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@Watcher3223
@Watcher3223 4 года назад
_"Tolwyn is now slated for execution tomorrow."_ In the meantime, he'll just be hanging around in his cell...
@M4nw1thnoname9
@M4nw1thnoname9 3 года назад
"Tolwyn didn't kill himself "
@RoninFox203
@RoninFox203 2 года назад
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHH well played, I nearly choked on my tea. 😆😂🤣
@DavidTourian
@DavidTourian 7 лет назад
As much as I loved the previous Kilrathi saga games... this sequence for me is why Wing Commander 4 is my favorite of the series. They could have gone with a typical epic space battle but instead they went with this confrontation on the senate floor. It's so unorthodox yet so effective. This is right up there with the ending with The Boss in Metal Gear Solid 3 - gaming memories that I will cherish until I die. People love Mark Hamill for Luke Skywalker and the Joker, which I love, but for me, Colonel Christopher Blair is his role for the ages. The man is a legend.
@SASburn6113
@SASburn6113 6 лет назад
David Tourian amen... As someone who has just played though all the games and literally just finished the final mission a few hours ago, I do have to say this was a amazing way to finish off the game and in all, the wing commander series. Mark Hamill did a great job with his role in wing commander 3 & 4. Overall, as a cinematic experience in a game in 1995, before the rise of cinematic gaming I have to say it was nothing short of amazing to see and play.
@SASburn6113
@SASburn6113 6 лет назад
Sorry for the long post, I just really like this game
@CocoOPNY
@CocoOPNY 3 года назад
Too bad he wasn't cast in the original movie!
@AbelMcTalisker
@AbelMcTalisker 3 года назад
This was one of the high points of the live-action cutscene era of gaming. At this point, they couldn`t produce convincing human characters as CGI so having live actors in the scenes was a necessity. With the Wing Commander games from 3 onwards, they really went to town and got a first-rate cast to appear in the scenes and with this one they got to almost movie quality. As CGI got better we got better-looking animated characters but they can`t act as well even now.
@mattosullivan9687
@mattosullivan9687 Год назад
Yep Yep Yep
@vonneely1977
@vonneely1977 3 года назад
In Star Wars, Mark Hamill defeated a Sith Lord. In Wing Commander, Mark Hamill defeated the Sith Philosophy.
@tetsuyatsurugi9250
@tetsuyatsurugi9250 2 года назад
If you’d think about it Tolwyn is very close to Palpatine
@piotrmiler234
@piotrmiler234 2 года назад
@@tetsuyatsurugi9250 He is more Tarkin like .
@snakes3425
@snakes3425 7 месяцев назад
Both Tolwyn and the Kilrathi were corrupted by Sith ideology
@autosundspiele1602
@autosundspiele1602 4 месяца назад
Tolwyn wasn't always evil, it was a descent into evil, maybe beginning with the lost of family in the Kilrathy war
@kdrapertrucker
@kdrapertrucker Месяц назад
And in 2024 he supported the sith candidate.
@UltimaKeyMaster
@UltimaKeyMaster Год назад
7:48 This. This is one of the highlights of Mark Hamill's career. Right here. I thought Joker's eulogy to Batman was already up there (even when he made it BETTER during a Star Wars Celebration and more menacing to boot), but it turns out he had an even better monologue up his sleeve the entire time, slipped right under our noses for those who didn't know of this once popular series. I can't tell you how much I was smiling ear-to-ear like an absolute fool listening to this just learning about these games recently. And I had called it by the end of the third game, too. He was obviously so focused on absolute power, on having an obvious enemy to fight, that the fourth game's beginning made it clear as day what he was going to become. And Blair gets to chew him out AND the scenery at the same time. Even if this series may have fizzled out a short time after this, I'm glad we got the first four games. They are a masterfully built up quadrology of titles.
@siralcatraz9049
@siralcatraz9049 Год назад
Even after 26 years (as of typing those comment), That "Price of Freedom" speech is still etched into my brain.
@Tr1pleZero
@Tr1pleZero Год назад
Indeed. Mark Hamill did an oscarworthy job in this cutscene. Mcdowell killed it as well though, such a great villain. And he is so damn convincing as well.
@guru47pi
@guru47pi 3 месяца назад
​@@Tr1pleZeroI could listen to McDowell read the phone book. It's funny; this cutscene from a flight simulator game is the single most memorable speech I can think of in my lifetime
@Tr1pleZero
@Tr1pleZero 3 месяца назад
@@guru47pi haha, yeah. I'd listen to him reading the phone book any day. Speech was absolutely amazing, He would have convinced me for sure.
@HaesslichG
@HaesslichG 6 лет назад
Hamill and McDowell were superb.
@juricadogan3870
@juricadogan3870 Год назад
Yup, Pavarotti was surprisingly good too.
@zephyr8072
@zephyr8072 Год назад
@Jurica Dogan HE IS NOT MR. PAVAROTTI. Mr. Pavarotti spikka lika dis. Does he spikka lika dis? NOOOOO.
@Robdc89
@Robdc89 Год назад
That's John Rhys-Davies, he played Gimli in the lord of the rings trilogy.
@zephyr8072
@zephyr8072 Год назад
@@Robdc89 To me he will always be Professor Maximillian Arturo.
@charlessaint7926
@charlessaint7926 9 лет назад
"HE is dead" That line stopped Tolwyn in his tracks. Love it. Blair's words and Tolwyn's face after that all show deep emotions.
@pfcthomasblackhawk1100
@pfcthomasblackhawk1100 5 лет назад
Charles Saint I just Luv when Bloopers get in the movie, and if you watch carefully Lots of Movies has Bunch of them...... everywhere 🤪
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 4 года назад
"Don't fuck with a Jedi Master son."
@willcardona7712
@willcardona7712 2 года назад
Yeah he was supposed to be perfection, but Blair beat him. So how perfect was he really?
@nascar138
@nascar138 3 года назад
I remember how devastated Tolwyn was in the third game when his cannon ship was destroyed. He fell into depression after that. Would explain his mentality in this one.
@PapaWolfGTG
@PapaWolfGTG 2 года назад
That’s exactly what happened. He threw everything he had into the G.E. Program and forming the Black Lance and making sure it was up and running as soon as possible after the Behemoth went down.
@zephyr8072
@zephyr8072 Год назад
In the greater s ope of things, the Concordia was his ship. Losing that probably hurt a lot too.
@SirCraigius
@SirCraigius 6 месяцев назад
Interesting theory, but I'm not personally so sure it was that one defeat that did it. Like he said, he believed mankind was at its peak while it was fighting for its survival against the Kilrathi. Peace meant complacity and stagnation in his eyes. He craved war. He had the same mindset as the Shadows in Babylon 5. Evolution and progress paid for in blood. He wasn't evil, he was just extremely misguided and obsessive in his aims to make humanity perfect.
@brentage5000
@brentage5000 5 лет назад
Loved this game so much as a kid, and love the fact that if you think about it, Blair is basically what Luke could have been without the Force
@SapphireCrusader1988
@SapphireCrusader1988 10 лет назад
I loved Blair's reaction after the vote was cast. A look of pure amazement at what he just accomplished.
@Tigerman1138
@Tigerman1138 7 лет назад
Stephen Jackson People rubbed his shoulders, hugged him, shook his hand, and he seemed only 5% aware still his awe so powerful by stopping a war.
@lithari1480
@lithari1480 5 лет назад
@@Tigerman1138 They don't make games like this anymore.....its all focused on micro-transactions and profit.
@SuperNitroZ64
@SuperNitroZ64 4 года назад
@@lithari1480 that just shows how desperate certain companies are.
@bursegsardaukar
@bursegsardaukar Год назад
“I’m not a farmer”. Nope. He has too much of his father in him.
@Sammy4549
@Sammy4549 6 месяцев назад
That's what I'm afraid of.
@bursegsardaukar
@bursegsardaukar 6 месяцев назад
@@Sammy4549 Kicks stone and watch the binary sunset.
@SNARC15
@SNARC15 7 лет назад
"Would you qualify the Gen-Select BIOWEAPON as an effective tool, Admiral?" At that moment...shots fired!
@vindicator05
@vindicator05 6 лет назад
10:18 What you see here is nothing less than the best finale of a computer-game. Regarding music, script, sceneplay, text. Loaded with pathos but nothing cheesy. Never before, never since.
@FuNati
@FuNati 6 лет назад
every Rockstar game
@stefanjevtic7175
@stefanjevtic7175 Год назад
​@@FuNatiyou must be joking.
@TheShiningEnergy
@TheShiningEnergy Год назад
What platforms is this on? Steam?
@vindicator05
@vindicator05 Год назад
@@TheShiningEnergy i dont know. The platform was called "CD-ROM" when i played it about 30 years ago ☺️
@Sizdothyx
@Sizdothyx 7 лет назад
How the Hell was Mark Hamill not teed up for more movies in the 90s with this performance?
@Tr1pleZero
@Tr1pleZero 7 лет назад
I have been wondering the same. Maybe he didnt want to?
@SirCraigius
@SirCraigius 5 лет назад
Adrian Arshad cause performance in a video game got zero resect back then in the film industry.
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 4 года назад
@@SirCraigius Pretty much. Also, not like he was hurting for money, was doing a good amount of voice work then, including of course as The Joker.
@JefferyAClark
@JefferyAClark Год назад
@@JnEricsonx I heard that he prefers voiceover work because the schedules are less demanding - go sit in a sound booth for a week and you're done for a while. It also allows him greater control over the actual "film/tv" roles he does, since when he attaches to them, he's not constrained by other projects.
@DarthKripple
@DarthKripple 7 лет назад
I can forgive Tolwyn's fear, but never his actions.
@thegame346
@thegame346 3 года назад
The music during the tribunal for Tolwyn was so well done. You really felt all the emotions you experienced during the game come out in that few minute recap of everything that had transpired and the music played a huge part of it. I wish they would remake these.
@derrickhaggard
@derrickhaggard Год назад
Same or a proper 6th game set after Prophecy as the ending of it hints at Christopher actually surviving his supposed sacrifice to save humanity. As I love this series. But given that EA holds the rights to the series chances of a proper remake of the original 5 games, or a official 6th game is slim to none and even if a remake of the original 5 games, or a official 6th game was announced there would be a chance that EA would screw it up by adding in tons of pay to win Microtransaction BS.
@SergeantPsycho
@SergeantPsycho Год назад
I like how Admiral Tolwyn sounds like the Terran Federation from Starship Troopers. Also his argument about being ready would have some merit with the next alien menace in Wing Commander Prophecy. That said, he's still in the wrong.
@Emigdiosback
@Emigdiosback 9 месяцев назад
Because his attempt at genetic purity will only just weaken humanity.
@davidvangerner7241
@davidvangerner7241 6 месяцев назад
​@@Emigdiosbackhumanity would be too low in population numbers for a war in the long run
@nerometalmkii2876
@nerometalmkii2876 2 года назад
"Maniac" "Yeah?" "Shut up" He needed to hear that, and so did we
@Maniac742
@Maniac742 Год назад
He became so depressed by that statement he decided to go back in time.
@UltimaKeyMaster
@UltimaKeyMaster Год назад
@@Maniac742 Oh. Oh my god I realized I was looking for the wrong person in IMDB, that IS BIFF.
@blockmasterscott
@blockmasterscott 6 месяцев назад
@@UltimaKeyMaster OMG, is that Biff? I never noticed!
@adamburge7971
@adamburge7971 Год назад
The Wing Commander series was great to play, and you actually felt for all the characters you worked with, and when the story killed off ones you liked ... well that hurt.
@Solarnova
@Solarnova 9 месяцев назад
Yeah years ago I was pretty sad to find out that Devereaux had only a small part to play in III and then she was gone. Losing Shadow in Wing Commander II really hit hard too, she was a good wingman. Spirit's death... yikes, some things you never forget.
@ambiancesb1
@ambiancesb1 10 лет назад
"Maniac.. Shut up." :)
@Steffanej
@Steffanej 5 лет назад
I still remember this as if it was yesterday. Both part 3 and 4 are among the best games ever made and the beste games of the 90s. Everything about this games is great. The story with the tragedies, the victories and you really felt like you accomplished something. The friendship you had in the game with characters made it very personal. If you lost a Wing man that you really liked it was difficult not to reload and if the story killed them off I was really pissed. Most games nowadays don't even come close the level of this game. I you have never played any of the first 4 games in de the series you have missed something. There is nothing out there that does the same thing and if they try to do so they fail miserably.
@mikelfurey
@mikelfurey 4 года назад
My 14 year old self always thought Tamara Farnsworth to be pretty cute..lol! In all honesty WC4 is an excellent piece of space opera, and i'm glad it was part of my childhood. Wish current space sims had this level of drama. There's more to sims than just the cockpit and walking around outside your ship with no clear reason.
@SapphireCrusader1988
@SapphireCrusader1988 10 лет назад
This was a great moment because it makes the players think if it is really worth it to protect the human race when our humanity is the first casualty.
@theymusthatetesla3186
@theymusthatetesla3186 10 лет назад
Interesting way of putting it!
@SapphireCrusader1988
@SapphireCrusader1988 9 лет назад
***** I'm glad you think so.
@Praxographist
@Praxographist 5 лет назад
Stephen Jackson uh yeah it’s worth. You can’t really impose ideals on an entire race.
@EmptyMan000
@EmptyMan000 3 года назад
@@Praxographist It's not about ideals, it's about being able function afterwards and be at peace with ourselves to have the drive to keep living. If we give up our humanity to live, then frankly what drive is there to live? How long before self-preservation just drops to zero?
@Praxographist
@Praxographist 3 года назад
@@EmptyMan000 And what is it that gets in the way of accepting the price of survival? Ideals. Self preservation is a sovereign instinct and will never falter. And the future is assured by those who have the strength to put a sock in their bleeding heart's mouth and do what is necessary.
@BornToPun7541
@BornToPun7541 2 года назад
Admiral Tolwyn's actions and behavior in this game is very similar to the Ringleaders faction of the Galactic Federation as mentioned in Metroid Fusion. And Col. Blair blew the cover off of Black Lance as Samus Aran blew the cover off of the Ringleaders' plans regarding the X-parasites, Metroids and even Space Pirates.
@UltimaKeyMaster
@UltimaKeyMaster Год назад
The unfortunate thing is how confused it made us in the English version, AND in Other M. They tried to paint the entire Federation as the ones at fault, that everyone higher up was responsible for those projects. It was only a rogue group, someone like Tolwyn who had engineered these projects, and would try to see Samus hung out to dry with their position. But Samus has friends in the Federation, ironically in Other M Anthony would be her Paladin to vouch that she deserves a voice.. Buuuuuuuuut as of Metroid Dread, it seems like that debate never needed to happen. The Federation likely already weeded out the splinter factions and Samus can go on her merry way.
@derrickhaggard
@derrickhaggard Год назад
I loved this ending especially since Chris put Tolwyn in his place.
@Phlebas
@Phlebas 7 лет назад
And 10% of the assembly thought, "ehh, I still want to start a war for no reason" after all that. Which, sadly, seems kind of realistic.
@tetsuyatsurugi9250
@tetsuyatsurugi9250 2 года назад
Well it is realistic. Tolwyn ‘s philosophy still,exists in real live
@YTDeepshock
@YTDeepshock 3 года назад
Tolwyn literally went "you don't have to fire me, I quit."
@vinnyc.1265
@vinnyc.1265 2 года назад
In a fucked up way Towlyn was right: The Nephilim invaded in Wing Commander Prophecy.
@Egobyte83
@Egobyte83 4 года назад
Actually there are several variances that can lead to the same ending; I have always chosen differently on two questions here and still got the same ending. I believe the ones you absolutely need to get right are "Seize the moment", "Like BIOWEAPONS?" and "Tell them more..."
@dustman820
@dustman820 3 года назад
I know this is a year old comment I am replying to. You have to get any three of the five choices correct to get the council to vote for no war with the Border Worlds. Any less and they vote to go to war and Blair gets death by firing squad. He also gets death by FS if you choose fools rush in because Paladin will decide to "Remove that turncoat". That is called the no debate ending.
@AbelMcTalisker
@AbelMcTalisker 3 года назад
@@dustman820 There is also the "remain loyal" ending where, if you decide not to defect to the Border Worlds after you get asked the second time the game ends with Blair getting drunk in a bar after being discharged from the service and watching Tolwyn launch his war on a vid.
@CornholioDK
@CornholioDK 6 лет назад
wing commander 3 and 4 10/10 games.. like really.. its that good.
@error4v0r47
@error4v0r47 Год назад
Can’t believe this game really used real video, but a lot of scenes. Separate scenes for each scene. This had to be grueling work.
@bouvond
@bouvond 10 лет назад
One of the best games EVER, next to WC3
@fluxmuldar
@fluxmuldar 3 года назад
Great sequence. Blair is basically goading Tolwyn into revealing his monstrous personal philosophy to the Senate. Which if you think about it, is basically American Imperialism in a nutshell.
@earthwolf82
@earthwolf82 6 лет назад
This is actually kind of relevant today.
@espeonfan8426
@espeonfan8426 9 лет назад
I always did find it funny at how the truth finally comes out about Tolwyn and yet 10% of the council still votes for war.
@SirCraigius
@SirCraigius 7 лет назад
And if you screw up convincing them, 10% still vote for peace :p
@dawyrm1
@dawyrm1 2 года назад
There will always be warmongers and people who profit from conflict. Those 10% probably represent them :)
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan Год назад
War profiteers probably
@anubis19801
@anubis19801 Год назад
Late responding, but I have a feeling those 10% who still voted yes were Tolwyns' co-conspirators who stood to benefit in some way from the war. After all, he wouldn't have been able to secure the resources and financing for such a large scale operation all on his own without at least a few like-minded backers at the very top of the Confed hierarchy.
@LightStreak567
@LightStreak567 10 лет назад
I've only played the first Wing Commander on the SNES before, but I have to say that WC4 is officially my top favorite.
@thegreenreaper6660
@thegreenreaper6660 4 года назад
Try the F2P Wing Commander Saga! Its an epic story during WC-3 Heart of the Tiger, but told from a different perspective, on a different carrier on the Front. FS-2 engine. Runs stable, maybe lacks the famous ingame cutscenes, but they did a really good job on this! ITs F2P as its a community-development. I'd highly recommend it!
@nielnielsen4822
@nielnielsen4822 9 лет назад
Hang in there Tolwyn.
@thecoyotespeaks9649
@thecoyotespeaks9649 6 лет назад
He was a tremendous director on this game, so why did the film suck so bad. This was true FMV greatness.
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 4 года назад
Not given a lot of money, and when all your spacefights have to be done with CG still half in the toddler stages(unless you're ILM), vs gameplay.....
@sgtsnokeem1139
@sgtsnokeem1139 Год назад
​@@JnEricsonx turns out CR knows how to surround himself with good people. On his own he's a hack. Just look at SC
@JefferyAClark
@JefferyAClark Год назад
@@sgtsnokeem1139 I wouldn't say he's a "hack" but he's like George Lucas - a good storyteller and has skill in getting the right people around him when he's not unnecessarily constrained by budgets and timelines. Part of the reason the WC movie sucked was that they blew half their budget on casting Freddie Prinze Jr. and Matthew Lillard at the heights of their film careers so they didn't have the money to do other things that it needed, like better CG.
@sgtsnokeem1139
@sgtsnokeem1139 Год назад
@@JefferyAClark the writing also sucked
@sgtsnokeem1139
@sgtsnokeem1139 Год назад
@@JefferyAClark oh... and Lucas finished what he started ;)
@CapnChryssalid
@CapnChryssalid 11 лет назад
Very much a classic. One of the best games I've ever had the pleasure of playing.
@joshgellis3292
@joshgellis3292 2 года назад
Wing Commander is one of the BEST AND UTTERLY ORIGINAL games EVER!
@M4nw1thnoname9
@M4nw1thnoname9 3 года назад
9:06 "at this moment, he realized, he flunked up"
@longle5997
@longle5997 8 лет назад
Amazing moment in cinematic gaming
@williamnixon3994
@williamnixon3994 7 лет назад
Damn, Tolwyn hanging himself was actually... quite saddening, I have seen nothing on this and seeing the man's life just fall apart around him with one conversation and yet me still being able to piece together what he did spoke of this game's story. Not a good way to go for the man who had such hopes but no morals though
@SteveChisnall
@SteveChisnall 7 лет назад
Tolwyn most-likely came to the realization that his intended plans would have probably driven humanity to the very extinction he so viscerally feared.
@willcardona7712
@willcardona7712 2 года назад
When he said that mankind had become lost and confused since the end of the Kilrathi War, I think he was really talking about himself. Tolwyn couldn't seem to live without war. Without it, he lost his life's purpose. His suicide was the inevitable end of a man that never learned to live.
@invidofinp1828
@invidofinp1828 Год назад
@@willcardona7712 You're not wrong. Even the Kilrathi respected Towlens ability at war even if he was a "lesser being" to them.
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan Год назад
@@willcardona7712 If only he waited until Prophecy, he could've had his war
@caelestigladii
@caelestigladii Год назад
From enthusiastic youth to war hero to the engineer of earth’s survival, only to become a war criminal.
@Tigerman1138
@Tigerman1138 8 лет назад
I have always felt Towlwyn's speaking is the next conflict, who protect us, what will happen...was the reason WC V was called... "Prophecy."
@theymusthatetesla3186
@theymusthatetesla3186 7 лет назад
....never thought of that!
@yanava
@yanava 5 лет назад
And you are absolutely correct
@thegreenreaper6660
@thegreenreaper6660 4 года назад
Nice thought, but the Prophecy is explained in the game's intro: 'During the times of the ancient ones, Sivar himself, appeared in a vision, to the first Prophetess of Kilrah. His words are recorded in the Tome of Sivar: "There shall come a time when one who has the Heart of a Kilrathi, but is not Kilrathi-born, shall reign cleansing fire down upon us, and K'nath'rak, a time of great Darkness, shall embrace us".
@j-frame
@j-frame 2 года назад
@@thegreenreaper6660 Sivar's "There shall come a time when one who has the Heart of a Kilrathi, but is not Kilrathi-born, shall reign cleansing fire down upon us" so it mean Blair.
@koenvandiepen7651
@koenvandiepen7651 Год назад
You never played wc V? Cause they verry verry clearly state what Prophecy they are talking about.
@Zoomer30_
@Zoomer30_ 3 года назад
The boarder worlds have fallen to a "plot", a "phantom menace" if you will.
@EarthenDam
@EarthenDam Год назад
This was such an emotional ending for me, not many games before or since were so good.
@tomrae3817
@tomrae3817 8 лет назад
Dispite everything, I still felt a little sorry for Tolwyn during that trial.
@SirCraigius
@SirCraigius 7 лет назад
Tolwyn wasn't evil. He honestly believed what he was doing was for the greater good and the survival of the species. Him ambitions were noble. It was his methods that were tragically warped. So we can pity him, even if we must condemn him.
@EmptyMan000
@EmptyMan000 7 лет назад
His ambitions were not noble. He was a warhawk in the worst ways, trying to doom mankind to a life of endless combat against some perceived enemy that isn't even there and mindless slaughter for the sake of it. A dead end disguised as good intentioned-self defense. It would be stupid to not call him evil or wrong. It would be the same as defending hyper-deadly cigarettes simply because they make you feel good for short moment.
@wargaming-u3063
@wargaming-u3063 6 лет назад
Man if you feel sorry for Tolwyn you clearly have not played the serries all the way trough. Tolwyn is like that boss that picks on you he is a massive ashole to Blair in all the games.
@CornholioDK
@CornholioDK 6 лет назад
Mankind was nearly exterminated in the kilrathi war tolwyn wanted to save mankind at any cost. he truely believed that their victory was nothing but good luck and that the next time they faced another race they would not be that lucky. we all condem him for his evil acts but he sadly did them with good intensions. not for personal gain.
@SuperNitroZ64
@SuperNitroZ64 4 года назад
This entire ending reminds me of the courtroom scene in the A Few Good Men movie, where Kaffey exposed Colonel Jessup for ordering the code red, which caused the death of Santiago.
@AlmegaOpha
@AlmegaOpha 9 лет назад
More than a movie than a game, but still one of my faves. I grew up with the originals.
@gibberconfirm166
@gibberconfirm166 8 лет назад
+Almega Opha It's a game. The missions are hard as shit. It's basically the same ratio as Mass Effect, you do missions and then you enjoy the goofy story segments.
@Tigerman1138
@Tigerman1138 7 лет назад
gibberconfirm nothing goofy here imo
@Fenris77
@Fenris77 10 лет назад
Tolwyn chosing the cowards way out!
@TheOneZytel
@TheOneZytel 9 лет назад
I love this ending out of one simple reason: Tolwyn, while a monster, understood the things of life and even thou that does not excuse him I am so frightened that I would almost follow him on his ideals. It's a frightening thought and I love this endning, how Blair just compared the who humanity to the Kilrathi. This was one of the best finales in games I have ever seen.
@EmptyMan000
@EmptyMan000 8 лет назад
+TheOneZytel He was a Social Darwinist, warmonger, and an elitist. Believing only the strong will survive when the one he viewed as the strongest died so easily. He understood life no more than any aggressive lunatic. To follow him would have been to follow a madman.
@BSE1320
@BSE1320 7 лет назад
EmptyMan000 Sounds awfully like a guy with a mustache from not too long ago, doesnt it? Even madmen with power command a presence. And if your audience is desperate...anything can happen.
@Praxographist
@Praxographist 5 лет назад
TheOneZytel Tolwyn was right. Prophecy proved him so. But his methods were fucked up.
@CornholioDK
@CornholioDK 4 года назад
I agree amazing performance by both actors
@ThatDamnDoughboy
@ThatDamnDoughboy 4 года назад
We're watching millions do it in real time.
@TheShiningEnergy
@TheShiningEnergy Год назад
4:57 This dialogue is sad, when you consider one of the endings sees you become Tolwyn, and command his black lance forces.
@LMarti13
@LMarti13 9 месяцев назад
This is insane to me because I would have bet a large amount of money that there was an ending where Mark Hammill hangs himself. In my mind I had combined this ending with the one where Mark gets executed by firing squad. Memory is an interesting thing
@snakes3425
@snakes3425 7 месяцев назад
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
@Rilian7
@Rilian7 11 лет назад
One of the best PC games ever, and the best in the series.
@earthwolf82
@earthwolf82 6 лет назад
Agreed, It's fine fighting an aggressive alien menace, but this game shows what we see today. Humanity is very capable of atrocities on itself.
@martinjrgensen8234
@martinjrgensen8234 Год назад
They acted the hell out of this scene.
@lastfreethinker6810
@lastfreethinker6810 3 года назад
Didn't realize Chris Roberts had a cameo at the trail. Fourth person testify at the trail FYI.
@UltimaKeyMaster
@UltimaKeyMaster 3 месяца назад
His reaction is so relatable considering what he became with Star Citizen. Now all of his Wing Commander fans get to echo that line against him.
@Atreus21
@Atreus21 Год назад
I get the impression that the Tolwyn trial was originally a longer sequence, and they just took pieces of it to get a quick scene done.
@GamingSpoiler
@GamingSpoiler 3 года назад
you know I wasn't fortunate enough to play this game when it was released, but I have to say I'm mind-blown by the two potential outcomes that are merely affected by your conversation. I look at much newer games such as Mass Effect (and no need to talk about the ending) and I wonder, how hard would it have been to make an ending like this one ??
@RydiasRevenge
@RydiasRevenge 3 месяца назад
In 2024, especially in the US Election, this clip needs to be shown to EVERYONE! Mark Hamill is a ROCK STAR, and you can hear his passion in this game like it really was coming from his heart!
@AceAcabras
@AceAcabras 9 лет назад
Great memories. I remember confronting him more stronger. Something where Blair accuses tolwin of duping the chamber.
@Tr1pleZero
@Tr1pleZero 9 лет назад
+Ace Acabras You can give one answer thats not designated as "the right one" I think the one you remember is the third where i chose "dance around him" the other is "confront him" or something.
@AceAcabras
@AceAcabras 9 лет назад
Confront him worked for me or at least I remember choosing that and it seemed more momentous to do so.
@Tr1pleZero
@Tr1pleZero 9 лет назад
+Ace Acabras As i have said, one or maybe two choices can be "wrong" and you will still get the good ending. Note that wrong doesnt necessarily mean bad but the other option is simply more convincing to the assembly, seeing how youre dealing with a bunch of politicians it makes sense that making a logical argument will count for more than a blunt confrontation. This is the case for several choices (make a calm argument or start yelling at him) After all you want to convince the assembly not to start a war, Tolwyns trial comes later, thats when everyone yells at him (including blair) All answers shown in the video are the "right" ones, all others are not.
@phinix250
@phinix250 8 лет назад
I honestly found it to be the only critical option was the first one. it seemed to me that once you selected 'seize the moment' you won the game all you where changing was the dialog in-between. mind you i always did the telemar system mission so one of the options was either unmarked fighters or bio weapons i think there is another option that replaces bio weapons if you miss the telemar mission.
@tinotrivino
@tinotrivino 8 лет назад
Wing Commander IV was good :D
@ElShogoso
@ElShogoso 6 лет назад
Damn this game's plot was *dark*. There's some Starcraft level shit going on here (I mean the first one of course).
@TheFiddleFaddle
@TheFiddleFaddle 10 месяцев назад
To this day, this is my all time favorite space combat sim. I miss this series so much.
@yanava
@yanava 11 лет назад
Thanks for posting this!
@AgentExeider
@AgentExeider 3 года назад
Yeah I remember being given he choice between calling him on the fighters or the bioweapons, the choice seemed obvious, bioweapons is something humanity would not be kosher with no matter the situation. I mean I think there was a consideration of bioweapons during the Kilrathi war and even then they were like "nah, that's too far." So here it seemed the appropriate call out.
@PapaWolfGTG
@PapaWolfGTG 2 года назад
Too bad the Kats didn’t feel that way. They used bio weapons in the Locanda system (in the novel and losing track of that system in WC3) as well as similar weapons on Mylon 2, where Hawk (introduced in WC4) was from.
@SenorGato237
@SenorGato237 2 года назад
Know what's hilarious? This was posted 9 years ago, and Chris Roberts is still soliciting money for Star Citizen.
@Tr1pleZero
@Tr1pleZero 2 года назад
Hahaha, yeah. I actually spoke about this just yesterday with some friends. It's crazy. Current projected release date is 2027 lmao. I originally uploaded this when I replayed Wing Commander 4 after the SC kickstarter and noticed nobody ever uploaded the full ending. Ive been debating removing the advertisement in the past but I decided to leave it for posterity.
@SenorGato237
@SenorGato237 2 года назад
@@Tr1pleZero Yeah, the scope creep is sad. I guess that's what happens when the studio is run by devs and not business folk. Hopefully we'll get a good game out of it one day, because the WC series is one my favorites.
@TheDutchGhost
@TheDutchGhost Год назад
@@Tr1pleZero I can't believe that I paid money for this more than ten years ago as I really wanted to play the single player game. From time to time I forget I actually funded this until I get an occasional update. It did teach me something about funding kickstarters. Back then I thought it would result in the games I really wanted to see but were not make because marketing told the CEOs that it wouldn't sell "because this genre is currently popular", and some other nonsense since. Well that optimism went down quickly.
@stefanjevtic7175
@stefanjevtic7175 Год назад
​​@@Tr1pleZero sorry, where did you hear that the projected release date is 2027?
@VulpisFoxfire
@VulpisFoxfire Год назад
@@Tr1pleZero Sadly, he went off the rails with that movie, and has been going downhill since. :-/
@RydiasRevenge
@RydiasRevenge 5 месяцев назад
It's amazing how real this is nowadays with Mark Hamill vs. Former President Trump.
@Erikjust
@Erikjust 2 года назад
I will say Wing commander 4 did the right thing in terms of story. FAR TOO many games go with the Lets scale everything up, oh you fought this monster in the first game... well now you will fight and even BIGGER monster in THIS game and once its peaked. We see the whole ohh we will reset everything and now you will once again fight a monster so we can keep upping the threat. In the end its gets tiresome, i enjoy a fighting game as much as the next, but there are also great stories to tell post war. Wing Commander 4 touches upon alot of them. What do you do when you won the war? When all your soldiers come back and there isn´t enough jobs to go around for everyone. What do you do when your entire career has been build around fighting one big bad enemy. Well suddenly that enemy isn´t there anymore, the unity that once united everyone of your people in common hatred against the enemy is gone. In short what do you do as a dragon slayer when there are no more dragons left to slay? We get sort on an answer here... you invent new dragons so there will ALWAYS be more dragons to slay, you will never run out. I really wish more games would go into this kind of story show society after the big bad Poobah have been defeated. And show it realistically.
@deadspace4755
@deadspace4755 4 месяца назад
Can you give more details on everything you said? l am interested in watching the game's movie since l have missed this masterpiece
@Erikjust
@Erikjust 4 месяца назад
@@deadspace4755 Just watch the game movie.
@richallenxbox1976
@richallenxbox1976 9 лет назад
One of the few PC games I ever completed, although I did cheat and use the in game invulnerability cheat for the missions.
@pilotamurorei
@pilotamurorei 5 лет назад
doesnt matter, getting the story perfect is more important.
@Jinx1349
@Jinx1349 3 года назад
Why the game was piss easy, but a good game none the less.
@richallenxbox1976
@richallenxbox1976 3 года назад
@@pilotamurorei Yeah and I got both endings, the good and the bad.
@antonius9
@antonius9 9 месяцев назад
Me too on all fronts.
@Universal_exports87
@Universal_exports87 6 месяцев назад
We really need a new Wing Commander.
@xensan76
@xensan76 Год назад
Whoa, Tolwyn channeling the Dark Forest theory even before it was written!
@DerpyPenguin4747
@DerpyPenguin4747 9 лет назад
now I'm interested in seeing the "bad ending"
@Tigerman1138
@Tigerman1138 6 лет назад
trekie4747 It is on RU-vid
@phillipchappell6013
@phillipchappell6013 10 дней назад
I think one thing that I could never understand he spent forty years fighting the Kilrathi, he should been forced to retire. But that either there or here still would follow him into battle. But smiled when i saw him hanging.
@Zobbtuna
@Zobbtuna 3 года назад
I loved the banshee best ship in the wing commander series imo
@Warblefly41
@Warblefly41 8 лет назад
Well, with war between Confed and the Border Worlds averted, the Jedi Order can begin to grow again, and humanity can now focus on the true threat - the First Order. May the Force be with you, and this will be continued in Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens!
@RamrodAI
@RamrodAI 7 лет назад
Don't forget that the One Ring was destroyed and Middle Earth is at peace now!
@RedAgainstMachine
@RedAgainstMachine 6 лет назад
The universe has gone through a lot, but no one was prepared for the blunder of the new trilogy.
@TheReal704Champ
@TheReal704Champ Год назад
I never beat this game because my 4th CD-ROM (of 6 total discs) had some error so I couldn't get past that.
@hirodaigo6640
@hirodaigo6640 2 года назад
#LukeSkywalker #MarkHamill
@dennismckown4951
@dennismckown4951 2 года назад
although some people seek prefection, i think imprefection is better. it gives you the choice of imagination and pretending is good for the soul. if you don't laugh at the world, it will eventually drag you down. if we didn't have imagination or pretending, none of this good and silly movies would be around. it would be a world like that movie: Big Brother is watching you. scary thought.
@kettch777
@kettch777 6 месяцев назад
He should never have been allowed to disgrace the uniform by dying in it.
@snakes3425
@snakes3425 7 месяцев назад
Blair: A long time ago, I fought against a madman who saw himself as a god. I'd die before allowing Earth to become like the Empire.
@TehJumpingJawa
@TehJumpingJawa Год назад
@10:43 is that Chris Roberts acting? Anyone know what it is he's saying?!? 🤔
@Tr1pleZero
@Tr1pleZero Год назад
That is indeed Chris Roberts and he says "And I couldn't go on"
@ThatDamnDoughboy
@ThatDamnDoughboy 4 месяца назад
"And I couldn't go on!"
@mk2mister2
@mk2mister2 10 лет назад
Hmm. Interesting. They refer to him as senator in this, while Blair actually ends up becoming admiral. Was there another version of the game?
@Tr1pleZero
@Tr1pleZero 10 лет назад
Paladin is the Senator, Blair is never adressed as admiral. Hes a Colonel.
@danixdefcon5
@danixdefcon5 10 лет назад
Tr1pleZero He does end up being an admiral, but that's in the "Dark Side" ending, which you get if you take some bad decisions during the campaign (specifically, choosing to use the FlashPak against the SuperBase or following mostly Hawk's path instead of Panther's.)
@Tr1pleZero
@Tr1pleZero 10 лет назад
danixdefcon5 Thats true, its the shit ending though ;-)
@RichXbox360
@RichXbox360 10 лет назад
He's a Commodore in Prophecy (the proper rank, not a crap 80s computer)
@PrincessUndertaker
@PrincessUndertaker 5 лет назад
I always get this Ending when I play :)
@raymondyee2008
@raymondyee2008 6 месяцев назад
11:43 and this is how it should have really ended for COL. Blair being an instructor just like how it was for Maverick in “Top Gun” (at least until “Top Gun Maverick”).
@beng7845
@beng7845 4 дня назад
4 was my favorite in the series for sure
@pekkis80
@pekkis80 6 лет назад
Tolwyn was right.
@davidvangerner7241
@davidvangerner7241 6 месяцев назад
I think the fighting scenes during the tribunal would be the black lance forces being hunted down by the confed and the border worlds
@gillespage5489
@gillespage5489 Год назад
That was quite the era of gaming.
@alexl7213
@alexl7213 Год назад
An amazing game. Wrecked two joysticks playing it.
@Maniac742
@Maniac742 Год назад
I don't know if this is really the "good" ending or just the happy go lucky one. The "Hawk" ending where Blair is an admiral is still technically a "good" ending, it just has a more ominous tone to it.
@Tr1pleZero
@Tr1pleZero Год назад
It's been a long time but iirc he replaces Tolwyn in that ending and takes over his little secret police force. I think they also talk about some pretty evil stuff in that cutscene ? But yeah, I guess it isnt technically bad, but pretty sad especially in contrast with this one.
@Maniac742
@Maniac742 Год назад
@@Tr1pleZero Wish someone had the video for that.
@RockmanX3
@RockmanX3 2 месяца назад
whats the song called when the intrepid is seen at the end when the banshees are taking off?
@j-frame
@j-frame Месяц назад
Confed did lose their war again the pilgrims. The pilgrims return to earth from the andromeda galaxy if Pilgrim Truth is canon.
@TornadoADV
@TornadoADV 5 лет назад
Christ Roberts couldn't go on!
@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252
@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 3 месяца назад
Tolwyn is going home in a box.
@2XLTruther
@2XLTruther 13 дней назад
This was cool. Never played the games. Tolwyn has big Colonel Jessup/Adrian Veidt vibes.
@andytay5507
@andytay5507 Год назад
Sure this isn't Sliders?😉
@The8OJ4N
@The8OJ4N Год назад
Wing Commander IV: Tolwyn you're so crazy. Wing Commander V: Damn, Tolwyn was right. Also: Tolwyn got Epsteined.
@pfcthomasblackhawk1100
@pfcthomasblackhawk1100 5 лет назад
Great video game Great Movie......
@lutfimakarim8258
@lutfimakarim8258 Год назад
Actually, if Tolwyn got his way, it would be like Halo.
@ianminto6315
@ianminto6315 7 месяцев назад
Credit to all these actors/actresses ❤️
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