Wind blades and solar panels head for landfills after being replaced 

They just let the FF industry write their scripts at this point.

Just wait for all these batteries. It will destroy the entire environment

​@@floridaarmyvet3613 they can recycle them, they just choose not to because it eats a little into profit

@@floridaarmyvet3613 Lithium batteries recycle well and often perform better after recycling than before recycling. There are already companies doing this - especially with electric car batteries.

A lot of the parts are high impact plastics. A petroleum product, mined. Like lithium, a more insidious earth element let loose into the environment. Just gets sadder. It’s really out of control like the weather.

They leading edge get destroyed fairly quickly and loses all efficiency, must be all the eagles they chop through.

@@manoo422 See how tough they are, against a Canada goose.

Purposely designed to have a lifespan , that way they can make more money on long term maintenance contracts. In turn this means chopping up more balsa wood , processing and manufacturing thousands of tons of polyester resin and epoxy resin , plus thousands of tons of glass fibre cloth , plus thousands of tons of CO2 in transport . Every service interval . Kinda funny how these blades only have a rotational tip speed of a few miles an hour and a short lifespan yet they can build an aircraft wing to last many decades and survive airspeeds of several hundred miles an hour . Money money money !!!!

​@@newagetemplar6100my guy... No that is not the reason

I dunno, I've seen plenty of videos of the blades destructing...

Right?! I guess we just need to keep using fossil fuels. Drill baby drill! Florida is almost under water, we're so close!!!

The recycling industry is young. An industry only 2-3 decades old is young, very young.

I wonder why everyone is buying property on the beach because it’s not going under water.

No the solar wind is young and falling apart at the seams

@@jcf536farrier5 Fema and insurance companies take care of the hurricane aftermath. Good plan eh?

That makes too much sense. Plus how would "they" get get their cut?

I love this idea!

@@MyUtubeScott oh plenty would get their cut

No attribution?

Brilliant!

Correct. You have energy inputs for construction and demolition/disposal. With non-renewable sources, you have energy inputs for construction and demolition/disposal, and to fuel the thing to generate electricity all through its life. That third one dwarfs the other two.

You should try googling that, rather than assuming you’ve discovered some big secret.

What you need to remember is that that cost to manufacture, transport, and reuse (not dispose of, this story doesn't have it correct. It's a little behind. These technologies move too fast for these type of main media reporting that takes quite a while to produce) are increasingly being done using renewables. IE: solar and wind powering panel manufacturing factories, and electric trucks doing the hauling, etc.

Me thinks "clean energy" is a net loss.

Someday it may be possible to build green with green. Meaning as little as possible fossil fuels used during construction of renewables. Cannot 100% end fossils as things still require oil. Products made of plastics etc still come from fossil resources.

Curious how this effects the EROI

I researched this over 10 year's ago and there were a few scientists, engineers and environmentalist that raised the red flag on this problem. The mainstream response to the trash tsunami back then was "the people will figure out by then how to safely recycle them to be used again and not pollute our landfills with the toxic chemicals and heavy metals". Welp it seems no one has and it's started.

Some of us saw thru their b s years ago. If it' sounds to good to be true, it's more than likely a line of bull_ _ _t

Maybe we already are? For example maybe that's the real cause of some large mineral deposits

Yep...but some places (like Bend Oregon) turned their big landfill into a methane plant. Might as well use all the off gassing.

More truth about the LIE of green energy. Not to mention we do not have a "climate crisis", which is again another LIE. Second only to the unscientific theory of evolution, man-made global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated against humanity by earth-worshipping zealots who are stealing $trillions of your tax dollars to fund their false religion and lies.

Remember, every usable item you throw away is worth a full day of rations for our kids in the garbage mines. (i'd love to give credit, but I don't know who came up with this first)

Already happening. Look at your third world countries.

That's a good idea! Repurposing is always a good idea and the fact no one is trying to find a solution and just dumping it into the landfill isn't very "green" of them

They aren't unbreakable and 100 foot tall fence that's 20 feet thick isn't particularly useful anywhere. They literally start to break down as soon as they start spinning.

Sounds like a good idea until you think about it for 5 seconds.

They're made like wings so they'll likely fly off in a strong wind.

Lol. That's how we get the right on board. Build the wall out of it.

Which should apply to all industries

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Yes, but as they stated we have a solution now thank God! Dementia go through the first second and third act in the matter of two minutes I’m impressed. They introduced the characters, they created problem, and then they present a solution to the problem.

@@BVonBuescher It is not a solution for all of it. Only a tiny fraction, plus it is still cheaper to dump in a landfill then send it to one of these very few plants that exist. wind generators have been around for OVER 40 years in America. only now they start..

Curious how much energy and waste are going to be generated removing the two old coal fired plants in my area sitting next to the ocean, deteriorating for more than a decade after being decomissioned while the company owners stall on taking them down. I don't find it funny at all.

You better look onto how much coal ash those things generate every day. Way worse than shutting it down. Most of the coal plant can be melted down and recycled

energy needed to dispose of them is very small compared to the lifetime output of the turbines

And most all of it subsidized by our tax dollars.

Atomic mb

100% expected, and 99% better. fossil fuel plants generate waste continually in the form of NOx, CO2, and particulates. And worst of all, directly into the air! Coal is even worse, with the coal ash. But those are disposed continuously so there's no big news story. A garbage truck every day or year over year increase in lung canser and asthma doesn't make the news. But its more significant than a few pounds of waste per person

They become ski hills in Michigan

Those panels have probably 98-99% capacity left. Modern panels degrade .5-1% a year.

Yes, It's 90% from 20 to 23% maximum on a solar panel.

Why did the people who owned the solar panels get rid of them after 3 yrs if they were so great?

@@charlesyoung2530 most are from industrial applications not individuals Such as when they upgrade a solar farm or remove for an example an oil well

@@charlesyoung2530 solar panel tech advances so quickly that they can fit more watts worth of panels in the same area. When that happens they replace the older low wattage panels with newer high wattage panels increasing the max power the array can produce without needing more land.

how much oil compared to the coal or gas that would be needed to generate the same amount of energy?? it's peanuts

Those councils are usually led by proponents of fossil fuels and utiities who obviously don't want home solar to succeed. Or at least hold them back as long as possible.

Ok, but why are the power companies junking them well before the loans are amortized? Something doesn't smell right.

@@gregorymalchuk272 They're not junking them, they're selling them and getting some value back. Yet replacing them with newer panels with twice the power but cheaper than the originals. Their cost have come down that much that quickly. Remember, when you're not paying for fuel on a daily basis, it's all profit other than the maintenance. These are many folds cheaper to build than fossil fuel or nuclear plants. Now, if you were paying for a loan for building an expensive coal plant, let's say, that loan will take forever because your income is constantly being used up in fuel costs. Why do you think fossil fuel companies are so threatened by them, and spend so many billions trying to stop them?

@@gregorymalchuk272 because you cant just mixed old panels with new ones... You need to replace the whole batch... And because solar panels are cheap, they buy bigger producing panels to replace old ones.

@@jetfu400 If you can't mix and match solar panels how come I am managing to do so on my installation??? You just have to use your brain when paralle and series connecting them!

Waste disposal is one of the biggest polluters of any energy extraction. This is where Nuclear is far in a way the best source. The entire waste of nuclear material for a person lifetime energy requirements in the use in 1/4 cup of mildly enriched uranium

well...ya dont sound confused to me.

Civilization is a heat engine, no matter which way its powered!

There's a lot more material than that, and it stays dangerous a long time, so it's not insignificant. but I like the idea of deep boreholes onsite that buries the waste out of human reach

It all should have been figured out over 50 years ago lol.

Yes and not from Fox News.

Because then the companies would not want to do solar. They'll get fined too much. Money makes the world go round.

Um, yes, it does, actually. Coal ash is recycled. It's used in concrete and wallboard materials.

Could be argued that even the co2 can be recycled as trees need co2 and sunlight for photosynthesis.

And yet they require orders of magnitude less than fossil fuels. That says something of how inefficient fossil fuels are. By the way, most of a wind turbine can be recycled. Solar panels are a bit more complicated

And I love how CBS is treating this like "breaking news!"

It will take few full solar and wind equipment lifetime cycles (50 years) for people to realise that nuclear takes way less labor, resources and land to produce same clean but on demand electricity for about the same cost. Its only expensive right now due to high cost of financing due to uncertainty of regulatory future.

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@@antronx7 But those are the hardest things to fix, regulations and financial viability. Ever try to get a politician to do a right thing?

@@mintheman7 You just have to elect conservatives to kick out anti-nuclear activists from the government. Get rid of those who place roadblocks for nuclear. Then it becomes easy to finance since ROI is more certain.

@@antronx7 Lol, because the new "conservatives" are known their support for for science and evidence based decision making. The fact you think it is a partisan issue just demonstrated my point.

exactly

Stop your lying.

@@charlesyoung2530 Who is lying? Please elaborate!

I wish I lived in Finland. My life would be much better in many ways than in the US. They actually take care of their citizens.

Bullsh!t! Explain how they recycle the waste from Finland's nuclear power stations please!

​@@andrewallen9993they are stored in the power plant.

@@wedmunds As I said Everything in Finland recycled? Bulls!t, thanks for agreeing with me :)

whatever makes you sleep at night...

true, oversight and capture methods have to be in place for sure. Although it's not impossible. Tbh if tossing stuff wasn't so cheap they'd probably be doing it by now

Large particulate can be captured easier than co2 or other gases.

Thousands of panels? Try TENS OF MILLIONS of panels. And the process costs about $40 per panel to recover $3 in valuables. That is not a misprint. So, who in their right mind will recycle these panels? And WHY is nuclear so easily discarded as a solution? Gee, that's a great question.

No do fossil fuel

No such thing as saving “a ton of money”. You are saying ‘a 2000 of money’. ?????

Two immediate problems. Most people cannot wire a plug. AND many people live in apartments and condos, so have NO control over where they get power. And to the first commenter, pennies weigh a ton, so he may have actually saved 2 tons. What a wasted comment...

They did say why. As solar panels improve their efficiency the old ones are being removed. You have to remember, these solars panels are relatively new, so practically every year theyre improving and making newer and better models. Then the old ones are being replaced.

@@JayForsure But why would you rip out perfectly good panels to replace them with marginally more efficient panels? The usual rule of thumb is that a panel loses 1/2% of efficiency per year - but some are doing better than that in practice. A four year old panel is probably still 98% efficient (or more). Given the cost of buying and installing the new panels versus the benefits of any marginal improvement in energy generated there has to be another reason - poorly thought out tax breaks, possibly?

@@malcolmrose3361 it comes down to space efficiency and profits.. Newer 450+ watt panels take the same square footage as a 3 year old 330 watt panel. They already received the tax incentives on first install. Now receive another tax incentive for the upgrade plus increased profits from higher outputs and resale of aged panels to wholesalers.

Government subsidies, AKA socialism. Making the tax payer pay for what would be a failed plan.

That's what I don't understand. Why are utility scale companies junking panels after 4 years, well before the loans are amortized, even before the panels are fully depreciated? Something doesn't smell right to me.

Ask the same question about coal and natural gas. And the scale

I did not know that, now I am even happier that I saved money and purchased used panels.

Correct. Just massive amounts of money for China and politicians

Most used solar panels have nothing wrong with them in my experience.

problem solved!

Yup often even see free from remodels....pity USA panels aren't up to par euro Theirs are warranted 50 yrs and due to weather in Europe their designed to work in overcast weather

Yeha ive been thinking of adding some solar to my cabin to cut some reliance on the 'iffy' power out there. Certainly gonna look into finding used panels for something like this...

Panels have a warranty for 20 to 25 years. These panels will still be producing 50% or more of its capacity in 50 years. The oldest panel ever made and still in service is still producing energy.

@@mirthenemrys there’s a great do-it-yourself guy on RU-vid..young and very technical who has a ton of how to for off-grid solar deployments. he also tests gear and has links to people selling used but working panels, and he tests everything he promotes to show you what you’ll actually get for your money.

I don't doubt that there is a brisk market in used solar panels. But I still don't understand how utility scale solar power projects can justify trashing their equipment when the loans haven't even been amortized.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say your son is quoting Exxon strategy papers from their campaign to maximize fossil fuel profits while positioning to play a big role in the new energy century.

@@pluribus_unum And if I didn't know any better, I'd say you just don't like hearing truth. Don't you have some soup to throw at someone else's property?

@@DarkPassenger - Your bigotry is not an asset to you or anyone else.

@@DarkPassenger Isn't that what Fox brain washed peasants are known for? Projection at its best... LIDDLE CHEETOS... or should I now say PIZZA from the hands of your Messiah?

Does your MESSIAH "Engineer" son care to talk to YOU about the disasters fossil fuel have... are... and will continue in the future? Not convenient to have that sort of comment?

Wait for all.these batteries. You think China isn't destroying the ocean making these? They don't care.

@@floridaarmyvet3613 Exactly my point. We destroy our own environment with anything we build or do. The oil and gas industry is responsible for a great deal of our pollution, battery production will be no different. Just like always, we will end up killing many of our fellow humans in the name of progress, then just say “oh yeah our bad, sorry about that” 50 years later. It’s been the same story since the industrial revolution.

Yeah it's pretty disgusting to think people have cell phone mentality when it comes to solar panels so now this is a "problem" that we have for landfills. Oh no the panel only makes 80% of it's rated power output, lets throw it away and get a new one!

I want to go to these landfills & collect solar panels & car batteries.

@@Mike__B People respond to financial incentives. The government gives out helicopter money to "upgrade". This is what happens when the true cost of something is not borne by the buyer in a free market. The government should focus on best ways to deal with externalities (taxing for the cost of eventual recycling panels, etc)

All with government grants, take away the subsidies and the grift is over.

Recycling is a fraud.

We also don’t show on most lists of cutting edge cancer research.

I know of used panels who have been given away for almost nothing to build a PV plant in a rural area.

there are places in arizona selling used 250-watt panels for $50. the ones that get scrapped are the ones that are physically damaged, usually the glass is broken. the reason you see used panels selling for more is because in order to ship them, they have to be packaged. new panels are already packaged so you pay more to package the used ones.

@@marzsit9833 Yeah there is this town called Gilbert that almost always has solar panels like that. I have considered going down there via plane and then renting a box truck and making the 16 hour trip home. Box truck would be far better than drving my own truck which really can only support 2 pallets weight and size with my 9x8 flat bed. Box truck could fit quite a bit more. While I am down there I should be able to pick up ground mount rack to support 30kwh of solar along with the panels and a enough wire and some other odds and ends for 5k to 7500 including truck rental, gas, plane tickets and 2 or 3 nights hotel stay. I have read that there are companies when they take down large systems they sample test so many of them then pallet them up for broken and non broken then sell them at steep discounts because all they have to do is pallet them and not test or wash them. These can be had at major discounts and maybe 10% of them might be bad. Even if that is the case its still a lot better than one would think. There is no point in buying new if I do not have to and used will still last a long time. I intend to over panel my system per what ever the specs allow. This will make up for any degeration in the panels and allow for a much more energy for more parts of the day rather than a super high peak. For example if you system is rated for 20kwh and you can over panel at 40kwh you will bring in 20kwh for 12 hours rather than for 5 or 6 hours. This is why used panels can be super profitable if you sell back to the grid with a hybrid system, having enough energy to charge your battery bank, run your daily loads while selling back to the grid at the same time. While the peak load is nice it offers less. If you run a standard load of say a few kwh hourly being able to bring in a larger amount of solar early in the morning is better than not being able to do anything. I am running a solar fan test and I want to see what voltage the DC fan will take as I could then get a much larger panel ( higher voltage ) and have the fan kick on much earlier in the morning and later at night. This will allow for more use of said fan rather than peak hours. I am still wating on a much better hybrid inverter that offers so much more than they do right now. Something in the 10 to 20kwh range which is more than enough to keep up with any peak and demanding loads of any home. Up to 4 times the solar and up to 1k volts solar. Can wonk in any mode, grid only, battery only, solar only ( which means no need for grid or battery ) any combo of those 3. Another mode that I would like to see is battery back up. When the inverter has no battery yet has a battery that just keeps the system on and tells you the voltage and so on of everything time and date and things like that yet has no storage its self. So if the grid is down and you have no battery then the system will power on when there is enough sun and powers down when the sun goes down. Having that back up battery will allow the system to ideal all the time and keep that battery charged yet allowing you to check system and monitor it when the sun is not out. In the morning when it starts to get light out it can log the data as for time when the system is ready to fire up and when the system fires down. The more solar you have the more power you can have early in the morning and late at night. Meaning that if you wanted you could live battery less pretty easy.

Maybe they could teach you English.

another couch potato lays it our for all.

They're made with a ton of fiberglass, which is damaged from UV rays and starts falling apart, or gets hit by birds, hailstones, etc. Compromised Fiberglass is a major health hazard, similar in a lot of ways to asbestos in that the fibers can enter your lungs and never leave, and the processing and resins may also be carcinogenic. Damaged "used" blades as playground equipment sounds like it's going to be a class action lawsuit in a few years. Using it as a fuel makes a lot of sense to me but I think large wind farms are a blight on society and our natural landscapes, and their negative effects on the environment are only exceeded by hydroelectric energy installations. I hope we move away from both and focus on solar and molten salt nuclear as clean energy sources.

There certainly are. But without a lucrative investment opportunity there's no motivation to find those ways. It's clear that the environment isn't a consideration; only profit and growth.

@@brassmule its not like old tires are chopped up on playgrounds floors and on soccer fields releasing toxic fumes in the summer. oh wait, its already done to kids health. this windmill fiber glass can be resealed and fix for other purposes. recycling is 90% a scam unless you reuse it 10-100x times.

It is the batteries that costs the big bucks! Unless you just want them fir daytime use,

You can't burn fiberglass genius. They grind it up and use as replace for fly ash in cement. The video showed it clearly. Do you need hearing aids?

Kinda like that BP oil spill in the Gulf. They just sprayed chemicals on the oil to make it sink to the bottom so we couldn't see it.

More truth about the LIE of green energy. Not to mention we do not have a "climate crisis", which is again another LIE. Second only to the unscientific theory of evolution, man-made global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated against humanity by earth-worshipping zealots who are stealing $trillions of your tax dollars to fund their false religion and lies.

Lol!😂😅😂😅

You do realize that with todays coal plant filter technology, the air coming out of those stacks is extremely clean, right?

@@matthewm3912 you realise that is not the problem, the soot can be filtered out, the CO2 is not. The soot is a local problem, CO2 a global one, and the one that needs to be fixed.

The difference is huge. Wind energy is about 50 times less carbon intense than fossil solutions, when all life cycle emissions are considered.

@@Simon-dm8zv I’m glad we got to the bottom of that

fiberglass should be dump in the cement to reinforce it.

Does the subsidiaries affect the carbon neutrality?

Most things can't really be recycled. We were lied to about plastic being recycled, 80% of the types of plastic we reuse are not recyclable.

Retaining walls, foothpaths, tool sheds, roofs, shade canopies, ...anything that needs a weather resistant, reasonably flat material.

@@nos9784 Fencing? might look weird, but they are durable.

@@chrisperry9002 no, we aren't. You know who is, though? The billionaire donors of conservatives around the world.

Its still to much stuff. And some of it is indeed toxic.

And the rough weather lately?.. Look at all the debris that used to be functional homes and businesses. Quality and responsibility need to be placed morally in decision making processes. But they have something else in mind.

The silicon cells themselves degrade with time. Just giving them a lick of paint won't fix that.

I've got a feeling there's plenty of CO2 coming from them when burned. I'd bet there's plenty of heavy metals and CO2 when the solar panels are melted down, too.

All that resin and fiberglass, burns clean I'm sure...

Burning plastic is pretty horrible.

@@headspaceandtiming2114 Not to mention all the toxic waste from the chemicals used to make them, but hey that's tomorrow's problem right.

They absolutely should be offering them to the general public.

Yes. Not sure of the best source, but google "used solar panels for sale". Most seem to have good deals for bulk sales.

SanTan Solar sells used panels. I got mine from there, absolutely love them and got them for cheap

@@ivar-the-terrible prices I have seen are 50 cents per watt new and used 30 cents per watt. If they would offer them for 10 cents per watt then more people would buy used. Really many of these solar farms are stupid from replacing the panel so early. They really should just buy more land to put new panels on them. The fact that they are paid for and the rest is just pure profit besides cleaning the panels every so often.

Santan Solar sells used panels but still a bit too expensive compared to new.

Tell me what do you do with a 10 year old electric car's Lithium batteries. Recycling them isn't easy. Do it wrong, you get a fire.

@@hillyseattlenarrowstreets6087 Plenty of companies already have good methods and are preparing for large scale recycling.

@@hillyseattlenarrowstreets6087 You don't get a fire unless you actually puncture a cell, and you have to be doing something really stupid for that to happen. Recycling them isn't hard, but it is labor intensive.

Imagine asking China to be held responsible for anything. They produce more pollution both air and sea than the US and Europe do but you are the problem, they're not

"90" I caught that too. At best he means 90% efficiency of the new ones on the market.

i think 90% efficiency is a estimation of what they are capable of, compared to new panels. Solar is definitely not 90%

​@@gothboschincarnate3931 ​ @Edward Cheung Maybe he means 10% degradation. For P-type panels from 4 years ago that seems acceptable.

They are not windmills thay are wind turbines. No it is the components that get changed our fir newer technology. Blame your power company. When high winds are happening the power company turns down the amount winged turbines produce because thay can't charge you more for power.

@@jmswillow5969 so they regulate the speed of the turbines so as not to produce “excess” because they can’t charge for it?

it was always the lying republicans who were the problem.

Natural gas is what killed coal, because it is cheaper and cleaner. It's called economics, not a government conspiracy.

Toyota can restore your toyota hybrid battery or change it and recycle the old one.

you have zero knowledge on battery recycling.

Batteries won't go to landfills. They are too valuable to be disposed of. And iron sodium batteries are here and they are cheap compared to lithium

@@Simon-dm8zv educate me

@@xperyskop2475 I wish all that was true. Cobalt is the only component thats widely recycled. EV batteries have been buried for years lacking much recycling market As for sodium batteries, the industry is young. We've a long way to go

@@rrseitz1306 Please name a source for EV battery burrying.

Coal is a huge pollutant but spent fuel rods for nuclear power plants takes up less space than a football field. For all the spent fuel from American nuclear power plants, it is less than 10 yds on the football field.

Nuclear still the cleanest energy mankind ever developed. I know, the green team can't accept the truth.

@@SpaseGoast LIES, Coal doesnt pollute like you think in America, they have filters in the plants, also CO2 is good for plants

I think that's what they're doing! It might not be so clear as you think.

And in those 15-25 years they’ve prevented millions of tons of CO2 from entering the atmosphere. How do you not get this?

The emissions saved by the wind turbine are much more.

Burning fiberglass and resin. That can't be good.

@@Simon-dm8zv thats not true .The power that the intermitting generators (wind and solar) produce is not reduced in the conventional plants. The grid is complex.

according to the WSJ using the shredded blades instead of coal to run the cement plant is 27 percent cleaner

More truth about the LIE of green energy. Not to mention we do not have a "climate crisis", which is again another LIE. Second only to the unscientific theory of evolution, man-made global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated against humanity by earth-worshipping zealots who are stealing $trillions of your tax dollars to fund their false religion and lies.