WinWing Main Instrument Panel (MIP) Hardware Review 

Looks like a great bit of kit

Great review as always RedKite. Despite the push buttons feeling like they came off an 80s calculator, it’s hard to find fault with the Top Gun MIP. With the extra MFD buttons, and the addition of the Take Off and Combat panels, you can pretty much fly without a mouse. It’s a real game changer. Well done WinWing.

Man I just love who smoothly spoken you are in your videos... I just watch just to watch..... Also your topics are spot on... touching the setup in VR and comparing lineup and scale was important and clever!

Made the framework myself using the winwing online construction guide. It was extra rewarding that way and about €100 cheaper. Winwing now have an Australian, Canadian and European store aswell so no more problems with taxes and shipping. The mfd goes for €52 each and the ufc for €182. No extra costs. I just love it. Since I fly vr i just gotta find a good way to line up my virtual hands with my real ones so things align better. Any tips are welcome! (Now got ultraleap motion kit, but that is too limited in alignment).

Definitely tempting...it's a fabulous piece of kit.

Thank you for your reviewing, it's informative and attractive.

Yay! The review I was waiting for! I love that you answered the most important question about them. "Yes, you can play Doom on it." 😂😂😂

Looks spectacular!

Holy Molly, that is awesome! If you had showed me this video as a kid, I couldn't have waited to get old haha :D

Very well reviewed

I own the full kit too. After some fine tuning I got everything working in simapppro. I had to rotate the sceens into portrait mode though cause they were all being displayed sideways. I am hoping simapppro is compatable with dcsbios which i use to make my other f-18 simpit equipment work.

On the left and right side of the panels between the buttons those black bumps are actually buttons as well.

Really getting into your channel!

Thanks RedKite, really great review as always. So good in fact, that even though I already have 3 Cougar MFDs and 3 Cubesim DDI's under them, after watching your review I'm now seriously interested in these, whereas before I was going to take a hard pass ;). Love your work mate

For anyone wondering, the generic name for the rail mounts is called 80/20. (Sometimes just called t-slotted rails of your buying off of McMaster.) There's a bunch of different sites that sell their own variety of them in multiple styles. The stuff isn't necessarily cheap, but I can guarantee it's cheaper than buying pre-cut kits advertized as being specifically for joysticks and the like. The one thing you'll need if your buying the longer stock rails, however, is a bandsaw. That's the easier method imo. Aluminum is super soft though, so something like a tablesaw or similar should also work just fine without having to buy any special blades, provided you're not frequently cutting aluminum.

Good job. Although mostly just a summary, it's much more helpful than the GR review :)

good video

So cool! I can hardly wait until affordable home augmented reality goggles (where you see your real hands and physical cockpit) and see the simulated scene outside the cockpit are available. Having affordable cockpit hardware like this sure seems like a step along the way. (And I would love to buy an affordable augmented reality system that is turnkey! I.e. spend more time flying and less time integrating hardware/optimizing my rig.)

I ordered mine earlier this week. Showed up at my door in TX in less than 4 days. HOping to find a comfortable solution with my 2nd hand Next Level Racing F-GT pit. leg room will be tight.

very nice video

Excellent review. First time i heard about enableling more that 32 buttons per input on BMS. I always thought that it was fixed to 32 buttons. It´s great to know that for my buttons box that i´m building using Arduino. I will need to do some tests.🤔

That's it. Firstborn is toast!!

For the gloss finish you could add some matt sticky plastic I suppose, like a screen cover for a mobile. Perhaps that liquid stuff?

I would love to see something like this adapted for Star Citizen, particularly for ppl that love to fly fighter escorts, they look amazing :)

Even if you're using VR, entering waypoint and JDAM PP coordinates with this is going to be a breeze

VR has paid for itself 😊

Man, I'm developing a nervous twitch while waiting for my MIP. Here's to hoping (as i lift my Vodka martini) they develop a HUD and perhaps some steam gauges. Jeez, how badass would that be? I would probably need some Depends, or cloth diapers, 'cause I wouldn't leave my chair/Hornet.

OMG I Must Have it!!!

Very nice piece of hardware indeed, pitty it's 1000$ for most of us… XDD

I want it so badly lol, but then I'll have no where to put my keyboard with how big it is

Thanks Kite! Do you know if the winwing's Super Libra extended center mount fits with this installation? Can the extended stick still move all the way forward?

Was considering buying the MFD w. screen for my f16 or f14 flying. Would that make sense?

Do you have the full dimensions from left to right total of all the panels? Also, from the desk to the top of the middle panel? There doesn't seem to be any dimensions on their website, which is weird...thanks!

I know the usb c 5 volt on the display is optional but if used what does it do?? don't want to try it and kill my display panel, I just finished setting up the Top Gun kit today.

I really hope Winwing will make an F-16 UFC and an A-10 throttle grip.

I really love the F-18 UFC module but for some reason I'm not able to get the readings on the hardware itself.😢

The winwing trailer of this show a f16 attachment for center console and I don't find it anywhere else. I was curious about it because f16 is my favorite plane

Ordered the Phoenix version, didn't feel like all of the controls without the screens was too bad of a deal for sub $500

Grabbed one and it’s great. However for Australia, due to the way WinWing send it, add another $280 to the price for import and handling fees.

What did u use to put them together im getting the next level racing rig do u think its pissible.

@redkite - mine is on the way. Im told the DDI's can line up with the UFC like in IRL in DCS. is that the case? thx

I just recvd mine.. The units are great - but sim app pro is giving me a warm time.. The section where you configure the MFDs... There are 6 steps on the left side pane. Steps 1 and 2 checks "green".. Step 3 where you need to validate DCS world, user path and options.lua. These are "green" but the 3rd step still shows "red"... If I manually progress to step 4 - where you select the screens.. The MFDs are not present.. Only my triple screen monitors are available. When using the sim app pro under "MFDs.. Both my triple screens and DDIs show an ID number... Which tells me that they work.. Its just I can't get this software to cooperate... Very frustrating...

WinWing is really kicking ass lately!!! This is some seriously cool kit!!!!!! Hows the FPS hit?

So to be clear, the 3 mode switch on the MFD only switches between three sets of physical buttons and dials and does not change the display to match? So that means you get 80 extra unlabeled buttons?

wow

Hello, I have a question, I have 2 monitors and most of the time I watch RU-vid videos while playing DCS. And recently I bought the Topgun MIP and did all the settings for it, but now every time I start the game the monitor on the right side just turns off. Do you have a solution for this?

Great video. Just curious how much of a FPS hit you took after installing?

Just watched again and can't figure out what the 'control panels' (with green lights), which are left of the WinWing Orion 2 F-18 throttle, are. Does anyone have any ideas, as to what those panels are, and who they're made by? A good camera view of them is at 4:25. Thanks for any help, you guys!

They should just make a complete cockpit like dlight deck solutions

I don't fly the Hornet, but I would be very interested in an F-16 version. Are they making one?

Will the UFC work nicely together with Thrustmaster Cougars? I already got those with handmade display behind it. I'm curious if the UFC responds if you change something with the Cougar MFD's

Hi, could you explain me how do you connect mfd screens to your pc please ? Hdmi câbles ? So you need 4 hdmi inputs in the pc ? One for the main screen and one for each mfd screens ? Thank you for your answer !

Is there a mean to export the F16 rwr on those screen or is it limited to the left/right mfd?

Does all this work with VR enabled? I only use VR with passthrough view

Hello, is there a tutorial anywhere about using these with Falcon BMS as you mentioned in the video? Thanks!

Cannot afford the full setup - question - is it worth purchasing the UFC/HUD panel alone? You commented how they are integrated well together and I see that. Is one piece just not the same without the entire setup? Would mean a mix of mouse to cockpit button and the physical UFC... not sure it's worth it in long run. Thoughts?

Really awesome and quality products by all indications. Only problem with this is that VR is impo the way to go for flight sims. In my experience on my own home built cockpit however the lack of viable hand tracking or even better, affordable mixed reality headset, operating UFC and MFD's is just not satisfying or effective. Yes you CAN perhaps manage to some extend with tactile markers pasted on buttons but still takes to long to get to the correct button by touch only. Main switches like landing gear flaps and some other is easy to work blind but not the UFC and MFD's so much...So really hope we get a good mixed reality headset for the consumer soon.

So... this is designed for the F-18... but F-16 simmers just need to "sorta-kinda" use it? Is it actually similar to an F-16 panel? (total noob here) Also, how does this intergrate with mixed reality VR? I only really want physical panels etc that would be constantly in use in the game. Which are those in the F-16? Thanks!

Is there a actual screen with the product?

Thanks for showing your VR hands in comparison to the cockpit, guess they didn't get it perfect which is unfortunate.

i love mine

I'm going for a VR build, so the displays would be wasted on me. I would however like the UFC, though I would like something that would work across modules. The TM cougars work well for me in VR.

How well does this work on star citizen

A lot of us already have (expensive) sim gear. I asked Winwing if they thought about compatibility with Monstertech or Virpil or another brand who also have a center desk mount for the joystick. Their reaction: "we recommend WinWing products". I understand the reaction a little, but their market is the serious simmer. You would expect them to make sure their product also services VKB, thustmaster or Virpil users?

i would of preferred to see a mount or pieces to allow you to connect it all together in one package

is this working in Microsoft flightsimulator 2020

Buys Panels for a Plane First try if Doom is playable

now if i could only use this and my VR headset at the same time

All I wanna know is if this will work with a game like Arma3. Cause it could make life much easier

3:02 - Try Windows Power Toys window snapping to make this more bareable.

You mentioned something about some DDI controls are tied to the UFC or the other way around. Can the UFC be used with the standard TM Cougars? Looked to me like you were doing a majority of the UFC functions right on the UFC or am I missing something?

I’m probably going to get just the ufc and one mfd because I already have a thrustmaster set of two and I’ve seen set ups where people just use a 24inch monitor and put their mfd’s on their with three separate windows

Very nice gear, the price however is too steep imho. Great review!

how'd you get 6 monitors. do you have 2 video cards. most video cards will only render 4 screens max I've ready that the computer has to support DP Alt mode. Mine does not, so worried that usb monitors won't work for me. Asus ROG Strix B550F

does it work in dcs multiplayer?

Can you upgrade a phoenix to a top gun MIP easily?

F-16 version pls

Using a side mfd instead of the bottom display for the mirage radar is heresy

I ordered one. I'll have to msg them to see why they don't have support with their app for the a-10. Reason I went with this set is because of the app and not having to deal with scripts as I'm not familiar. But after hearing what you had to do does worry me a little.

Wish I could afford these.. :/ Sucks being poor

How'd you get it to work with the A-10 @2:03?

Man I am glad this stuff exists, but at $825 holy cow. One day for sure, just not today.. Haha

Oh my lord look at the cables :(

Win wing main panel mpl

Hi! I see you were using all the cockpit in a table. Was it comfortable to have all of that in front of you? Was it blocking your view to the monitor? Also It seems your monitor it's a 24" or so and it seems you are really far away from it, so I was wondering you you had any problem identifying planes far away or something like that

Redkite. Do you have any trouble pairing the winwing hotas with the thrust master pedals . I keep loosing my pedals connection. Well it’s still connected and recognize by my computer, but for some reason, they stop working on DCS? I wonder if the winwing software has something to do with this?

Cheaper getting the best home cockpit i.e. a vr headset lol

How does this work with the new Pure Scripts setting that ED have decided that we all needed?

Is there a way to combine this while center mounting a monstertech desk mount for the stick ?

Is it possible to use those joystick/bezel with other games? I assume the USB instantiates as an HID, but how can my custom game know what button was pressed?

Is there any known replacement for the contact pads. esp those with texture to refine locating the center buttons in VR use case?

First thought "Chinese will copy and make it cheaper". Wait ...

Anzac 5 seconds ago Hi Redkite. Thank you for this. I have my MPI all set up. And working fine. But one really annoying issue that seems to involve how Win 11 handles attached USB monitors. I set up the orientation (portrait) and placement of the 3 USB DDI screens in the Display Settings in relation to the main screen I’m using (LG 48 Ultragear 4K gaming monitor), apply it, synch in the SinApp Pro dashboard, and activate the DDIs. All good. BUT every time I restart the computer, it changes the display settings of my USB monitors, changing them back to landscape and placing them alongside my main monitor, not underneath it where I arranged it. In short, Win 11 Display Settings will NOT remember the previous display arrangements. Every time I start the computer, I must rearrange this USB monitors again. Extremely annoy8 g and I cannot find a solution on the web. Did you also have this problem? Any idea on how to fix? Thank you.

do they have one for the fighting falcon?

One day when I'm rich...

I just want to share my experience with this company. I have spent at least 40 hours disassembling, repairing, replacing parts and putting back the product again after spending months battling with customer service. I received a product that was not working properly in may 2022, and now after 8 months they let me know that it will actually break company policy to replace the faulty product. Any faulty product. So yes, I agree the products they deliver are decent value, and we need/want these kinds of products to support our flight sim hobby, but just be aware that if anything is wrong with the product, you could end up having to spend months waiting for parts sent from China, chat with customer service that can barely speak english, having to create video of what's wrong with the hardware and send to them, and then having to fix everything yourself. I am still waiting for them to send me a new circuit board for the Orion 2 throttle base that I will have to replace myself, and it's been 8 months of back and forth.

My concern is customs...ill probably pay a lot to import this

Has anyone heard if WinWing are going to make "dumbed down" versions of the F/A-18-UFC Unit1 and F/A-18-HUD Unit1, without the displays and illumination, for 100% VR use?

All these fancy add on's for flight sim and yet we still have no proper force feedback.. Which BTW is 10000X more important then having MFD's

#WinWing should make a F16 set of panels, this aircraft is gonna become more popular soon, but not many are interested in the old F/A18