Winners & Losers of the 2022 Farnborough Airshow 

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As travelers, we need Airbus, Boeing and all of the other manufacturers to do well. Should any of them fail, it will reduce competition, which ultimately hurts innovation.

Disappointed we didn’t see get to see Boris Johnson parachute into the show :(

Aircraft manufactures can make their new jets spacious and comfortable, but it's all made pointless when carriers who buy the planes will outfit the interior to maximize profit over passenger comfort.

I don’t think Airbus was a loser honestly - they’ve been racking up some incredible deals post-covid while Boeing had remained stagnant. Their two largest “issues” right now (from a sales perspective) is that their A320 family backlog is at like ~6 years right now! As a result, their aircraft are also demanding a premium price (especially the more capable ones like the XLR.) I’m assuming Boeing practically gave away the MAX-10s to delta honestly - this deal HAD to happen for PR reasons, and didn’t really make a whole lot of sense for Delta honestly. As I mentioned above, a likely reason for it is simply unreasonably long delivery slots vs. Boeing - then again, the A321 NEO would have also commanded quite the price premium over the 737-10. Even with the 100 737s, Airbus still handily owns the market. I will say that they probably would have liked to secure some more widebody orders, but oh well. I would call the 777X a loser btw, it’s incurring unbelievable delays for an aircraft which was supposed to be an “easy” upgrade - at this point it has lost a ton of momentum. It’s becoming clear that it will likely be far more successful as a freighter, though Airbus threw a wrench into that with the announcement of the A350F a while ago - it’s odd that customers have a competing option moving forward, as Boeing has just automatically owned the marked historically. For now, I think Airbus is tapped out. If they can’t build planes faster, they’re likely not going to be able to sell them (A320 lines.) It’s a good problem to have, but certainly makes shows like this frustrating for them from a PR-perspective.

Glad to see Embraer on this list. They make some great planes!!

I think it’s safe to say that this has been Boeing’s Airshow. They have scored such huge deals during the 2022 Farnborough Airshow. To be honest, I was expecting Airbus so also rack up some sizable orders as well, but at least they still got good deals. I’m also pretty happy for Embraer as their E-Jet E2 program is finally getting some good orders. Overall, it’s nice to see healthy competition in the Aviation Industry.

I love the winners / losers, keep making these videos!

This channel is a recent find for me, and I've felt compelled to watch a sizable number of your videos (I also subbed). You make very good content, a sublime mix of beautiful visuals with very interesting information. Finally, I think these airshow rundowns are also a worthy addition to your content and recommend you cover them in the future.

I'm really disappointed that Airbus is configuring the A350 for 10 abreast in economy. One of the biggest reasons why the flying public dislikes the 787 is that airlines are configuring their airplanes for 9 abreast (economy) when it was initially designed for 8 abreast. I've flown on JAL's 787 with 8 abreast in economy, and it was one of the best flying experiences I had in economy although I'm not sure If JAL jumped on the bandwagon and went for 9 abreast economy. I've flown in AA's 777 with 10 abreast economy and it was bad! With the A350 and its narrower cabin (compared to the 777), one can imagine how miserable a flight (with 10 abreast) will be.

Seriously I like your videos a lot and will also say this channel has really taught me a lot. Eagerly waiting for your future videos.

I feel that the 777X should have been in the Loser category, further delays beyond 2025 could have serious implications for the programme!

Great video! Looking forward to the 797 vid next week :)

Awesome video Coby. Thanks for the info and updates!

I was eagerly waiting for this video. Thankyou Coby!

Definitely love this format. Keep it up!

First time I’ve seen this channel and it was a great video! I really like hearing about the business wrangling within the industry

love this much better than all the smaller updates!

This format is very interesting and I like it!

Great content as always Coby! Can't wait for the 797 video.

Bravissimo maestro Coby! Your video is sweet music to my ears, excellent presentation. 😀

Thanks for the wrap up although I found it somewhat skewed in favour of Boeing, Airbus continues to dominate, Boeing is enjoying some localised hype with beleaguered products being reintroduced while Airbus’ consistent excellence is less exciting. I totally agree on the Chinese program, it would be fair to say China is less showy than the west but I did expect to see something on the long awaited nation mover. Absolutely delighted for Embraer, as good as A220 is E2 deserved much more attention than it got so it’s good to see it finally being recognised for how remarkable it is.

This has become my favorite aviation channel. Keep it up Coby!

Love your explanation. Thank you!

Had a feeling the 10-abreast A350 was inevitable. Once the 777 did it, you know the A350 would as well. Big let down there.

LOVE the format !

Excellent report ... Thank you ...

Love this format, pls make more!

Excellent video Coby. Very clear and objective. Best wishes to you.

Great article. Thanks for your coverage.

I have nothing to correct you on!! Coby your segments flow nicely...great visuals and I discover helpful facts. Your personality of "going positive" is refreshing considering the choices. I look forward to your 797 update! Thank you for your many hours putting these together for us!

Thorough and nice to see. Do you do one like this for the military side?

the a330 neo is my favourite plane by looks

777X seems like a winner as well. Can’t wait to see airlines like Cargolux with the freighter variant

It's a pleasure to watch and listen to your videos; such clear, concise narration. Keep up the good work!

I think Airbus can not be seen as a „loser“ simply for the reason that Airbus is so much more and Airbus heicopters and Airbus Defence had some huge wins during the air show. Also, I do strongly believe, That boeing although it is recovering will Fall behind Airbus in the next years, as they have to First Balance out all the loss and Bad reputation from the 737max series and therefore will not be abel to participate in crucial Research to more enviromentally friendly flying giving Airbus a head Start.

I think air india a350 order is the game changer winner in the Farnborough airshow

Hi Cody, I like these airshow episodes because they are a good way to give a general survey of the current state of the indiustry. I was wondering if you can offer an overview of airline/airport staffing and when/if it will work itself out.

What about the 777X? That's such a gorgeous aircraft, and I was looking forward to flying on it one day. I never hear anything about it anymore

Great video, stuff I never knew I needed to know. 🇨🇦

How heavily discounted were the 737 Max and 787 for Boeing to pick up sales after the horrendous flaws they encountered? I mean, it has to be a big gamble for the airlines with public confidence in Boeing having hit rock bottom!

The Max-10 situation is quite precarious though since Boeing has recently threatened to Axe it. This has to do that if it isn't certified before the end of this year, A big Cockpit modification will have to be implemented. This would mean that the Max-10 loses a lot of commonality with other 737's and would mean costly retraining for Airlines.

Great video once again thanks heaps Mate 👍

Love all your videos keep up the great work. Every video you make is a must watch for true aviators. You've been a very credible source of aviation news

Excellent, thanks for sharing this information…

Really well done, lots of detail, 'insider information' and yet quick and succinct, thanks!

Im Impressed Cody. 100k Subs and routinely fetching 2x’s, 3x’s, 4x’s, that. Whatever you’re doing - Keep doing that :D

Thanks for bringing the results.

Loved the video. Very interesting. You did it well.

Enjoyed your air show coverage. Thanks.

I would like to watch the Dubai Airshow winner's and losers, but I can't seem to find it on your channel.

Loved the video! Thank you

There is so much transatlantic travel that when i was trying to go from Philadelphia to new york the other day we spent more time on the ground in traffic with 787s then in the air

Very interesting news in both major manufacturers airplanes. Stuff I had no idea about that I’m interested in

Nice overview. Thanks!

I wouldn't say 10-abreast 350 is a bad news for either Airbus or the airlines, though. Currently 359 has but slightly fewer seats than similar sized 78J, hence having poorer seat cost. 35K on the other hand both burns and carries significantly less than 779, so neither can easily undercut each other. With 10-abreast however 359 can match or exceed 78J in terms of seat count, while closing the capacity gap with 779. In both cases 350 would not only have advantage in range, but also in cost. That would be welcomed by some potential 350 users and Airbus in sales campaign. Do note that 350 uses 1.5" armrests instead of standard 2" from day 1. Airbus can therefore widen the cabin by just ~4" to claim 10-abreast at 17", despite current A350 is 10" narrower than 77W in terms of cabin. It still means the seats would be more cramped than the 77W though.

Small tiny problem: that delta order is for the MAX 10, the same plane that can’t pass certification most likely and that the CEO threatened to cancel.

Excellent presentation, Coby.

2:50 Interesting that you called Embraer a winner here. I had them penciled in as a "loser" this year, especially the E2.

Another great video

I flown on a 3-4-3 economy class 777-300ER with EVA Air once, definitely not recommended because it was too tight. Same with 3-4-3 on a 747-400. Airlines should have look at JAL where they do 2-4-2 economy and it was so much better for passenger comfort.

Thank you Delta!

great video

Yeah man, I love this kind of video!

Re: A350 XWB - nobody is _forcing_ airlines to adopt 10 abreast seating in the economy. Heck, they don't even have to _have_ economy section, if they recon that's how they will earn more. This has nothing to do with the aircraft, and everything to do with airline business model.

I’m sure all the Boeing lovers are looking forward to the next video made by you.

Always love the Farnburrow Airshow 😁

Another excellent job Sir.

Nice information

Well one thing must remind,777 is design as 10 seat in a row not 9, this is Cathay Pacific request Boeing to do that during working together program,(in order to fit the similar configuration to their 747 ).However Cathay didn't take this design on their delivery, but they did it eventually in more later years

Thank you for sharing..

Excellent!!!

Never heard of a “chief a350” or other pilot. What do they do? Great video! Would like to see more air show coverage.

I was hoping the 777x would be a winner but when it wasn't, I was nervous it would be a loser. That 90 degree bank it did at the airshow was insane. I live and work in Seattle and from where I work in the city I saw it, and the 737 max-10 too, doing flight tests all through the week before the airshow. Yesterday I saw it coming back from the airshow on its final approach to Boeing's Seattle facility where it and another are parked.

Always love your videos but I've also noticed the fantastic footage you use, do you create your own?

9:30 I'd swear I've seen those fuselages before - on BNSF railcars passing through Ephrata Washington. (well, ok, not those specific ones - but Boeing DOES ship 737 fuselages that way for some weird reason).

Great all in one video going over everything. So much better than DJ’s Aviation who just made a bunch of boring short videos over the course of the show

Bravo. Muy buen análisis.

Coby, I’m enough of an airplane geek to enjoy your videos, but I don’t keep up enough with the business side of the industry to really understand what goes on at the big air shows like Farnborough or Paris; I’m assuming that’s it’s not all about fans like me gawking at the static displays and flight demonstrations like the typical air shows held at military bases and smaller airports in the US. Could you recommend a link to a video (yours or someone you follow) so I can learn more about what’s happening at these big shows?

I banned 777 10 abreast years ago. If A350 goes this way, they too will be banned. An A320 or 737 seat is more comfortable. If the cost of premium economy wasnt 2.5 to 3x economy I would do that but on the London to Australia routes, that's the price of upgrade. As the A350 will be used as long haul, this would be a disgrace and an insult to passengers. Crossed arms and shoulders with snoring, dribbling passengers in the next seat is disgusting.

Nice video bro. As someone from the UK I can tell you Farnborough is actually pronounced as "Farnbra", wierd but that's the English way 😃

I love these type of videos!!!

Can you explain how both the e2 and 777x can compete with clean sheet aircraft that seem to outperform them on most metrics?

Please do more!

Hey Coby! I was wondering if you could post some MSFS videos, like you landing at your airport in the 737 for example. Thanks!

Surprised that you didn’t mention the fact that the MAX 10 might not get certified before the end of the year, meaning that they would have to remodel & recert’ the cockpit, or even can the project altogether

Well played, Boeing. Now, it's Airbus time. Thanks, Coby.

I'm glad Embraer had a somewhat good show, with all the rules and codes that make their introduction of E2's in US is a bummer, but Porter picking them over the 220 was a jolt!

Porter gave up on the a220 because Toronto city centre airport needed to be expanded but the city struck it down and I guess in the time since airbus bought the program they’ve had a change of heart.

impressive news from Boeing now i'm really awaiting for the Airbus commercials too

Comac wants to open up the European market, now you know what it's doing about the almost 300 A320 orders

when’s the next major air show like this? and when?

Porter Airlines was founded in 2006. Hardly an "upstart".

It’s “Farn-Bruh” … and yes, please keep making these!

the XWB being 6 inches wider in the body, across 9 seats, does not sound like it goes a long way in improving comfort. that's less than 1 inches more per seat, assuming the aisles are kept the same width. Does it really make it that much better?

Would have helped that the weather was 100F+. Much easier to be optimistic, buy some planes and enjoy hospitality when its that hot. In England!!! Another win for Embraer was a test landing of E195 at LCY. LCY is almost Embraer only so big win for Embraer airlines to land there for certification. Its not a sale, but helps saleability.

informative!

WOOO! Good for Boeing. I hope they don't have any production issues like they had with the triple-7.

I still enjoy this Format

As you said in a different video, the main operators of the A350 are some of the best in the world, who kept 9 abreast on the 777, so most a350s will probably have 3-3-3