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@ShR33k 3 года назад

As a programmer, that is DAMN IMPRESSIVE !!! Multi-tasking Pac Man and calculator running at the same time. Mind blown indeed! Someone has gone to a lot of hard work.

@McFluchtfahrer 3 года назад

As a fellow programmer, I fully agree to this statement!

@ShR33k 3 года назад

@@McFluchtfahrer What makes it more impressive is that it was running on a PCW8256 so having just 256k of memory!

@TechRyze 3 года назад

You wanna see it playing video and music along with whatever else you throw at it. Those systems support large RAM upgrades, and SymbOS can access a couple of Megabytes 🐏 On the other end of the scale, it runs on the Amstrad CPC464 with as little as 128KB RAM.

@Nibb31 3 года назад

@@ShR33k It runs on a CPC with 64K of RAM.

@ShR33k 3 года назад

@@Nibb31 Now that is impressive!

@ironhead2008 3 года назад

Damn, that's some efficient code. A testament to how efficient assembly code can be.

@pqrstzxerty1296 3 года назад

Its running under CP/M so most of the firmware coding calls has been done. I notice its doing sweep left to right redraws, so I suspect its doing char$ RST16 ( calls to CP/M Print#1"" ) type drawing the screen rather than by pixel. Ie its like a VT100 VDU screen emulator and a virtual server sending commands.

@ironhead2008 3 года назад

@@pqrstzxerty1296 So it's basically using the printing subroutines to draw images in linear blocks instead of pixels? Or is it basically using textmode to emulate graphics? I can see how either would be more efficient than going pixel by pixel and how they might be less taxing on the frame buffer.

@mibnsharpals 3 года назад

see geos on PC and Comodore 64/128

@lhpl 2 года назад

@@ironhead2008 I bought a CPC6128 in 1985. At one point I read the August 1981 issue of Byte magazine, which was the SmallTalk special issue, with articles about just about all aspects of SmallTalk-80 and the Xerox Star computer, including the language, the user interface, and the graphics algorithms, especially bit mapped graphics, BitBlt, and bit mapped fonts and text display. I wrote a BitBlt CopyBits algorithm in COMPAS Pascal based in part , designed a bit mapped font, and with the help of _Principles of Interactive Computer Graphics_ (Newman and Sproull, probably the 2nd ed., 1979) I also implemented some drawing procedures (lines, circles) using Bresenham's and DDA algorithms. I also implemented a popup menu that would save away the area on the screen and draw the menu, with the selected item inverted, using my BitBlt and font. Looked very similar to the pictures in the Byte articles, and was quite fast too. I remember having a few problems due to the way the screen memory of the Amstrad's Motorola MC6845 display controller was organised, with the horizontal lines interleaved. I even made a simple drawing program, so I could draw bitmap images by hand (using cursor keys), and save them to the floppy. All in compiled COMPAS Pascal (Turbo Pascal predecessor), I dont't recall using any inline machine code. It was quite fast and efficient anyway. Alas, I never managed to write a complete GUI system.

@krissjacobsen9434 3 года назад

When the disk emulator is more powerful than the computer itself :D

@lsorense 3 года назад

How did a vic20 compare to a 1541?

@HelloKittyFanMan. 3 года назад

Differently, @@lsorense, since the 41 isn't an emulator.

@lsorense 3 года назад

@@HelloKittyFanMan. And I just checked and the 1541 has less ram than the vic20 and the same cpu so even the vic20 was more powerful than the floppy. So yes the emulator sure wins by a lot.

@mibnsharpals 3 года назад

@@lsorense same power, the 1541 doubled the CPU-Power :-) if you useing the CBM 8050, you have two 6502 in it an have 3 times CPU-POWER :-)

@ergleburgle8882 3 года назад

HDDs were indeed a thing on the PCW. Several were released - I have a 40mb drive on mine and a 2mb RAM upgrade. That machine was so good I used it as a daily driver until 2001 - email, web, you name it. I used to code for it in the mid/late nineties and wrote a few articles for the magazines that were about - The Disk Drive and PCW Today. Fun times. :)

@nasonaso8356 2 года назад

How did you get email and web on there?? Please tell me

@Vizimech 3 года назад

I'm a simple man; I see Ladyfractic, I click the video.

@darkstatehk 3 года назад

Blind mowing bick daite! Now, please... let me watch the damn video in peace!!

@twoshedsjackson6478 3 года назад

I had one of these, when they came out, to replace the old typewriter in my office. It didn't last long.......burglars took it. So I bought a PCW8512 complete with a daisywheel printer. The PCW's were revolutionary at the time, so cheap and really brilliant. I did all my business correspondance on these things.

@Xaltar_ 3 года назад

Absolutely mind blowing. I would have killed for something like this when I was a kid, basically Windows 95 on an old Amstrad CPC system. What an amazing bit of programming!

@YourBuddyDinec 3 года назад

Aww man you got me. My jaw dropped when I heard the TTS thinking "OMG I can't believe technology so old sounds so great" then had a good chuckle when you admitted you just added it in post. LOL. 😁

@maze2000wi 3 года назад

The girl is Kara Monaco, Playboy's playmate of the year 2006. Another mystery solved.

@sdavies45 3 года назад

When I was 11, I went to a small private school where there was a teacher who knew everything about locoscript, there were two of these machines, an 8256 and an 8512, the 8256 had upgraded ram to 512k like the 8512, so I know it can be done. When I was 12, I passed RSA Word Processing stage I with distinction and was awarded a bronze medal, using locoscript on the 8512.

@NathanPatton Год назад

It's really cool to see people making WIMP GUIs for old pcs like this!

@jorgemtds 3 года назад

You can't afford Lady Fractic. That was COLD 😂.

@thecaptain2281 3 года назад

But funny! And a bit true...

@project_x_light_years 3 года назад

The way how you make videos is amazing. Each aspect of it is on PRO level

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Thank you so much!

@gordonbrown5641 3 года назад

That's amazing coding to get that working so well on that word processor. The reason I'm loving your page is the ingenuity shown and the memories that can come flooding back with a quick glance at something onscreen. The Amstad CPC just took me back to playing Harrier Attack for hours on it ❤

@WalterTGreenIII 3 года назад

This is great!! I feel the same about how awesome it is that there is a community advancing the development of the computers that I love! And I get exited every time I get to try it out!! Keep up the great work!!

@JustWasted3HoursHere 3 года назад

Programmers love a challenge. I remember seeing a stripped version of MAME running on someone's DSLR *camera* running the Pacman ROM, and playable with the camera's D-Pad!

@RobTheSquire 3 года назад

Very clever of the guys who made SymbOS I couldn't imagine a GUI on an Amstrad machine from back then.

@JorgeDo 3 года назад

At 3:17, that's a Talent MSX2, an Argentinian version of the korean Daewoo! So much memories, my first contact with a computer was in a Talent MSX.

@davidwallin7518 3 года назад

I used a PCW8256 when, whilst still at school, I wrote magazine articles on telecommunications in the mid 1980s - mainly for Popular Computing Weekly.

@MikeRox83 3 года назад

Is it bad that my biggest memory of the Amstrad Word Processor PC that my mum had for her work, was that my dad had Samantha Fox Strip Poker on it?

@paulthompson8613 3 года назад

Awesome DAD do you still have it

@MikeRox83 3 года назад

@@paulthompson8613 sadly not it made way for a Windows 95 desktop. :(

@pdsnpsnldlqnop3330 3 года назад

Sam Fox is only 54 and she still exists. Amazing how much money was made from her natural assets. At the time the pictures of her in the Sun were black and white and they sold the paper. So green and black on the Amstrad with the thrill of gambling was pretty fun. Tantalising even.

@paulthompson8613 3 года назад

@@pdsnpsnldlqnop3330 Ha,Ha, living the dream (moist) this sounds like the time of only 3 channels on tv and petrol 50p a gallon as my dad used to say.

@thedeewolf 2 года назад

All the US viewers 🤔???

@dwaynezilla 3 года назад

I'm always pleased with the quality of your videos! From the content to the info, to the asides. They're so good. Reminds me of the attention to detail in your music, which makes sense! Keep up the great work.

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot 👍🕹️

@arthurdanielles4784 3 года назад

Good to see you guys are staying safe ! Ah memory lane with the old PCW that I used with supercalc for my early day accounting.. Damm that was a work of art.. Great vid as always thumbs up guys and continue staying safe !! 👀👍

@greatquux 2 года назад

The keyboard on that thing sounds awesome!

@SteliosStylianou 3 года назад

Remember this computer it was quite a model for the Amstrad in its time also loved the light pen facility good fun back then.

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Yep! Check out my video about how light pens work for more PCW!

@stuartleckie 3 года назад

“That’s actually quite a complex file viewer this”. The rest of the viewers, wow. Pretty lady.

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

🤣

@hagen-p 3 года назад

Happy to see Jörn "Prodatron" Mika getting the coverage he truly deserves. Great guy! He designed a RISC-processor to drive a menu system on the CPC-T-REX (CPC hardware emulation in a Cyclone-I FPGA), and he also wrote the nice menu system. Which keeps running in parallel to the hardware-emulated CPC464/664/6128 with all SymbOS bells and whistles. I learned a lot about FPGA and circuit development from this system.

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Couldn't agree more!

@heathwellsNZ 3 года назад

Wow, that is an impressive piece of software. Well done Jorn!

@RafaelSahb 3 года назад

I am blown away by: A) how awesome this interface is. B) how awesomely well made and fun and informative this video is. C) how awesome this channel is. D) all the alternatives above. I am choosing option D and subscribing to this channel. REALLY GREAT CONTENT!

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot 👍🕹️

@keithbeesting 3 года назад

Wow amazing. Good memories of using the PCW at my school in the UK in the 80s didnt even know you could get games until I saw your old video being playing the library of games on the MiSTer.

@MacchiStrauss 3 года назад

Jesus christ man, don't ever do that spill joke again. I jumped from my chair when it fell and the sparks flew!

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Haha apologies!

@MacchiStrauss 3 года назад

@@RetroRecipes that's ok, but the sheer terror on you face sold me the disaster completely. It took me a while to recover. 😅 Great video, btw

@sausage5849 3 года назад

He should get an Oscar (no, not the one in a trash can :-) )

@MrThairacer 3 года назад

yeah ! hi RR, Amstrad PC7 486 SLC was my 1st PC at home, I used the PCW at school for learning multiple spreadsheet , my fist exercice in classroom was to make a complete Worksheet in 20 minutes with the ascii command (alt -144 for a line lol !) awesome video, always a pleasure to look !

@dwaynezilla 3 года назад

Mind blown is an understatement. This is some amazing work!

@ch.3.mist123 3 года назад

is getting closer to 100K subscribers . Great to see.

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Thank you!!

@jj_and_the_jaysjays6316 Год назад

Fantastic who would have thought this was possible.

@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli 3 года назад

I click the video for equal parts interest in old technology and for the soft smooth vocal ASMR.

@andydurbin8309 3 года назад

I love it That's a great video Awesome to see a GUI running on that old word processor. 😃

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Right?! Thanks!

@richardtwyning 3 года назад

Excellent video 👍🏻 I grew up with the Texas Instruments TI-99/4A and tried myself to write a GUI. You can tell a lot of work has gone into that! 🙂

@mytechnotalent 3 года назад

Love how creative you two are great work! CP/M I mean I feel like a kid again!

@CoreDreamStudios 3 года назад

Amazing idea someone made, never seen a full blown GUI on this kind of machine/CPU outside of C64/C128. Great find.

@Link-channel 3 года назад

This video was awesome! No need to wait for CollapseOS if this works so well!

@leejacksondev 3 года назад

You will love the PcW16 GUI. OS was called Rosanne. I still have it. John Elliott made a CP/M layer for it so you could run old Joyce programs. I learned Mallard Basic 🥰

@emmettturner9452 3 года назад

Born and raised in the USA and I've always understood "homely" to mean the same as you (wholesome/nice) but at the same time meaning that they aren't flashy, glamorous, or hip. To someone who strives to be fashionable, they might take it as an insult.

@chrisamadeus4647 3 года назад

Another wicked video Mr P.

@TheTurnipKing 3 года назад

PCW wasn't just a word processor. It was SOLD as one, but it's a straight up CPM monster.

@zuhr9871 3 года назад

Wow. This was amazing. !

@BOBXFILES2374a 3 года назад

The Amstrad was my first "computer." Haven't seen anything on it in years! Thanks! Go Green-screen, or don't go at all!

@electricdreams1616 3 года назад

I had a 464 myself, but to think it having a GUI would of been amazing back in the day. I've seen graphics demos done on a standard 464 and they are just amazing. Probably equal to what an Amiga could of done. Give somebody a little time to get used to the hardware and they can create something which is pretty mind-blowing. Great stuff.

@richretrotech9426 3 года назад

Just wow. I used one of these in college as a word processor. Just look at it all grown up!

@bobbus_74 3 года назад

I love that people are still developing for defunct technology. Imagine having this at your finger tips back in the day. Amazing stuff.

@markcooper6382 3 года назад

Great Vid once again. Sometimes you guys hit it out of the park...thank you

@TechRyze 3 года назад

Fun & lighthearted, with terrible jokes! Decent content, decent topics! Well done!

@JCTsFascinatingHobbies 3 года назад

My PCW8512, is currently sat under my desk. I last used it a few years back, when I replaced the Disk Drive belts. I think I'll be bringing it out at some point, for some modifications :).

@stevenbasher5363 3 года назад

As an American, I thought 'Homely' to have the same meaning as UK. I guess I listen to / read enough British media that that's the meaning I understood! My girlfriend didn't respond too well when I said she was homely 😅

@JamesChessman 3 года назад

I'm American and once in a while, I've always heard of "homely" as meaning ugly, referring to a woman. But it is one of those words that is so rarely used, that I can imagine some folks never hear anyone say it. It's certainly a strange meaning / usage. Probably refers to ugly women staying home, I guess? lol

@emmettturner9452 3 года назад

I came to say the exact same thing: Born and raised in the USA and I've always understood "homely" to mean the same as you (wholesome/nice) but at the same time meaning that they aren't flashy, glamorous, or hip. To someone who strives to be fashionable, they might take it as an insult.

@JamesChessman 3 года назад

@@emmettturner9452 Yes, but I mean, I think I only had one family member who would say the word, once in a great while. I can easily imagine that many people live their lives without ever hearing anyone say the word at all. It's almost an extinct word, in American English, as far as I know...

@j-fharbec379 3 года назад

Impressive! Thank you for showing us these bits of retro hardware with recent software. I love the green screen! P.S. Don't ever lose your humour!

@oscarcharliezulu 3 года назад

That is sooo mad! Love it!

@bitwize 3 года назад

This is arguably the most impressive bit of programming I'd seen since 8088MPH.

@cvvv6166 3 года назад

WoW , that's just amazing ! 👍🤯👍

@circuithijacker 3 года назад

Yea! You did the SymbOS episode!

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

I sure did!

@CubicleNate 3 года назад

I love seeing people keep these old machines relevant or usable long after their "time" as it were. I am impressed by the default keyboard mouse keys, quite clever, indeed. I can't help but wonder if there is a version of IRC for it and if you could use the terminal to telnet into a Linux machine, lets say, and open up a whole array of very capable terminal applications. You COULD make this a very pleasant, distraction-free machine for writing.

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Yes, you know, I often think about using older machines for writing. For now I just use the old Macintosh keyboard. And I renamed Apple Pages to MacWrite 😉

@8bitmaniac599 3 года назад

There is in fact an IRC and Email app for it. I don't think there is a network card for the PcW though, so only CPC/Enterprise & MSX can use it

@CPC-Fanzine 3 года назад

I've often thought about getting a PCW to write the articles for my Amstrad CPC fanzine... I'd need it to be really seamless to move the articles to a PC though. Can a PCW save to the cloud?

@Simon-ui6db 3 года назад

Used logo on the 8512 when a kid was great.

@damirko06 3 года назад

just watching....waiting since this morning, checking every ten minutes or so 😘

@ch.3.mist123 3 года назад

Good to see I was not the only one!

@damirko06 3 года назад

@@ch.3.mist123 a good community always keeps an eye open 😉

@slaquers 3 года назад

wow this is pretty amazing tbh

@dragonmac1234 3 года назад

Wow, I remember writing Spectrum game reviews on an Amstrad machine similar to that when I started working at Newsfield around 1986-87 (I can't remember the exact date now). The late 80's is a bit of a blur for me, partly as it's over 30 years ago but I suspect also partly because there were a lot of pubs in Ludlow at the time. I do remember having to save my work on a disk, and several times I forgot and a power cut wiped out everything I'd written in the last couple of hours.

@freddiejohnson6137 3 года назад

SymbOS is arguably the most impressive OS for any 8-bit micro computer since it so closely mimics something like Windows 95 it's multitasking is also impressive and the version for the MSX is even more mind blowing seeing it it full colour.

@McQueen25 3 года назад

Great video, thanks 👍

@TimmyJoe633 3 года назад

Wow, that really is impressive, would be so curious to try that on my Amstrad CPC. Never realised there was a GUI for it. Got a colour monitor on that, but liking the idea of getting the green screen after seeing the PCW.

@pmlam32 3 года назад

So cool. I missed the old day

@VincentGroenewold 3 года назад

Ok, that is very impressive, imagine having that back in the day

@eskey691 3 года назад

Yep am a Dip Chipper haha, great video guys and that green screen back in the day was the bee's knees would of been even more so with that GUI. An the poor puppys face when he was doing his business had me in stitches bless. Looking forward to your next video as always so until then you guys take care :-)

@HelloKittyFanMan. 3 года назад

Right, of course you're not gonna do today's work on that machine, but it is fun to see an old machine's limits pushed like that. Nice video, thanks! Now let's see you do that with the CP/M side of a Commodore 128!

@scosinus32 3 года назад

Very impressive !

@mrbrad4637 3 года назад

Very impressive

@FatNorthernBigot 3 года назад

Gotta have that Tardis sound... Also, that Amstrad tickles my nostalgia bone.

@jsonic1045 3 года назад

Pushing the limits of older hardware to do more modern things or more than originally intended has always been very fascinating to me.

@ringfotografde 3 года назад

5:45 My memories of "The Pawn" on the C64 was : very very long loading time for an amazing picture (y) I loved this adventure game !

@cpace123 3 года назад

You had me for just 1/2 second when it started to talk.

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Lol sorry

@3dmaster205 3 года назад

It should be possible though, RealSound was a thing, so if that got ported over to CPM, you should be able to do it; it worked with complex games not using assembly code in 640Kb ram, it might also be up in the higher 384Kb memory area, or in expanded memory, so 256Kb might not be enough, but I don't think so, I suspect it should be able to work. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealSound

@worldofretrogameplay6963 3 года назад

Yes! It’s about time we received a new episode! Thumbs up if you agree.

@respergu13 3 года назад

Impressive indeed!

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

It really is!

@MisterRorschach90 3 года назад

I knew it. I used to use my dads word processor from the 80s to type my papers for school and for fan fiction stuff. Recently I’ve been wondering if it’s possible to run Windows or games on it.

@alzeNL 3 года назад

goes to show how amazing the Z80 is as a CPU and how good the programmers are to get that performance out of it. Now just to get a TCP/IP stack into it :)

@TheTurnipKing 3 года назад

At this level you're actually better with something like a wifi232. As far as the vintage hardware is concerned it's just dealing with a vintage modem and all the messy tcp/ip stuff is dealt with by a faster microcontroller.

@deadscenedotcom 3 года назад

Love it!

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Me too!

@plan7a 3 года назад

:D - Time to order a non-spill "Sippy cup" for Christmas? (Just kidding!).

@bonty427 3 года назад

Idea for the merch shop...?

@P5ychoFox 3 года назад

Great stuff. Glad the Gotek is still working well.

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Yes it's great! It made this so easy.

@dodgydruid 3 года назад

My late mother used these as they were compatible with the Daily Mail and a couple other newspaper's emerging IT solutions and Locoscript was also very good for her screen and scriptwriting when she did her degree at Bournemouth uni (mentored by the Scott brothers no less) but sadly the dreaded C got her before she got to grips with anything major, did some Eastenders and other BBC jobbing stuff. She also had the Amstrad portable PCW for when travelling and wanting to work plus her Uher and Marantz recorders and a battered old Sony direct to Betamax camera that ate batteries just looking at 'em lol

@Simon-ui6db 3 года назад

This looks epic

@m4rgin4l 3 года назад

Wow. Simply...wow.

@frankowalker4662 2 года назад

I've got to try this on my PCW 8512. BTW, Subbed.

@johneygd 3 года назад

I would definitely wanna see a video of that light pen.,definitely!!!

@xwolpertinger 3 года назад

I ran it on my CPC6128 a while ago, definatelly a soother experience with the addition of sounds and colors. Especially when it comes to the music videos and the Winamp-clone, not to mention support for dual sided disks

@OzSteve9801 3 года назад

I had a PCW 8256 for years. There was an optional hard drive which clipped on the back, as well as a mouse. Both of these were way too expensive for me. The best thing about this machine was learning to programme in Mallard BASIC. I was able to come up with a few games and some business software. They translated very nicely into QBasic when I got a Microsoft PC (Windows 3.1).

@gavinthesniper4465 3 года назад

Another great video chip dippers

@garyhart6421 3 года назад

Very interesting.

@MarcWeertsMusic 3 года назад

Very cool! Fun video, too!

@RetroRecipes 3 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@CousinHubertRetrogaming 3 года назад

My mind is blown....🔥

@Trusteft 3 года назад

Cool!

@ricardojpinheiro Год назад

BTW, the SymbOS MSX version only supports MSX 2 and above. Great vídeo!

@SevenDeMagnus 3 года назад

The green CRT low resolution (high resolution for that time) has it's own charm. God bless, Rev. 21:4

@DatBlueHusky 3 года назад

that is crazy for a z80

@fkthewhat 3 года назад

Thats absolutely wild haha. Even GEOS absolutely blew my mind and I didn't even find out about it till the early 90s when Windows was pretty much the 'gold standard' - had I had a copy of GEOS when I had a C64 I would have been so happy with my c64. I guess the same applies for you with this machine!

@ambby1898 3 года назад

I have always loved 8 bit systems & anything with a Z80 in it. My dream build/mod would be a computer like yours with the motherboard of an original Gameboy, so you could then have the entire Gameboy library of games plus all the basic programs for productivity all running on a system like that natively & you would be able to insert Gameboy carts into it for full screen gaming, how amazing would that be? I know it is possible. I always wanted a Z80 computer for writing but then I also always wanted a Gameboy that could be a computer to. If only someone would merge the 2, I bet it would not be to hard. & you have to imagine that the motherboard from the Gameboy is the most advanced basic z80 ever made with lots of nice features :)