capitalist economic system and a democratic system of governance. It's because each have features that are considered useful to combine with the others. And calling it subjugation seems like a twisting of the actual reality. A reality where the various people elected governments that did agree with each other to do such things. Thinking in conspiracies when it all happened quite upfront and honestly is also unreasonable. As such I think your characterization of the matter is quite unfair and does not represent actual reality.
@curragh2840
@curragh2840 6 лет назад
This gentleman understands detail, there is nothing more irritating to an idialog than detail.
@shoulders-of-giants
@shoulders-of-giants 5 лет назад
this comment is empty
@deejarrett8291
@deejarrett8291 5 лет назад
And you consider yourself not of the common intellectual clay, eh Gordon?
@MMartec
@MMartec 6 лет назад
Amazing speech. Very happy to see common sense applied to such a sensitive conversation in such a detailed way.. unhappy though, that so few people, specially in England, are unaware of all this, and rather prefer to trust cheap newspapers and the capacity of their "sham" politicians to lead them out of the E.U. in a successful way.. when the E.U. was in fact the biggest British achievement since the 2nd World War.....
@kasegiyabu5030
@kasegiyabu5030 4 года назад
UK was refused entry to EEC; more than once if I remember correctly my history. How is EU UK's "biggest achievement"?
@paullacey748
@paullacey748 3 года назад
The Precursor to the EU was set up by the US. They convinced Germany and France to form an alliance with the hope they would stop fighting each other.
@jacobjorgenson9285
@jacobjorgenson9285 6 лет назад
Empires always die from the inside, Britain is keeping that time tested tradition
@GoonerJak22
@GoonerJak22 6 лет назад
oh don't bank on it sunshine. i know it's what you and many others would like to see. but trust me........ ;)
@glyntutt1586
@glyntutt1586 6 лет назад
I agree, Britain was always the slayer of Empires! The next one to fall will be the EU Empire, the British Empire failed because it fought 2 world wars when the world was in denial. When the US and Chinese Empires of today have to put their resources into a prolonged conflict, the EU will have to decide which side or not it will support. Dithering EU technocrats will inevitably lead to the downfall of the EU Empire as they will neither side with Russia or the US..... so bring it on!
@snowyowel7961
@snowyowel7961 6 лет назад
@@glyntutt1586 spot on Glyn
@BurnCKC
@BurnCKC 6 лет назад
@@glyntutt1586 I'm pretty sure they'll side with the US, what with most EU nations being part of NATO and all
@zeke3486
@zeke3486 6 лет назад
After Brexit comes Ukexit with will shrink UK when Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales leaves UK then it’s only England or maybe continue to shrink to Mercia...
@michaelrowsell1160
@michaelrowsell1160 6 лет назад
For Britain to all this work without sharing the cost between 27 other countries. That 8 billion Britain paid the EU was a bargain. Britain will have to employ tens of thousands of civil servants .Apart form the huge cost ,Britain has few with these skills.
@ximmeh1987
@ximmeh1987 6 лет назад
ahmen
@dvidclapperton
@dvidclapperton 5 лет назад
Not a huge money spinner for the UK this brexit, in fact completely the opposite. No trading goldmine for the UK to tap into post brexit.
@ainakamardine6556
@ainakamardine6556 5 лет назад
Well now they have £350M a week to spend on it 🤣
@hanskuijsten2380
@hanskuijsten2380 5 лет назад
@@ainakamardine6556 No, that was going into the NHS, remember?
@jhiv3945
@jhiv3945 5 лет назад
Come on, tell the truth. It is not 'cooperation'! The EU makes laws which it issues to individual governments as 'directives'. The governments of countries within the EU, including our own MUST incorporate these into their own laws or be fined for not doing so. Upwards of 70% of our laws are now made by a few unelected beurocrats in Brussels, Germany having the most influence. What are we doing? It is appalling that Britain should be under the domination of foreign powers.
@mururoa7024
@mururoa7024 6 лет назад
It's somewhat reassuring that some people at least still have all their senses. Thank you for this video.
@russcattell955i
@russcattell955i 6 лет назад
A wise man.
@mauriziosant1658
@mauriziosant1658 4 года назад
A genuine Scottish gentleman with lots of knowledge and wisdom. 👍
@deebo27
@deebo27 5 лет назад
Excellent talk, rational, pragmatic and fact-based. ALL of the political players in this farcical dance should be made to watch this and hopefully learn.
@fragonarsh
@fragonarsh 6 лет назад
Very interesting, thank you for uploading this video.
@marisastefani985
@marisastefani985 5 лет назад
Who will pay the Pension for the older people after Brexit?
@coatlennon
@coatlennon 6 лет назад
Can't believe that I am the first to comment on this. I am leaving England, but that is nothing to do with Brexit. However I have family here, and I fear for them. Why have none of the people who attended this lecture not commented on this?
@thesheepman220
@thesheepman220 6 лет назад
coatlennon I. Would be more afraid if I had family in the Eu because of its totalitarian authoritarian dictatorship rule , history has a way of repeating itself 1939 all over again coming to Europe mark my words ,but too many people have been brainwashed by MSM propaganda or they just too stupid
@matthewsemple
@matthewsemple 6 лет назад
You should listen to this explanation for about 2 mins from about 9:55 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JvDAW5SjdaE.html
@biocapsule7311
@biocapsule7311 5 лет назад
+matthewsemple Oh that is a fabulous clip, thanks for that and for that channel! Very interesting, oddly enough I commented to a brexiteer just hours ago before seeing the clip about the same kinds of example, except I am talking about international trade agreements (since I am just a lay person from Asia) and Fintan trading with the EU which is more relevant. And I also have a different view of Theresa May's reasoning. And he is funny.
@SirRandom
@SirRandom 6 лет назад
It's LIFE Jim, but not as we know it...
@dvidclapperton
@dvidclapperton 5 лет назад
Life with added restrictions and being constantly hamstrung, "Nothing To Declare" etc is certainly no great life ahead.
@hanskuijsten2380
@hanskuijsten2380 5 лет назад
So, "beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here"....
@biocapsule7311
@biocapsule7311 5 лет назад
Fantastic!
@curragh2840
@curragh2840 6 лет назад
I want Brexit. Good idea wonderful, what's your plan. What do you mean what's my plan, I haven't got one, let's just get on with it, and frankly i am very dubious of any one who asks me that question.
@philster611-ih8te
@philster611-ih8te 5 лет назад
Hows that Brexit looking now Nigel?
@ado75
@ado75 6 лет назад
Great Lecture.
@freddycook630
@freddycook630 5 лет назад
As I see it, this is a rather expensive way of doing business. The USA, China the 53 Commonwealth countries are not in this club, and if Germany was in this club and was paying in more then it was getting out, they would do something about it. We pay in £9 billion then we get back a £95 billion trade deficit, why not trade without so much money sloshing around in handouts and paying undemocratic leaders like Jean-Claude Juncker who pays no tax and is the highest paid dictator in Europe. Trading partners is what I signed up for in the 70’s not a federal dictatorship.
@johnmoncrieff3034
@johnmoncrieff3034 6 лет назад
Judge Forrester the only advice the British Judiciary should be given with regard to Civil Law and Criminal law is to use that very rare commodity called "COMMON SENSE" and the principal of Innocent until proven guilty. That with complete honesty and without bias. The vast number of your Bath of wires should only apply to those who trade with the EU and not the whole of the business community that only trade within the UK. You claim that the EU were responsible for the fall of the Berlin wall. I was under the impression that it was the determination of the East German populous who were not in the EU after the collapse of the USSR to be reunited with the West Germans, and it put a very large strain on the German economy as the EU as a whole were not supportive of the integration.
@danmccarthy2906
@danmccarthy2906 6 лет назад
Excellent. If only we had an articulate intelligent government and population that could rationally assess the merits and pitfalls of Brexit and reach a conclusion that the way a judge can. That said, I think the time for reason is over, lines have been drawn and Remainers and Leavers are now so entrenched in their beliefs, I can only see a violent outcome unless we get a People’s Vote or a fantastic deal that guarantees our freedom of movement, services and goods.
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 6 лет назад
Daniel McCarthy Hi, That fantastic deal guaranteeing freedom of people services and goods already exists but it is what has been rejected by Brexit itself. The tragedy is that people had no idea whatsoever what the consequences of leaving would (will) be and also had no idea how sovereign each member state in the EU is. Listening to Theresa May and Boris Johnson is horrifying. It very much shows that the UK won’t be able to produce a proposal that would be acceptable to the 27 EU member states and to the UK parliament. The latter ironically being the hardest to my opinion.
@SkyEcho7
@SkyEcho7 6 лет назад
Thank you 👍
@brucegately831
@brucegately831 6 лет назад
Perhaps this lecture would have been helpful to everyone in Britain, before people went out to vote for Brexit or not.
@LukaszStolarczuk
@LukaszStolarczuk 6 лет назад
Brilliant. Thank you!
@alexwinner3980
@alexwinner3980 6 лет назад
The judge said that the EU law has a doctrine which inputs the principle of proportionality. However, I strongly believe that sentencing somebody to death for parking for 60 minutes in the wrong place is a criminal act.
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 6 лет назад
That "however" there makes no logical sense.
@montygemma
@montygemma 5 лет назад
Ever wonder why it's the older people who are the keenest on Brexit. Reason is they can remember life before the EU, it really wasn't that bad.
@simonford7806
@simonford7806 5 лет назад
even as a layman, very easy to understand
@laurejon
@laurejon 5 лет назад
I love these talks. They are very similar to the talks we see across industry whereby workers argue as to why the business should not outsource or offshore their jobs. But the fact is you cannot stand in the way of progress, and EU law is no longer required in the UK as the UK is leaving the European Union and will make laws tailored for its own purposes, rather than what we have today which is an ill fitting suit, made of stretch material, to fit 27 members.
@mallong7532
@mallong7532 6 лет назад
We need a complete overhaul of our law system and get rid of so many laws that are no longer of any use.
@austenj4539
@austenj4539 6 лет назад
At 13 minutes in, Ian declares that he hopes that Brexit doesn't occur, so we can view all of his subjective views as an EU judge here in light of his admission. I would have liked to have heard from Ian how Norway and Switzerland deal with accepting regulatory/Common rule book matters to date in order to assist the UK post Brexit by their example. I'm not sure that Ian is delivering an impartial view on life after Brexit. He let's slip too many times the "dangers" in his view of leaving and the Project Fear element to the students, who, he suggests, will not be able to further their personal law careers in the EU with the possibility of non recognition of their UK law degrees. Listen to Ian be all means, but concentrate as much on what he omits as much as what he includes in his talk.
@UngarischUebersetzer
@UngarischUebersetzer 6 лет назад
again this argument with Switzerland or Norway: they have to maintain freedom of movement and pay a huge sums into the EU budget without having the right to shape along. If that would be the result of Brexit that would be the stupidest thing Britain could do: you would have the same obligations, same costs (or even higher) with less rights. Remember that the UK as of now have a lot of exceptional regulations as an EU member....
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 6 лет назад
Austen J Norway just has to pay and obey. For Switzerland it’s a bit more complicated resulting in all kinds of customs difficulties. Did you know that any member state can extradite any foreign EU person that costs money? The UK doesn’t do so but it would be perfectly legal under EU regulations.
@henafoo
@henafoo 6 лет назад
Norway is part of EEA and they are using some of the EU directives and regulations. I would assume it depends on their agreement with EU due to EEA as to what specifically needs to be accepted from EU. Norway is also part of schengen so free movement in general applies. There is a wikipedia page on 'Norway-European_Union_relations' which has some statistics from 2010 (70% of EU directives and 17% of EU regulations in force).
@MsMesem
@MsMesem 6 лет назад
Eduard van Raalte In relation to your second paragraph, what is your source? EU directives say that after being resident 5 years in an EU country you have every right to stay but this is being ignored by France who are using economic measures to decide who stays or leaves.
@iandavidson1
@iandavidson1 6 лет назад
why would you like to hear about Norway etc? they have to adopt free movement, so there is no comparison as the uk does not want to adopt it.
@pietdezwart2271
@pietdezwart2271 3 года назад
this is the reason why laws and standards in Switzerland (not a member of the EU) are very similar or the same as in the EU. for 1, because the EU expects it as not to endanger trade between the 2 entities and the EU is way more important to S. than the other way round. the same will count for the UK. ofcourse the UK can differ their rules, but trade will be hampered then
@qcope
@qcope 3 года назад
Err I think you might want to check on the Swiss. Seems they aren't as compliant as many in the EU arrogantly assumed.
@edwin5620
@edwin5620 5 лет назад
Thanks to Ian Forrester and the University of Birmingham / Great video!
@Ulrna
@Ulrna 6 лет назад
protection not for the workers, not for the consumers, but for the producers!!?
@LabRat6619
@LabRat6619 5 лет назад
It is important our MPs don't get found guilty of tax evasion!
@austenj4539
@austenj4539 6 лет назад
As Ian states around 6-7 minutes in - originally, the original union dealt with trade and persons. Now, the level of "cooperation" with our EU partners is "vast" and "underestimated". Thank goodness the UK woke up in time and voted to Leave before the final nails in the coffin were set fast! I am proud of the UK's decision to set an example to the world that nation state democracy is still the best example for the most important freedom - the freedom to vote for your political representatives.
@johnmartin7370
@johnmartin7370 5 лет назад
The single most stressful transaction I have ever made was sending the transaction document agreement between all Eu Treaty members to the EU Maastricht treaty on the European Union Monetary policy (from Ireland) which was paid to me in EMU's at the time. I had to fly over , paying for 7 seats on three flights. to get them there... at my expense... and I missed the birth of a child ...PLEASE DON'T GO THERE AGAIN ...
@gothicpagan.666
@gothicpagan.666 5 лет назад
And the problem with the current court system is that it is open to too much interpretation. A bit off track but the real problem with sociaty is a lack of moral fibre. If every one had the same basic moral principles, much arbitrary legislation would be irrelevant and unnecessary
@fordism.01
@fordism.01 6 лет назад
what about our Global service alignments in the case of a no deal brexit??? any answers on this
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 6 лет назад
ian forde A no deal Brexit means that every EU treaty will cease to exist for the UK. For example UK pilots won’t have a license to fly into ANY international air space. And the UK won’t even have an internationally recognized certification body to license any pilot. The same goes for the planes. Just 1 example... This is not project fear. This is just a very inconvenient practicality. The U.K. will need time to negotiate new treaties not only with the EU but also with the rest of the world. A ‘simple’ treaty will take at least 4 years. The more complex ones take 8 or 10 years. The current UK negotiators are under staffed, under payed and under qualified. Good luck if you want to negotiate all treaties with the EU and with every single other country that are currently covered by EU treaties. Meanwhile May and Johnson are quarreling about proposals that will never be accepted by the EU. A no deal Brexit going to be a loss for the EU but a disaster for the UK. Tmo it’s no less than criminal not to inform the British public about the of reality these things.
@marisastefani985
@marisastefani985 5 лет назад
OMG! I love when he speeks, very calm, explain everything so well, and very understand person! Marvellous man! Very clever person! Gentleman! Let's say : He is a good teacher either.
@qcope
@qcope 3 года назад
Speaks slowly... but his concerns.. didn't amount to much of significance. Amazingly... without the kindness of Brussels... we find ourselves with working laws, food in the shops, water in the taps and the lights still turn on, when we click the switch.
@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl
@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl 6 лет назад
Well-communicated insight into the legal situation after Brexit! Cold-blooded and irresponsible politicians convey the picture that everything is so easy and Brexit would be an unstoppable storm, bring back sunshine sometime. This is not just a stupid, but dangerous simplification of the situation.
@gabrijelafratnik2108
@gabrijelafratnik2108 5 лет назад
Great.
@Ulrna
@Ulrna 6 лет назад
42:28 Nationality is not the basis on which people determine ethnicity. Ethnicity is determined on the basis of cultural affiliation, and it is determined on a personal level. Nationality determines patriotic affiliation and cements society together despite ethnic boundaries and in order for the protect the sovereignty and representation of its peoples.
@markshirley01
@markshirley01 5 лет назад
Thank you very interesting. Question if we agree to sell butter at 0% to a WTO country then sell butter to the EU with a 5 or 6% tarrif applied by the EU are we allowed to add a 5 or 6% tarrif to imported butter from the EU.
@ServalBrennus
@ServalBrennus 5 лет назад
No, the tariffs are for all countries. The only way to put different tariffs on different countries is to make trade deal. That's why when the brexitters say "if the EU put tariffs on uk, we will put tariffs on them" is stupid. First because the EU won't put tariffs on uk, the tariffs will be the tariffs of third country which the uk will be. Second the tariff you put on butter will be available for every country in the wto.
@paddingtontucker4607
@paddingtontucker4607 6 лет назад
great lecture, thanks for uploading
@paullacey748
@paullacey748 3 года назад
A knowledgeable man but wears Rose Tinted Glasses. Peace can be attained without absorbing every country’s identity.
@mallong7532
@mallong7532 6 лет назад
Ah yes Monsanto not acceptable in the USA but is here duplicity like this is what puts lives at risk. Law is duplicity one rule for one but others seem to be excused.
@mallong7532
@mallong7532 6 лет назад
An English judge should be able to make a judgement in British law without having to take European law into consideration. We like bent cucumbers it’s surprising how many get thrown away due to European regulations for instance.
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 6 лет назад
It would be surprising if it were true.
@amayastrata4629
@amayastrata4629 5 лет назад
I still buy bent cucumbers so that news is ridiculous. It was a regulation that merely sought to encompass standards applied to supermarket shelves. It was quickly changed when a furore arose to highlight the ridiculousness of it. The British media nit picked this information to death as they probably didn’t have anything or anyone else to have a go at at the time. What I’m more concerned about is any prospective trade deal with the USA that may allow gmo products to enter our country without them being labelled on any packaging. Or for that matter, substandard food from countries that we have to agree basic terms with on the wto rules. That and other products that may be of a substandard quality. Not entirely up on the rules for wto yet as I’m so busy reading the ‘deal’ agreement and other matters. I will get round to it soon I hope as it is important to be informed of my fate as a British citizen living in the uk.
@lawrencebrown3677
@lawrencebrown3677 5 лет назад
@@amayastrata4629 The Question should never has arisen in the first place. I want Brexit to happen but I would never buy food from the USA. You will find I am sure that EU countries use the same chemicals in agriculture as USA.
@dvidclapperton
@dvidclapperton 5 лет назад
I've never seen a straight banana before. So what Boris Johnson was talking was complete nonsense but knew that by saying it would whip up all those who despise the EU which includes the gutter right wing press into a frenzy.
@lvoldum
@lvoldum 5 лет назад
The cucumber and banana story is misguided - the regulation, or rather classification, came from the UN's FAO in order to make exports from Africa easier, as there are several hundred types of bananas in Africa, not only what we would call a banana. These descriptions were for the ease of it sent to the EU, which made implementation a lot easier. It was NOT an EU idea ;)
@avniajdini7704
@avniajdini7704 5 лет назад
britain,and british people are going to regret this big time,just wait and see
@jameswarbrick9168
@jameswarbrick9168 5 лет назад
the lawyer's example is not true, try Malta , not a chance unless you are Maltese
@akbarallardfreichmann2938
@akbarallardfreichmann2938 6 лет назад
Thank you so much trying to make sense of Brexit.
@austenj4539
@austenj4539 6 лет назад
It is an interesting fact that the recent referral to the ECJ [regarding the possibility of a Member State unilaterally revoking a decision to exit the EU having already triggered the Art 50 Lisbon Treaty 2009] was the decision of the Scottish Court of Session and that Ian Forrester is also a Scottish educated lawman and Nichola Sturgeon today [7th Oct 2018] has ruled in an SNP decision to support a fresh Brexit referendum. Are we witnessing a politically motivated Scottish Court of Session, a politically motivated EU judge and an SNP political leader acting together in order to thwart Brexit? As a Leave supporter, I truly hope so, as the Art. 50 process cannot be revoked unless the ECJ rules in a way so irrational as to fully expose the UK to a wholly politicised ECJ.
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 6 лет назад
Austen J The article 50 process doesn’t need to be revoked unilaterally. The 27 states would gladly welcome the revocation. Maybe the UK would loose it’s contribution discount but that would be all.
@austenj4539
@austenj4539 6 лет назад
@@Conservator. The article 50 process cannot be revoked either unilaterally or with universal consent according to the text of Art 50. The Art 50 process can only be extended with universal consent, but not revoked/reversed. I find it quite extraordinary that the Scottish Court of Session didn't just throw out the claim brought by pro-Remainers and can only explain it rationally as showing a potentially biased Scottish court.
@KryzMasta
@KryzMasta 6 лет назад
While this man is very thoughtful and approaches the subject diligently and, even though he expresses a personal view, quite objectively, after 20 minutes or so he started to lose the plot of his own talk and lost the audience with it, I think. Maybe poor preparation, or simply a lack of interesting and clarifying real-world examples, but it became increasingly more difficult to be engaged by his words.
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 6 лет назад
Yeah, I kinda think you ran into your own limitations there.
@trishameenaghan8009
@trishameenaghan8009 2 года назад
Perhaps you simply reached the absolute outer limit of your own comprehension, huh?
@qcope
@qcope 3 года назад
Amazingly we find many of the imagined problems, by this wise man, weren't such a challenge after all! Mutual recognition of driving licenses in the EU, may have been convenient... but when our governments don't allow us out of the house.... its not such a problem!
@jameswarbrick9168
@jameswarbrick9168 5 лет назад
his arguments is false regarding extradition for criminal acts
@CitroTeam
@CitroTeam 3 года назад
I bet Boris never attended these lectures.
@yorgosr
@yorgosr 6 лет назад
The Brexiters say that the majority of the British people decided to get out of EU and the result of the vote should be respected. Fine. I wonder though how many people out of this majority knew the legal complexities of what they were voting for and the consequent negative effects on their lives! I bet none!
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 6 лет назад
No, millions were not allowed to vote and millions did not bother.
@cjgparas3
@cjgparas3 3 года назад
No. Uk has no right. Why bother with a 3rd country. Brexit reality here.
@KingScorpio84
@KingScorpio84 5 лет назад
note how mr professor from scottland speaks relaxed so he can still escape effects of brexit
@daviddack1595
@daviddack1595 5 лет назад
RECALL PARLIAMENT NOW...
@MrDaleplan
@MrDaleplan 5 лет назад
Get the borders up
@johnmurray4512
@johnmurray4512 5 лет назад
He has his a vote the trouble is he lost ,is it not time he tried just to shut up ,what he seems to forget what they said they would do to win the next war?. And to remember the British lost many to save our independents ,
@christinecopus5967
@christinecopus5967 5 лет назад
Go & do your judging.l want a choice who governs over our country.
@jblogs1000
@jblogs1000 5 лет назад
all fishing back steel production back car production back etc etc no imports whats the problem
@rodrigoromero2166
@rodrigoromero2166 5 лет назад
and Unicorns breeding back as well.
@ZZ-ek7mx
@ZZ-ek7mx Год назад
You don’t need a Political Union or Federation, with the associated lack of democratic representation, to agree standards or certification, as was the case before the EU’s political growth. A very biased speaker & European Union Court judge.
@stephenconway2468
@stephenconway2468 11 месяцев назад
You need to agree to keep to those standards and that is what we have said we wouldn't do. When inside the EU the standards were set for all in the EU in a democratic manner. That is important.
@ronredron
@ronredron 6 лет назад
After listening to this gentleman I am now beginning to see the bigger picture.
@thearcadian290
@thearcadian290 6 лет назад
It is illegal and unlawful for sny foreign law/directive/regulation to have any power of law or jurisdiction in the UK, it has been illegal and unlawful since 1215 when it was written into the Magna Carta of that date, incidentally the Magna Carta is the foundation document of our (British) constitution. Any comment on this judge?
@elceelcevet6998
@elceelcevet6998 6 лет назад
UK has no real written Constitution ? Only Magna Charta?
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 6 лет назад
Yes Elena, that is correct. "Constitutional question" in the UK is categorically similar to "Caring for your unicorn."
@jxw5
@jxw5 6 лет назад
¨His comment implies that exporters would pay 5% if France had 5% customs - NO - the importer pays!! IMPORTANT - because the 'market' will decide any final price changes.
@grayzytube
@grayzytube 6 лет назад
No, the consumer pays via the supply chain to reimburse the importer. This is realise by passing on WTO rates to the consumer, who out of pity (????) will buy the more expensive UK produced goods. I don't think so.
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 6 лет назад
R W You are right about the tariffs and the market. It means that British goods will cost more in Europe while EU products will not be more expensive in the U.K. Or do you think that the French importer will sell UK products at a loss for old times sake?
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 6 лет назад
Yes Eduard, that is what the English genuinely believe. They believe the rest of the planet is in awe of all things British.
@jxw5
@jxw5 5 лет назад
Right - the consumer will pay in the end - either way.
@spex357
@spex357 5 лет назад
Will there be life after the Eu army arrives?
@josefinenilsson8059
@josefinenilsson8059 5 лет назад
Yes, how dare NATO members corporate!
@continuummusic220
@continuummusic220 5 лет назад
I can't help noticing that the majority of pro-brexit comments here are ungrammatical and misspelled. Just saying...
@paulmcgovern6660
@paulmcgovern6660 6 лет назад
Should never have gone in in the first place, that is why we are now in a porridge.Or are we saying we are incapable of unraveling Red Tape?
@martin5940
@martin5940 5 лет назад
Talk about EU chocolat, witch is not chocolat.
@thierryherreman6286
@thierryherreman6286 6 лет назад
Well, there won't be any EU left after Brexit, that's for sure.
@ingewood9907
@ingewood9907 5 лет назад
Ha Ha Ha, EU has existed long bevor Britain has joined , this is a typical arrogant remark of brexeteers.
@trampre411
@trampre411 6 лет назад
berlin wall demolishing was president Ronald Reagan doing not EU .
@suides4810
@suides4810 5 лет назад
Gunther H.G. Geick not even that..it was opend by accident
@kimweaver3323
@kimweaver3323 5 лет назад
The wall was breached during Bush 41's Administration, not Ronnie Ray-Gun.
@snowyowel7961
@snowyowel7961 6 лет назад
Will there be life after brexit 🤔 well there was life before the EU millions of years to be exact, So yes to right there will be life after brexit 😁
@anthonyking5414
@anthonyking5414 5 лет назад
That told him...
@norkapatriciasandi3195
@norkapatriciasandi3195 5 лет назад
Globalization will mean less responsibility for corporations when you talk about rules, as people will not known who to blame in case of poisons in the environment or products coming from another country. The opposite of what he he says. It is better to have each country to look after themselves. For example, fish and shrimp coming from the East were found to be farmed on sewers.
@mobe966
@mobe966 5 лет назад
Very good speech understood everything he explained, may I just say the trouble with lectures like this, what you kids are to in doctrine to realise our judge loves the e,u his sons work and live in the e.u Giving a speech for staying in the e.u is all he done What is a balance debate were another judge steps up after him, giving his view why it could be good to leave with all the benefits it may achieve What the people need is critical thinking two sides of the dispute Then choose which discussion sounds the best.
@Raymint
@Raymint 5 лет назад
Can you list any benefits?
@louiswalker5080
@louiswalker5080 6 лет назад
The term ‘’pooling sovereignty’’ is a misnomer. Sovereignty isn’t pooled, it is either retained or surrendered. Mr Forrester goes on at length about standards. But Standards are increasingly being set at a global level. In many cases, the EU simply recycles those standards by wrapping them up in a Directive and badging them as ‘’Made in Brussels.’’ An independent UK will have an important role to play in the development of global standards. You don’t need a political and bureaucratic monstrosity like the EU to facilitate the process of global standard-setting. A detailed study of the EUR-Lex database of EU legislative instruments and the UK Parliament’s legislation database found that, between 1993 and 2014, 62% of the UK’s laws originated in one form or another from the EU. Under what theory of democracy are more than 50% of a sovereign country’s laws effectively decided by unelected bureaucrats and political re-treads who its people can’t vote for or kick out?! The same goes for the ECJ. It currently has 28 judges, only one of whom is British. But it takes precedence over British courts, including our Supreme Court. When a country’s parliament is subservient to another body in the making of law, it is NOT sovereign. Even worse, when a country’s laws are decided by foreign politicians and unelected bureaucrats who its people can neither vote in nor out, it isn’t even a true democracy. We’ve surrendered huge swathes of our sovereignty, and for what?! Membership of a terminally-declining low-growth high-unemployment anti-democratic throwback to the 1950s that is dragging Europe into economic irrelevance. Thanks, but no thanks.
@stepheniesiegmann5038
@stepheniesiegmann5038 6 лет назад
Apart from the impoliteness you distribute, which is not only disrespectful but also discredits you as a whole, you make a fundamental mistake. Why should sovereignity stop at an entity like UK? Why shouldn't Scotland be sovereign? What about Northern Ireland? Why shouldn't city of london turn to be independent City State of London? Same for Leeds, Manchester and you name it. What some people do not understand. Brexit opened pandoras box. This will eventually cost britainers their united kingdom. True sovereignity can only mean the individual being sovereign and free from any form of government.
@danmccarthy2906
@danmccarthy2906 6 лет назад
Louis Walker Speak for yourself, many of us see the EU very differently from the way which you have described. As one commentator succinctly put it ‘we need the EU to protect us from our own government’.
@miguelfranco1093
@miguelfranco1093 6 лет назад
Louis Walker... Global Standards, what a joke. Go try to export arround the world and see the global standards. It is not to much dificult export from eu to the rest of the world since eu standards are normally higher then the rest of the world. But export from south america or even usa to eu can be a problem especially because of food standards. Most of that laws are standards wich you want apply anyway or recomendations that you decide if you want or not. EU have more democracy than UK, UK have an unlected second chamber and is not equal represented in fact this two aspects are enough to stop a country from being admited in the EU. EU parlament is elected by vote (you vote in your country for eu elections), the comission is indirect since is elected by the parlament and the council being this last one all PM from all countries... so in the end all is democratic since the decisions come from people you vote for. You can say you didn't vote for the french pm, but he is there to defend france and eu like uk pm is there to defend uk and eu or was. That is how the alliance works, if you want to vote for everything then eu needs to evolve to a federation but that also removes the sovereign of the countries (and they are sovereign even UK writes that on the white paper "...uk have always been sovereign even if didn't always look like that..." Also remember that UK will adopt foreign policies when doing deals, is the base of them... and they will adopt a lot more than they would have by not being a member of the EU, since EU is a lot more powerfull than UK they can do better deals. Have you seen UK-US blueprint, in that blueprint UK adopts most of US standards and some policies.... Sovereign comes from power in this global world and if you try to isolate yourself or you're big as a continent like USA or China or there will be a lot of consequences to your people and your country biggest ex. is north korea... so you need to deal with the world and in this world power is the key, in fact was one of the reasons eu was made... to makre europe still relevant in this world do to the threat of USA and URSS.... now there is three sharks USA, EU and China, Russia is not that powerfull but they still do a lot of games...
@BurnCKC
@BurnCKC 6 лет назад
You mean like all those food standards the Americans have? Oh, wait...
@blameyourself4489
@blameyourself4489 6 лет назад
Louis. There is not such thing as sovereignty. The only problem is that you are a control freak and you don't come clear with that. The EU is not perfect, but it works, and contrary to you, I as a European, use what it provides everyday!
@antonrudenham3259
@antonrudenham3259 6 лет назад
This bloke explains carefully and in great detail all of the problems inherent in extracting ourselves from the purposefully complicated web of EU regulations but perhaps he ought to apply that planet sized brain of his to devising a solution?
@jamesmoylan2861
@jamesmoylan2861 5 лет назад
I believe the best deal for Brexit is Bretton Woods.Thats all ! Besides obviously giving the 18 year olds a chance now to have their say and perhaps who felt they did not understand and do a bit more now?
@d34d10ck
@d34d10ck 6 лет назад
"Violence is not probably" *cough cough* Jo Cox *cough cough*
@richardgoode5314
@richardgoode5314 6 лет назад
A Europe or a direction by England.
@buck6604
@buck6604 5 лет назад
Birmingham....nuff said.
@jso2073
@jso2073 5 лет назад
Blah blah blah, we don't need over regulation, but where it matters we will be aligned with the E.U. Just because it is going to require political will does not mean we should cancel the referrendom or have second one!
@adrianwilson1930
@adrianwilson1930 5 лет назад
I watched 10 minutes of this and felt quit sick
@jxw5
@jxw5 6 лет назад
Good talk - too bad the Brexiters never had access to that info ;-)
@philhorton1827
@philhorton1827 6 лет назад
Far too many flaws in your argument, will not have enough space!
@douglaskay9959
@douglaskay9959 5 лет назад
What is his point, he talks like any lawyer, it is called waffling.
@ninaashik
@ninaashik 6 лет назад
excellent, very informative, intelligent lecture
@cormackeenan8175
@cormackeenan8175 5 лет назад
This eminent QC does not know what he’s talking about, how do I know I hear you gasp, I’ll tell you why, because I’m a Brexiteer’s and zealot what ever that means. Brexit a future without an upside.
@frolicwitme
@frolicwitme 6 лет назад
The DUP will not like to hear this !!!!! Somebody tell them, please lol
@Pedro-te7xr
@Pedro-te7xr 5 лет назад
2019 Eurovision is going to be funny when 27 countries boo one :)
@rowdyyates4273
@rowdyyates4273 5 лет назад
He speaks well, but so did tony blair and where did he get us!! and he is still at it trying to keep us in, got to give you a heads up on that one--- calm and dignified talk for sure but no fire in his belly to take a stand either way-- a lay down your arms and kiss their feet type of guy, sure Lord Nelson had 28 dirrerent nationalitys on board But they were fighting to defend these shores from Europe, ask youself do you want to go calmly down with the Titanic (GB) or get away and live to rebuild another day-----------------------
@trampre411
@trampre411 6 лет назад
blind us with science bugger the lawyers and brainy hangers on . for the workers out now .
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