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Will this preamp REALLY improve your class D amp? 

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Should you add the Fosi Audio P3 preamp to your class D system?
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@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 8 месяцев назад
Are you adding the P3 to your system?
@beyondergalactus7308
@beyondergalactus7308 2 месяца назад
I own this device and yes the tubes do definitely change the sound. 1st I switched to the GE Jan tube upgrade tubes, at first, they were similar, but tubes take hours to open up, after 30 hours, the soundstage started growing, after 100 hours the soundstage was much larger, and the gain also improved a lot, I was getting the same db output at 1/2 volume as I was at 2/3 volume! Huge midrange and some upper range improvements, had to increase subwoofer output to balance.lastly, I upgraded to hand made Mullard tubes, after 30 hours, even larger soundstage and more gain! Gentleman, tubes take time to grow up,lol. You cannot judge tubes that are not broken in, and the stock tubes are not the best, but after 100 hours, they definitely sound different.
@Music-Tech-Life
@Music-Tech-Life 5 месяцев назад
Agree. One input is not enough. At least 2 would be ok.Tube pins come misaligned from factory. They need to fix that. I have 3 Fosi P3's. 3 different applications. But I love the sound it gets and adds to all 3 applications I use them for. Very spacial stereo separation with a nice warm bass tone is how I would describe the sound. I'm sure it's the tubes and the chip inside that give it that sound. Surprised you couldn't hear much of a difference. The sound is the reason I got 3 of these. I tried the Foo Box X4 Phono Preamp and I sent it back. Made my Kenwwod KA=3500 and large Advent speakers sound worse. Yes, very old school simple setup. Not audiophile by any stretch of the word. ;-) Phono Preamp on the Kenwood sounds much better. I'm a musician so I record on my Mac using Logic Pro X and an Onyx Producer. 2/2 Audio Device with a DAC. Using the Fosi P3 in this setup is perfect. Great videos and info btw,
@mikecampbell5856
@mikecampbell5856 7 месяцев назад
I have a Fosi P1 that I was going to use as a buffer to get the "tube sound" in my system. I connected it to my tape monitor loop and with my remote control I could instantly switch it in and out of the system. I couldn't hear a difference. I even tried some better GE tubes. Same thing. I do like glowing tubes though and having tone controls on the Fosi give me a preset tone control without having to get up. LOL
@ggroch
@ggroch 7 месяцев назад
I also have the V3 & P3 and share your preconceptions of what a preamp should do. V3 owners could use more inputs and perhaps Bluetooth and remote control. In some systems added gain (because the V3 sensitivity is lower than average) and Bass/Treble would be a plus. The issue is, V3 buyers often are fans of its premium parts and low distortion measurements. Tubes add distortion, it is their benefit, so they are perhaps a different group. I think the Nobsound NS-08P Pro (hard to find) with relay volume, 4 Inputs, and remote fits better into my view of a matching preamp. Thoughtful Review / Subscribed.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
Excellent points. Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences as well.
@wyup
@wyup 6 месяцев назад
I think tubes with their added distortion may have a point with class D amps that tend to sound dry and cold despite having the least distortion.
@beyondergalactus7308
@beyondergalactus7308 2 месяца назад
Yes, forever, the p3 sounds great, if you have the time to let the tubes burn in.
@yttean98
@yttean98 7 месяцев назад
You should a "control" tube preamp of higher quality and hear the combo again. If you cannot hear the difference, then it is you.
@steven2809
@steven2809 2 месяца назад
Did you unscrew the orange collars to insert the tubes...as explained in the manual...?😖
@k9burnouts544
@k9burnouts544 4 месяца назад
Radio Shack sold a little black box w/ 3 rca inputs and 1 rca output, & 1,2,3 selct switches.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 4 месяца назад
I always pick up their switches for cheap at estate sales, lol.
@moviejunkiejohn
@moviejunkiejohn 8 месяцев назад
So I had the v3 for a bit. Really good but didn’t seem to be ideal for my setup. I got the Emotiva a2m and I love it! Wish it had a remote but alas. I do love the looks and small form factor of the Fosi line.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 8 месяцев назад
I have the previous version of the a2m and love it!
@ramondelgado6778
@ramondelgado6778 7 месяцев назад
@@ForeverAnaloghave you reviewed it? You totally should or the new version the A2M!!!!! There aren’t many reviews of the A2M or the a100.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
@ramondelgado6778 I haven’t actually and yeah it’s the A-100. Not a bad idea I just need to get through this pile of new stuff first lol. These class d amps are popping up everywhere!
@robertkensler2156
@robertkensler2156 7 месяцев назад
I agree!1 I only use McIntosh equipment!! Only the best will do!!
@tamersosman
@tamersosman 6 месяцев назад
Does it improve sound quality?
@korling99
@korling99 8 месяцев назад
Fosi ZA3 monoblocks and balanced preamp coming!
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
Hope I get the ZA3 in for review
@carlyork355
@carlyork355 2 месяца назад
Can this power headphones and two amps at the same time with an aux to rca splitter for the 2nd amp?
@amomor
@amomor 8 дней назад
can you source from multiple bluetooth? Does it remember multiple bt devices?
@aridembo1693
@aridembo1693 7 месяцев назад
So glad to also hear that I was not the only one having issues inserting the tubes! Not a good experience trying to get the P3 set up. A little frustrating and disappointing.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
Agreed!
@robertkensler2156
@robertkensler2156 7 месяцев назад
wawawawaaaaaa
@superd222tube
@superd222tube 5 месяцев назад
If it was easy, everyone would be doing it! The Douk ST-01 Pro has robust sockets. Was easy to swap tubes in this unit.
@beatmsophere
@beatmsophere 3 месяца назад
just unscrew the orange rings and you will have better access to the tube sockets
@ralphpanhuyzen7861
@ralphpanhuyzen7861 3 месяца назад
Why not connect the preamp most people wll have (I have a NAD) to the Fose V3, or any Fose?
@oliivioljy9700
@oliivioljy9700 18 дней назад
RCA connectors are old-fashioned connection methods for connecting an antenna connector (rca) that receives radio frequencies to your preamplifier. Today, 2024v there are completely different and better ways to digitally connect different audio sources than with analog ones. Why do too many simple people live in ancient times without realizing the importance of the matter in relation to their own time?
@MeloSuares
@MeloSuares 7 месяцев назад
Hi nice video, thanks. Wich RCA cables (min 2:34) are you using ? they seem a little better than basic ones, white and red, but thicker...
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
I’m not sure. I usually buy my cables second hand at estate sales in the dollar bin lol. I can find great quality for a great price!
@josecintron85
@josecintron85 7 месяцев назад
glad to hear that I was not the only one having issues connecting the tubes.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
Whew. I’m glad to know I also wasn’t the only one lol. Thanks for letting me know!
@moonytheloony6516
@moonytheloony6516 7 месяцев назад
🦃🍁🦃🍁🦃🍁🦃 Happy Thanksgiving! 🍁🦃🍁🦃🍁🦃🍁
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
Same to you!!!
@micomicic8778
@micomicic8778 6 месяцев назад
Great video! What are differences in sound quality between Wiim mini and Wiim pro(if any) using it only as a streamer?
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 6 месяцев назад
I haven't really done a proper side by side comparison but there a few other youtubers out there who have - check out their vids!
@rosswarren436
@rosswarren436 5 месяцев назад
Some of those other reviewers have said the WiiM Mini is "thicker" sounding in the mid bass, not quite as clean or transparent, when used as a streamer only compared to the WiiM Pro or Pro Plus. I've got three Minis in various systems around my house and thought they were fine, but yeah, in my "real" stereo I'll likely get something a step up in the direction of the Innuos Pulse and call it a day.
@HillsWorkbench
@HillsWorkbench 6 месяцев назад
The "tube sound" is a touch of second harmonic distortion. This preamp would be better with an adjustment knob in the tube stage to make it less linear, so one could adjust from clean to dirty.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 6 месяцев назад
That makes sense! Thanks for sharing!
@HillsWorkbench
@HillsWorkbench 6 месяцев назад
It is like sharpness in video. But it can color complex sounds like violins and vocals, so it would be nice to be able to control or bypass it.
@wyup
@wyup 6 месяцев назад
Which power amp have you got associated to the PrimaLuna EVO 100 and the Schiit Saga preamps? You won't use them with the Fosi V3 I guess. 😁 What would you think of these paired with a good class D amp such as a Purifi?
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 6 месяцев назад
I usually connect the Primaluna to my vintage McIntosh MC2505 amp and it’s awesome.
@robertendsley8312
@robertendsley8312 8 месяцев назад
How would you compare the Fosi V3 VS the Aiyima A08 Pro. I know you have had issues with the A08 Pro in the past. Currently I have been running the A08 Promo on my secondary Rig 100% Vinyl Twin Pioneer PLX-500 Pioneer DJM-450 mixer that is basically my phonostage to switch between the two TT.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 8 месяцев назад
Good question! I'll be releasing an Aiyima A07 Max vs Fosi V3 video soon but not sure I'll have time to pull the A08 Pro out for a comparison. The pile of products to review is really stacking up!
@calvinnapier9977
@calvinnapier9977 7 месяцев назад
I've seen quite a few reviews on the V3 and P3 and after watching yours I'll probably pass on both. I noticed you've got the Audiolab 7000CDT I've got the 6000CDT. Are you getting the 3D sound your talking about?
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
Good eye on the 7000cdt. I’m working on a comparison video with it and my Schiit Urd!
@calvinnapier9977
@calvinnapier9977 7 месяцев назад
​@@ForeverAnalogLook forward to it 👍
@34332
@34332 6 месяцев назад
It's not ideal, but sometimes a RCA A/B switcher module comes in handy 😉
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 6 месяцев назад
Yeah I’d probably use a switcher over this preamp lol
@lucasrodriguez8957
@lucasrodriguez8957 7 месяцев назад
Would a switch work to switch input or would that lower the audio quality?
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
It probably would work fine
@jamess7589
@jamess7589 7 месяцев назад
Very balanced review. I bought the V3 because it was too cheap to worry about price. I never intended to use it in a main system, and it couldn’t drive my LS3/5A variant speakers despite the reported output wattage numbers. I think the P3 is aimed at single source bedroom or office systems alongside the V3?
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
I agree that the P3 would work well on a desktop system!
@ggroch
@ggroch 7 месяцев назад
Often not getting enough power from the V3 is because its input has lower than average gain. The P3 and other preamps can often fix that because it can add a good bit more gain to the input.
@bruceevans3746
@bruceevans3746 7 месяцев назад
I got much better results after I upgraded the power supply, supporting more output wattage
@jamess7589
@jamess7589 7 месяцев назад
@@bruceevans3746 I didn’t. Doesn’t have the grunt to drive vintage speakers. Sure it’s fine with modern gear.
@robertkensler2156
@robertkensler2156 7 месяцев назад
It drove my LS3/5A`s variant just fine???
@seanyboston
@seanyboston 4 месяца назад
You can literally get an RCA switcher for 10-20 bucks
@chrisdick9860
@chrisdick9860 7 месяцев назад
Yeah unfortunately it seems like it is getting much harder to find a true tube preamp that gives the holographic 3D sound anymore ...
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
Definitely for a cheap price lol! Thanks for watching!
@vrm86gt
@vrm86gt 5 месяцев назад
I'd be more interested if it did NOT have the tubes
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 5 месяцев назад
I think so too
@richh650
@richh650 7 месяцев назад
I agree with you, the P3 is not a real preamp at all as plugin options are a must. The tubes are almost a complete deception that many companies are getting onto now for customer marketing trickery.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
Yeah I feel the tubes serve a purpose, just not the kind we think of when we see tubes lol. Thanks for watching!
@jankowalski-et6xc
@jankowalski-et6xc 6 месяцев назад
Short answer - NO. Tubes work on high voltage - not on 12VDC. This is a fake tube amp.
@jd5787
@jd5787 6 месяцев назад
Personal experience having a couple of those small tube preamps, they dk change the sound. It is even more noticeable when u change tubes. I have some very old tubes used by the Russian army and they sound miles better than the stock Chinese stuff. I have some old French tubes on order (military grade) and I expect the sound to be different.
@williamdenton5716
@williamdenton5716 4 месяца назад
I'd be interested to hear what you think about the results.
@steven2809
@steven2809 2 месяца назад
Except this preamp runs the tubes at over 50 volts....so get your facts correct!
@LeRoySL-q5q
@LeRoySL-q5q 7 дней назад
Exactly! After swapping op amps and tubes, my FX Audio Tube 03 sounds killer! Almost 90 volts are delivered to the tubes so yes, this is a "real" tube circuit.
@larsvegas1505
@larsvegas1505 7 месяцев назад
id say its bull ur just adding to the noise.. digital signal.. digital amp.. dont need anything more.
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
It definitely is meant to "color" the sound, I just can't hear it enough to choose that sound coloring option over the ability to connect more than one source!
@7AccordHomeStudio
@7AccordHomeStudio 7 месяцев назад
I have a 35 yrs old DENON DAP-5500. It rocks. I don't like those small toys... sorry :))
@ForeverAnalog
@ForeverAnalog 7 месяцев назад
All good. I think everyone should buy what they enjoy in this hobby ✌🏻
@7AccordHomeStudio
@7AccordHomeStudio 7 месяцев назад
@@ForeverAnalog of course but a tiny cigarette lighter cannot make a big show... my preamp is 14 kg.
@multicyclist
@multicyclist 4 месяца назад
These and all those other similar types are NOT quality gear. My Fosi audio X3 has fake NE5532 Op Amp ICs in it and the electrolytic capacitors are of known fake brand from China. The NE5532s are used in the tone control circuit, which itself is also crap. There is no way to set them flat. Oh wait, you set them at 12 oclock, nope. These are just cheaply designed gear to "have a look" trying to mascarade as quality. Yeah it is a preamp, although with only one input???, These are really just cheap crap gear.
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