Wolfenstein 3D Graphics And Audio In Doom (And Vice-Versa) 

Small addendum: Wolfenstein 3D for Jaguar also has some invulnerability sprites for BJ's face with white, glowing eyes. I'm pretty sure those were inspired by Doom as well. You can see them and the "look at where the damage is coming from"-sprites here: www.spriters-resource.com/jaguar/wolfenstein3d/sheet/206194/ In Wolfenstein for SNES, there's also a roll call at the end which shows all the enemies and their names, which was revisited later in Doom 2.

When you mentioned that the early version of Doom used Wolfenstein SNES sounds, I was half expecting one of the demons to just go "coming for ya!"

Remanber kids, being a artist is about being lazy in the correct way

I didn't expect a Decino reference but it makes sense for DOOM. Also I love how they connected BJ with the Cyber Demon.

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Oh hey, I wasn’t expecting my old beta weapons wad here 😅 That rocket launcher sprite is actually the shotgun from a game called Necrodome. I thought it looked pretty close to the early Doom multi-barrel missile launcher pickup sprite, so I just darkened it and glued Doomguy’s hand on! It uses a few more sprites than the retail rocket launcher, so it was definitely more efficient to have a less animated rocket launcher back in 1993.

As a kid I was definitely under the impression that the Id games all had a shared universe. It was explicitly stated in a readme or something that Billy Blaze from Commander Keen is BJ Blaskowicz's grandson, and I guess the secret maps in Doom 2 and the similar status bar portraits were enough to convince me that Doomguy was another descendent. It's kind of nice to see that they confirmed that in the RPG games.

Its neat to see the difference between a year!

back during the wolf3d development days id didnt have any scanners or other such tools, the only assets not hand-drawn were from spear of destiny (title screen and the entire ending)

I know that in Heretic, the protagonist Corvus has a grunt sound effect similar to Doom, so does the cleric from Hexen: Beyond Heretic. I could be wrong, but maybe the Fighter and Mage's voice could be the same as the Cleric's just with a different pitch.

I would love to see a part 2 to this.

Awesome video dude, also you should definitely make a part 2

I think it was Civvie who posited that the wizard in the intro of RtCW is supposed to be Corvus from Heretic, partly because they used the same pain sound as Doomguy.

The discotheque breakdown at 1:49 nearly cost me a bite of lunch lol

Wie immer, super video ! Ich liebe alle deine videos, sie helfen mir immer beim schlafen oder auch einfach als Zeitvertreib, mach weiter so !

Love these kinds of videos, I would really like to see a Part 2 with Heretic and HeXen

0:26 that smile creepy as fuck

Very interesting stuff. Please make part 2!

We need to see a part 2, great content!

I still love that doomguy is ambidextrous… in eternal you can’t really really see that because the main bit-or the pistol was scrapped because of the regenerating CS fuel… it is on a table in eternal thought, next to the 2016 praetor suit.

A channel about old school shooters, with high production value, and subtitles too? Very cool, subscribed

It's a good practice to use art from earlier games when you're making the new one. Of course not simple copy/paste, but as a base or inspiration. Such approach can lead to defining your own style. You'll usually get better results when iterating through previous work than starting from scratch. If you work with your constantly larger library of assets your new made from scratch art should also have look and feel of your style. The only problem is that you need to start with good assets in the first place. Even ID Software had games with rough graphics and they only built on good assets. For example you won't find assets from Commander Keen 1 in later games, because they were mostly very basic and generic. Only as direct reference to Commander Keen.

I want to see a sequel video with wolf3d and doom assets that appeared in quake

I've always liked to think all id Software games are in the same universe. Commander Keen's real name is Billy Blaze and he was always intended to be BJ's great grandson

Huh. Wonder who the goober they're talking about at 6:25 is. Anyway, some more notes: * It's not just the Grosse twins and Death Knight with Doomguy's face. Hitler and the Ubermutant seem to use his mug as well, and all the human soldiers (save for maybe the Mutant) use it too. * More Wolf3D stuff can be found in RomeroDoomDump (a collection of stuff John Romero released in 2015, where I got the lamp and BFG2704 from), like an early version of CRACKLE2 based on SoD's "outside wall" textures, SoD's tan cobblestone (which inspired FLAT1_1-3), and brown versions of the SoD rocks you mentioned. * Some Doom textures made their way into FormGen's "Return To Danger" expansion for Wolf3D (The UAC Crates and some computer panels), though they were replaced in the Super CD Version. * Some of Doom's textures also appear in Shadowcaster, a 1993 fantasy FPS by Raven (the Heretic/Hexen guys) uses Doom II's wooden plank textures and modifies 0.4's nukage for use as lava. The wall statue of 2 gargoyles attacking someone is based on the same marble sculpture as the one seen in PANEL5's painting. In RomeroDoomDump you can also find Shadowcaster's cracked floor and waterfall. Also of note is that the exit door from Heretic seemes to have the face of an Imp on it (albiet with horns). * Raven isn't the only company that ID lent art for. Rogue Entertainment's Strife used the Zombieman/Marine sprites as bases for their humans (the Player, Peasant, Acolyte, and Rebel), the Fist for the Punch Dagger and burning death, and BRKHEX clearly uses the hexagonal floor tiles.

It's like the pinky demon shows up in some form in every id software shooter starting all the way back in Hover Tank 3d.

Something I found out, the backpacks from Quake (at 9:48) are almost identical to the ones from DOOM, coincidence, I think NOT

I think id actually confirmed that BJ is Commander Keen's grandfather, and Doomguy is Keen's son.

Apparently there were a couple of CD's of imagery used back in the day, Mario64 has had a deep dive of which textures were used and how they were modified. Would such a thing have even existed for mid-to-late 2D games where such textures might have existed on Floppy-disk collections?

if i can explain the textures? back in these days all the sounds and textures from video games came from a large library most people don't notice but there's actually a stone texture used heavily in almost every video game right up until now so its not that they favoured it its more they just had nothing else to use textures required the use of camera's like the Hasselblad which could cost tens out thousands per day to even rent

Content warning... for pixellated blood... and Spoilers... For a game from 1992... Dude... Honestly why am I even on this planet anymore.

7:40 I mean, if you play slaughter maps he's a pretty valuable ally

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5:15 Side note: when I ripped the Sprites from doom 0.2, I fucked up the palette and used the final game's palette instead of the palette from 0.2, whoops

Great video! It's fun to hear new things about games I've been playing since I was 8 years old nearly 20 years ago haha. Also, that secret you mentioned at 2:55 - strangely, it and the other secrets in Map31 are not even officially tagged as secret sectors in early versions of Doom II, so if you were playing on DOS, you could exit the map with 0% secrets!

Are you actually German? This is really cool. I never noticed those similarities!!

I thought it was straight up canon that Doom Guy and Commander Keen were descendants of B.J. Blazkowicz.

I am DEMANDING a part two for this video.

10:26 It's not confirmed as far as I know, but many people say that Doomguy is B.J.'s descendent.

in the spear of destiny expansion ultimate challenge, the final level takes place in a tech level full of UAC crates and doom computer textures

wow this is really interesting video regarding the similarities between doom and wolfenstein.....

this is like the pixar theory except with ID software, I knew some stuff was reused but not that many details

Commander Keen's name is Billy Blaze. He is the grandson of B. J. Blazkowicz from Wolfenstein 3-D.

There are more reused textures in Return to Danger & The Ultimate Challenge, including the crate texture from Doom, complete with UAC logo. edit: hadn't seen the follow-up video yet when I mad this post.

you sure do like going over Doom and Wolfenstein

I would love a fully german version of Wolf 3d ngl. Because German is such a beautiful language to hear :]

The "Mein leiben!" in Doom II sounds weird compared to the original. It's like the difference between Guile in CPS1 vs CPS2 versions of Street Fighter II.

I love the interconnected nature of id’s games. Other than the Valve one you mentioned the best comparison is SNK’s games.

They are aaaaaaall tied together. Wolfenstein and Doom, obviously, also Commander Keen, because his name is Billy Blaze - William Blazkowicz. Also Rise of the Triad - that was supposed to be Wolfenstein 2, and, also Heretic, because it has the Order of the Triad, the same Triad that you see in Rise of the Triad, so... It's all just one big universe. Or Romero just trolling us with RoTT and Heretic, etc. Probably trolling us. Because of course, it's John Romero.

To this day, it never occurred to me that the reason that Deimos base is where the Cyberdemon got his cybernetics.

Nice vid, awesome reference. Subd

Stabiles video bro

This is like the farcry of all games

Well i think that B.J Blazkowic is Doomguys great grandfather

Funny enough, there are surprising amount of textures that are in Wolfenstein, Doom AND Quake

I thought you got everything, but I looked again and it seems you missed BSTONE1, and its floor counterpart RROCK11! Also, there's a funny case with the Mac wolf port - the new 128x128 "purple wall" texture is actually just four 64x64 SOD-derived Doom 1 gray stone flat textures next to each other! And it still counts, since the Doom version added the vertical tiling eventually used in the lazy Mac wolf variant.

I keep being confused by your delivery of words briefly when I come back to watch your videos occasionally until my brain sorts it out

Yeah, make one for Heretic and Hexen, i love these old classic shooters.

germanpeter can i (born in may 7, 1995) create BJ Blazkowicz (created in 1992) and Doomguy (created in 1993) since they are the similarities and differences between B.J. Blazkowicz and Doomguy?

i noticed part of it but this went a lot deeper than i thought

the map32 music is an SOS signal.

would love a part 2 with other doom engine games

This was really interesting! Been playing the Doom/Wolf series for decades and there were new things in here I hadn't known about. I do hope you'll venture into the Hexen/Heretic series sometime in the future ^_^.

Cacodemon be like oh shit it's doomguys ancestor i'm screwed

I'm pretty sure the wizzard from RTCW is supposed to be Corvus

10:28 but John Romero confirming it sure does

New record, 20 seconds in subscribed. Gna premium the crap out of your content.

Speaking of Quake, did you ever notice how similar the wake up sound of the Ogre is to one of the sounds of the Pig Cop from Duke Nukem 3D? I always thought it was a jab back at them for "That is one doomed space marine".

9:12 as well as a…… Cacodemon!😃

Those other barrels at 4:45 kinda look like pipes you would see in a 2d arcade platformer or something.

I kinda forgot BJ is commander keens dad and that keen is doom guys dad 💀

i didnt even knew doom has an rpg game

The reason the cyan textures in Wolfenstein was changed to grayscale on DooM is because DooM uses cyan as transparency. The color is chromakeyed out to give those jaw-dropping see-through textures in it's day.

Really like the beta inspired smg in hideous destructor

the thing whit the bricks is that I think they are all part of the same libary of textures/photoes that a lot of games used or even still uses. The most overused game graphic you never noticed | Texture Archaeology or as its called cobble_stone.jpg ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bsCN0Yx2Vbs.html

I honestly think they hired Kermit the Frog to say "mein leben" for the Doom 2 SS...

YO THE GERMAN GUY IS BAC!

The machine gun and chaingun hud sprites in wolf 3d look like the nail gun and the super nail gun in quake 1

You need to make a playlist with the soundtrack to your vids !

I'd like to see Heretic and Hexen, though I suspect there may be fewer similarities because Raven used 3D renders instead of captures and scans. Might as well throw Strife in that pile, I don't know that one very well.

ASSET FLIP!

love the heretic shoutout

I'll be honest I prefer the "Wolfenstein 3D" version of the Chaingun sprite to the final Doom one. The lighting on it makes it seem more defined to me.

Wolfendoom, doomenstein

decino would approve. (6:06)

i didn't dig in to the wolfenstein lore but OH BOY dose the quake and doom lore a full one. so ok it is CONFIMRED that BJ is the grandpa of doomguy and it is also confirmed that quakeguy is in the same family but the relation is not knowen curently. i can also go on and on on how doom guy with his inhumane rage can warp opon death spacetime to shortly before the fight with the same rage he had during the fight so he can get more rage and kill the enemie. doom guy is to angry to die canonicly

I would love for you to cover more Duke Nukem 3D stuff. Love your vids!

Uhmmm did I misunderstand or did you say that the early build of Doom used Wolfenstein's snes port's sounds and later said that Wolfenstein's snes port took inspiration from Doom's rocket launcher for it's own rocket launcher??

Wait, I thought it was confirmed canon that Doomguy was BJB's descendant?

1:21 *It’s off-center.* *IT’S OFF-CENTER.*

Interesting how Pre-Cyber Cyberdaemon has cursed BJ Blazkowicz's descendants. While Doomguy (or Doomslayer) trapped in hell for Eternal-ly. I wonder about Billy Blaze (From Commander Keen), BJ's grandson fate? What would his curse be?

Wolfenstein was made before doom

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Hey peter did you know the german version of Half life got uncensored

Thanks for that content warning I may have started shitting and pissing myself if I didn't read that before watching this very disturbing video.

great video, but i thought vefore watchin that this is gonna be a mod swapping the 2 lmfao

I'll take Doomguy being a random human whose bloodline was cursed over "he's literally a reincarnation of god and he had super cool 40K space marine friends!!!!11!!" any day. I'm looking at you, Hugo.

Where is Manna JF?

Hard to imagine 30 year old games need a spoiler warning XD. Damn , is Doom really 30 years old?? I think that's even harder to believe

Wolf 3d had ribs on the barrels