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Windlass FAILURE by myself [Sailing Uma - Step 146] 

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This week, Kika flies to Haiti to film the Haiti Sailing Cup, leaving me all along to keep getting Uma ready for a winter in the Bahamas. High on the priority list is getting our windlass back up and running.
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@allornothing7957
@allornothing7957 3 года назад
I'm an engineer by trade, rebuilding a steel boat on the water while living on it... and when you said the dremel isn't the right tool I had just been thinking how clever it was and that I need a dremel on the boat! 😂 loving the channel and the work!
@jcbaily5559
@jcbaily5559 4 года назад
Your knowledge and skills are priceless and having the right tools doesn't hurt either....thanks for your hard work.
@frankd2301
@frankd2301 5 лет назад
Can’t believe you’re not worried about stuff falling overboard
@alang5032
@alang5032 3 года назад
I keep wondering where all the videos of 'things taking a dive into the deep' are.
@devinpierce7233
@devinpierce7233 3 года назад
Its a persuader not a motivator! 🔨 Been bingeing your guys vids for a while now, started at the beginning and I cant wait to see you guys go north. I'm in eastern Canada and very excited for next season to get my own boat to start adventuring. Great content guys!
@AnnInghamlife-goals
@AnnInghamlife-goals 3 года назад
Dan editing is different but very good. A different perspective that I like.
@whiterabbit2786
@whiterabbit2786 4 года назад
I can watch these DIY videos all day long.
@derekgoodfriend3932
@derekgoodfriend3932 5 лет назад
Good job Dan! It seems like there's no problem you can't figure out, impressive!! Great editing too.
@erichcollar9810
@erichcollar9810 5 лет назад
Although I have Kika withdrawal symptoms, you did a great job on your own.
@ThompsonBMXbikes
@ThompsonBMXbikes 5 лет назад
I liked the do it yourself Dan episode today.
@zzzxxzzz4797
@zzzxxzzz4797 5 лет назад
You need a "soft start" so the initial power surge doesn't destroy your electrical components with everything you have on the boat ! The guys at "just catamarans" can clue you in on that ! Thanks for sharing 😎
@deanlewis1650
@deanlewis1650 5 лет назад
Very good suggestion... I have installed 14 of these for boiler pumps and they work great but they will come at a premium cost though. Good luck
@wallen92177
@wallen92177 3 года назад
A simple capacitor would absorb the initial voltage spike and make the contacter last longer
@joesphbest3120
@joesphbest3120 5 лет назад
You are one sharp cookie, Your really smart guy. I love watching you do everything yourself.
@ETERNITYISHERE
@ETERNITYISHERE 5 лет назад
we miss you kika.
@CedarMcKay
@CedarMcKay 5 лет назад
I bet that bad contactor is what burned out your motor in the first place. If your anchor was up, and it came on spontaneously like it did to you in the middle of the night, and it was just pulling futilely against the bow roller, I can imagine it burning up that motor.
@briantracy1324
@briantracy1324 5 лет назад
I agree... the area where the brushes contact was burned up in specific spots as if the motor was unable to turn and it just juiced the hell out of it with your new batteries.
@lawrencedavidson6195
@lawrencedavidson6195 4 года назад
Same thing i was thinking.
@hogroamer260
@hogroamer260 5 лет назад
I=P/V so, higher voltage = fewer amps for the same amount of power. By using 48v rather than 120v, you will have 2-1/2 times more current flowing through the wires to the windlass. Your old wiring may now be under sized. Your battery sees the same volt-amp draw regardless of the configuration.
@2wheelsr2wheels39
@2wheelsr2wheels39 5 лет назад
Yes. @0:58 he speaks about "being able to use really small wires to the bow". So this will probably happen again.
@pirateracer69
@pirateracer69 5 лет назад
Watching you ''McGuiver...ing'' YOUR WAY though all these projects is a pure delight. LOL Keep going.
@dano.819
@dano.819 5 лет назад
Editing was great Dan, a different soundtrack even with no big-boat horn at the start of the video. :)
@SailingUma
@SailingUma 5 лет назад
Haha. Yeah I didn’t have any of our normal graphics. They’re all on Kika’s laptop.
@christurner2340
@christurner2340 3 года назад
Is that the Chiquita Banana song played on Gazzo at 4:28 cf?? Haha, if so, that’s so silly and great! Thanks Dan for the step on 48v windlass creativity. Always learning :-)
@geisler007ful
@geisler007ful 5 лет назад
I hope KIKA stay safe in haiti i know a lot going on there just got back from there 3 days ago
@talus99
@talus99 5 лет назад
Love it Dan! No apologies necessary. Great content, good narration and I learned something (dremel cut that keyway just fine) - what more can you ask for.
@todayonthebench
@todayonthebench 4 года назад
When contactors burn up, then one is generally not having a good day. One solution to the issue is to add a resistor in line with it. It will put in some additional resistance, making the initial surge current smaller, thereby making the contacts survive longer. This is though obviously not the "best" fix. But its very cost effective. Also a reversing contactor can be built with a pair of relays. One dubble pole dubble throw one for changing direction, and one for switching on the actual power. (Now most relays are DPDT so it can be rather easy to just keep a bunch of them on hand at all times.) One can also just have a current limiting system to cap the inrush current.
@bdjm8595
@bdjm8595 4 года назад
Great episode as always!! As soon as you took it apart I knew that the motor didn't just fail on it's own, good job getting to the bottom of the problem, that motor should last very well now!!!
@clarisd
@clarisd 5 лет назад
Heya,, Dan after the laser eye surgery, could you perhaps talk about how you have adapted? Great vid, Thanks!
@garykagel7196
@garykagel7196 5 лет назад
The below ideas for forklift contractors are good. Also if the one you used is cheaper you could wire 2 for both directions.
@hexhex7220
@hexhex7220 3 года назад
Inspired by your fearless attitude with projects :)
@JohnDoe-fz5cz
@JohnDoe-fz5cz 4 года назад
i had to haul anchor by hand one summer. it was a 32' steel, commercial long lining boat. and it was in alaska. that water was cold. anyway, i know what a tough job that is. i don't blame dan for getting on that asap.
@LifeBetweenTheDash
@LifeBetweenTheDash 4 года назад
Super video. Love the music choices.
@sdfglkjhdfkjdhldskfj
@sdfglkjhdfkjdhldskfj 4 года назад
Maybe you need a more substantial windlass, or a smaller anchor? You might also want to install a current-limiter to stop this new motor and the contactor overloading. The voltage isn't killing the contactor, the current is.
@JaywalkingTheWorld
@JaywalkingTheWorld 5 лет назад
Yup. Little jobs can turn into big jobs. I once decided to build a misting system for my Burning Man camp. Took at least 1o trips to Home Depot and had to order an electric motor/pump from India. Finally got it working perfectly. But that year was not a warm year. Used it for about ten minutes. Such is life. Great video Dan.
@brianjoyce9040
@brianjoyce9040 5 лет назад
Always interesting and familiar. Work being done on the fly with a smile.
@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524
@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 4 года назад
Contactors are designed for current and voltage. Higher voltage contactors have magnetic chutes to extinguish the arc and separate it from the contact surfaces. You can’t use 12V at 48 and especially not with a superlow impedance battery pack behind it. That Gigavac will do the job just fine as it’s designed with chutes. They’re great but not cheap....
@terrybaker8349
@terrybaker8349 5 лет назад
Always say a day where something is learnt is a good day. Using a Dremel as a keyway routing machine was one and using 48 v motor vs 12 was another. I recently changed all of our off the shelf solenoids for a proprietary pack. Nice and tidy, but the former, when sailing in Asia, could be bought for a few dollars at any auto repair shop. Well done young man.
@AldFinGrp
@AldFinGrp 5 лет назад
Slot the bottom of your bolts with the dremel so you can hold them with a screwdriver when wrenching the nuts.
@raulrosado6300
@raulrosado6300 5 лет назад
Dude, no worries... Good editing and video was fine. We all learn from our failures. By the way, I think the contactor was what broke/burn the motor the first time. If you had it locked in place all the way in and that contactor decided to keep pulling in, pretty much you will have a burn brush. I think everything is cool, as long as you don't burn the boat down... Right? :)
@ETERNITYISHERE
@ETERNITYISHERE 5 лет назад
dan i admire your workmanship on everything you work on! everytime im working on my car or something at the house i think how calm you are working on things in the ocean and think why am i getting frustrated or angry because somethings not going the way i need it to.
@jfbaze2001
@jfbaze2001 4 года назад
I couldn’t sleep last night, so I binged and caught up to this episode. I grew up sailing a Grampian 36 in the Chesapeake. I love your ingenuity and engineering skills. I can’t wait to get caught up. Never had a Cape Horn autopilot, I loved watching that. Go Solar, Go Electric!
@JCAJCA3
@JCAJCA3 5 лет назад
Very rarely leave a comment but I thought your video editing and content was very good! GOD bless you guys. JC
@7376282
@7376282 5 лет назад
Love your aesthetic sensibilities! You really do pretty work.
@steffenseubert1729
@steffenseubert1729 3 года назад
Hey Kika and Dan, I recently found your videos on RU-vid and since a couple of months I’m working myself through all your nice videos into the present. I’m technically interested and have a great respect for all the technical solutions and working skills you put on display in your videos, I really enjoy watching your troubleshooting. I guess you already found a solution to your winch motor and reverse contactor issue. A possible solution could be to keep your reverse contactor to define rotation direction and wire your 48 V contactor between batteries and the supply terminals to the reverse contactor. If you can than manage to switch the power with a 48 V contactor, the reverse contactor is already closed/still closed and won’t arc. Don’t stop and continue with your great videos.
@jarodstrain8905
@jarodstrain8905 4 года назад
I'm still playing catch-up on your videos oh, so here I am bumping one that's year old. But have you considered modifying your windlass so that you have a remote disengagement for your clutch? Depending on the design of your windlass, it can be accomplished with an electric solenoid, and will allow it to gravity drop instead of running the motor every time. Saves wear and tear.
@SailingUma
@SailingUma 4 года назад
Ours does, and we do. We just loosen the clutch mechanically and the chain drops with gravity. Much faster than using the motor anyway.
@wmmilton
@wmmilton 5 лет назад
Install a current xfmr on the hot wire on the windless motor to trip off when the amps go to LRA. Saves the motor.
@billdomb
@billdomb 4 года назад
Next time you're looking for parts in that neck of the woods, think about Boat Owners Warehouse rather than Westmarine. Better pricing and MUCH easier to get to by dinghy.
@carbonellguest7344
@carbonellguest7344 5 лет назад
Golf cart 48v Fw/Rew switch will do the trick for you. No big deal. Pretty cheap. Chears
@calebknutson9019
@calebknutson9019 5 лет назад
Dan, great video! Great editing! I couldn't even tell Kika was gone!
@benniegant2598
@benniegant2598 4 года назад
Buy A 12V RESISTER, AND A FUSE TOO! SOLDER THEM TOGETHER AND PUT GLUE STICK AROUND IT OR USE INSULATION TAPE!!!! GOOD LUCK. The resister will make certain the motor only gets 12v not the Full 24volts + if you want to add a fuse the fuse will pop or blow before your motor does Sort of like a Guitar Amplifier does.
@c00lhand2469
@c00lhand2469 5 лет назад
Dremel is a great tool. I keep one on my boat too.
@janecme
@janecme 4 года назад
You make it all seem so easy. Top skills capt
@stimpsonjcat67
@stimpsonjcat67 5 лет назад
Oh Lord no toe rail and stacking those bolts had me cringing! For sure adding snubbers on all inductive loads is a good idea. One thing that can happen to a contactor is if the load doesn't draw ENOUGH current the contacts don't get cleaned properly and will eventually stick. Usually happens to relays running very light loads. Ah, so you had a 12V contactor, yeah, get a proper one and all will be well. You could use two of the 48V units like you have and get both directions.
@billhartsfield424
@billhartsfield424 4 года назад
Just watched Zatara replace a windlass , $10,000. You did good !
@paul42592
@paul42592 5 лет назад
Cheers Dan. Just like your project, mine always seem to end up expanding to three times the original time estimate due to unexpected complications. Seem to spend more time going back and forth to the hardware store than actually doing the work :-) Also, I like your editing style, easy to see the difference to Kika's. Both are great, just different. Different is good!
@frankstocker5475
@frankstocker5475 5 лет назад
Anything on the deck just loves to go for a swim especially when a wave comes along, might be worth having a plastic box to put things in while working, or buy a scuba kit. Nice work Dan.
@MonkPetite
@MonkPetite 5 лет назад
Interesting , wells done Dan ....Just some tips. Short brushes due to wearing.. short brushes means high temperature of that brush and so it will wear quicker and quicker. Check or Replace them on regular intervals. The cable form the main batt must be thick . The longer the cable the thicker they must be a DC current. There are calculating tabes on the internet. If the cables are too thin the voltage goes lower end so the amps go up at the user end. What means more heat.. Make sure you have some good size cables to the bow .
@cookiemonster-mr4vq
@cookiemonster-mr4vq 3 года назад
I think you guys do a great job of all the work you do in the boat. I think I like having a winless with a big long crank arm for leverage and just doing it manually because electric things break all the time. But who knows if I was doing a lot of bringing an anchor up I might not like it but then again I was a shotputter and I like a little exercise on the arms. Yeah when I can I’ll probably try to go manual. But the things I would hear that you are not adding a hot water maker and a water maker. I think those things are extremely functional and I really wouldn’t want to live without Taking a hot shower. Although you guys have the fireplace which one you get in the cold weather is really killer but it’s kind a like old boat so they have the potbelly stove. I think I’d want more of a potbelly stove like a cook on if I was going that route and totally redo the galley I guess. But I like your alcohol stove and I think that’s what I’m going to go with it my next boat.
@exkinky
@exkinky 5 лет назад
Sorry not going to read all the comments to see if this has been said but if you use a separate contractor to turn off the power first before switching the reversing contractor it may last longer, you can also make your own reversing contractor out of individual parts if you had to. One other thing to consider is using a high rpm motor with planetary gears.
@jasonargonaut9112
@jasonargonaut9112 5 лет назад
Dropping the anchor with the clutch (+gravity) is not slightly inconvenient, it's THE BEST WAY to drop the anchor. I miss this on modern cruising yachts. With the handle + clutch you have very good control over the chain speed. With an electric motor you have only one (fixed) speed: much slower than with clutch + gravity. I like the clutch 100x better when it comes to dropping anchor under sails or med style mooring. At least on yachts 42'-50'
@tazmun
@tazmun 5 лет назад
Actually I think dremels are an awesome little tool! There's a hidden Advantage included as well in what you're doing with it in the aspect that because it's slower than a big grinder would be it's also going to be creating less Heat which could be an advantage down the road in lessoning damage to the shaft steel temper.
@JohnRomero_motomoto
@JohnRomero_motomoto 4 года назад
Dan - I actually noticed the editing difference with the slow-motion B-Roll, etc. - Different that Kika's style and both are good. It was neat to actually notice that.
@gbachnik
@gbachnik 5 лет назад
Dan, I am just in awe of your ability do do all this varied work on the boat. There really must be a McGuiver gene in you. I also really enjoy the comments from the experts, they too really are into what you guys have done and so helpful. Really wonderful video and editing. I thoroughly enjoy your channel, this is Greg from Kunming, China.
@lisahanlin5317
@lisahanlin5317 5 лет назад
Great job Dan👍
@tbertw
@tbertw 5 лет назад
GREAT Video!!! Learned a bunch. Electrons with amperage are a force to contend with. Good diagnosis!
@tomriley5790
@tomriley5790 4 года назад
Great video Dan! Really glad that you didn't loose anyting into the water :-)!
@A2discgolfdude
@A2discgolfdude 4 года назад
Next time you should try to find a motor that is potted in epoxy. You're far less likely to have any issues with the windings coming undone. Also it might be advantageous to clean the commutator bar every once in awhile lol
@MaxMakerChannel
@MaxMakerChannel 5 лет назад
Most important part when mounting motors is to have a flexible coupling. It is impossible to mount two shafts perfectly alligned. And so they will bind or rattle themselves or the motor loose. You can buy cheap flexible couplers for 10$. Or use a piece of garden hose and hose clamps.
@SailingUma
@SailingUma 5 лет назад
The windlass has one built in to the base already.
@graemeoliver744
@graemeoliver744 5 лет назад
loved the dremel magic. those things are awesome.
@NonSleeper_Occasional_Thinker
@NonSleeper_Occasional_Thinker 5 лет назад
Looking good. And my h better after the shave too. We love you guys. Cheers
@organblower
@organblower 5 лет назад
Ugh I had to stop reading when "contactor" became contractor more often than not lol The only unsolicited practical advice I've got for you is to anchor in shallower water, gravity is your friend, and get a grip. Kika will be back soon. In my mind I sail a Nordhavn trawler with a choice of 12 volt, 24 volt or hydraulic windlass, but you still win because Uma is real, not imaginary. Maple leaves to you Dan and fair winds.
@caddyzig
@caddyzig 5 лет назад
Nice job with the solo video, Dan! That must have been creepy when the new motor started running by itself at night.
@HeidiandFranny
@HeidiandFranny 5 лет назад
Nice Dan, great work! Bummer about the switch frying, but I bet that is the source of your motor issues too. That old armature was toast! That is what they look like when they are on, but unable to move. Had that happen with the window regulator when the switch locked on. Great job on the editing! F
@gregrymelnechuk4791
@gregrymelnechuk4791 5 лет назад
Hi. Love your show. If you put wings on your outboard motor and an extension, 1 1/2 pipe and clamp to the throttle, you can stand up, while holding the bow rope and put your dingy up on plane. :)
@humnpwr
@humnpwr 4 года назад
Hey, you two can improvise very well. You would be great candidates for the first mission to Mars!!!
@rogerkirkpatrick9057
@rogerkirkpatrick9057 4 года назад
I’m betting the pvc housing you put on is restricting the air flow around the motor overheating it. Nice idea though. Maybe put a plastic t fitting and drill some 1/2 holes around the top of the fitting so the hot air has a way to escape.
@SailingUma
@SailingUma 4 года назад
The motor isn't on long enough to create any heat. It only take about 1 minute of run time to bring in our chain and that is split up over multiple short bursts.
@allynonderdonk7577
@allynonderdonk7577 5 лет назад
If you drop it by hand and only bring it up, you might have the motor last longer. You will only be using it half as much. Also instead of letting it start and stop just let it come in, but it might be a dirty mess if you do. Perhaps add a saltwater and freshwater wash down pump for the anchor chain as it comes up. Also you can cut the weld between the contactor pads, and then polish them up with sandpaper. They will last a little while longer.
@RiggingDoctor
@RiggingDoctor 5 лет назад
I remember those fountains! Little kids would be playing in it when we would walk to Publix Good luck with the electric windlass! We have a manual windlass and it drops with gravity, comes up with muscle on the lever.
@erps60
@erps60 5 лет назад
We added the second electrical circuit for the motor assist down function by installing an inexpensive battery switch (1-2-both) near the anchor locker. That way I was able to use just one foot switch. 1=up, 2=down, both=destruction. We avoid "both".
@chrisparola3949
@chrisparola3949 5 лет назад
So I have one more modification for the motor should you go back in there. Many failures happen when a wind shorts open What happens is the wire loosens from where it’s staked down on the brush contacter What you can do to get some longevity out of it is to apply epoxy to the winding wire at the stake Keeps them from flying off and shorting things out.
@claywebb8199
@claywebb8199 5 лет назад
I've never seen the need to use the winch to lower the anchor, even single handing a 42 footer. As you've found out it just adds complexity (and who need MORE stuff to fix on a sailboat!?!) plus doubles the workload on the winch. But that's just me. Good vid though Dan.
@z_actual
@z_actual 5 лет назад
I think you need to do two things, get a higher voltage contactor, not sure where you would source that but Id start looking around the EV market with manufacturers like Curtis. Then Id be looking at soft starters to reduce the load and torque in the power train and electric current surge of the motor during start-up. Both are inevitable. have a good one ..
@rickgibbon
@rickgibbon 5 лет назад
Man, you gotta love those Canadian Tire wrenches!... Nice work
@wildrosedude7521
@wildrosedude7521 5 лет назад
Dan you could check on a contractor from a 48 volt forklift there has be tons of warehouses down there that use electric forklifts .
@cgeorge6250
@cgeorge6250 5 лет назад
Sage Durand n
@cgeorge6250
@cgeorge6250 5 лет назад
Impressed how you make items work for your needs.
@bobahlberg6360
@bobahlberg6360 5 лет назад
Its Good To Have A Little Alone Time.
@guilhermefurgler8866
@guilhermefurgler8866 5 лет назад
Dan, Great video. One comment. As we say here in Brazil, "you are giving soup to bad luck". You had all the tools, nuts and bolts, parts of the eletric engine espreads in the prow of the sailboat and it does not have any protection for rolling in the water......you were lucky..... Hope to see you soon in the Caribean.
@redhughdl
@redhughdl 4 года назад
your copper contacts on the new motor with the new lithium batteries have arched ie welded, i think you need a resistor to limit the current getting to it
@PawelKedzior
@PawelKedzior 5 лет назад
Be careful with the remote control so that it does not unconciously activate when one of you will have fingers on the chain. Great episode.
@desertfresh3740
@desertfresh3740 5 лет назад
An all Dan-the-man episode. I'm so impressed by your wealth of knowledge. You know how to do it all and it makes me want to do it, too. Thanks so much for all the great content, love you two!
@lyfandeth
@lyfandeth 5 лет назад
Unclear if your contactor is legitimately rated 48 volts. If not, it will fail. Switches that work at 48vdc are way more expensive than 12vdc, which is why electric cars are still using 12vdc systems for everything except the drive motor. You can't cheat on this stuff unless you plan for it to fail. Physics knows no mercy.
@2AKNOT
@2AKNOT 5 лет назад
Good job Dan. Never give up.
@dprider02
@dprider02 5 лет назад
Nice work! For whatever it's worth, for me dropping and setting an anchor is best done using the windlass' clutch. I don't think you are going to miss having reverse at all.
@RogerThat1
@RogerThat1 5 лет назад
Wow, that turned into a little different project, for sure. Good workaround though. Pulling up by hand is the biggest hastle, and I totally agree with your choice! Thanks for sharing, again! :-)
@watchful1168
@watchful1168 4 года назад
You are amazing
@johnnybgood2674
@johnnybgood2674 5 лет назад
I think you can use two single motor contactors instead of a dual-reversable. With 4 wires, use the +and- for up on one, and the +and - for down on the other. I would also check the amperage rating on the motor, and ensure your contactors can easily carry the load.
@pinebearclub
@pinebearclub 5 лет назад
Good job all around Dan! Bryan from Vancouver
@normanboyes4983
@normanboyes4983 5 лет назад
Nice job - it does very much like you need a contactor off a forklift to better handle the voltage and starting current.
@petertomas3665
@petertomas3665 5 лет назад
Maybe radio frequencies interfere with remote control. Especially in a marina there are ton of diferent of them. Radio electronics need to have good locking frequency protection. If remote control of the anchor is a cheap one probably wont have that protection.
@PrivateUsername
@PrivateUsername 5 лет назад
Looks like the negative side brush wore and started eating the contacts (9:23 into the vid). Consider brush replacement every 4 months or so, along with some cleaning and re-greasing. Also, to fix your contactor issue, use the cheap automotive 12V unit you bought to drive a pair of 48V 20A relays. That way you have a inexpensive way to drive the unit, and you can stock backups easily. And 12V "off road" style stuff is much easier to find. It looks like 48V 20A relays are three bucks on Amazon.
@Oceans_Sail
@Oceans_Sail 4 года назад
You guys are the absolute masters of video and editing. And Dan did the film on the iPhone? Amazing! Truly talented. When you start running courses on video and editing then I’m in!!
@rossp1762
@rossp1762 5 лет назад
Great video their mate top-notch job, easiest DIY job I've seen in along time. Best of luck for the future
@johnbaumgartner2137
@johnbaumgartner2137 5 лет назад
S/V Bright Eyes... I spent a lot of time on Lake worth. Good job on the windless. Now on the reo Dulce Guatemela
@shopstuff5
@shopstuff5 5 лет назад
You two guys are rapidly becoming my favorite channel to watch. Is there anything you can't fix Dan?
@ThompsonBMXbikes
@ThompsonBMXbikes 5 лет назад
Dan's gonna be an old man someday dialing in his own pacemaker.
@wilfrennecke9501
@wilfrennecke9501 5 лет назад
Hey Dan, greetings from Powell River, BC .!!! You just simply amaze me with your ingenuity, AWESOME !!! I am more than twice your age and I'm still learning from you. I'm sure you will find a 48 V contactor somewhere, I hope.You two create some fantastic videos, we love it. Just keep it up and stay safe.Cheers, Wilf ...
@jackpatteeuw9244
@jackpatteeuw9244 5 лет назад
Precision cut keyway ! 4 cutoff discs !! When debugging electric circuits, frequently it is better to use a test light than a multimeter. The meter show you have "potential" (voltage), but not if you have power (current). Make sure it is an INCANDESCENT test light. You will have to shop around for one that is rate up to 48V. Regarding that motor. Put it on your long term maintenance list. Disassembly, cleaning, a bit of lube and another shot of anti-corrosion spray will make it last a lot longer.
@sethwilliamson
@sethwilliamson 5 лет назад
Highly recommend just sticking with a modular approach on the electrics there. You can buy a second solenoid rated for high enough current and wire that with to the reverse circuit using a "break then make" double-pole-double-throw (DPDT) switch, all of which is readily available from a wide variety of suppliers for a ton of industries, rather than an all-in-one box from a marine chandlery. When you're in the far-off parts of the world, it will be much easier to service and source parts. BTW it was the current, not the voltage. As you know, a tiny conductor can safely run a quarter million volts through it, but the current is what turns it into an arc welded mess. Well, the watts matter in the end, but wattage being equal, a 12v 40A device would need to be much more robust than a 48v 10A one, even though both are ~500W. If I understood what you said towards the end correctly, you went from a 48 volt amp to a 48 volt amp motor that was more powerful. It drew more current through the solenoid.
@SailingUma
@SailingUma 5 лет назад
The solenoid is rarer for 12v and 250A. The motor only draws 23A at 48v. So it should be well under the rating of the contractor. Still, only using the windlass for hauling the anchor in, and dropping it with the clutch is even simpler.
@sethwilliamson
@sethwilliamson 5 лет назад
@@SailingUma -- Ah, I think we had some miscommunication. It was never my intention for it to sound like I was suggesting you source a 12v part. What I was trying to convey is... (1) I didn't mean the solenoid that you ended up with was no good. You made an excellent choice. I meant you could add a second one if you want reverse. A pair of them would give you power-out and power-in. I agree that it is simpler to use the clutch, but you sounded like you were lamenting the loss of power-out in the video, hence my suggestion on how to add that function it back. (2) It is highly unlikely that the voltage is what burned you. I'm not posting this part to be pedantic (although I'm well aware I'm coming across like that "Well, technically..." guy, and that feels gross.) There just seemed to be some interest in doing some failure analysis and I think the voltage is a red herring. Here's why I think that... For such a simple device as a relay/solenoid/contactor, it is highly unlikely to be the problem. I mean, inside it is basically a conductor. As you know from wiring your boat and choosing wire sizes, for a given power level, a device designed for 12v necessarily must be able to handle 4x the current as a device designed for 48v. As you say, a 12v 250A solenoid is a rare beast for good reason. It is much simpler and cheaper to build a device that can transmit the same power at 62.5 amps and 48v (or 31.25 amps at 96v and so on.) The idea that a 48v = more power isn't in itself true. Voltage isn't power. True, we often choose a higher voltage so that we can transmit more power for less expense, less voltage drop, etc, but without looking at the amperage we can't know anything about the power level. For example, rub your feet on a carpet and touch a doorknob and you'll have 250,000 volts coursing through you. Voltage alone is only half the picture. (Yes, I'm one of those annoying nerds that see the battery powered tools in their marketing game of writing their voltage in bold letters all over their product and think "that doesn't tell me anything useful, is it higher wattage?" I mean, you could easily design a product that was 18v but less powerful than a 12v device, or had no difference in power for that matter.) The old motor was 48v and didn't burn out the solenoid. You said in the video that the new motor was more powerful. That just leaves amps. That isn't to say the suggestions to look at forklift/golf cart solenoids isn't a good suggestion, just that the voltage isn't likely the smoking gun you're after. My guess is that the new motor was pulling more current through the solenoid. (3) I was commending your MacGyver solution that you ended up with, not poo-pooing it. Servicing it and sourcing parts will be much simpler in the end. Like others have suggested, you'll be able to find simple single-throw solenoid/contactor of adequate power rating anywhere they have forklifts, golf carts, etc. I'm sure you'll be able to find a wireless switch that you can wire up to your solenoids' contacts too if you want the wireless feature back, but by keeping it modular, if it fails, your whole system won't fail. Anyway, good work Dan, both on the boat and with the video. You put out a good video this week. Didn't even notice or care that it was iPhone footage. Guess that's a tick in the column for "quality content trumps production values."
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