WING CHUN STANCE - is it important or not?!!

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www.mindfulwingchun.online
In the beginning practicing the traditional stance is crucial but at high level (Chu Shong Tin's level) there is NO STANCE!
*A note about this channel the lineage:
Sifu Nima King is the owner and team leader of Mindful Wing Chun, a CST Wing Chun school in Hong Kong with affiliations around the world. Mindful Wing Chun is wholeheartedly dedicated to passing on the internal wing chun method as passed down by Grandmaster Chu Shong Tin who was the longest serving student of Grandmaster Ip Man. Chu Shong Tin lived with Ip Man for 5 years (1950-1955) and was coined the title ' the king of siu nim tao' by his master Ip Man.
He was a legend in the world of Wing Chun (in particular the internal method of wing chun) and spent 64years passing it on full-time before he passed away in 2014. Nim King practiced under hin in Hong Kong for 9 years and established Mindful Wing Chun under CST's guidance. Nima is also on the board of Directors for the 'Chu Shong Tin Alumni' which is a group of senior students of CST that were hand picked by him to establish the Alumni and to uphold and continue his teachings and Wing Chun legacy after he passed away.
Grandmaster Chu Shong Tin was a very humble and low-key Wing Chun Master therefore its only after we began putting his videos online, that people started to hear about him. In fact, majority of the main Wing CHun teachers (of the Ip Man lineage) who began practice in the 50s and early 60s (apart of Leung Sheung and Lok Yiu) were trained by CST even-though they were Ip Man's students. This is due to CST being the most snr and main teacher of Ip Man's school in those days.
Nima was lucky to start his practice under CST in 2005 because that's when CST decided to change his teaching to all internal practice so that he can pass on "Nim Tao' and 'Nim Lik' (the mind power/energy cultivated through internal Wing Chun practice) to his students.
Nima, even though a non-chinese and much younger than the other students of CST, attained a high level of these final teachings. He now mainly teaches the seniors within this lineage and also travels around giving workshops and is working on an online program so that master CST's teaching can have a greater reach.
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Long live the genuine and internal art of Wing Chun / Ving Tsun!

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@Don-James 7 месяцев назад

Chu Shong Tin Sifu was a great teacher and a very sweet, gentle person. He like all four of Ip Man's most intimate students, has a unique personality and his approach to Ving Tsun is (IMO) very much a reflection...

@MindfulWingChun 4 месяца назад

100%. They were all greats...

@GrandmasterGregYau 4 года назад

Thank you for sharing. CST was my teacher's first teacher.

@MindfulWingChun 4 года назад

Nice. Who is your teacher if you don't mind me asking

@marclacey2263 6 лет назад

This content is gold! A truly impressive level of skill.

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

Thank you Marc. Yeah his skill was extremely impressive indeed and more importantly he was such a kind and humble human being that dedicated his life to passing it on to others

@dhern049 6 лет назад

This is awesome, I would LOVE to see those videos! Thanks Nima

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

My pleasure Dan. Will keep them coming...

@NoobieSnake 6 лет назад

YES! :) Thank you very much for a new video! Really appreciate it! :) Gonna savor this later since it's 1:35 AM over here in Vancouver!

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Nice! a great time to be watching Kung Fu clips :)

@myshadowkungfu 5 лет назад

Everything Wing Chun has dvds and digital downloads of this man's work. Get a box set. He needs a translator but, he is THEE BEST at the internal Kungfu on RU-vid.

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

Yeah there is so many seminars of him teaching in Australia at Susan Ho's school in the late 90s and early 2000s. She actually does a pretty good job of translation. he also has his own DVD which is now translated into English also (subtitles). And for those you are looking for a step by step process into every aspec this art as he taught it (forms, techniques, Chisau, sequence of intentions applied in each form etc.), I would strongly recommend joining the online school www.mindfulwingchun.online

@nickdobrov 6 лет назад

Will we see the Sifu Chu Shong Tin clip you mentioned (at 19:50)? Really looking forward to it! Thank you for the videos!

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

I just need to find it man. I have around 1.5TBs of footage so hundreds (if not thousands) of clips which are all unnamed files :) and now with my second baby arriving a month ago things are pretty busy. Having said that, I'm working on making an online course since so many people are asking me to do it from around the world, so I'm sure I will need to start going through the clips and tidying it up so will post that when I see it :)

@LokeKS 5 лет назад

Did you manage to sort out the files for the video?

@davidwilliams4837 4 года назад

Structure trains the mind for "state" [directed intention or "idea"]. The Siu Nim Tao subtly aligns the body to the mind and spirit [many kinds of chi]. We are to practice by allowing our "idea" to direct our movement, not the other way around. Once movement results from intention [purely], then structure is less important. But until then structure feeds back to state. Muscle is less important than structure; structure is less important than state. It is counterintuitive, but all movement begins with conception [mind force]. We train backwards, miming movement rather than excavating the ideas which drive the technique. We will forever fail until we resist what is evident for what is hidden within. Just as the sail [flesh] of a ship is powerless without gathering the unseen wind, so it is with techniques devoid of mindful intent. CST achieved a very high level of Wing Chun. His mind was his weapon. We must seek to view these things in such a way.

@Far7anR 4 года назад

What a beautifully written comment. Thank you for sharing.

@davidwilliams4837 4 года назад

@@Far7anR Thank you, brother. God bless.

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

Very well said David. Cheers!

@waelatyat927 6 лет назад

رائع. wonderful thanks for your nice explain

@MindfulWingChun 5 лет назад

Glad you enjoyed it. Always a pleasure sharing...

@levonpogosian5722 6 лет назад

Hello Nima, is it possible that he used the connection to the ground from you body when you were holding him in the air ? (some kind of indirect connection used from his arm to yours and then to your feet touching the ground) I mean it could make more sens because of his high level of "feeling power"... I'd like you to give me your opinion on this point of view, sir :) Thanks

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Hi, Using the ground foir power is an elementary stage of all internal practice. later on, we dont need the ground and (as long as there is gravity) we will be able to do it even if suspended in the air because we learn to use our center of mass as the power source. Im actually working on creating an online course to help people understand the correct method of practice step by step. So hopefully something will be ready within the next 6 months!

@johnrogers4983 6 лет назад

Thank you

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

Cheers John. Hope all is well with you and yours

@Gieszkanne 4 года назад

Looks like Nima asked question on which he knows the answer already. He did asked it for the others nice gesture.

@MindfulWingChun 4 года назад

During this period I was training at his house 6hrs a day. But he didn't accept any new students so my students couldn't train with him full-time. Thats why I asked him to do regulars seminars at my school and since I knew the level of understanding of my students I was able to ask the right questions for their benefit :)

@KingDariusMartial-dc2nr 8 месяцев назад

In terms of when not using the ground force can this be applicable when I do the Clean and Jerk in weightlifting?

@MindfulWingChun 7 месяцев назад

No I dont believe it can

@muslimspeakmy 4 года назад

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

🙏🙏

@perrypelican9476 4 года назад

I don't want to see this kind of power necessarily in a real fight but I would like to see it's effectiveness in sparring. I realize that it's useless for a beginner and takes time, maybe years of serious training to be able to make it effective in an intense fight. At some point, an mma fighter will use this method and it will change things in the fight world. I suppose the problem is that it takes a long time. It might not be easy to train for mma and internals at the same time. You may have to take a long break from traditional mma to reach an effective level of internal power. The big question is can someone maintain a solid muscular body as a way to avoid injury from very strong external strikes or is the internal power with minimal muscular strength enough to beat any fighter using only external force? Bjj practitioners who reach a level to be able to win mma fights myst train bjj for years. Since bjj is not a body builder type of training, could someone strain towards a bjj black belt and master internal energy. I am imagining a bjj fight where one guy can control the other to not allow any submissions. You do it with wing chun but why not with a grappling martial art. You use wing chun forms to train internal skills but of course there are many other ways. iP Man and masters before him used their wing chun forms but do you think there are more efficient ways to train for someone who never did wing chun who wants to learn how to control their inner energy with no desire to learn any external stuff.

@MindfulWingChun 4 года назад

Yup, very true. I personally have a play with my freinds who are grapplers and also spar with my students (well, before this whole pandemic came about). I also do conditioning and can take a hit which I've shown in videos. Honestly, I can hold my own with BJJ blue and purple belts (who have trained full time for 4to5years) in a grapple. The only Black belt I rolled with was Ryron Gracie when I attended his seminar in Korea. That was many years ago and it was my first interaction with BJJ. Ryron was very relaxed and in control with everyone he touched hands with. I think as my kids grow up and I get more time I will get more involved in grappling cause I love its culture and system. But having said this, in all honesty its not easy for me to stay in the same state as I do in my forms and chisau when Im grappling or sparring. It's not easy to do at all but i think its because I don't do them enough. I haven't spent enough hours sparring and grappling to be able to transfer my 'state' into them properly. More time and practice is needed for sure!

@myshadowkungfu 5 лет назад

I saw something online where someone was talking down on somebody else saying that they were being subjected to "concepts they wouldn't understand anyway." It's a failure of the teacher to teach if you can not make someone understand what is being taught. It isn't the students fault, it's the teachers. Any concept can be understood by anybody with the proper instruction. I think this goes for any concepts, wether they be Wing Chun concepts or philosophical concepts or any other.

@experiment54 4 года назад

Cant agree with that. Can a person who has never been drunk understand an explanation of being drunk? or a virgin understand what sex feels like. Or someone without a child the wonder of becoming a parent? Somethings need experience and it is a physical experience not an intellectual one that gets one there. Well that's how I had come to understand things. Maybe you know something ive missed? 😊

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

There is definitely a big difference between intellectual and experiential understanding. No doubt!

@fabriziopalmieri8104 6 лет назад

extraordinary

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

Cheers Fabrizio. And yeah he was pretty amazing in his ability and teachings of his method :)

@eyeswideopen2536 4 года назад

Yes

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

🙏

@DxvidStyle 4 года назад

Its gravitational forces (up and down)+ inner rotational forces all recruited by Nim Lik right?

@MindfulWingChun 4 года назад

So the rising up is the expansion of the joints in the spine from the tailbone to the top of the spine. the dropping is the release of the muscles, and the rotational force is moving from the center of mass.. In this demo CST did not use any Nim Lik

@DxvidStyle 4 года назад

Mindful Wing Chun oh dang i thought Nim Lik was the general term that kind of stood for the power to achieve good intention. Isnt it Intention that fills the term “Nim Lik”? When Ip Man says we need to Lap Nim or dis-cover intention, we have to discover how to inentively cultivate our minds until they are a beautiful spring. Its pretty spiritually linked too. It feels as if the spirit, the real me, is pulled located at the center and then I suddenly release and sway somatic hip/centerline and shoulder with chum kiu and gently sink into the opposing object or person to establish the universes power of consciousness. (Unstoppable) unless it meets another unstoppable force. Flow~Crash

@MindfulWingChun 4 года назад

So I think you're talking about Nim Tao... Thats the state (part of brain) used to gain this special control over the muscles and skeleton. Nim Lik is the energy (for the lack of a better word) flow that is released in the body. This can be tangibly felt by another person for example when holding your forearm. I actually made a video on Nim Lik and this exact demo that Im talking about a few years back and its on this channel so you can check that out and it'll make things more clear. For the record. Noone is able to demonstrate Nim Lik since CST passed away. So its the highest achievement (the we know of) in CST Wing Chun and takes a long time to achieve

@cal-elvenn3628 Год назад

@@MindfulWingChun If Nim Tao is defined as the part of the brain used to gain special control over the muscles and skeleton, then i believe Nim Tao refers to the cerebellum. The cerebellum is in charge of fine tuning muscle coordination. The intent to move your muscles and perform a certain action comes from the cerebrum (main brain). The signals then get sent to the cerebellum (hindbrain), and it is the cerebellum that decides how or what muscles are to be recruited to produce that certain action. However, if Nim Tao is referring to a certain state as well, then it includes re-programming your cerebellum to do certain actions whenever you think of a certain action. (i.e. when being lifted up, you train all your body to go down; instead of pushing yourself up by dropping your shoulders). It is a well-known scientific fact that you can reprogram your cerebellum; however, it takes countless repetitions. Thus, the reason why internal arts takes years and years of practice. I bet reprogramming each and every action to fully and efficiently utilize your weight to do each and every action will require loads of erasing and reprogramming. what do you think?

@MindfulWingChun Год назад

@@cal-elvenn3628 Hey thanks a lot for sharing that. To be honest I'm motivated very sure re the exact thing that's happening. I personally think it's is a specific part of the brain but its definitely also a different state. When I'm in that state my muscles respond to my intention. It's hard to pit into words.

@jaditatv1488 6 лет назад

I want him to teach where is his dojo

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Hong Kong

@leebenson2660 6 лет назад

The dojo is located somewhere in Kowloon, Hong Kong. However, Master Chu already passed away on 2014. He's the best sifu I've ever seen. R.I.P.

@thunderflower7998 5 лет назад

was the master daoist?Buddhist?Christian? what is meant by Ineternal? projection of electrical current from ones dantien?like John Chang?

@MindfulWingChun 4 года назад

He wasn't actively practicing any religions but he has=d read some buddhist and taoist books. In this method we don't work with the Dantien. we work directly with the spine. If you check the earlier videos on this channel there is plenty of info which may shed some light as to the method of practice. If you are interested to actually learn this method pls do check out www.mindfulwingchun.online which goes through the entire system step by step.

@GonG108 4 года назад

which video ?

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

Sorry I dont understand, Which video for what?

@1girl4you1000times 2 года назад

So is it or not? Do i have to look the entire video to get a simple answer like yes or no??

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

It is very important at first to get the right state and it isn't once the state is gained, then stance doesn't matter . And yes I highly recommend you watch the whole video especially the bit at the end...

@1girl4you1000times 2 года назад

@@MindfulWingChun The structure of Ji Yi Kim Jeung Ma is explained. But i do not see it there. And if not seen then not there. Other stance=use of other bio mechanic=other structure. How can that work in a real fight with real pressure and brutal aggression? At least show some Gwoh Sau training?

@Dan53196 5 лет назад

It looks like people mystifying physics. If the partner uses only his arm to resist, he locks up and creates a lever to move his/her whole body. If you use the whole body including the spine and redirect force downward, when that partner lifts he is effectively lifting against the ground. No mystical ‘Nim Tao’ required

@urbankaizerz 4 года назад

That is in the beginning when you song, Afterwards you can dissapate incoming energy without transfering it to tue Ground (you dont get "heavier")

@maximuslaurie5139 3 года назад

well maybe a physicist can explain it but an athlete can do it. So if you're both, great. But not everyone needs to know the entire physics problem to do it. When you actually do it you need to not be cognitive, and have a more primitive command. Anyway, modeling the moves with newtownian physics is still an abstraction, because we ignore a lot of the internal forces and subroutines. For example, we could also say you need to use cellular respiration, but thinking of this wouldn't help you do it.

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

Thanks for the comment mate. Perhaps if you have time you can check out the tens of other videos on this channel of Chu Shong Tin's demos. Its not trying to mystify it. But what he could do requires a particular state of mind for the muscles and joints to be able to do what they need to do. Every person has this ability but a lot of training is required. CST was always trying to explain things in terms of physics, but the human being can achieve different things with their bodies depending ion the intention they produce. That is what Nim Tao is, it means intention...

@Dan53196 2 года назад

@@MindfulWingChun so it means the intent to relax and not inject stiffness into say the shoulder?

@alwilliams1997 6 лет назад

Why are people in martial arts obsessed with little details that make little difference. There is no Right Way. Just do what works for you.. Everyone does things differently - we are all individual.

@richardallan455 5 лет назад

Because Sifu would kick you out for wasting his time ,you obey without question.

@maximuslaurie5139 3 года назад

Well a lot of fights are determined by marginal differences. In terms of getting to something, the specifics matter less. In order to be reliably competitive, the details matter a lot.

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

Well in this particular case, the reason why grand master Chu Shong Tin broke things down so much is because he was not able to get any of his students to do what he could do, and he wasn't happy about that. You can how hard he tried in his own words in this clip: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CoV1XwrrRDE.html Also, Non of the other Ip Man students were looking at Wing Chun especially the internal power generated from Siu Nim Tao in the way that Chu Shong Tin did. Hence it put even more pressure on him to do his best to pass on as much as he could before passing away. Which he did, and we have hundreds of hours of footage of it, and they are all very important teaching material to the ones of us who are serious about achieving the highest internal levels as he had... Finally, sometimes just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean you should throw it away. it may mean that you need to work on it more to be able to understand it.

@DomenicDatti 4 года назад

Sure there is no real importance on a specific stance, but there is always a relationship with the ground. Without the ground, our mass is simply our own, and physics says that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Without the ground to use, the force of being pushed would simply move you backwards (or down if you were applying these principles while floating). I'm not claiming CST or the system is bunk. I'm simply not agreeing that the information that "there is no structural relationship with the ground" makes any sense. Even standing on one leg... that's not proving the point.

@maximuslaurie5139 3 года назад

well the force from the ground is the normal force. That is orthogonal to horizontal forces. To say that there is no relationship to the ground would be idiotic, because by standing we resist gravity and are acted on by the normal force. But the point is that the ground is not the source of power. Actually even when people use it more, obviously the force began from muscle contraction in there body, but by using the equal and opposite reaction, they can put more into the ground that comes back. The difference is that in one, the force is the same as standing, in the other, it is more.

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

Cheers for sharing Dominic, What if CST was able to mobilize his center of mass against the incoming force? lets say the person pushing is applying 20kgs of force and CST was able to produce 80kgs of force my mobilizing his mass. would he still bounce back or need to use force from the ground? My feeling from him was that he was able to use his COM to support every movement. even when it looked like he's body wasn't moving, I could feel that he was very subtly moving his COM. This is not taking into account the theory of him using the ligaments, or other's theory about using fascia or tensegrity force, or the flow of 'something' which he called Nim Lik. I myself don't pretend to fully understand what was going on and there surely must be a clear explanation on what he was doing in terms of physics, so am keeping an open mind to everyone's theories 🙏

@DomenicDatti 2 года назад

@@MindfulWingChun that sounds like a completely valid theory. I believe he could do that, and I'm sure people say the same of you to some extent. I've seen your skill and energy projection... I maintain that it's something very close to what Sifu Phu Ngo teaches. I would be very interested in a conversation or collaboration between you two... I think you're both the right combination of humble and skillful that you could learn a LOT from each other. It's a shame there is an ocean between us!

@MindfulWingChun 2 года назад

@@DomenicDatti Cheers. And yeah man I'm always up for sharing ideas with others, especially if I know it's going to benefit both parties so would be up for that with your Sifu Phu Ngo

@DomenicDatti 2 года назад

@@MindfulWingChun That would be awesome. I will mention something during this week's webinar/Q&A and see what they are open to if anything.

@genuinevt5762 6 лет назад

A lot of paradoxes. e.g. Stance is always important and is far more than your hand skills. 敵手行橋必須落馬 my friend. Take this or his. It is up to you.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Hi, I always emphasize that the Stance is very important until its fruits have been achieved after that there is no need for a physical shaped stance and the engine becomes internal, at this level external shapes do not matter. this is very hard to understand until its been felt...

@genuinevt5762 6 лет назад

You are partially right "ALWAYS" but not right about "UNTIL FRUITS....". 最重要是下樁,如果不落馬, 怎麼力從地起,馬步都不穩, 很簡單,好像滑雪,你不能說,你已經練到,就有. You don't need to lower your body. 如果這是真的,你不需要埋肘,因為同樣道理,你已經練到有,不需要再埋肘. You need to analyze not just to accept what you are told. This way you can improve. Like I said, 敵手行橋必須落馬. It is not like response which depends on muscle memory. Hope this helps. Again, like I said, it is up to you.

@MindfulWingChun 6 лет назад

Not sure you understand the concepts shared my CST my friend but thanks for your comments :)

@genuinevt5762 6 лет назад

I think you may not experience how powerful your punch/palm will be if you have your proper stance. If you know what Bruce Lee said "腰馬合一", you know why it is ALWAYS. Put it simply, a body coordination. Yes, you don't have to if you don't care the optimised power. Otherwise, it is a MUST if you want to have improvement in WC. 敵手行橋必須落馬is pretty basic (of course, need to learn properly and practice). Another thing, I'd suggest that you don't 插手 (in Siu Lim Tao) with your fingers pointing down like what most people did. I don't think this is right. If you get used to it, you will break your fingers by a kick. What is the point of contact/use of 插手? Definitely not your fingers, right? Not to say breaking your fingers, they are just the weakest parts unless you use it to poke the opponent's eyes, then fingers are good enough. I see something that is really needed to do it properly or at least improved.

@myshadowkungfu 6 лет назад

WC Seeker the truth is always somewhere in the middle.