@hanszel8290 I saw that test on another channel and Wallace / Lui Che destroys it. You noticed as soon as he switched to smite tree even Huo / Belisaurius Prime took L's a bit more. That smite tree is some serious shit. Everyone clamoured over the 40% damage putting Lui Che as prime.
I think I will be sticking with Scipio for the time being. Thanks for all the information and the time you invested on testing WW and making this video bro!
For the scipio/liu vs Liu/ww it’s also good to note that Scipios entire 4th skill doesn’t work against that pair, and scipio/Liu has massive amounts of skill dmg reduction in support tree, which is also useless against Liu/ww
This cicle is decent/good lapu is meh good for whales citys. Belli people trashed him he is pretty decent outside the mobility tree he does fine. Wallace mid/decent gonna say equal powercreep like belli. P We can t have broken commanders all the time
My early feel for this is that if you already have most of the top infantry commanders already, you can skip Wallace. If he was a primary commander that was equal to LC or better, then I would say go for it. But to be forced to fully max Wallace in order for him to replace other decent commanders, that seems like too much investment for the return. Just my two cents...
Yep. If you just entered SOC and haven't maxed Alex, investing in WW is better. But if you already have maxed Alex plus both of his museum buffs, i don't see why you should invest in WW
@@zestfanboy3188 im not talking like kvk3 stuff, Im about to enter my 8th kvk with Scip LC Nev Joan and Boudica YSG. Ive been denying ZL for soo long but I just found out his rage gen is even better than LC with extra attack if you hit multiple targets with ZL (expertise skill gives you 30 rage per target hit)
@@MrKleju Zhuge is game changing. I almost trade 2:1 on avg in field with herman/zhuge. Gorgo/Liu for comparison trades 1.53, herman/zhuge 1.91. Boudica/YSG 1.42. All have 8/8 gold gear all iconic with 3 crits.
As a cav main I think it’s completely fair infantry gets “stronger” new commanders then cavs. We got it good as it is, we don’t need to be god tier every kvk
For the 1st time in a long time. Im getting excited about ROK again. Lots of commander changes and updates. And it looks like the employees at Lillith are actually starting to listen to the people who play the game. That by itself is huge. The next few months will be very telling. Seems like there is a chance for things to start getting balanced out. And that could really change how the games played. Only time will tell though. Lillith has a horrible track record for making good things bad. Lets hope they are starting to make the needed changes to start correcting all the stuff they screwed up. Until then. Thanks for all the hard work bringing us the newest latest info. We appreciate you brother.
I guess it's all fairly vague as long as we don't know anything about his possible cooldowns or if Lilith just changes something before they release him...
Wm beeing primary for dueling obviously w. Not only the march got smite talent tree, his 3rd skill will almost always trigger by wm active skill which is more damage factor than LC
Yo Omni thanks for the video and the info ! Im close to expertise Liu Che and the pairing with William looks great if the smite tree is actually that good, I'm gonna keep my Liu Che Alex for now though, it works great still and perform really well on field , I'm only running 1 inf army so I think its enough for now , thanks for the video again , much appreciated man!
Greatest glory + dagger is arguably much better than ring + horn for this march. Like you say you dont need horn with LC expertise, having the greatest glory instead is basically 5% all damage. As for the dagger vs ring, its much more debatable, but probably similar overall
What was most interesting to me about these reports is cav did as good or better than Scipio LC against LC WW. But they also have more aoe so there's that...
One v one testing is a bit biased. Even in game you can't properly gauge the power due to armaments and proc'ed equipment. Still, this is an informative video. Keep it up
Creo que hasta que no salgan los talentos de Willian esas son las mejores referencias que vamos a tener liu primario Willian secundario. Gracias por el vídeo 👍
In my case, I'm going to max WW and replace Alexander, just because I already skipped Huo and Beli, so I have 830 GH, but the commander I wanted to replace was Guan, I was waiting for Sun Tzu prime to pair with Scipio
No I actually think If you have alex maxed already you can still use him and get good results .. If you run 2 infantry marches you might invest in WW but if you run only one march stick with leu che / alex
Judging by my experience, it's a whole bunch of stuff that must be considered. It's not only about commander's talent tree n skills, it's also about gear (most of f2p have probably iconic gear only), armaments (for almost a year the armaments are bunch of garbage, there's no chance to get armamnet with 3+ % of stats), crystal tech and city skin. Even tho I maxed liu che relatively early, I never got spectacular reports during kvk, which means I spent a tons n tons of rss n speedups to keep up with whales. I guess if one wants to be a badass one needs to swipe the card, Lilith obviously won't allow peasants to rule the game.
I think u should focus on the commanders most of us have. Lui Che Alex Scipio2 Zhuge hermann Boudica YSG xy Aeth Attila these are the commanders most of the non MGE lucky guys have. Belly prime huo Ash Gorgo are not skilled up even if summoned. I doubt i would ever replace an AOE guy with single target guy. I am going to wait and see on Wallace and Scipio3
Is Guan/Alex still viable and usable??? I don’t mean meta, just usable. If not I may switch my Liu from my Skippy to Alex and use Guan/Scipio. I love Scipio/Liu and I don’t want to separate them 😅
Could you use Martel in the tests in the future ? I see Boudica ysg is not that bad. We always have non meta marches which are still efficient. It's interesting to see the reports as well to decide if it is worth it to invest or not
My ways to level the playing field….archers should be the only ones with AOE, infantry should be the only ones with instant proc, and cavs have insane speed so people can never run away. Because they have spread out some of these attributes among all troop types, none of them are special.
Liu che's 1 v 1 rok simulator results were also very average, but we also knew he would accel in field with 5 target smite AOE. I do think WW will perform better than his test results in the field, but not to the level that Liu che performs in the field.
Itink huo did better as he could possible cycle faster for lower rage requirement before lc 4th skill reduced all damage by 10% making a slightly harder hitting march sometimes and sometimes lc would isntant prop skite and apply the debuff
I forgot to tell something We tested Grogo/Liu Che vs Liang/Herman and in average Gorgo/Liu Che won with 30k troops remaining Now look at simulator! You think Liu Che/Wallace is worst than Gorgo/Liu Che? Wallace actually lost to Liang/Herman with more than 70k troops remaining😂 Very very very unreal
So another big Hollywood name in Wallace that does nothing in the game Line him up with ceaser for the next museum buff if these reports play out this way
I'm sorry bro! It has already been proven that the in-game test results are completely different from this simulator. For example, pay attention to the test of Pyrrhus in the simulator and in-game. That's why I find this video a bit unhelpful
My theory is Wallace isn't a new "meta" rather a "counter-meta" against all the liu che marches out due to his normal damage taken reductions. These reports just further confirm this for me.
He is just as I expected him to be, average. I'm tryna convince a friend of mine to not invest on him coz she alr got 2 maxed inf marches and she is willing to keep using Boudica/Zuge instead of investing on Hermann so she can invest on William Wallace, which I think it's just dumb
@@OmniarchOfficial Considering she's using Liu/Alex and Guan/Scipio and hasn't got the Zuge/Hermann, I don't think she can justify investing on Wallace over Hermann
Man no disrespect but have you ever tested rok battle simulator compared to reality? I did, has no relevance when it comes to real results. All these tests have 0 value.
The problem with sargon that the skill damage doesn’t fired as one unit but it’s divided over time which give his enemies huge edge on him , there are a lots of single target commanders performing very will in open field But the really down side with this commander the 10s cooldown on his skills !!!
My only question is who will i run in my second inf march now. Ww/LC for one but guan sux now days and ive never heard of anyone running scip with gorgo
I question the accuracy of the sim. I have and use it, it isnt as accurate as I would want. I suspect he will be better. I was expecting better duel results. I never expected WW to break field meta. Field meta is 14 commanders, so its hard for 1 commander to break meta. As analyzed in plotos stream, WW lacks AoE and a debuff. That’s a big deal. I do however expect the rally commander to break the rally meta.
It makes no sense to use Ottomans in 1v1 for cavalry, it is used for open field because it is the most complete but it does not mean that it is the best for cavalry
