A lot of disney movies lately have good ideas that are just executed poorly. Like Raya and the Last Dragon. Great worldbuilding and concept and then...it falls apart due to the annoying and overly cute-ified dragon and the whole "trust soneone who backstabbed you" message that feels so forced.
@@dracodracarys2339what also ruins it is how they put a bunch of southeast asian cultures into a blender and then marketed themselves as being the big southeast asian princess representation💀
@@dracodracarys2339 even Frozen is, they shouldn't have removed Elsa as a villain... Or even the song where Anna wants Elsa to force herself back in hiding, which gave an explanation to her attacking Anna, and not telling her about the troll things with a cure...
@@eeveefennecfox I think completely different people work on the shows and the movies, and some of the tv shows definitely have good villains. But the Disney animation studio does not.
The concept of the movie had an evil royal couple and a romance between Asha and the Star who had a male form. An awesome concept I can think of is the King and Queen were both evil and Asha is their daughter so she grew up thinking that stealing wishes is the right thing. Then the Star boy comes and has to help teach her the right way. What if you made the Star have to help her learn in order to be able to go back to the stars after. I’m on the verge of writing and designing that story myself
I don’t know where you guys are hearing about the romance between Asha and the Star from. The original concept says that Asha’s grandfather is dead and the Star is implied to be him in his younger form. So unless y’all want Asha to be in a romance with her dead grandfather…
@@loveandwar007that’s one version. Also the song At All Cost was obviously a scrapped love song. The demo even has the words love you but the movie changes it to promise
PLEASE DO THAT CONCEPT ART LOOKED SO COOL. Now im genuinely pissed we didn’t get that version!! It would’ve been amazing & a staple in Disneys catalogue for sure!
We were robbed. What would’ve worked more was if the king and queen were both evil and Asha was their daughter. Then Asha would’ve grown up thinking that keeping the wishes was the right thing and star boy had to help show her the right way. Also it would add a lot more to Asha’s character by standing against her parents since for all the other Disney princesses with evil parents they’re always stepparents (Lady Tremaine, Evil Queen, and Gothel). So the fact that a princesses actual parents are evil would’ve been so cool
i think for that to work you need to change magnifico much more and change his evil doing, right now what he does is not really evil, its actually a good thing not granting every wish
@@magicalowl4322 oh definitely. I would make Magnifico the sympathetic villain. I would go more into his backstory and I would make him someone who is paranoid and is so focused with keeping everyone safe
The realization of Disney hiring pop song writers in order to artificially recreate the radio success of Encanto's music was the final nail in Wish's coffin
really shows that the execs had literally no understanding of what made the songs in Encanto so popular - We Don't Talk about Bruno for example is a complex and well written music peace (a madrigal functionally) with lyrics written by a PROFESSIONAL who knew how it was important to the story, and actually had quite a but of say in the story if I remember correctly
@@BloodInTheStrawberries I've heard Wish's songs described as "If you told A.I. to try to write in the style of Lin-Manuel Miranda" or "ChatGPT LMM" which...yeah.
They really should have gone with actual professional show tune writers instead of random songwriters that have only really made pop tunes. Seriously since this is supposed to be a tribute movie WHY didn’t they bring songwriters that have GOOD EXPERIENCE with producing musical tunes on board with it.
@@JohnSmith-og1xq women being never depicted in a negative light, or at least being more redeemable and almost never the ''ultimate evil'' is sadly a trend for some reason. As a woman myself, i've always liked female villains more. I just love some unapologetically evil girlboss. IDK why.
@@AFUniversCatdude for real. Like Helga (I think that was her name) from Atlantis. I loved her, I wanted to look like her. She was so cool! And an evil queen?! They could’ve had a a cool moment where Asha doesn’t know the queen is in on it and she ends up as a fun twist villain (for asha since we would know)
I don't trust Disney to make a villain couple, really. I'd adore the idea of two gloriously unrepentant antagonists but in genuine devotion to each other but Disney is definitely gonna botch that concept and play it like Harley Quinn and Joker or something in an attempt at "empowerment", whatever it means to Disney nowadays.
Imagine having a movie dedicated to Disney's 100th anniversary as a studio fumble this hard with its potential. The short that aired a month ago that had every Disney character under the sun show up felt more like a genuine love letter to the studio honestly
The 'Once Upon a Studio' animated short originally was going to play in front of 'Wish'. Disney made that decision to drop it and just give us 'Wish' as stand-alone.
It honestly seems like quite a ample celebration of what Disney has become, a studio whose movie successes seem to happen now in-spite of their corporate presence instead of because of it.
I once heard someone say the main villain of this movie was almost an allegory for Disney itself. Only ever going with the safest and most mundane ideas while also acting under appreciated despite being plastered everywhere.
That someone is 100% right Disney has fallen off harddddd, in the past even if you didn’t care for the story the visuals & songs were enjoyable. Playing it safe seems to always be the wrong move when it comes to movies
it’s also hilariously ironic since it seems if they’d gone full villain with magnifico, they would have still been parodying the disney execs, who probably thought it hit too close to home and told the writers to tone it down
The guy who built a safe kingdom and wisely chooses which wishes to grant sounds more like a wise old man who takes time to actually decide which ones would help the most people…sounds like the good guy to me.
Well, he took everyones ambitions away and basically makes it a lottery of who will get their wish granted and he keeps lots of good wishes because he thinks they might be dangerous without actually checking if they might be dangerous. And he goes completely off the rails the second he feels his power might be threatened.
@@kattheartist978 …Not from the examples the movie provides until he “turns Hans.” “Actually checking?” Bruv, the movie made its magic rules so convoluted and contradictory that the certainty that Magnifico _refuses_ to “danger check” the wishes _period_ seems like character assassination to me in order to rationalize the sudden juxtaposition to outright villain. The guy made an entire kingdom where he grants _other people’s_ wishes _for free._ The only point of conflict was the aspect that wishes get sucked out so people forget them. But I digress. TL;DR: Magnifico got character assassinated in his own film (much like Hans) because he really didn’t take anything that people weren’t offering anyways. And then he suddenly goes full-on “Nobody likes me” in a capital of adoring denizens and “I need more arbitrary power to defeat something that I’m not sure what” like he isn’t already basically Genie.
I think what would've made the film work a LOT better is if Asha was ALREADY the King's apprentice. From there, you could easily have throwbacks that are actually woven into the plot. We don't know WHY he's interviewing for an apprentice, so why not just skip that and have her BE the apprentice? Then her quirkiness and awkwardness would have a reason to exist like with Anna and Rapunzel; she wants to impress her master. Then in a clever homage to The Sorcerer's Apprentice which is what got Mickey back into good graces with the audience after going to HIS roots of being mischievous THAT is when Asha finds out about the other hidden wishes. That sets the plot into motion as well. She needs to free the wishes from the King but no one believes her because the King has SHOWN to be granting wishes. It would be a good take on the twist villain too; because it would be a nice callback to Coco as well as Big Hero 6. In that whatever evil deed he did to GET into power to ensure no one else could get hurt is already done. The twist already happened. It's about exposing him. With the callback to Big Hero 6, like with Callaghan we get a sympathetic backstory, but no redeeming qualities. The King isn't sorry for being this extreme because he feels he's right, just as Callaghan didn't feel an OUNCE of remorse for Tadashi's death. Then in a callback to Treasure Planet, you could have the betrayal aspect as well, with Asha looking up to the King as a second father figure, only for him to show his true colors as Silver did to Jim. You could also callback to films as far back as Snow White with Asha being a bit meek like Snow herself, kind and sympathetic, yet as the movie goes on, she becomes independent like Ariel, a spitfire like Jasmine, inspirational like Rapunzel. She even falls in love with the wishing star like how other previous princesses actually had a nice romance. The recipe was there. The ingredients were there. It just...needed some fine tuning.
The thing is Callahan wasn’t liked as a villain, people just wanted a standard Disney villain with no twist, Asha falling in love with a star would be dumb and not every movie needs to have romance just look at encanto, her being the king’s apprentice for a while only for then to figure it out wouldn’t work that well since then it would make her seem dumb until she finds out, and the movie doesn’t need to have all the stuff as the other princesses especially since people complain the movie is already similar to the others.
Yeah a lot of these 'bombs' lately feel like they had maybe....'first draft syndrome'? It feels like they had a story that could work but they powered on way too fast without really sorting it out to make it more than the idea.
@@KirbyStarAnimation you say not every movie needs a romance but we haven't gotten an ACTUAL romance plot since Tangled. And I mean where the ROMANCE is CENTER STAGE. That was back in 2010. Over a decade ago. Frozen doesn't count because Anna and Kristoff's THING is kind of in the background. You don't even know it's a romance until the whole "anna is dying" thing happens. I think Asha falling in love WITH the star would have one been another good callback to Princess and the Frog where Ray fell in love with a literal star. And the star being a shape-shifter like Morph would then learn what it MEANS to follow your dreams thus having a much better solid groundwork for the message. The message that's there, is "keep wishing, keep dreaming" and that's FINE but if they had had stakes to that, it would've landed better.
@@borochifox Which is kinda wild as the Disney Renaissance films were released every year too just like they are now. The longest wait would've been at most two years between Aladdin 1992 and The Lion King 1994. Even in the early 2000s they had films out every year too. A lot of misses like now though, but some bangers there too. I can't believe RT has Wish at a 50% which is worse than HOME ON THE RANGE. You're telling me HOME ON THE RANGE is BETTER than WISH?! Nah.
My main complaint with Magnifico is they wanted to have it both ways-for him to be both a completely irredeemable sinister villain harkening back to classic Disney AND a relatable tragic backstory villain who thinks he’s doing the right thing like with their more modern stories. That’s why his transformation to full villain seems so sudden-because they wrote him to be two completely opposite things and he has to switch over from one to the other before the runtime is up lol.
I agree with what you said in the video it was probably because of the wife character. I wish they kept the concept of her being evil too, I want evil power couple!!
I was about to reference Clay Puppington, before realizing even HE doesn't match what Disney was trying to go for; partly because he's just far better-written, and partly because of the types of villains you mentioned, where Clay only checks off a few boxes of either category.
@gamehero6816 That’s not really a fair comparison though. Clay Puppington had three whole seasons of a show to flesh out his character with, while Disney villains only have one movie.
Writing tragic, well-intentioned villains who are also completely irredeemable is difficult, but doable. Pucci from JJBA has a traumatic backstory that left his mind extremely vulnerable to manipulation from another villain, ultimately leading to his belief that he could save mankind from the kind of trauma he endured. This results in him manipulating countless innocents, callously disregarding tons of wounded people at the scenes of carnage he was responsible for (by the way this guy is a priest), and causing the deaths of thousands of people who he views as sacrifices for him to save the rest of humanity. His personality is determined but selfish, thinking that any setbacks he faces are just trials he must overcome in order to grow and complete his goals, and despite his backstory being really messed up no excuses are made for his present behavior and it’s made very clear that what he thinks is best for humanity is ONLY what’s best for his traumatized mind. So despite his belief that he has good intentions, he really is evil and looks down on everyone but himself and his mentor.
I refuse to believe that the villain was always meant to be a straightforward, evil villain. He had all the set up for being your standard “good intentions that were lost along the way“ bad guy before someone said “hey, Disney fans miss the fun, evil, bad guys“ and then they changed his outcome without altering the set up
Originally he was written to be a vain, younger character and this song is the last remnant of that characterisation before they went within being a semi-tragic villain. It makes a lot more sense written from the perspective of somebody who only does the bare minimum but expects everyone to love him and gets mad when someone questions him even once and was just looking for an excuse to go ham, versus the paranoid mess who has trouble connecting to people on a personal level because they usually want something from him and is so terrified of losing everything again that he clutches too tight, causing him to see danger in every corner and he turns to forbidden magic out of genuine desperation.
Honestly I wished they didnt have a villain. It would have been cooler and way more interesting if Magnifico was a misunderstood good intention twist hero. While Asha was a naive headstrong unintentional antagonist or even simply another hero that made a huge mistake and has to learn a huge lesson regarding her mistake.
Like how not every wish should or even could be granted. That some wishes should not be granted, by allowing all wishes to be granted Asha causes a large amount of chaos. So much chaos that she needs to go to Magnifico for help to stop all the chaos she caused, and along the way learns a lot of life lessons and good morales from the older wiser King Magnifico regarding wishes, and honestly life in general. I really wish they did that instead of what they actually decided to do. So dissapointing. So much lost potential and interesting concepts.
If I recall, his wife was also originally meant to be a bad guy along with him, and the art depicted the wife as being an obviously straightforward, evil villain.
@@PinkPanther45518 I would have loved to have seen Asha "overthrow" Magnifico and he leaves because "well screw you guys," only for Asha's "utopia" come crashing down around her ears because of what you suggested, careless wishgranting. Asha being in over her head, has to swallow her pride and go find the exiled Magnifico and beg him to come back, conceding he was right, she was wrong. Magnifico agrees to come back and fix everything, but Asha has to become his apprentice and learn how to properly use the wish granting magic and understand why certain wishes can't be granted etc.
I think shiny gets more respect than “this is the thanks I get” because it strikes the perfect balance between cheery and sinister. Shiny never quite lets you forget that Tamatoa is stronger than both of these characters and is trying to kill both of them. Meanwhile Magnífico sounds like a self centered ineffective blowhard, not a major villain who could and would kill somebody. Gaston’s song works because it’s mostly sung to him, not by him, and he’s just a guy with influence, not the magic wielding king of an entire nation. When Gaston sings a reprise of the song for himself, it’s a lot more serious and less goofy. And he also gets an even more serious and sinister song later on when he raises up the crowd to kill the beast, while Magnífico doesn’t get one like this. His second song is literally a love song.
That’s a very good point. Tamatoa may be singing a ridiculous song about how sparkly and fabulous he is, but at the same time he’s gleefully beating the ever-loving shit out of a demigod like he’s playing with a scrap of food. The stark contrast in tone makes him more threatening. Whereas Magnifico is just having a tantrum in his room. He just comes off as whiny.
@@WhitePaintbrush Also tamatoa’s goofiness is contrasted against the horrific things he’s saying. He starts by feeling a teenage girl who said she’s a fan of her “When your grandmother told you to follow your dreams and be yourself she lied to you because appearances are all that matters.” and then tries to eat her alive. Then he tells Maui “All that time you spent chasing validation from humans will be for nothing because you’re not strong enough to stop me and are going to die in this cave.”
@josh I would argue its worse than making him into a blowhard. The line about no rent turns him from a possible villain into a shockingly effective hero king so competent as to run a kingdom without rent, aka literally impossible without magic.
Asha’s personality baffles me, I really wanted to her to be a bookworm but she went to a 12 with the quirky instead 😭 doesn’t she want to be an apprentice to a powerful sorcerer??? Make her studious
Well it's almost like Disney can't write a main (usually female) character unless they're 500/10 with the quirkiness. I feel like we haven't seen an elegant, serene, studious or headstrong female lead in a very very long time. It's like the quirkiness is all they have going for them to hold the audiences' attention and anything besides that would be "dry" or whatever they're thinking.
I didn't watch the movie but if this is true then it's a shame. She could be both bookworm and smart, and a little bit quirky and having a struggle with socializing (because she spends too much time with books and very little with people. And it could be motivated due to her loss of father). She could be for example quiet and socially anxious, and during the story she could learn how to overcome it.
@@lihann_ I blame social media like tiktok, studios think that kids cant sit still for long enough periods of time without constant hyperactive movement. They also wrongly think that "adorkable" sells (I mean it does, but people are getting tired of it) so they make every protagonists a hyperactive gliter rocket with a million facial expressions and "quirky" personalities, because they don't want kids getting bored while also making a profit on toy sales of said hyperactive characters. Would be my guess anyway, give me down to earth studious, sporty/enthusiastic, nerdy protagonists. Quriky is just so boring, literally can't tell Rapunzel and Mirabel apart outside of their "race" because of how quirky they are. -_-
@@BrightWulph you mean like the superhero genre, still trying to milk that T_T, but i think rapunzel is quirky done right, mirabel is a bit annoying, i wanted so see more of her siblings
Supposedly what was the ORIGINAL plan was a stylised documentary on the writing of When You Wish Upon A Star, but around 2019-2021 they hired a tonne of people who looked at the plot and said “no let’s just play it extremely safe and make it extremely basic. That way, it’ll definitely do well!” Part of me wants to believe the reason why they did that is because their most recent films haven’t been doing well but who knows
Giving Asha SEVEN friends we are supposed to care about is such an obviously bad idea. Just have Dahlia, and then the other 6 appear in one scene as a one-off joke/reference. No spoilers but when that one friend was apologizing to Asha and we are supposed to be touched by it, no one was touched because they and Asha had barely even said two words to each other!!
They’re not even that enjoyable and memorable like the seven dwarves or the Madrigals. Those were massive character groups, but, like at least they were fun and interesting even as individual characters, and made sense to be that big
@@ButterFlyGardenBlossom Exactly; ‘has allergies’ or ‘is happy’ are not compelling characters in 2023. The Madrigals also had the advantage of being the only supporting characters in Encanto and are also integral to the plot, so we see them a lot and can also spend time with all of them at once since they’re a family. Asha’s time had to be split a million different ways, from her sidekicks to her family to her friend group
@@ButterFlyGardenBlossomHonestly, a better idea would be to have Simon probably be a castle worker who looked up to Asha (Keeping in line with the scrapped concept of Asha being Magnifico's daughter/long-time apprentice) so when he does betray her, it gives it some weight because he feels like he betrayed his hero for no reason other than himself. Or have HIM be the only main sidekick friend a la Vanelope, so the weight of betraying your friend feels WORSE.
4:01 The reason why both Shiny and Gaston work is not only do they have a reason to be upbeat and catchy but when you look at the lyrics there's a much sinister side to them, while This Is The Thanks I Get just sounds petty Gaston's song is sung after Belle rejects his proposal, instead of telling him what he did was wrong and he should respect Belle's wishes, LeFou and the other villagers shower him with praise not once does anyone call him out for his behaviour, which not only feeds into his ego, but makes him believe that HE deserves Belle which results in him trying to blackmail Belle into marry him by having her father locked up. When you think about it its incredibly messed up that no one sees what Gaston is doing is wrong and because of their blind love for him they unintentionally made Gaston into more of a monster As for Shiny while at the start the song is about Tamatoa's vanity as soon as he sees Maui, it basically turns to Tamatoa roasting the crap out of him and he does not hold back, using Maui's past and longing for the feeling to be wanted to strike where it hurts.The song also serves as a foil to How Far I'll go, while that song is about self-acceptance, Shiny mocks that idea and focuses on surface level beauty At first glance these songs seem similar to This Is The Thanks I Get, but when you look deeper there's a lot more depth to them, while being catchy as well as finding a way to progress the story
Thanks for saying this, I’d wanted to say something about it too. It’s not that it’s upbeat, it’s just petty and the lyrics a lot of the time are off with what’s happening in the story. Had it been more sinister, like Magnifico being on the verge of snapping the entire song, I think it could work, but it doesn’t really work as it is and doesn’t help the story to progress like Gaston or Shiny did.
I totally agree with Shiny, but I think that Gaston's song is also just as petty in lyrics. The thing is that by that moment Gaston still wasn't a threatening villain and thus his moments were more lighthearted and comical. It's the Mob Song that truly is Gaston's villain song in my opinion being much darker in tone and lyrics. King Magnifico didn't have a darker reprise or a more sinister second song.
@@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115 Gaston's song (and Be Prepared) actually tells you about the character, things you might have suspected but didn't confirm until that point near the START of the movie. Most of what "This is the Thanks I Get" tells you is stuff you've already heard Magnifico say through the first half / two-thirds of the movie, so it's being petty without being enlightening. It, and most of the songs in Wish, break one of the most important rules that separate good musicals from bad or mediocre musicals -- the song should move the plot forward or enlighten you about a character, it should not be a break in the plot. Things just come to a standstill in most of Wish's songs, and you kindof just have to sit and listen to it, then the movie starts moving again when the song is done.
Also Gaston's song style still fit with the rest of the movie. It was upbeat, but it sounded just like a narcissist idiot who thinks he deserves everything, and the rhythm flows with the movie and environment. Shiny is also upbeat and flashy because that's who the crab is, and he's confident he's enjoying his victory and that fact that he can torment Maui They're not the angry ruler that feels cheated and disrespected that Magnifico was meant to be. Magnifico is meant to be angry, Gaston and the Crab dude are not. The upbeat lyrics don't work with someone who genuinely feel like he's been wronged
The problem with Magnifico's song isn't just that it's upbeat. It's that it's upbeat AND IT'S BLAND. It sounds like department store music. Yes, "Gaston" and "Shiny" are both upbeat, but they both have a ton of character to them. "Gaston" is basically a bar song where Gaston's drinking in the town's adoration, and "Shiny" is Tamatoa basking in his own self-adoration in such a hammy, over-the-top way that you just can't help but love watching him. Plus, "Shiny" still has sinister undertones despite being upbeat, due to the heroes being in danger during the song. And Gaston gets a second villain song later in the movie which is much more sinister than "Gaston".
Exactly! Magnifico’s song has no menace to it. Gaston: the guy’s being encouraged to go and do awful things, and he later leads Kill The Beat. Shiny: Everyone there is still about to die, and things HAPPEN. Magnifico…complains?
I think it would have been okay if the first part of the song was upbeat and chill, but the evil bridge happened sooner / had more build-up, then have the menace remain for the rest of the song (not return back to the doo-doo-doo's).
THANK YOU for calling out the style of this movie and recognizing it isn't actually hybrid but just a shader. It seems many people fall for it, and as an animator it makes me cringe inside a little whenever it happens. Listen, it would've been AWESOME on paper - what a better way to celebrate Disney's animation trajectory than using both 2D AND 3D at the same time? - but they chose the laziest possible way of doing it and hoped to profit off the style's recent popularity without understanding what made it so attractive and revolutionary in the first place.
Not an animator, I just draw. But I keep looking at the scene when Asha and Valentino jump in the aater to swim back to Rosas and the aater doesn't move 🥲
I'm part of the crowd that thinks that Magnifico's song is too upbeat, and I think you approached the reason why when you said none of the songs feel like they were written for the movie and more as individual songs for the billboard. Gaston's works because it's the entire town hyping him up as their hero before we (or they) see just how far he will go to get what he wants. "Shiny" works as a David Bowie homage because Tomatoa is a pompous narcissist who's trying to convince the characters how great he is, and that still gave us the dignity of a minor key when he starts getting more malicious. "This is the Thanks I Get" doesn't really fit in with those two story-wise. The King feels betrayed and threatened, and he's abbout to use this motivation as an excuse to turn to the dark side, more or less. I'm not expecting "Hellfire" or anything, but such an important point in the story feels like a WEIRD place to put "Do-Do-Dum-Dum" in a major key.
That’s because the writers are pop song writers with zero musical theatre experience. They don’t know how to write songs that fit within a story. They write songs that stand on their own which is the last thing you should do when writing a musical. Disney has forgotten that the reason their 90s songs are so popular is because those movies were written to be animated musicals
@@august1837 The writers for the soundtrack got hired just because they worked and wrote for a few of the late-2000s/early-2010s Disney pop stars/actresses.
@@august1837 Yeah, Alan Menken started as a Broadway composer, let's not forget that. So the movies WERE written as Broadway musicals, which is also why they translated so well into actual Broadway musicals later. Stephen Schwartz as well who wrote the soundtrack for "Prince of Egypt." is a Broadway composer first and went on to compose. "Wicked." so... yeah... Guys... There are plenty of banger Broadway composers out there, and they come in all skin colors and genders, a huge number of them are even gay. You can have a great composer who ALSO ticks your box's and understands storytelling through song.
It feels like to me Disney only knows how to write women in two ways. "Quirky adorkable jokester" and "Cold, emotionless and strong." Getting old at this point. Edit: Let me rephrase, I mean modern disney animation studio, so like Tangled onward in movies.
Exactly, what happened to the magic of the original Disney princesses personalities? You don’t have to be “cold and independent” to be a strong woman, and you don’t always have to be “quirky and clumsy” to be cute and lovable. I wish they would understand that and listen to their audience.
@@alf513 Seems like it. There were also a ton of layoffs around the time, according to Twitter user Allymation who was production management on the film
Executives who think are better than the creators are seriously getting under my skin way more than back then, I wish someone were there to them to STFU and let these talented artists and storytellers do their magic.
@@mintyaquagreen1675 It’s the reason why I developed a burning hatred towards executives because I remember reading a LOT of art books on animated films and live action movies, and seeing how many missed opportunities that they didn’t use because they said it was “shit.” More like they’re shit, am I right?
In all these talks about Wish I feel like no one is acknowledging how much of an amazing tribute Enchanted was to the Disney legacy while still being about to tell an original story
To everyone out there, just watch Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. It handles the premise of magical wishes SO much better. And it pulls off the 2D/3D hybrid better, too. Same goes for Spiderverse.
When I first listened to the Wish soundtrack I was baffled by why it left me feeling so empty, and I realised that the writers don't understand why characters in musicals sing. Wish prioritises spectacle and impressively high vocals over story and depth. I don't love musicals because "oh they sing well". I love them because they use music to ENHANCE the emotion of a scene and DRIVE the story, it's the equivalent of a Shakespeare soliloquy or monologue, the characters should be so overcome with emotion they start to sing not just randomly break into song, this is the biggest misconception around musicals and the fact Disney, once the innovator of animated musicals, a household name and inspired so many people got this so badly wrong is just disheartening.
It’s like what Sideways calls The Ashman Model: Two characters in a musical talk until the emotions become so big that they start singing, and when the emotions become too big for singing, they start dancing. Pop artists don’t deliver that
Is it just me or did the Miraculous movie pull off a better Disney musical than Wish did? I mean, it wasn’t perfect, the pacing was weird in places and Marinette got way too many solo ballads, but it felt more like Disney than this film did and pulled off its villain better.
@@AI7428while true, it cost almost half that for Illumination to make Mario I think Across the Spiderverse and The Last Wish also cost less to make(purely to make, not adding advertising) So even by animation standards, this is expensive
For how much money they ‘invest’ into these, I can’t help but wonder if that’s also for marketing instead of just for the production. If we’re getting stuff like this, where does all the money actually go? Is this a laundering/embezzling scheme now?
During the trailers i was pretty sure that queen Amaya would be the actual villain that controlled her husband using his narcissism against him. Like he was the muscle and she was the brain evil mastermind.
To me, Wish is emblematic of the feeling that Disney has pretty much abandoned its own animation studio-the studio that made the company what it is today. Nowadays, Disney only seems to care about Marvel and Star Wars, while its animated projects linger in the background, given only the bare minimum attention and paraded out unceremoniously as if by obligation. It's a shame to see what this company has become. I've loved Disney passionately ever since I was a child, but it just isn't what it used to be. I can't remember the last time I was actually excited to see an animated Disney movie, and that hurts me. And no, the company's problem isn't wokeness-it's corporate greed and insecurity.
@@Anayoth The kind of "wokeness" you're referring to isn't real. It's a shallow, empty facsimile of socially progressive values tailored to pander to a broadly liberal audience. The people who are making these so-called "woke" decisions at Disney and other companies? I've got news that may shock you, buddy. Most of it isn't coming from the left-wing writers or artists. It's coming from the RIGHT-wing executives and CEO's who want to present a facade of progressivism because it lures in more customers. Being woke isn't about making white characters black or turning men gay or making women macho girlbosses. This idea of wokeness you've been fed is a lie. You want an example of an actually woke movie? Go watch Barbie. The problem isn't wokeness-wokeness is good. The problem is all the corporations that bastardize it and turn it into the cringe phony progressivism that people think of when they hear the term "woke."
@@princessthyemisBut...being woke isn't the issue. Read: Barbie Movie. Wokest movie that ever woke of 2023. The problem is as the op stated, lack of care & attention to the quality of the writing & production and executive intervention.
@@AnayothIt’s not an issue because “wokeness” isn’t even a thing. It’s just a term racist, insecure people (mostly men) use to describe something they’re not familiar with. Disney has ALWAYS been progressive. That’s not the problem here.
Asha being the clichéd "so quirky and adorkable!1!" girl, Valentino the stupid, deep-voice, DreamWorks smirk, comic-relief animal sidekick, and marketable Super Mario's Luma rip-off wishing star were signs that this movie isn't gonna be good.
Guy feels under appreciated because people expect him to do *everything* for them, instead of what is best, and people complaining the paradise he *personally crafted from nothing* doesn’t give them *more* with zero effort.
Damn it Disney. You make it so hard to defend you, you make it so hard to try to believe in you, you make it so hard for me to have anything positive to say about you.
@@A.DAsscheeks Oh I know your type, the type of person on the internet who is never satisfied with anything new because they're too busy being stuck in the past.
@@SR.PlayAlot64 Thats completely wrong tbh. I just hate how "new" is getting more and more ridiculous. Everything "new" stopped being good after elemental, and thats not rlly saying a lot because the movie was good and the marketing was the only thing that sucked. Keep in mind that I also wasn't alive-alive when half the movies that people are comparing Wish to were made.
My problem with Wish’s animation is it doesn’t look stylised. It just looks like someone put a filter over it. It’s like one of the alternate levels in Crash 4 where it has a different filter over the level, and calling that a different art style despite just changing how the colours look but keeping the character designs and world design the same Spider verse, puss in boots 2 and TMNT MM look like different styles. Wish just look like a Snapchat filter
I wouldn't say the animation is stylized, its still generic Disney animation through and through. The art style used however does have that cell shaded look that definitely sets it apart which is sorta nice, but the animation is still as overdone as ever. Sorta like the video game equivalent to the discussion between graphics and art style. When people say "the graphics are bad", they usually mean the art style. Some of the best games visually have very unremarkable simplistic graphics, but they have an incredible art style. It seems like thats what Disney did here, they didn't wanna have to completely reinvent their animation, so they "slapped a filter on it" like you said with a new art style. Of course I play games more so my knowledge on how animations/graphics look in that field, maybe Disney is animating differently here but if they are... Man it's not noticeable at all.
To be fair spiderverse had massive frame rate difference so looked kinda gross during a few scenes like the chase and second spot fight, mutant mayhem also had a few frame rate issues but they weren’t as bad, and the last wish was actually great with only one or two animation errors. Also people would’ve said Disney was copying dreamworks,Sony, and Nickelodeon even though they kinda copied blue sky’s peanuts animation style.
The thing that gets me about the villain song is that if sounds like a millennial ( or ai, allegedly ) trying to write a song they think the gen z and alpha kids would like. With lines like, “I’m here if you need to vent”, “are you sure you’re not the prob?”, “peep the name”, it all sounds like a, “how do you do fellow kids?” Moment.
I don’t know what would be worse: that Disney used ai to write the song or that an actual human wrote this and its so bland and generic that people thought a machine made it
Was anyone else kind of disturbed with how they handled Magnifico? Like, he’s clearly suffering from great trauma that’s driving his actions, but the film acts like he‘s just one of those classic irredeemable villains and then they decide to wash their hands of any questions about him by going “oooh if you use dark magic once then you’re enslaved to it forever”. It’d be like if Encanto opened with Dos Oroguitas but then in the climax Abuela gets crushed by the house falling apart and paralysed from the waist down and everyone was all “Good riddance, you hag, we never needed you!”.
agreed why bother insinuating he has a backstory to do nothing with it. Same with ashas dad like was there any point in her referencing him when the only thing we know is he liked stars?
@@nvfury13 NUH uh! alma madrigal had to watch her husband die whilst fleeing her home after just having triplets! She also didn’t realize she was harming the family magnifico definitely knew what he was doing and took pride in it! not even comparable
@@lilac3266 She purposely mistreated her future seeing son, and encouraged the same “he saw it, he caused it” attitude in everyone else, almost disowned her daughters for the guys they choose, then treated her granddaughters like crap in different ways; watching that movie, all I could think is how nasty and horrible a person she was.
@@nvfury13 am I crazy or is none of that mentioned in the movie ? She didn’t purposely do anything? the whole reason of the climax is no of ever spoke up mirabel was the first one to do so. Alma didn’t know how the family felt because they never told her. What you failed to mention is as soon as she realizes how she’s been she vows to change and apologizes and owns up for her actions. Something magnifico never did or never tried to do
Imagine how much more interesting the movie would have been if Asha was Magnifico's daughter, making her an actual princess and giving their relationship a lot more depth. That alone would have improved the story immensely. Also would have explained how Asha can summon a star (if everyone is stardust why didn't everyone get stars coming down for them), she had her dad's magic, and why Asha was so determined to be the one to fix her dad's mistakes.
@@aidanbarnes4290 I'd do it if I had the money and resources. Unfortunately, it the people in hollywood that are the ones with those things and they keep making the worst decisions. TONS of people could do a better job than current day Disney. The animatics that have been made based on the movie already show that.
It's been a shame to see how bad Disney has been doing lately, even outside of animation, but the company itself definitely rested on its laurels for a long time and with a near monopoly of entertainment, I'm not exactly shedding tears over them being outdone and losing money. It's a shame this celebratory movie doesn't really seem to have that much worth celebrating about itself.
Not to mention how they treated newer properties like The Owl House that were actually fitting with vibe of their older works and were well received by fans.
Here's how I would change it: I'm stealing an idea from Saberspark and making Asha King Magnifico's daughter and Princess of Rosas. This would already set up a great conflict for Asha. Can she stand by her family and preserve their power when it's based around innocent people losing their chance at happiness? Or does she stick by what she knows is right, even if it means becoming an enemy of her parents? I would also change Asha's personality; she starts off as very introverted and shy and does whatever she's told because that's what her parents taught her a princess should be, but throughout the film, we see her become more independent and self-assured until she finally faces off with her father over his abuse of power. As for the wishing star, instead of just existing, we learn the wishing star is actually Asha's paternal grandfather. Her father's powers actually come from being the son of the Wishing Star, who had been sent to Earth to fulfill the wishes and dreams of humanity; however, Magnifico became disillusioned after seeing how people only want to use their wishes to benefit themselves and began using the wishes to increase his own magic. This had broken Wishing Star's heart, and he decided to help his granddaughter stop his son and train her to be his new successor in granting wishes. This brings us to the seven friends, they're the first people Asha decides to help. While her grandfather insists that she can use magic to solve their problems, Asha slowly realizes that while magic can be helpful, ultimately, people must make their wishes come true. Slowly, more people begin to wise up to this fact with Asha's help. Magnifico gradually loses his powers since he has been using people's wishes to fuel them for so long, with people fulfilling them themselves instead of entrusting them to him. This infuriates him, and then learning his own daughter and father are behind sends him into a complete villainous breakdown after a dark reprise of "This is the Thanks I Get," culminating in him using the Book of Forbidden Magic, a spell book created by dark fairies, he was warned never to open. Using his newfound magic, he swears to destroy all the dreams and Rosas.
I would have preferred a story more akin to sorcerer's apprentice where Asha is the kings apprentice, and decides to grant wishes he deemed to risky, and the 2 have to work together to correct those mistakes
I can understand how people find Olaf tolerable in the FIRST Frozen movie. But once Disney started making him a bunch of stupid spin-off shorts only meant to marke… I mean “entertain” preschoolers instead of educating them, as well as making him take up too much screen time in the sequel, started to honestly make him turn into the Disney equivalent to the Minions in my opinion
Olaf was actually a good character in the first one. To a level, he was much more than just a marketable comedic relief and served as an actual, deep character in his own right. Disney got almost everything right with Frozen, and almost everything wrong with Wish. Don't even ask me how they managed to do _that_.
yeah! I never really liked him. Frozen was disappointing to me, but the whole world was going nuts over it, and only NOW they're discovering it's just ok?! lol! /lh
"Did you at least TRY to call the Hades Town people???" Really got to me cause I actually thought the exact same thing lmao. A Disney soundtrack written by them would be literally life changing.
Here’s a few flaws that I haven’t seen anyone else mention (you’re all making very good points!) 1. same face syndrome, very formulaic 2. Asha is qUirKy and has anXiETy (for no reason) 3. They didn’t explain the burned tapestry at all 4. the goat sounding like an old man wasn’t exactly funny or cute and neither were his one-liners 5. the ending credits would’ve been way better had they shown art rather than a bunch of cheap nostalgic silhouettes. I personally wanted to see more of the colors, visuals and midieval-fantasy elements they had to offer
Despite Rapunzel, Anna, Moana, and Mirabel sharing similar personalities, they are very much their own characters. And it’s reasonable too: Rapunzel and Anna being isolated and Mirabel being a neglected child. And sure Moana didn’t need to be quirky, but it at least makes her funny and entertaining
@@DORAisD34D I understand the reasoning however it’s nothing more than formulaic and easily exhausting to see again and again in a lead female character. Even in 2D disney movies you can see this personality.. Like, we can have different personalities like bold and a great leader, introverted and mean, extroverted and confident, mischievous and crazy, tough and intelligent , etc there’s so much dynamics not being delivered
I have a feeling this is going to be an Emperor's New Groove situation where we find out this movie started out as something completely different. But whereas Emperor's New Groove was salvaged from a project that sounded like a mess honestly, this one will be a more promising project that got mangled by the modern Disney culture.
God, I am not gonna be prepared for a live action TENG. Assuming they even get that far. It’s not like Disney themselves consider that one a classic (cause they have bad taste!)
Do we have the original script? I know there were a couple of neat ideas floated around like Star being a shapeshifter and Magnifico and the queen both being evil, but is there like… an actual story that we have?
@@MindlessTube honestly could be the case, since Disney only hires activists now and every character in this movie plays themselves, or at least roles that they are really good at to too. Like there was no creativity whatsoever. I hated it.
@@PaulW_ftPAULK yes. Search it up. Star and Asha were supposed to have a romance since he was a magical deitando a boy that shapeshifted, did magic, created life basically a collector from the owl house lol and the couple was evil and not just the King, it was all in 2d and they had an evil cat that looked like one of the siamese twins from Lady and the Tramp.... so yes. We were robbed.
@@cartoonishidealism582 kind of, with the store art there were some things written here and there, not an actual script, but it looked better then what we got.
The executives did lay off so many artists and animators during the near end of production, that explains why the film came out half baked. Jeez, what could have been a celebration turned into a soulless experience
@@emblemblade9245 They should go on strike and refuse to come back until Wokeism is out of Disney forever and there better not be any broken promises about that or else.
I am so glad Disney didn’t go the Traditional animation route because if it did, oh god, Wish being a failure with critics and audiences would’ve killed 2D animation making a comeback.
Magnifico was actually running a pretty successful kingdom before he dabbled in dark magic. He also had some good points about granting vague wishes and running a kingdom in general. The citizens WILLINGLY gave their wishes to him, so Asha's accusation that he "stole the wishes" was a completely fabricated lie. The ending is very concerning because if all of the wishes get granted, then what about the wishes to rule and/or destroy the kingdom/world? If multiple people wish to be the "prettiest in the kingdom", then who gets their wish, who doesn't, and why? What are the rules here?
@@Hana_H Isn't that WHY the King was regulating the wishes in the first place? To make sure that bad wishes were never granted, while helping the individual forget that they made such a bad wish in the first place, so they can continue living their life without worrying about it?
I just wanna say thanks for shouting out Under the Boardwalk! A lot of my coworkers put months and years of their lives into that movie only for Paramount to shove it under the rug, and it's a decently good time! The meathead song is such a JAM.
This film felt like what Disney believed the fans wanted by crossing off a bunch of boxes on a checklist without putting much effort into any of the tasks on the list.
The fact SO MANY of us - including people like me who still liked the film fine as its own thing - are notably disappointed in this should very much be a sign to WDAS (or whoever is calling the shot for them) that their current approach to these films just isn't working and that maybe they should reassess this so they can start innovating once more and remind people why Disney Animation is the powerhouse it is. After all, Encanto was only two years ago. But I fear corporate is just gonna lay off people. Hollywood's so unfair. 😔
Yeah people act like Disney has been declining for years when it only really started almost 2 years ago. Plus it’s not like the shows haven’t been great.
@kirbystar7474 You sure? Because I would posit that it’s been declining pretty much since Ralph Breaks the Internet and that Encanto was just a blip (but honestly I don’t know how much I even like Encanto at all)
This is what Chapek does. He rushes creative people into releasing content ASAP instead of letting them do their job in their own pace. The animation studios, Marvel, Star Wars. Good effing riddance.
@AJ-xc4qe Was Iger much better? These are all strategies that he pioneered at the company. A focus on playing off of Disney's prior image, cheapened the brand through live action remakes, a focus on sequels and established IP over original films, bigger budgets, etc. The bottom line is that he's exhausted his bag of tricks and the audience has soured on him.
The problem with making a film that celebrates 100 years of Disney is that they ended up making a "greatest hits" list, not an item to add to the list.
Love that you use a song from "Twisted" in the credits, it is even better when you remember how in this show "STARKIDS" question many of the bad decicions that Disney made back then after its golden age.
If it is true that Wish was originally going to be 2D, perhaps it’s good that it wasn’t. Because you KNOW Disney would blame the lack of success on the art form and avoid doing more 2D. At least there remains a _fleeting_ hope that maybe one day they will make another good 2D film.
My biggest complaint was that I felt so much was MISSING like entire scenes were cut, let's review *No backstory on Asha's family, why her grandfather wanted to be a musician, her mother having no relevance and us not seeing what her wish was, and why her father being a philosopher was important *NO backstory for Magnifico and his wife, like what happened to their home and why Magnifico was obsessed with magic and wishes (I thought they lost family and he was angry wishes couldn't bring them back) *What was the evil force that corrupted Magnifico after he used the book? *That whiplash jumpcut of Magnifico finding Asha as the traitor with no hint that Simon ratted her out making it seem out of nowhere *Asha's friends not being developed and us not knowing what their wishes were
The only thing I can defend here is that they *did* actually explain that the friend group doesn’t have wish bubbles yet because you make your wish at 18, and none of them are 18 yet except Simon. But yes to everything else, almost nothing was explained
I mean they still probably had wishes they were going to make we could have learned about and knowing would have put more stakes on having them taken (and developed the characters a bit better)
i don't think the issue is that the villain song was too upbeat, i think it's more that the tone really didn't match the kind of conflict he was having. someone who genuinely believes they're not appreciated enough (whether it's true or not) will be frustrated, angry, jealous, etc, but none of that comes across in his song. he sounds like he's not taking his own problems that seriously, like it's just a minor annoyance at best (the lyrics def didn't help). there was a moment where it tried to be more sinister, but idk, it just wasn't enough to not fall flat. The Dismemberment Song by Blue Kid is a good example of a villain song that's upbeat but doesn't undercut the narrative.
You'd think it'd be a song about him trying to mask his own petty frustration under the guise of "I was only trying to help!" but it was missing that bite and denial that comes with it. Even when he started crushing his illusions it didn't feel particularly angry
I thought it sounded like an entitled parent wanting praise and adoration for doing the bare minimum of what a caregiver should be doing, and that futs Magnifico to a T. I adore the song and so do my kids. I agree that the movie as a whole is extremely flawed, but people are too hard on what's at worst a high B-teir villain song.
You know. I keep hearing that certain higher ups at Disney think that animation is for little children, and that no one likes it, and so they are intentionally sabotaging animated movies. With the way things are going I can pretty much believe that.
One thing I think could've been interesting to see is if Asha's friend who forgot his wish (can't remember his name), wasn't possessed by King Magnifico. If they wanted to show the dangers of handing your wish, a part of who you are, to someone else, I think it would've been more effective if they fleshed out his desire to know his wish again more. Imagine if we saw him being so desperate that he willingly would've hunted Asha down instead of being possessed. It would've made the message that we should take charge of our wishes and desires more powerful.
For a celebration of 100 years of not only making, but pioneering western animation, this film is pretty forgetable, even with all it had going for it. Great animation, bringing back an actual villain, Ariana DeBose, and they still screwed them up in some way, and several other things. Those songs actually felt AI generated. They need to start taking risks and changing up their formula, or they'll be left in the dust. I know some of us want that, but while I dislike the corporation, I still want the studio to do great things again.
My disappointments from Wish come from all of the following: (1) The songs all seem superfluous. None of them come from an emotional truth. It's just like they needed to put songs in the movie, so instead of characters having a normal conversation, they just start singing for no reason, with no emotional buildup. And this gets really silly when Asha and the seven dwarfs are hiding from the bad guy, so they start a song that involves banging drums as loud as possible. I mean, really? Aren't they trying to hide? And the fact that none of the songs are really catchy doesn't help. (2) The callbacks to other (better) Disney films felt grating, especially when they reused Peter Pan more than once. (3) The worldbuilding was weak. Really weak. Yes, it explains why this medieval fantasy land has a diverse cast, but barely. We don't get much of a sense of why they really came here except in the broadest strokes, and since this all happened within one person's lifetime, a lot more could be explained. And we don't even know much about how magic works which is kind of a big deal. Could Magnifico not grant his own wish to find Asha? And if Star can make a magic wand, can't he just do that magic himself? (4) The animation was just fine instead of spectacular. (5) The ending. I mean, the villain should have won. He outsmarted and overpowered the heroes. He deserves to win. But he just couldn't out-emotion the good guys? The good guys had emotions, so they won? Bleah. That's along the lines of the Care Bear Stare imho. Overall, except for the blatant Disney callbacks, this felt like a movie from a lesser studio trying to make a Disney movie and failing.
“Shiny” and Gaston’s songs were more “positive”, but during the songs were shown how strong and intimidating the crab is (he casually beats up a demigod to the beat of his song) and in Gaston’s, we’re showed that he’s popular and revered, despite being a big dumb bully. They might not have been Scar or Frollo level of sinister, but they still showed WHY they were villains and were entertaining to boot. I’ll bet I could start a line from a song and your brain will fill in the blanks. Good songs Magnificos song just has “meme me! Meme me!” written all over it
As infinitely meme-able as Gaston is, I'd argue the real villain song of Beauty and the Beast is actually Kill the Beast. It still has all the same characters singing, but it's much more sinister and highlights their intention to, well, murder the second half of the movie's title. Gaston is about how Gaston is perceived by the other villagers, Kill the Beast is about his actual evil plan.
When I saw the trailer I literally thought this was an Encanto spin off movie about Isabela. The same face syndrome with disney was pretty bad before but now it feels almost like they're recycling character models. I wish they created some more unique designs!
An evil couple sounds like a fun idea for a film. There's a lot of room to give them personality chemistry that just draws you. Like imagine Morticia and Gomez if evil.
I think we can truly say now that the Disney Revival era that began when Princess and the Frog and Tangled truly ended with Moana. The only great Disney movie since then was Encanto. What's worse is that Disney and Pixar are both struggling at the same time for the first time ever. Given the positive reaction to Nimona, maybe closing down Blue Sky Studios wasn't the right move?
Disney+ does seem to have created a new era for Disney. They can't keep making sequels of their most successful movies forever, so there is a risk that the public won't see their movies in theaters unless they are expectionally popular
WHEN YOU SAID “did they even try to call the hadestown people?” I SCREAMED because I’ve been saying this for months If anais Mitchell (the girl who wrote hadestown and it’s music and came up with the entire thing) was in charge of the music maybe with Lin on the side the music would been delicious
@@BloodInTheStrawberries NO THE LYRICS AND THE MUSIC WOULDVE BEEN DELICIOUS 🤤 like if they were even in charge of the main song It would’ve been angelic and life changing
Sort of off topic but kind of on topic, I'm so glad you bought up the animation style issue, and I think it brings to light an even bigger issue. It's impressive and interesting for Disney, but not for the entire industry. Disney has always been regarded as *THE* animation studio out there, because of its early years. But people seem to have kept it on this underserving pedestal for years. An animators dream company will usually end up being Disney, because it's apparently the highest standard you could hold yourself up to. But, it really isn't. Other animation studios have done far better, examples being the things you showed in your video (Spiderverse, TMNT, Puss in boots). I have countless of godlike animation examples outside of western, specifically in Japanese animation. Disney, in regards to every other animation studio around it, is actually incredibly far behind.
Every time Disney makes an homage to itself, or critiques itself in their own movies, I have to point toward Enchanted, a film that did it well/better/right/whatever. At least Enchanted had something to say. ...I can't believe I have to copy/paste what I said in Saberspark's post for that. ...also, I'm starting to miss the lyrical creativity of Stephen Schwartz and the Sherman Brothers.
@@traviscunningham7062 Short answer: Yes. Long answer: It's from the director of A Goofy Movie, deconstructs and reconstructs what people think is the Disney formula, and has some decent music from Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz. It also put Amy Adams on the map.
@@NukeOTronstrongly Agree. Its a worth watching, as for the new sequel I will say it tries too hard to be the first but gives a good message when it comes to leaving a place you grew up in and getting use to changes.
Enchanted does succeed at self criticism where most modern attempts failed because despite the criticism, the overall writing felt like a love letter to the classics. Compared to something like wreck it Ralph 2 or the live action BATB where the commentary is like "look how dumb we used to be, glad our movies aren't like that anymore blah blah bad Faith criticism". Not as charming as they think especially when they keep on repeating it
Out of the reviews I've seen, this is one of the most accurate to my experience with Wish. I don't hate this film but I do really feel the same frustration and my enjoyment was tempered with the derrivative Disney brand that keeps forcing its creativity into a box
Princess and the Frog should have been the 100 year celebration! 2D celebration, awesome music, strong emotional core, princess story, etc. Heck it even has a wishing star tie in!
I'm sad they didn't go with the idea that both Magnifico and his wife are evil, imagine a disney duet, both of them singing about their evil scheme. That could have been so new and cool, probably why Disney didn't go for it.
Legit that thing about the higher ups hiring pop songwriters for a musical, a thing that they’re known for, instead of, yknow, hiring musical writers like they normally do is what i’ve been trying to say about this film. It’s fine if you wanna hire pop songwriters, but maybe not for something akin to musical theater, since they require very different skill sets.
I saw The Hunger Games: A Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes a week prior and a second time when I went to watch this, and I found myself enjoying the music in that one more than I did any of the songs in Wish, save for "This Wish". The fact that a movie where kids have to fight to the death in an arena has a catchier soundtrack than a DISNEY musical is pretty sad, but a little karmatic to, especially to the hardcore Disney adults who spent the summer being WAY too mean to Rachel Zegler.
9:55 - I totally agree with the Tarzan soundtrack being fire. Phil Collins is one of my favorite musicians, and I enjoy listening to his songs along with his work with Genesis and his score for both Tarzan and Brother Bear.
Wouldn’t it be funny if this movie, meant to be a big celebration of Disney’s past that only goes into surface level fan service, in five years got a live action remake that actually has nuance in its story and developed characters and grandiose musical numbers? Like it just does the opposite of what all the other live action remakes do? Because what I’m getting from the reviews is that this feels like a live action remake of a beloved Disney movie that doesn’t exist yet.
what i found odd is that not a lot of original movies had the sidekick? Like yes there were animals that helped out but I never classified them as animal sidekicks. Its odd that its become such a staple. (with the exception for mulan and mushu unless im forgetting some :])
Because they want to sell toys of it is why. The "princess singing with animals" has been a general Disney trope even since Sleeping Beauty, but I agree--it's best when done in small bits and not a SIDEKICK.
Thank you for articulating the problem with the songs lyrics. They've been bothering me since the trailers and I couldn't figure out how to explain it.... Because I haven't encountered this kind of weird issue with Disney songs.
I'm sorry- an NJ hermit crab musical??? that sounds absolutely HILARIOUS and I need to see it now. The music form Wish was such a disappointment that I need a pallet cleanser; did I think that would be singing hermit crabs? no, but I'll take it.
disney not beating the ai songwriting allegations after “throw caution to every warning sign” and “i let you live here for free and i don’t even charge you rent”
Want to know something effed up? Magnifico wasn’t the only villain, originally it was supposed to be both Magnifico and his beloved wife as the antagonists in the film. We were robbed by something unique here! Or well, unique enough. *edit* Oh, never mind. You actually explained it, thank you. 😊
At this rate I honestly pity the people that still work for Disney that actually give a damn about making great products and basically doing the heavy lifting.
Disney didn’t use an ACTUAL villain for years And when they do have one, they’ve forgotten HOW to write one - Thus, a forgettable villain was born. I WISH the movie was any better
