There were custom guns like that in this era. Remington model 8s as well, sometimes outfitted with 20 rd box mags. Too bad the military couldn’t get their heads around the semi auto advantages for another 30 years
по тем временам 1903 года , этот карабин ,опередил историю с полуавтоматом стрельбы ,тем более с магазином ,как у пистолета .На его основе , Германия создаст карабин ShturmGever -42/43 ,а в СССР зделают СВС-36 , СВТ - 38/41, АК -47/ АКМ/СВД
Who knows? Maybe it can even read DNA! 🧬 Somebody would have to disprove that, because you never know, I mean, it LOOKS like just an old magazine, but there could be more than meets the eye! 😆🤣
I remember seeing Louisiana State Troopers with these back in the early 60's. They had extended mags in them like 15 or 20 rounders. It was an issued rifle back in the day.
I've seen rifles that had to wound up like a watch and old grease guns had cranks on them. But yeah this one is interesting too. Kinda like a backwards paint ball gun.
@@Whiskey-cr9dq John Moses Browning had patented the charging handle on the bolt, who then sold it to Remington as part of the Model 8 self loading rifle. So Winchester couldnt use it.
And also the locked breach was patented at this time. So this rifle was a straight blowback and it really pushed the limits for a rifle that was to compete with the Remington Model 8. This rifle did see service in World War 1. Prior to machineguns, air crews needed a way to shoot for whatever reason, so the French bought some 1907s. The Model 8 was also used for this role.
@@prointernetuser Could be anything from complexity to price to reliability in adverse conditions. Early semi auto rifles had a whole host of issues that made them a pain. Though from the look of it this rifle was a combination of lack of demand as the role it was to fill was better served by other weapons at the time, price as it was relatively pricey though not nearly as much as you would think and bad timing. It began production in well 1907 in a time period where the US was in its isolationist mindset.
Actually the 1907 in 351 Self Loader, what we see here, was shipped in bulk to the French in WWI.. It served effectively, however dye to its limited range. It was not widely desired. Ballistics very similar to today's 350 Legend..180 gr Buller at about 2250 fps..
@@geigertec5921The semiautomatic rifles were more expensive to produce, and when outfitting entire armies, price is key. Also, semiauto weapons were new and somewhat unproven in battle. Finally, military leaders still had relied on battle tactics originating in the Napoleonic era. They were afraid soldiers would waste too much ammo with bolt action rifles, let alone semiautomatic ones. Interestingly though, there are cases where semi automatic weapons were used in the war. This was on a very small scale though.
@@geigertec5921They had Alot of back and forth about different options back then, but the main reason I forget which general or top brass guy was against it just like back when they went from beach loading up to mag (grunt's will just waste all the ammo, get scared and either dump all of it or runout of what they had on them as they didn't carry Much) plus they were worried about reliability issues, training soldiers to fix things like jam's mid fight in stress, don't have to retrain the entire armory staff and less stuff to break for them to need to fix, cost was another BIG deal and I'm not sure how quickly they could have pumped out these guns even if somehow they had Winchester and Remington making the exact same gun and caliber (never would happen) ontop of the civilian success they had and we also already had them busy with regular rifle's, pistol etc for us and our ally's the main one being we NEEDED as many of those sweet sweet trench brooms of freedom for the Germans tench's so they could cry more, the other big thing is in almost every military situation it's hard for regular people to understand the scale they're operating on . They need all these guns, spare parts, trained repairman, a logistical and reliable pipeline of more components, guns or anything related for before and during war, Also we as a country had REALLY started to come together as a serious military power now that we got our independence, natives, Mexicans, Spanish, French, British again twice... And our civil war... Then again Spain and somehow the Philippines then Guam.. we pretty much been at war sense we had the first one to exist, the civil war was obviously a HUGE setback as we took the hit of both armies and then we had to build railroads to connect all of our people to be one full country because we're so spread out and then of course stop all the natives rating on the way over, and then from there they were still coming out of the civil war and into the late pretty much the same way as we left the civil war with a lot of guys using Springfield trapdoor rifles which are single shot breach loaders, or alot of modified muskets to breach loaded of different caliber, manufacturer it was a shit show and Alot of guys brought there own guns, like if they had a lever gun so we started really trying to be a giant cohesive force now we are all one, The Spanish war REALLY opened our eyes as to how bad of shape we were and how Superior they were compared to us with tactics equipment and everything and we basically copied a lot of things that they did but luckily we still won but they are the exact reason why we went from using the old school ball looking ammunition from the old rifles that you see into the new modern type rifles that are pointier that you see all over the place in the military like the 30 06.. it's called a spitzer bullet and WAYY more accurate, areo dynamic and does insane damage especially with more weight in the back they saw tumbling and expanding/fragmenting rounds for the first time and They Also had modern bolt action rifles so we dropped everything and the entire military agreed on a bolt action, magazine held stripper clip fed full size and power battle rifle and they had weird ideas about range and different things but whatever. So basically from the start of the 1900s we all agreed on the 1903 model rifle and I think it was showing a little before that started getting produced and we started buying them up for a military so now we all had the same done same parts I wanted to have one for every single soldier as well as ammunition storage foreverybody and parts as well and it was a very powerful rifle for the time super advanced almost no issues and you could hit somebody as far as you can see and you could actually go through pretty good armor and even really early tanks from up close. It takes a long time to get half a million rifle's, parts all the logistics trained armorer's, training for marksmen, and a shit ton of ammo storage. The first world war started in 1917 I believe and I don't think it by then they still had everything done yet which was 15 years later and it would have been that much worse if in 1908 or so they saw this new rifle and reset all over again and the benefit really wouldn't have been that great compared like yeah you might have had a little bit more but for all the extra effort and then it's an untested weapon and doctorine... Plus mounted real deal machine guns started being the norm as well as mortars, armored vehicles and all new tactics... other big problem most of the war was locked in trench warfare, semi auto rifle would not be much of a help and every army had big old rifle's and trenches were not close per say but not too far and taking pot shots and all the sniper's who specialize in trench sniper fights or sneaking out and sniping the man on the machine gun And keep killing any new ones while you're Men charge... Using a (for that time) EXTREMELY underpowered cartridge If I recall it's not much better than . 30 carbine was nowhere near the range, accuracy, power and retained power at range to blast barriers etc, the 30.06 is going to shoot way beyond your eyes and might kill someone a mile away at chow for all u know lol bullet drop and all was worse on the semi as well, they weren't the new style spitzer bullet and that's what they wanted, then of course the B. A. R. being the same caliber and similar size but heavier and the new mounted mg's with shotgun's and 1911 up close the bolts were just there for filler and cover fire, that ontop of the browning. 50 and . 3006 machine guns and the B. A. R. All the same caliber ( not. 50 but yeah) ALOT Less logistics as . 50 was more anti everything but personel.
@ProtikPC_pro_indigo I used a Super X2 for years, and bought an X3 when they came out, for duck & goose hunting. You can shoot 3½ mags all day & not feel a thing
@ProtikPC_pro_indigo You'll like this then! I was fortunate enough to grow up 15 minutes from a gun club & started shooting clays at 10 years old. By my mid to late 20's, I had acquired a nice little collection of higher end over & unders, and sporting semi's. I bought my SX2 just before the start of early goose season, and decided to take it to the club for one of our regular outings, to get a feel for it. The first time I ever shot it, I blew away my personal record on the skeet field with it!
My grandpa had one of these as a truck gun for years. It was older than he was, but it worked flawlessly. It had an aftermarket magazine and a short stock with a rubber shock absorber. It now belongs to his best friend Darryl, who still uses the old thing on a regular basis. I'd love to have one, but they're pretty steep these days...
The quality ones, yes, I totally get that! Wood is good and blue is a sweet hue! I do like some moderns, but they have to be really something. For me, it’s a certain style that matches a certain mood.
@@shockwave6416Oldies pretty much have the look and their performance isn’t necessarily less than moderns. I’m also about the worst human being for taking digs at certain guns because of the looks or the name, if there’s something to go by, like high jam rates and mech problems. Like the Rossi, I just say Janice Rossi, if you’re familiar with the 1990 movie GoodFellas. 😆😈🤣 You cannot really have fun w/o making fun.
@@grahambrown1980i mean if that was true precision benchrest wouldnt be domimated by fiberglass, carbon fiber, and alloy metal chassis. Wood looks good but it also swells and isnt exaclty the best for accuracy
I used to not be a fan of classic guns when I was like 14-18. I wanted the newest and coolest AR semi auto platform. Now I’m 24 and find these old guns absolutely fascinating.
Its funny you say that, I was in our Units Combat and pistol team, and being in the National Guard at the time we were allowed to sign out our weapons and take them home. No joke. fully auto M16 1988 to 1999 is when I was in. But today, i dont even own an AR15, I prefer Lever Action rifles, shotguns and I do have a .45 and a .357. But i love my lever action .357. Its crazy accurate and easy to operate.
@@spudthegreaterusa8386 I couldn’t imagine being able to take my m27 or m45 back home to shoot lol. I bet if we could a lot of Marines would have better qual scores.
@jacobkean03 Hey, the ironic thing is I was in the Airforce. A KC 135 Crewchief. Go figure right. But it was completely legal, just most members didnt take advantage of it.
its direct blow back it has no delay like with a gas system. just know it didnt catch on because it puts alot of wear on the internals when firing big boy bullets. direct blow back still works fine and is used to this day with alot of smaller calibers
Beautiful rifle. T. C. Johnson design the 1907 Winchester These were primarily used by prison guards. The .351 WSL came with 5,10 and20 round magazines. Its latter spinoff, the 1910 in .401 WSL was an absolute freight train of a cartridge. It developed over 2000 lbs/ft. at the muzzle.
Weird rifle, but I kind of like it, it was for both left and right handed people 100 years before producers started care about left handers. And I very like this type of rear sight.
I don't think this video shows that we have progressed all that much. Optics are outdated. Obviously this weighs a little more than some modern rifles. But that can be debated as whether it's a pro or a con. Honestly this is a viable hunting/self defense/ and all around sport rifle to this day.
Just want to point out how difficult keeping “ECO” blued steel perfect over the ages is. My model 28-2 N frame which was my grandpas carry as a sheriff in the 60s has the original finish with next to zero pitting. With a 6inch muzzle it’s hard to keep clean in the wild. It also shoots a 3inch group at 75yrds consistent. Old= good still
I carry a Model 28-2 or a Colt Trooper Mk III on my security job. They are the best guns I have ever owned. But I sure would like to get my hands on that Winchester!!!
It's blowback operated with a massive breech block extension that goes all the way under the handguard. But that pressure's gotta still be hard to slow down.
.351 win self loader cartridge is difficult to find, but not impossible. Or cheap. Which is why this round and maybe the only rifle chambered for it, are much more practical for a hand loader like myself. Dies are available and the rest is common components. The rifle itself is no longer a bargain however, and probably aren't going to decrease in value. Ever again. Also, there are high capacity magazines and I've seen a couple with pistol grips and carbine length barrels. This was quite advanced for 1907 and is now a great American classic firing a very cool round that many gun enthusiests have never even heard of, which I will always find much more desirable than another .35 rem or .308 any day. Very cool piece of American gun culture
Pretty sure, more often than not, lead core bullets hitting steel targets always smash into a million pieces like hitting playdough with a sledgehammer
@@samaalizade2843apparently not the best warrior. The u.s. Marines bested them at every turn! I do have respect for them but to say they are the best is just wrong.
Other early autoloaders include the Remington model 08 in .35 Remington and the first gas-op autoloader, Delaware's own "Standard Arms Corporation of Wilmington Delaware" Model G (for gas) also in .25, .30 and.35 Remington. It was about 70 years ahead of it's time as you could shut off the gas valve and switch it to pump action! That's right, it operated like a SPAS-12 back in 1911-1912! Standard also made a pump only version called the Model M (surprise!) They were only in production for about a year. There was also a Swiss made semi auto called "Mondragon" in 7x57mm Mauser that was issued to the Mexican army about 1907-1910.
@@theandycrunkmondragons of any variety are insanely pricy and rare, even incomplete ones have sold for 8k+. Probably much better to get a mauser. Personally I prefer the K98k but any model 98 mauser rifle will be great. Gewehr 98s in 7.92x57 Mauser were made for a lot of different countries over the years, turkish ones should be relatively inexpensive
Thank you for treating your items with care instead of **throwing* them on the table, like a fool, as so many others foolishly do. Ten out of Ten to you.
You can see just how much oomph this unique round and cartridge has. Taking a hit in a ballistic vest or plate would probably feel like you just got hit with a cannonball.
It has about the same energy than standard issue US military 556 M855A1. Just looked it up because this felt wrong. Big bullets do big damage, medium bullets at twice the velocity do big damage with less weight and more range. Fuck grammar I'm drunk but also am gun nerd me right dyor ok love u bye grandma.
