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@nneka824
@nneka824 2 года назад
As a young girl, I used to watch her skate and just be in AWE of her talent! NOBODY could do what she did. Her hairstyle was regal, and she had no equal. Beautiful, graceful, fearless, and powerful. That is Surya Bonaly on ice. Indisputably, she is THE G.O.A.T. and should be in all halls of fame dedicated to ice skating. Point blank periodt!
@t.w.8174
@t.w.8174 Год назад
Amen
@lesliepolk2039
@lesliepolk2039 3 года назад
No one remembers those skaters who competed against her. This woman is a very talented and gifted athlete.
@daniellescott477
@daniellescott477 Год назад
True story❤❤❤😂Love Surya⛸️⛸️
@darklinkx8
@darklinkx8 Год назад
At the end of the day they won. Deal with it. Almost doesn't count
@jjthoughts9920
@jjthoughts9920 7 месяцев назад
@@darklinkx8 Legends and Pioneers are more respected that someone who just won a medal that year. They won the battle but she won the War
@lu9682
@lu9682 6 месяцев назад
Wrong. I perfectly remember Oxana Bayul, Michelle Kwan, Kristine Yamaguchi, Irina Slutskaya, Maria Butyrskaya and others. So speak for yourself and your own short memory
@jjthoughts9920
@jjthoughts9920 6 месяцев назад
@@lu9682 well thankfully most people don't think like you. if we only determine peoples greateness based only off medals then we would have never known it would be possible to back flip on ice
@mandykao1226
@mandykao1226 6 лет назад
Surya is currently choreographing my new program for the next year, and I love her style of skating. She is pushing me and other skaters to embrace other types of artistic skating. She is such a kind, and dedicated person! Go Surya!
@simpletruth5927
@simpletruth5927 6 лет назад
Lucky you!
@KJG1979-h8r
@KJG1979-h8r 5 лет назад
You should feel very honored!!!
@soniquecat4745
@soniquecat4745 4 года назад
Wow... how is it working with her? Is she intense? Is she fun to be around?
@jamesgoines7663
@jamesgoines7663 3 года назад
Truly awesome to be in the presence of greatness. I enjoyed watching her impactful and revolutionary performance in the Olympics. It made us cheer.
@BiztosAngol
@BiztosAngol 2 года назад
Can she still do the backflip?
@pueraeternus111
@pueraeternus111 3 года назад
Has Surya Bonaly been inducted to the Figure Skating Hall of Fame yet? If not, she should be. She really pushed the sport's boundaries by adding acrobatics to her technical repertoire. Nowadays, we see skaters performing unconventional elements -- like cartwheels -- in their programs.
@frankmurphy1288
@frankmurphy1288 6 лет назад
Surya is and always will be one of the classiest, kindest, and (at the same time) ferocious athletes in history.
@ickslynga21
@ickslynga21 5 лет назад
SHE WAS ROBBED SO MANY TIMES!!! SHE WAS AND STILL REMAINS THE BEST!!!!! #1. IT'S PAINFUL TO SEE THE RACISM FROM THE JUDGE'S AND IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL TO GIVE ANY GREAT SKATER A LOWER METAL THAN WHAT THEY DESERVE- JUST SHAMEFUL HOW THEY ROBBED HER. BRAVO TO HER & WHAT SHE ENDURED AND FOUND THE STRENGTH & WILL TO KEEP COMPETING RELENTLESSLY & SHE'S JUST A BREATH OF ORIGINALITY & GRACE & IS A ONE OF A KIND WINNER & ATHLETE!!! MORE THAN SPECIAL...TY SO MUCH ❤❤❤
@tshimangadzomavhungu3563
@tshimangadzomavhungu3563 5 лет назад
I agree , she'll always be a queen if figure skating
@3e1rtamarraw
@3e1rtamarraw 5 лет назад
.....all this with the possibility to discourage her but she persevered and has inspired many not to give up no matter what....Thanks, Mum and Dad.
@manimal4136
@manimal4136 3 года назад
This is why we love her she didnt need a gold medal we all knew she was the best those medals mean nothing I'm a bodybuilder and in bodybuilding the worst guy on stage can win the Olympia because its political
@brendamaggio9189
@brendamaggio9189 Год назад
It's not based on racism. I was a figure skater in the 1970's and knew I could never compete. I was a poor white girl that grew up skating on ice ponds in Northern NY near the Canadian border. I didn't start lessons until I was 12, then got custom boots after a couple of years so I could jump and skate better. I was one of five kids, and my dad made about $9K per year when my parents started their family. My father's income didn't grow until I left home! At the age of 17 I went off to RN school and that was when I hung up my skates. I was not a rich girl like the ones that lived in Lake Placid, NY. If you are not rich and loved by the judges, you don't stand a chance.
@denverjohnson5640
@denverjohnson5640 Год назад
​@brendamaggio9189 classism may be another issue, but racism was absolutely a factor in Surya's case. It has be reported on by those who were behind the scenes that she didn't "look" like how a ice princess should look.
@BirdiePariRicoFriends
@BirdiePariRicoFriends 5 лет назад
I agree. Someone make a MOVIE about her!
@cmarie1759
@cmarie1759 3 года назад
Agree.
@DT-we2ye
@DT-we2ye 3 года назад
@@cmarie1759 a big part of her story is explaining and being the face of blatant racism in sports. I don't think she is ready for that kind of story...yet.
@fatimavilla4649
@fatimavilla4649 3 года назад
I think there is a Netflix documentary
@29kells
@29kells 3 года назад
There was one. Lifetime movie
@PanAfricanist
@PanAfricanist 3 года назад
It would be hard...who would they get to do the back flip
@tonidenisevocalstudio3118
@tonidenisevocalstudio3118 3 года назад
I use to watch Surya. She was something to behold! Remember Nadia Comaneci? She did elements in Gymnastics so far above the rest, such that they changed scoring system, because she was actually beyond the scoring system of 10... which they had to give her. For Surya she NEVER got the scores or recognition she truly deserved. They said her incredible backflip was illegal. She literally did a backflip on ice and the snubbed it😳 There was really nothing she could do if that didn’t do it. I highly doubt she would have been treated this way had she not been a woman of color.
@rayebaldwin9086
@rayebaldwin9086 3 года назад
Yeah, backflipping on one foot was awesome! Ofcourse it would have been different if she wasn't the color she is.
@alwaysrunning234
@alwaysrunning234 2 года назад
HONESTLY
@nneka824
@nneka824 Год назад
Absolutely 💯. They would have celebrated her instead. It's criminal the hate she's received instead of accolades and flowers.
@drewsdrawers
@drewsdrawers 5 лет назад
She’s aged very well. Lovely gal.
@mahdimimbalabatua9824
@mahdimimbalabatua9824 4 года назад
She is the world's best woman skate ever, no other than! She was robbed many times because of racism and insecurity.
@ndonuetakwi3463
@ndonuetakwi3463 3 года назад
@@caseytucker8373 not today . it was racism
@lu9682
@lu9682 6 месяцев назад
She lost because of lack of artistry and choreography and terrible skating skills
@flavorbyjazzy
@flavorbyjazzy 3 года назад
Surya Bonaly c’est toute ma jeunesse. Elle a été un formidable exemple pour les petites filles de la diaspora noire en France. Une véritable source d’inspiration. Quel talent, quelle présence et quelle grâce. Merci à vous de nous avoir fait rêver tout au long de votre carrière !!!!!
@GGRother
@GGRother Месяц назад
Never felt the same about the Olympics. Surya and her parents are incredibly inspiring, in my heart, Surya won the gold.
@elainemanley8074
@elainemanley8074 3 года назад
I never seen anybody do a backwards flip and land a one foot!!! Powerful skater!!! Need to make a movie about her life!!!
@tshimangadzomavhungu3563
@tshimangadzomavhungu3563 5 лет назад
She will forever be the best of ice skating
@godsmacks1000
@godsmacks1000 5 лет назад
I met Surya and her mother a few years ago. They were both extremely nice people.
@eunahhunter4936
@eunahhunter4936 4 года назад
A terrific moving speech especially since English is not her first language. She spoke succinctly and with an important message. Lovely lady and badass skater :)
@caro2233
@caro2233 3 года назад
did you really think so? i felt her text was not well-structured, it goes all over the place, and she's definitely not at ease when talking to people... i'm at 6mn into her speech and she's really struggling with her english as well as overcoming her stress... (i almost can hear her heartbeat speeds up like crazy! ^^) her stress is amazing considering the performer she is... she has two distinctive personalities : - a shy and modest little girl of 40+ who's not comfortable with the limelight, - a fiery, strong-willed and competitve woman who steals the lights on the rink. ... if i were her, i wouldn't stop bragging and story-telling! ^^
@dpcisunbreakable
@dpcisunbreakable 3 года назад
@@caro2233 Good thing this isn't about you.
@caro2233
@caro2233 3 года назад
​@@dpcisunbreakable... :) my previous comment is just 'analytic' , when i was watching her i really just wanted to go give her a cuddle tbh... i'm French myself, i am quite aware of how difficult it is to speak in front of people in another language...
@etherealenergy9471
@etherealenergy9471 2 года назад
I'm happy she got adopted by loving people who believed she could do more in life than the situation she was dealt. Surya helps motivate me to do more in life.
@mellio9077
@mellio9077 4 года назад
Surya is a rock star. Pure magic on ice!
@neferene1
@neferene1 3 года назад
Standing ovation from me! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@dorothytaylor7830
@dorothytaylor7830 2 года назад
I pray Surya gets the DUE RESPECT she deserves while she is with us. A special figure skating event should be held here in the United States of America since she is a USA citizen. 🙏🤗⛸⛸❤🙏
@ychenaaa
@ychenaaa 5 лет назад
She presented the best of her talent, the true herself instead of fit herself into a frame the sport and judge defined. She is remarkable. Outstanding. Bravo, girl. You don’t need to be the judges’ expected ice skating princess. They need an open mind.
@buatkitatermenung9224
@buatkitatermenung9224 4 года назад
she is a legend... wat an honoured for her to be there...
@emmystarlight
@emmystarlight 3 года назад
Absolutely wonderful Lady,better than all these arrogant judges who were probably just jealous of her potential.She is an innovater for sure.Big round of applause for Ms Bonali👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@nacanielinalewabau5211
@nacanielinalewabau5211 5 лет назад
A movie should be made about her. Lupita Nyogo would be the ideal choice to play her😘😍🥰
@vibesco500
@vibesco500 2 месяца назад
I love Lupita but she can’t do the back flip 😂
@DrBynoe
@DrBynoe 4 года назад
You’re A Born Champion, God Bless You...
@liasummers1824
@liasummers1824 6 лет назад
Grateful for her vision. She made history.
@patmctallica3522
@patmctallica3522 4 года назад
What a lady! I admired her in her active carrier. Her and awesome Kati witt. Her looks, her carisma, her professionality. All the best Surya Bonaly! Greets from Austria
@4thdimension760
@4thdimension760 5 лет назад
She was phenomenal.
@confidentlychar80
@confidentlychar80 5 лет назад
She is a beautiful person
@christopherwatkins9729
@christopherwatkins9729 5 лет назад
A true Champion... on ice... and in reality life too... Thanks Surya...
@RobertoBerrocal
@RobertoBerrocal 6 месяцев назад
Surya Bonaly you are just incredible, you change the sport forever! Nobody compares to your athleticism in the skating rink. I find it ridiculous the negative feedback you received from judges ...
@lululin9870
@lululin9870 3 года назад
She is one of the strongest female ice skater ever.
@elainef2206
@elainef2206 9 месяцев назад
Surya is a figure skating Icon. The best. Thank you Surya for the enjoyment you have given us all, your talent, grace and grit.
@muniama1
@muniama1 4 года назад
What a wholesome human being! I loved her speech. She is just fantastic; so humble and honest. A beautiful and powerful skater.
@Justhatipp
@Justhatipp 4 года назад
Omg such an amazing women!!! I can’t believe how much she has been kind of ignored because her talent surpasses a lot of people!
@1trschaefer78
@1trschaefer78 2 года назад
She was a trailblazer in figure skating, and never received the recognition she deserved.
@albertojaa8551
@albertojaa8551 5 лет назад
Diva fierce you’re a legend forever I admire you girl .... 💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐🙌🙌🙌🙌 surya you rock
@jjwsvtk9987
@jjwsvtk9987 4 года назад
A Queen.
@bamdooli
@bamdooli 4 года назад
JJWSVTK abi she was at the rink today ...so amazing
@bamdooli
@bamdooli 4 года назад
JJWSVTK abi agreed
@Lavidaesbuena66
@Lavidaesbuena66 4 года назад
What a fine, wonderful woman and a great athlete. I remembered all her great performances. She is a fantastic!
@simpletruth5927
@simpletruth5927 6 лет назад
YES!!! What a legend
@maximilianasmr7202
@maximilianasmr7202 6 лет назад
Love suyra 🖤 🖤 such a legend
@damntexan9121
@damntexan9121 5 лет назад
The True Heart of a Champion, The Soul of Courage, and the Strength of Mountains to crush the locks holding back Soaring Dreams. I Love and Adore you, your purpose and the future you've given countless people to dig deep within and boldly be You.
@thoughtfully
@thoughtfully 4 года назад
My goodness... the way she just dominates that rink... like when I have watched some of the other well known skaters... they almost seem surprised when they stick a landing... Ms. Surya seems to expect that she will, stick every landing, every time. Wow...
@wendyleewilliams1157
@wendyleewilliams1157 Месяц назад
Articulate, inspiring, the greatest!❤❤❤
@llady7884
@llady7884 4 года назад
Thanks a lot Surya.Don't change.You're a pretty and great woman😘😘
@tervenjames8305
@tervenjames8305 4 года назад
I swear I am obsessed with this woman 💖
@lorebay2593
@lorebay2593 4 года назад
Terven James LOL, me too! 😊
@tervenjames8305
@tervenjames8305 4 года назад
@@lorebay2593 ❤ her story is incredible it should be made into a movie
@lisagee3318
@lisagee3318 3 года назад
Sportsmanship of kindness it is amazing Wherever You Are
@TRADERSFRIEND
@TRADERSFRIEND 4 года назад
What a great story!!!!!!!!! A life of triumph!!!!!!!!
@ChrizzeyChreyBeatoli
@ChrizzeyChreyBeatoli 5 лет назад
The GREATEST!!!!!
@user-zv6yb9oo1p
@user-zv6yb9oo1p 4 года назад
The golden medal came with a cost of diminishing the brilliance and beauty. She skated on with her pride. 💜
@andreiaalmeida4705
@andreiaalmeida4705 5 лет назад
Surya you always the best woman and your testimony is so amazing for us ❤️❤️❤️👏👏👏🙏😉🙏😍
@ninise711
@ninise711 4 года назад
Merci Surya pour ton parcours, si inspirant pour toutes les personnes de couleur. Je t'ai découvert il y a quelques mois. Avant ça, je ne savais pas qu'une femme noire était arrivée jusque là dans le patinage ! Ca fait tellement du bien de voir que tout est possible. Chaque vidéo où tu apparais est un souffle de motivation pour moi. Donc encore merci !
@fahren299
@fahren299 Год назад
She gave more than she got from ice skating. Brava Surya.
@ericktorres4774
@ericktorres4774 Месяц назад
🎉Dios a estado contigo desde antes de nacer gracias por tu actitud por tu ejemplo,🎉 por abrir caminos por roper las reglas por no subirte al podio gracias ❤Dios te bendiga mas.🎉
@Cherchezlatrish
@Cherchezlatrish 6 лет назад
Always loved Surya Bonaly; one of my faves! Very different; not that soft but artistic nonetheless!!!
@picantomanmontgomery5732
@picantomanmontgomery5732 Год назад
Those judges that robbed will be ashamed of themselves by now . Everyone should be treated fairly irrespective of race .
@spacetimecontinuum
@spacetimecontinuum 2 года назад
Thank you Surya.
@mapuanakupuna3471
@mapuanakupuna3471 3 года назад
She changed the world!! TY Surya!
@isabelleballande9153
@isabelleballande9153 2 года назад
She is so great!! We miss her so deeply! God bless you, dear Surya! What a light in the sport! 🙏🕯
@Olibee1916
@Olibee1916 6 лет назад
They should make a movie about her instead of Tonya
@buffyslays5260
@buffyslays5260 6 лет назад
Olivia Bolivia Okay first,leave her alone. She is living a happy life right now. You don't even know her.
@Salviamente_Celes
@Salviamente_Celes 5 лет назад
instead? No. Inclusive. Sorority!!
@sergeikhmylov1557
@sergeikhmylov1557 5 лет назад
There is a great episode about Surya on Netflix series "The Losers". What an outstanding story of her life!
@godfathercpr3
@godfathercpr3 5 лет назад
@@sergeikhmylov1557 thanks!
@77dead
@77dead 4 года назад
Legend
@laetitiasimon9656
@laetitiasimon9656 3 года назад
💜👏Bravo Surya,femme grandement inspirante et Merveilleuse👏💜
@nappyqueen86
@nappyqueen86 Месяц назад
We love you !!
@PureFate
@PureFate 5 лет назад
This Lady should be on dancing on ice wow what a story xxx
@Ari-qo6qo
@Ari-qo6qo 3 года назад
always be my role model
@yokobyeol6255
@yokobyeol6255 5 лет назад
Pressed like before it even started
@bamdooli
@bamdooli 4 года назад
Jimi Jimi same
@wendybarker2
@wendybarker2 4 года назад
a rebel with a cause
@freetofly9752
@freetofly9752 3 года назад
Inspire Yes!
@yahannayahyahannayah8566
@yahannayahyahannayah8566 4 года назад
Gracious and beautiful
@t.w.8174
@t.w.8174 Год назад
Love her!!!
@Monkeygus1794
@Monkeygus1794 5 лет назад
Mujer que inspira a luchar por nuestros sueños.
@cashguyofficial1786
@cashguyofficial1786 6 лет назад
she is the secrete best ice skater. everyone can do a tripal axel
@andreacampbell8691
@andreacampbell8691 3 года назад
Power beautiful Power.
@yahannayahyahannayah8566
@yahannayahyahannayah8566 4 года назад
Your NATURAL mom/pa are happy and proud of you
@dpcisunbreakable
@dpcisunbreakable 3 года назад
Why did you have to mention that?
@AngelaBaldi
@AngelaBaldi 2 года назад
The backflip was cool, but I remember her most for her tireless attempts at the almighty quad, coming pretty close to executing it. These Russian "Quad Queens" owe everything to her.
@swatsoninchina
@swatsoninchina 5 лет назад
Watch her documentary on NETFLIX in the series LOSERS. It is amazing.
@josianemachadodeoliveira708
@josianemachadodeoliveira708 2 года назад
Emocionante...
@lorebay2593
@lorebay2593 4 года назад
Make a movie, who will do the skating! Only one Surya.
@ft-je3rs
@ft-je3rs Год назад
Love her
@jinhuaofficial1608
@jinhuaofficial1608 2 года назад
Definition of people's champion
@dorothytaylor7830
@dorothytaylor7830 Год назад
👏Surya Bonaly👏
@attachieattach5963
@attachieattach5963 5 лет назад
Oh my goodness
@luigegustavo1231
@luigegustavo1231 5 лет назад
Como não amar Surya Bonaly?
@johnjohnson3709
@johnjohnson3709 Год назад
I have seen her do the back flip and it was amazing but I did feel it did not look graceful and she probably does it better than anyone but it still does not look graceful which is something that is considered by the judges. She is an amazing skater.
@nappyqueen86
@nappyqueen86 Месяц назад
Graceful 😂…. If she was white you wouldn’t say that lol
@jyoungswag
@jyoungswag 3 года назад
❤️
@owlcoaching
@owlcoaching 2 года назад
she is amezing
@sophiareinbergs8730
@sophiareinbergs8730 2 года назад
Miss Surya Bonaly did a wonderful speech; I am inspired. Thank Miss Bonaly. God bless . I pray that you get married and have a lot of bambinos.
@cmgangel777
@cmgangel777 3 года назад
The should make a movie about title The Queen of The Ice.
@genharu6580
@genharu6580 8 месяцев назад
Hero
@josianemachadodeoliveira708
@josianemachadodeoliveira708 2 года назад
Das raras atletas q estao mais em forma na vida adulta q juvenil.
@Mynameisbemaia
@Mynameisbemaia 2 месяца назад
An example of how racism is still very real. If she was white, she would be a gold medalist receiving honors from national governments and being front paged on newspapers and magazines. It makes a huge impact when you have a parent that is supportive and encourages your goals.
@cvader7
@cvader7 Год назад
Her career depicts the life of all people of Africans descent on this planet. Never give up! I'm glad that the Aliens are here....Let's see where the focus goes now.
@aswathys2585
@aswathys2585 6 лет назад
First
@rabeccamanjolo
@rabeccamanjolo Год назад
I'm so inspired by you and I don't even like that sport.
@tominparis
@tominparis 5 лет назад
Obviously, some wounds are still fresh...
@dpcisunbreakable
@dpcisunbreakable 3 года назад
What's that supposed to mean?
@tominparis
@tominparis 3 года назад
@@dpcisunbreakable damn that' s old....that means she still fells bitter abut those years
@dpcisunbreakable
@dpcisunbreakable 3 года назад
@@tominparis Bitter about what? Using your own life experiences to talk about sportsmanship does not make one bitter, in fact it makes one stronger. They're called teachable moments.
@theoperatripleaxel5417
@theoperatripleaxel5417 4 года назад
She NEVER felt doing the backflip.
@caro2233
@caro2233 3 года назад
i absolutely love her but she's way too stressed to make public talks... first of all, the story goes all over the place, is not well-structured... and she looks like she's in a panic!! i just want go there and give her a massive hug!! ^^
@rayebaldwin9086
@rayebaldwin9086 3 года назад
Her first language isn't English it's French. I can say she did pretty good having challenges with speaking English.
@caro2233
@caro2233 3 года назад
@@rayebaldwin9086 i'm French myself. :) - and she's the same when interviewed in French. plus she's probably lived in English-speaking countries longer than i have. her english really should be much better than that, but i suppose she was 'home-schooled', and more focused on her sport. my english is better, but i went to a british university, so... (and i don't do sport... ^^) i think that contrast is amazing though : she's a strong, powerful, competitve athlete, yet she seems to still have confidence issues... as if she doesn't realise just how amazing she is...
@rayebaldwin9086
@rayebaldwin9086 3 года назад
@@caro2233 Well, why say home schooling is part of the problem on the effect on her speaking English. Maybe there is something else going on. Many kids go to public school and their English and Comprehensive skills are still messed up. It could be something else.
@caro2233
@caro2233 3 года назад
@@rayebaldwin9086 ... well her level of english is not as good as it would/could be should she have gone to uni... just a fact. many reasons to it ; one being that she was an athlete and the main focus was her sport... the main thing i wanted to say that it was kind of sweet to see that such an accomplished athlete is not 'over-confident'.
@dpcisunbreakable
@dpcisunbreakable 3 года назад
@@caro2233 Tell you what, you do her goddamned press from now on.
@opinionatorX
@opinionatorX 5 лет назад
Would have been cool if she had backed flipped off of the stage when she finished talking.
@veramickey6007
@veramickey6007 Год назад
Where’s her real family did she ever get to k ow her culture
@julieannedous2799
@julieannedous2799 4 года назад
The woman who refused to get onto the podium and ripped off her silver medal at the World Championships and disgraced her home country is now lecturing the World about the importance of sportsmanship?? 🤣 Yeah...that was a first for the sport, too. The rules are there for a reason, whether she understands them or not. Figure skating is not and will never be gymnastics on ice. I don’t miss her antics. I don’t miss her skating.
@lorebay2593
@lorebay2593 4 года назад
Julieanne Dous well, why you here? you have no say over what she did, does or ever, keep pushing, next. The ice community was not ready for this ice queen, she was too much for their old idea, they need some younger judges. Greatest skater, jumper, flipper and a lady.
@julieannedous2799
@julieannedous2799 4 года назад
Lore Bay Because I am entitled to my opinion as much as anyone else. That is why. History has been fair to her. The judges were fair. She is a woman, yes but a lady, no. Being a lady is an art form she never mastered. That is why she never won the international crowns. As for the future of the sport, I don’t really see much of one, especially since this pandemic so at this point, it’s really moot. I prefer to remember it as it was.
@lorebay2593
@lorebay2593 4 года назад
@@julieannedous2799 well your opinion in her case does not matter anyway, sometimes protest is required. She is a lady, an athlete and a wonderful woman, and you can't do anything about that either, so bye.
@BahamaWynters
@BahamaWynters 4 года назад
@@lorebay2593 Oh, good. She's gone.
@dpcisunbreakable
@dpcisunbreakable 3 года назад
Karen has entered the chat, ladies and gentlemen
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