Upon rewatching, it reminds me of one of the great things about BJJ, the ability to win, and even win definitively, without doing any real damage to your opponent if you don't want to. Good, respectful match for both these guys, taking it with good humor.
Dude that's inside of a gym and there are no hostile feelings. in a rl situation if you armbar somebody they ll probably dont understand wtf is going on and will spaz like crazy until their arm is broken
Speaking as someone who started with wing Chun, it's a great striking art but as far as ground game goes I don't see it ever working. The guy in the video was not prepared lol. The first time I tried to fight BJJ with WC it ended in 30 seconds, but I started mixing a little boxing and wrestling concepts with my WC(and actual full contact sparring) and I do much better. Fighting is about evolution if you stay in the same place you go extinct.
I'm going to dissagree with it as a good striking art. The only time I ever saw WC some what work was against an out boxer of Muay Thai. And the only reason it some what worked was because no one wanted to make the first move. Also I'm talking about WC by it self. Not mixed with anything
To be honest, the ground fight would not have happened at all if the w. c. guy knew the basics. There is a specific technique to prevent these kind of BJJ attacks. I used to learn it when I was a kid and it's not even difficult. Sad to see again and again, when videos claim and use a clueless loser and trying to prove that the martial art suck not the guy in the video.
That dude is clearly a novice of any martial art. Not saying wing chun would beat BJJ in a setting like this, but this guy isn't beating anyone in any setting
I was being a bit hyperbolic in my last post for comedic effect, but it doesn't seem like eye strikes have historically been very effective. The thing is, if you don't train for something in real full-resistance sparring, you won't be able to do it in real life. Wing chun rarely, if ever, employs free sparring, and when it does, to the best of my knowledge, it doesn't train eye strikes, so even if it were a good technique I don't think it would be usable by the practitioner. I think there is another big issue with eye strikes, namely that it's very hard to hit a trained target in the head with an oversized glove on, much less target their eyes. If you watch a good boxer, you'll see that he is easily avoiding multiple super-fast punches to the face. It's obviously possible to hit people in the face, it happens all the time, but it's harder than it looks and as we make our target smaller and smaller it's going to get exponentially more challenging. I think the final issue, at least within the context of fighting a BJJer, is that the fight is only going to be on its feet for the first few seconds because wing chun doesn't train full resistance take down defense and has no ground game. Once on the ground, eye strikes may or may not still be available depending on the position being used (definitely available if you're in someone's guard, quite difficult if you're mounted, impossible if they're on your back). The big problem there is that the BJJer is now in a dominant position and is much more capable of launching eye strikes (or any strike or submission really) than the person that is being pinned. I'm not trying to trash wing chun there, I'm just genuinely not sure how the wing chunner proceeds within their system to defeat a wrestler, judoka or BJJer.
WC guy needed to learn how to sprawl better. From there he could have employed something like a lan sau, like a arm to hold distance between the bjj guy. After that strike to any part of the head or if it wasn't sparring the spine... Just needs to keep training with the bjj guy and a good teacher ;)
@@blackpowderkun You would think so, but you would also think that landing a punch to the face is easier than landing a poke to the eye, and the WC guy here never even managed that.
This video really proves no point, I tend to dislike these videos for the same reason of the comparison scale. Here you have a bjj purple belt, which is the equivalent (if not more) of a modern day black belt in most martial arts today VS some random wingchun practitioner who is clearly not on the same level of physical understanding or strength conditioning. The kung fu fighter looks out of shape. Put a purple belt against any other martial artist of the same caliber as the wing Chun man and of course he will beat him. If we want a serious discussion we need to compare similar level athletes. And this is coming from a guy who trains and has trained with UFC champions. I did 2 years of wingchun in college. And honestly it doesnt hold against bjj today because of the training regiment it has. BJJ training tends to be very intense daily. Wing Chun had a harder time to reach that intensity within sparring. Anyways I'll finish my rant here, anyone who thinks this video makes an argument, it really doesn't, the metrics are super skewed. And this is coming from an avid bjj practitioner
I will not disrespect kung fu. I loved taking wing chun and the tim making friends. It gave me self defense techniques that was used when I was attacked one late night while out of town. Did it flow just like class...no; not at all. But class kept me in shape and gave me confidence to fight on when most would just let whatever happen. It gave me a fighting spirit. Fighting is so gritty and up close. I hit the guy with my right fist (strongside), the guy tried to kick me adn i grabbed it, grabbed him, picked him up and slammed him on the ground with my weight crashing down on him. It took the life out of him. I got up and he was stunned. He did not move but he was blinking. I slowly got up and got out of there. I know. Most would say that was BJJ and you would be right. I did not have any lessons but that is what came out. I flowed with it. Gracie Jiu Jitsu is another beast. It is grappling and when big boys get too close, it happens. I have seen it over and over. I plan on taking more classes in it as I can get old with it. They have strikes but they are more reared toward not breaking your hands. Remember this was an art for a small person to put a more athletic person on there ass. You can punch and go like the rest and dictate the punishment you wish to serve out in the streets. You can knee, kick and all. Don't be fooled. This is an art to take down killers (professional fighters). This would only be second to a firearm defense.
Brilliant jui jitsu. I learned a lot. Wrapping your arm around a charging opponent’s head feels like control but if u don’t have the proper strength you’re just going for a ride. Push the head away and watch your feet. Wing chun one keep things away from the centerline not hold them toward it.
Sorry BJJ lovers.. just because "this" Wing Chun student didn't choose to put his knee through the face of his attacker, when he went for the takedown.. doesn't mean others wouldn't 😉 or elbow strike to the base of his neck/head while his heads down trying to tackle him 😂
Wing chun guy was using a bad stance also didnt use punches just kicks so the title is really bad too this wasnt wing chun it was "kickboxing or basic karate vs Brasilian Jiujitsu" the title is really bad man 😢
Every time there's a fight and the Kung Fu fighter is easily defeated even when it's a Kung Fu Master with a great lineage and millions of fans or that last guy will also had a really good lineage the. There is always at least one stupid person that says these exact word "That wasn't real kung fu" or "where was the Kung Fu?'' well it is real kung fu it is because Kung Fu doesn't work in a real fight IT IS THE STYLE, NOT JUST THE FIGHTER. C level MMA blue belt beats A level Kung Fu 9.9/10 times
I've actually seen a lot of Sanda and Choy Lay Fut fighters beat kickboxers and some Muay Thai practitioners. Kung fu is an umbrella term and some are better than others.
Is that so? Name one wing Chun fighter witha reputable lineage that's fighting? Most high level wing chunners arent fighting, they know what damage they can do and what damage can be done to them. Showing off is the fools idea of glory.
@@dizdeck357 They can't do any damage against even a bad MMA fighter but yes, they can get hurt. Those mythical Wing Chun fighters that can beat MMA fighters DO NOT EXIST, not even close. We can prove BJJ beats WC, we can prove MMA beats WC but you will never see WC fighters consistently beating MMA fighters. You will keep seeing real fighters easily beat Wing Chun fighters in real fights, NHB, MMA or any type of no rules or minimal rules fighting. Right here on youtube there's hundreds of proofs. No amount of facts or video evidence will ever convince some people.
@@jeffduce55 yes. Because it would be filmed if it was true, right? I think that is just ignorance. Name one wing chun fighter. There are a lot of kung fu out there. Boxing is kung fu, bjj is kung fu, yoga is kung fu. It means "hard work". I didnt see any essence of "wing chun" in this guys body nor have I seen any wing chun in ANY video i have seen where the guy claims he know wing Chun. It takes at least a few years to really understand how it works. All the videos I see of so called wing Chun are done by neophytes. Go to a wing chun school and spar a wing Chun guy with 5 years and then tell me the experience. I can give you recommendations. .however. like I said, wing chun practioners train for different reasons. They are going to "spar" so it's why we dont. Someone is going to get hurt.
@@dizdeck357 I'm far from the best MMA fighter but i would take down 99.999% of all WC fighter within 30 seconds and have them in a RNC before 2 min. A good MMA fighter would slaughter 99.99% of all WC fighters any way they want. I did WC for 3 years and i even did Aikido so i was also delusional once but my reality was shattered when i opened my mind and decided to test myself against a BJJ fighter.
There is no "so...". If you want to fight MMA, you NEED to learn BJJ. Simple as that. No matter what style you are. Just like you NEED to learn strike to fight MMA, simple simple simple idea. Theres no arguement on that.
@@ChuckS9A Man you just make me want to swear. Are you stupid or what? That's a freaking sport! Do you understand what "Sport" is? In the f**king game, there will be losers and winners. what's wrong with that?! Losing a game just means his opponent is simply better than him in this SPECIFIC GAME! do you get this or not?
@@ChuckS9A My friend, a fight ending quickly doesn't mean it was NOT a real fight. Who set the "real fight" standard as 5 min round? It was just a real fight where two fighters with different styles combated with each other. Don't make this complicated.
I like both fighting styles honestly, Wing Chun is fantastic when well done this was not a good example of Wing Chun. But even if it were as a couple of other people pointed out there's not much WC can do in a grappling situation except hit as hard and fast as you can so your arms can't get pinned. Once BJJ pinned that one arm it was over.
Why would anyone pick Wing Chun over pretty much any other striking art? You're either old and stuck in the 70-80's with the mysticism of the traditional Asian martial arts or you're just being ignorant/lived under a rock for the past 25 or so years lol
Too much of a mismatch power wise and probably also age wise. The bjj guy too seems to have been not taking the match seriously as his technique and transition to the armbar although fast was not as clean. Just nit picking as it could have been different if he was going against a legit opponent.
I read a couple of comments! This is a disgrace using the Wing Chun name..No WC-VT here as usual. Those that know real Wing Chun stay quite and learn, no need to prove them selves or fight.
@@DanielDavis730 You will be able to know what’s fake what’s real if you got into some serious fight training. Just go to the nearest boxing club you will know what I’m talking about
BJJ is not a "best" combat martial art, but it provides the practitioner with very many takedowns - though maybe not as many as Judo as they do focus on throws. BJJ empathizes following the takedown and getting an advantageous position. A position where you can continue strikes on an near defenseless opponent or go for submissions. A takedown like that on asphalt or concrete would have ended the fight right there... maybe even ended the guy on the bottom's life. A top tier MMA fighter generally always has a decent chunk of his or her takedowns from either BJJ or Wrestling, with a lot of the top control and submission grips from BJJ. Maybe there's creedence to Wing Chun or Kung Fu, but not on their lonesome. Someone who practices either probably has a lot of stamina, strength and tenacity, but their fights look tailor made against its own style. Or maybe would work great if humans had computer level reaction time and superhuman strength. BJJ has little of this delusion. It knows most fights end up a grappling competition with takedowns. Choosing to focus on the scramble that will occur on the floor. Though naturally things like half-guard, knee guard and the likes are not going to give you much advantage if the opponent strikes you as well, but they are still very useful in MMA fights when both opponents are slowly draining their batteries and each strike might not ring true or cost more energy than the damage they inflict even when landing.
Did anybody watching this taught it was going to end up any other way.I wonder what excuse the wing chun dummies thats right dummies because that is the only thing or person posing like a dummy that wc techniques would work against.But as usual the dummies will continue to give their money and bow to made up great great grand bubbas i wonder who is going to be the first wc bubba to have his student call him god.
What I get from this video is some dude do some WC stance he has seen from a video or a few courses. Throw a shit low quality kick that does zero damage and then show off his belly, dance around a bit. Fail to check the shooter going for a double legged take down, get the air knocked out and almost end up with a broken neck and a arm.... I am so sorry but this is really not what I would call a trained Wing Chun fighter. I have seen a lot of good fighters from the Wing Chun/Wing Tsun world. However, most come from the Wing Tsun school as they have always trained ground fighting and anti grappling and train full contact fights as well.
Mhm yeah yeah fanboy alert i see. Ahh btw there is no anti grabbling. If you are grabbed by a fighter, then you are grabbed. If you saw some moves in their schools how they show their " anti grab", just do a favor to yourself, just leave this school. Believe me.
@@Friday_13th_on_elmstreet Not really a fan when it comes to Wing Tsun. Just cross trained a lot the last 32 years. However, my main stuff is Sanda/Shuai Jiao(lots of ways how handle a grappler that grabs you here are trained and taught) combined with Xing Yi(lots of weapon sparring in full combat armor). I instantly see through these silly videos.
Gerard voughn faust no. Bruce lee was a freak athlete, and he studied several types of martial arts, and he himself said wing chun was very limited, and if the fight went the ground then probably, yes
In sparring grappling wins almost always. Think it..i dnt wanna explain why. But it s normal. No one in sparring goes for a kill. There s no big reasom. Of course blowjojitsu gays don t understand the concept
Terrible kungfu. When you got grab in the leg. You go in stance. That why master teach stand first thing and you must do it for months before anythimg else
Actually it's all about the fighter In wc there are defences against something like this And I don't think the other guy was a wing Chun practitioner at all... Wrong stance, wrong etc
i used to think that way. not anymore. scenario: "A" has no martial arts background. "A" go learns a martial art. let's say this martial art teaches the practitioner to put his hands by the side and use headbutts to attack, just an example. "A" learned this martial for a few months; got into self-defense situation with an unarmed robber who knows boxing. "A" unfortunately got robbed because this martial art taught its practitioners wrong hand positioning and using headbutts to attack, no defense, whatever right. in this situation how can anybody claim: "hey its not the style, it's the fighter." clearly the fault is the style. i used to hear some traditional MA said "hey my martial art has a very long learning curve to be good." then i say this is the fault of the style not the fighter. if you would choose between a MA that takes a long time to learn and a MA that takes a short time to at least defend yourself then take the shorter time one. to take the longer time to learn just do not make sense to me. anything can happen at anytime. my advice, "it's not about the style, it's about the fighter" this claim MUST be erased by everybody. this statement is no good. its not promoting anything positive. its promoting a lot of lies.
poor wing chun practicioner. sloppy kicks, did not immediately elbow strike head when dude went to grab legs. inability to maintain distance. not bending legs properly. the list goes on and on.
This absolutely don'ts make sense! if you cant maintain his stance preference, cannot void grappling, cannot be superior in striking against ONE people how hell can do it against two, three or four?
Narc well I was making a Princess Bride joke but... If you are fighting multiple people you better make damn sure none of them close and grapple with you, else you are totally screwed. You want to hit them fast and if not incapacitate them at least stun enough to move onto the next guy without taking too many hits yourself. Which is what Wing Chun is good at... Good wing Chun, not this doofus.
I like the comments about "not a fair fight because Wing Chun doesn't have grappling." That's the point!!!!!....since when are real fights fair?...that's also the point!!!!....
*SIGHS* Once again, a youtube video proclaiming Wing Chun when there was zero Wing Chun in this video, and the guy fighting the BJJ guy broke every law and principles of WING Chun there was, yet the Fan Bois of MMA's 856 rules will still deny the facts and say "But the internet says it's Wing Chun so it must be so". Jesus christ guys. If you are gonna show BJJ vs WC make sure it's actually WC. Not some fail TKD guy.
It's funny that, none wingchun "master" has ever shown any kind of wingchun skill in a real fight. So i guess the "real wingchun man" you just mentioned must have hidden in a remote village and pretend to be a farmer and wait to die like this. wake up and see the real world man, just let your ego go. saying that "traditional skill" is better than now, just like saying your iphone 3 has better performance than iphone x. it just make none sense. AND, unlike boxing, wingchun has never been invovled into a better combat style. WC, together with taichi, are just some sort of workout routines.
Considering who is studying Wing Chun with 5 or more years behind them and the numbers of those people who are actually taking Physical fitness to the point of being an athlete to go into a combat sport, it isn't ironic at all. On top of this, you are posting on a video labeled "Wing Chun vs BJJ" when there's zero Wing Chun. That other guy isn't Wing Chun. So again, you are bashing a Martial Art that you haven't seen, and know nothing about, to the point where you mistake any TKD for Wing Chun or mistake Karate for Wing Chun. The new thing today is mistaking 52Blocks and Jailhouse Rocks for Wing Chun. It's getting retarded. People who think 52blocks looks like Wing Chun are the same people who think a baby kitten looks like a hot steaming sandwich. It's retarded. My ego has nothing to do with my comments, integrity does. Yes there's some Wing Chun fights on youtube and the WC practitioner loses, but the majority of these titled videos "Wing Chun vs MMA" or Wing Chun vs BJJ" are not WC. Wonder why that is? Why is there a conspiracy for people to hate a system so much, to the point where they label any bad fighter of any style as WC? If you had integrity you'd look into WC and realize how many times RU-vid videos are lying. A real warrior doesn't lie, especially after a fight or on the battlefield guy. No matter what you say, to insult me, doesn't make this fighter in the video suddenly Wing Chun. I would say it's your ego that wants him to be WC.
Why would Wing Chun go into a fighting sports match where there's 830 rules all designed to slow and hinder what we do how we counter and how we attack while all those moves are supporting 1 system called BJJ? I wouldn't. That's retarded. 90% of the counters to half the stuff that happens in UFC that I would personally do are illegal. YOu can't even hit the back of the head, you can't elbow in situations and certain positions, no small joint locks, there's 830 rules and you act like UFC is some all time scientific fighting test to see who is the best and what style is the best. That's funny.
I never said Traditional skills are better than today. Do you know what Manipulative Speech is? Wing Chun has principles and rules and theories that's what makes it Wing Chun or doesn't. Wing Chun can adapt to anything, but when you adapt you are still applying the Wing Chun principles and rules and theories to any new kind of move or new kind of counter to something. The problem is your video here has a guy fighting breaking every WC Principles while also not showing us anything that follows a WC Principle and you want to call him a Wing Chun fighter? Ummmmmmmm. Did you lose your integrity during that whole parroted rant up top that you got from "hey hey hey Joe Rogan?"
It's funny that you've never seen the many REAL WING CHUN videos of competition and fights that are on RU-vid, but you instead watched shitty TKD fighters and assumed it was Wing Chun like this video.
There was no Wing Chun here. Just some jumping around showing the belly. Look at the Wing Tsun ground fighting and you will realize how silly this video is.
No knees, no elbows, no front kick to the knee to stop the advance. No use of chi sao to stop the arms from dropping to the legs and not strong punching forward with the body and extend the leg to the rear as the BJJ dude went for that double legged takedown. This WC dude has no clue about real fighting or close range/duan quan, wrestling/shuai jiao and zero floor work trainng/di mian gong.
Good for you. But only IF the jiujitsu guy didn't have a knife in the hand in a street fight and IF the jiujitsu guy happened to have a loaded gun in hand as well. You see, we can play the word "if" in a debate, but it doesn't change the fact that what actually happened.
