Excellent Chum Kill form; I liked that you didn't do it too fast like most videos I've encountered. This allows a student to grasp in every movement of the form. Thanks for posting this as I'm learning this form and it helped me understand the form much better.
There is nothing wrong with this form .... in fact.... if you want to get technical .... to all you wing chun experts criticizing this video... if you play this video at the same time with Sifu Ip Man ‘s video they are almost identical ...... everyone is a critic , everyone likes to talk shit .... until they get punched in the face ....we should all as Martial Artist honor this Sifu , for his superb instructional / presentation of Chum Kiu form....🙏🏻
To all those "wing chun experts" here saying this form is trash: There are x lineages of wing chun so it's possible there will be slight differences. Mark is a respected wing chun teacher from Ip Man - Chu Shong Tin lineage and I've personally trained with a couple of guys from CST. Trust me, he knows what he's doing. I'm learning Chum Kiu right now and this video is detailed and helpful. Saying that other lineage's forms ale trash or bullshit says more about you than about them.
I don't know who this guy is, I don't know who respects him, and I don't know if he knows what he's doing. Nor do I care. But if you are learning Cham Kiu right now, I have to point out that you should pay attention to your body weight a lot more than Mark Spence is doing because he is leaning backwards and it's a really bad habit that you should kick asap. Pay close attention in particular when he is rotating, that's when it's most obvious. Those sections showcase lan sao, and if there is one technique that will never work if you lean back, it's lan sao. This is because lan sao requires you send energy back into the ground. Most of the other technique might work leaning back, lan sao never. There's a lot I don't agree with but there wouldn't be any point discussing it with an intermediate student. However, the part about not leaning back is not a matter of opinion or lineage. It's actually one of the core ideas of Cham Kiu, which is forcing you to control your body weight for maximum efficiency.
He's just making his movements more abstract...which is not bad, since he is trying to teach it to multiple people at once. Other schools focus more on the hits, and they have another portion of the whole truth about the forms. In the end, each practitioner will perform the forms in his own specific way!
@@billmurray7676 Mark has an internal skill often called "floating root".If you have gained root skillthen you know it's based off of a line from heaven to earth that get's stronger when one learns to "sink" or "sink the chi". Later this line is condensed to a singlepoint granting root w/o the same need for ground connection. If you have developed real root skill then this is the next levelyou shouldseek otherwise keep up SLT and ground path practice until it is strong then you can refine this line to asingle"floating"point.
Thank you very much for help us to remember this great martial art. I like your video because you do it slowly. This way is much better seeing the small details.
Critiques everywhere. Thank you Sifu for keeping it to a slower pace for those wanting to see the moves. I have seen at least 10 different variation of Chum Kiu Sim, Lim Tao and Biu Jee . WIng chun is like any other art it will evolve a little with each sifu. Who is to say it is wrong , if you are not the original SIFU . SHE is the true and original artist we are all just students. even IP man may he rest respectfully was a student as was Bruce Lee.
People say it's wrong because the basis, the principle are not followed. Everyone applies it in a different way according to how the body is structured. But the foundation are still the same. For instance, look at how his body turns around a central line which is external to his body, the central line must be at the very centre of the torso. It cannot be external. You gotta be aware that people might take every movement in the video as an example to apply, but if the core of said movements are wrong, people will learn it wrong
@@StefanoDaGiau he's moving completely wrong, he is pivoting on the heels with both feet moving at the same time, which greatly compromises balance if you were using any of the shapes in the chum kui form to actually redirect any force, which is what the whole form is about. Instead he should be rotating his leading foot on the ball from bui ma stance to iris stance and then doing the same in reverse with the other foot. If he actually engaged any force with the current technique he's practicing, he would be easily pushed back and probably fall. To be fair it looks as if he's got into some bad training habits though, guaranteed if you get into a fight you wont have a nice laminated floor and slippers to pivot on. You clearly have never practiced wing chun or are very bad at it to be praising his technique, the footwork is the tip of the iceberg aswell, there are so many things wrong with his chum kui. it just wouldn't work.
Marwyn The Mage Instead of criticizing, maybe you should personally touch hands with him and see if he can redirect your forces. The reason why he doesn’t need to do all those huge movements is because he can efficiently and effectively redirect your force with minimal effort. Sifu Mark Spence has shown some really high level Chum Kiu right here that an “external” practitioner cannot really see or understand until you feel it first hand.
Watching this there are a lot of positives . Movement is lovely and fluid and posture is so relaxed. Bit different form how I learned it with the arm position being a little lower in some parts and the steps smaller. But in saying that nice instructional video and as other comments say this form can be personal to the person doing it
Question, it would seem as if you keep your hands a little too close to your body. Is that the camera angle, or does your system encourage tighter positioning? Thanks.
Obrigado Rafael pela dica! Realmente as formas são diferentes das que treino com meu sifu; porém, como existem algumas diferenças de acordo com as linhagens e até mesmo na mesma linhagem é meio que comum que isso aconteça. Se reparar bem no siu nim tao feito por Ip Man e o feito pelo seu aluno Leung Ting perceberá diferenças também. E olha que ele foi um aluno bem conceituado e "grande" representante do Wing Chun (Wing Tsun) do Ip Man. Para mim foi interessante o vídeo acima, pois auxilia no aprendizado pela forma lenta em que ele é executado. Valeu!
Na década de 80 conheci um mestre chines, Lee tat Yan (Já falecido) Treinei alguns anos com ele, sendo que ele ministrava Shaolin do Norte e Wing chun em Niteroi, no Rio; mas tenho praticado Wing chun atualmente. Não há muito tempo, mas o que vale é a nossa dedicação.
Your style is different from mine. At 0:35 to 0:50, there must be at least 2 inches distance for both hands. Both hands must not stick to each other. Moreover , your stance is quite different.
To Ahmed Han... Judging too quickly from a movie is not correct... I know Mark Spence since he came to Prague for a seminar in 2006 and he is very good...
Unfortunately I think that this performance lacks any determination and effectiveness, but it might be intentional. Still, a good video to refresh one's memory regarding the general sequence.
Es gibt verschiedene Stile, jeder hat seine Berechtigung. Nach Ip Man ist der erste "Tritt" tatsächlich nur ein Beinheben zur Vorbereitung und keine Technik. Kannst du überprüfen, wenn du dir Ip Man Videos ansiehst. Egal ob er selbst oder Samuel Kwok oder die Söhne Ip Chun und Ip Chin. Frage dich des weiteren, warum man in Hong Kong das gesamte System in 4 Jahren lernt und bei der EWTO 30 Jahre in Endlosschleife trainiert. LG ein EX WTler und nun Schüler des Ip Man Wing Chun.
Exactly, learn your first form and get better at that and get an understanding, then when you’re at the level, you’ll have a base for your second form movements
This doesn’t seem right. The wing hand is too short. Remember, you have to connect theory with reality, and this comes no way close. I’d love to show you what wing chun is really about. This video looks nice but loses the very main point.
Everything is wrong in this video. You don't move feet once a time, your arms are too high. Chum-Kiu, against Siu Nim Tau, was created to move around the space. While you perform this form you should Image enemies around you. Are you kidding me?
what about rotation, it is centred to an external point instead of the central line passing through head and torso. This video is good only to have a rough idea of the movements, but basis needs to be improven
those kicks need a lot of work, and so does the rest of your footwork. drop the hands an inch or two all round and really focus on the details in each movement because the whole thing is sloppy.
Lina G I have, and in that footage he is like 90. don;t try and learn from an old man that can barely move, learn from his top students or theirs since most of the guys directly trained by ip are old AF now.
Mark Spence learned wing chun from one of Yip Man's top students Chu Shong Tin for more than 20 years. You may be learning a different lineage of wing chun, but it doesn't make it less ridiculous that you're trying to give this man your advice. Don't judge his form until you challenge his skills in real life.
What about the pink belt? Can those kicks pass the mighty pink belt? Your positioning relative to your wc knowledge needs some re-positioning. #nosuchthingasbeltsinwingchun
Don't go to chi sau club kids. There are so many things wrong with this form, even his understanding of wing chun really. Switching of stance, execution of the sentences , sharpness and power of the delivery, which only comes from an understanding what the sentences are applied to. I shudder to think this guy is a sifu. Clearly just some dude practicing nice looking movements. His wing chun just wouldn't work outside of the studio.
Marwyn The Mage Before you attack someone, go do some research on who this man is. Just because in your perspective he’s not doing something your limited experience and understanding could understand doesn’t mean he’s doing it incorrectly. Way to falsely accuse or slander an honorable honest person.
He would hit you once and you don't get up - your guts feel like a small hand grenade went off inside you - so yeah, he can use this stuff real good!!!
Sifu Mark worked as a bouncer for 12 years in NZ. He knows how to handle himself. If the forms don't make sense to you that is because the lineage differs.
