Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus (Spoilers) 

Winston Churchill also supported the genocide that the british empire committed against the Irish and in India. He wasn't a good person.

He also loved melting civilians with the living hell of white phosphorus, but he was still right about America.

The weird thing about Churchill is that the bad shit stops looking so bad once you really try to source everything. A lot of the quotes are cut down. The one that I can source from memory was when he stated that he supported the use of gas against rioting Indians. The gas he wanted to use was tear gas.

@@dashiellgillingham4579 he commited genocide in India

@@dashiellgillingham4579 I agree some of his "racist" comments were cut out of the context. But when you starts researching his policies rather than just quotes, Churchill was heavily romanticized because of WW2 and he was quite shite

I still think he should have died on the endgame of The New Order.

While I do agree that TNO was better overall in being tonally consistent compared to TNC (which honestly felt unfinished at the second part), I wouldn't say TNC was a shame. It still had the same cool characters and interactions, and the first half of the game was like The Empire Strikes Back of the franchise, and honestly man, while the head transplant is in itself ridiculous, that and all the stuff leading up to it was one of my favorite climaxes in a game, ever. After that though, the game goes a bit downhill (Hitler was a nice funny surprise though), and I do agree that overall the game felt less memorable due to the levels themselves being far less memorable. I was slightly dissapointed in the game in terms of its story and levels, sure, but it is still a great game. The first game definitely holds up on its own far better, whereas the second one doesn't, which I think is a fair cirticism to make.

My exact feelings on the matter and Im glad Im not crazy in feeling this way.

I wouldn't like to see BJ killed off as a character, that wouldn't be Wolfenstein anymore. I think his own (as this video states) contradictory existence and his internal struggle is what sets the tone for Wolfenstein games, at least for me that is. What made me really like and enjoy The New Order is not just the story-line which to me was great even not considering it's an FPS, but BJ as a character. The smell of revenge in the air from the moment he heard that the Nazis won, showing obvious disbelief and denial in that moment, not wanting to accept that, and the constant feeling of his growing anger and contempt for the Nazis. It's like he felt the burden of the entire humanity on his shoulders but kept pushing on. I don't know, maybe I am romanticizing him but I felt like him while playing. To me, that makes a great character. Now, granted, he is not exactly the same in The New Colossus but hey, I'd rather have him that some random character in his place. The New Order is the game I've played a couple of times and will do it again, I can't say the same for The New Colossus. I did enjoy it for what it is, but I don't see another play-trough coming. But it's not the story, or the characters, or the weird stuff, it's game-play that ultimately sets these games apart. Not only is it shorter, and I wouldn't mind the length so much if it was of high quality, but the constant interruptions just made me feel like I have no control over the game. It was more like an interactive movie than a game. There were occasional good bits but for the most part, the game-play isn't memorable or exciting at all.

This. Hell, I could even say the same with Deus Ex: Human Revolution being superior to Mankind Divided due to similar reasons and also fitting already well as a standalone title... although both do still pale in comparison to the original DX.

That's not how writing works. You don't have to mix tones and break them constantly in order to avoid being boring. That's bad writing.

That's just not ture

kan't be Eh depends on the violence and how much of a "nazi" it is. I think it's more nuanced.

Think about what you just said dude. Just sit and think on it for a second, if you can't see what's wrong with what you just said, I think you might have problems.

Its less that there is an actual contradiction and more that the space between nazi violence and bigotry isn't addressed. The reason why it isn't addressed is because you can't shoot it in the face. Americans don't fight for things, we fight against villains. Its how we can hate nazis and love freedom while abiding by institutional bigotry. You can't really put a face to voter supression and you can't solve it with a hatchet. We approach things through a filter of violence. Its bizarre in how its seemingly an underdeveloped it is and I think the developers were trying to point out that you can believe these things while failing to live up to the logical endpoint of these things.

Well. Care to explain? I would want to hear your take on the question why it is wrong to kill nazis by all means imaginable when said nazis are the scourge of Earth, when they don't have any human character that is dear to people (considering, of course, that we make that assumption; we don't suppose that they are just soldiers)

Kan't be I Agree. I basically just wrote a comment of my own more or less saying what you did. I'm kind of over the whole ludonarrative dissonance thing tbh. Sure, in the real world things can be and often are more complicated then just a violent solution and I certainly don't believe it should be the first or only option, but when we are talking about fighting a Nazis regime then well so what. However, if the enemies of a game are a bit more generic or less specific then you could potentially have issues. For instance, I believe some of the Call of Duty games got some flak for playing into Islamophobia and stereotyping terrorism in the kind of terror crazed panic post 911. So why then is Call of Duty's portrayal of terrorist problematic but Wolfensteins portrayal of Nazi's is not? Well I would argue that its because Call of Duty made the terrorism a bit to vague and relied on stereotypical short hands that get kind of messy. But say for instance a Call of Duty game had you fighting Isis and they clearly defined them as Isis or a made up equivalent, well then that would be the same as clearly defining Nazis. We are no longer summoning up vague ideas of middle eastern groups that are subject to bias blind spots but instead focusing in on a very specific group that in no way represents middle easterners or Islam as a whole. Just like you wouldn't generally cast enemies in a game as vaguely Germanic with Germanic stereotypes and imagery and then just say they were Nazis. No, instead if you're going for Nazis you would clearly make them Nazis or a fictional equivalent. And that's exactly what Wolfenstein does. So if a Call of Duty game wants to be about killing Isis then i'd have zero objection. And again, in the real world its not all that easy, I believe that Isis should be fought, but I certainly don't want indiscriminate military attacks that will lead to civilian deaths and destabilization in the region. Same would go for fighting Nazis. I'm certainly glad the Nazi's were beat in WW2 but I do find it at best problematic in the way many German cities filled with civilians were carpet bombed and what not, or how two nukes were dropped on Japanese civilians. But honestly in regards to a video game I say have all the ludonarrative dissonance you want unless it goes directly against the games message, say a game that is about saving civilians but instead the goal of the game is to carpet bomb them all, well then you've done messed up at that point. Well, I feel like that was an unnecessarily deep comment with random politics but I had to get those thoughts out.

I'm not sure how the richest percent of america counts as many, but sure.

When you think about it, 3 million people (i.e., 1% of the population of the U.S.) is many.

"For many it got better" No, it didn't. The people you're talking about are still poor, angry, and pathetic. Only difference now is that they no longer have an Obama in power to blame it on.

@@NoobLord9001 no it did got better

Brings into mind why Hogan's Heroes didn't grow on me, while M*A*S*H* did.

Also.. Jimi Hendrix

Both are fantastic, man. Fergus's Scottish wit and Wyatt's niave optimism make for characters that are so damn hard to choose from :'(

Yeah, I love both characters, but Wyatt is the canon choice in my opinion. His character just goes so much further from where he started out. He might be my favorite character in the series.

It was 50% off where I live. You're talking about Steam's Black Friday sale, right?

Yes it was 40% in the UK

Yeah! I mean the president is putting people in concentration camps just because of their race >:( Wait...that was FDR

@@bloodrunsclear and a year later we are putting people in camps based on race. Time makes fools of us all

@@travisbewley7084 XD 'Based on race' Don't you mean based on illegality? And by 'a year later' I hope you're joking

@@bloodrunsclear No I mean based on race. Tons are taken to detention centers just because of their race and only checked to see if they have documentation later. Sometimes these round ups detain as much as 50% US citicens., Only releasing them after they have been vigiorusly defended by relatives. It's seriously screwed up and super racist, and people who support it are pretty racist. Sorry to pop your bubble

@@travisbewley7084 This is completely untrue. Everyone arrested is in the country ILLEGALLY or has committed CRIMES. But sure, swallow the garbage just because you hate the president for not raising taxes.

"but the Diné people who lived in that area aren't mentioned at all) but at least it's only one scene instead of every other." Look man it was either "Big Subterannean Jew Pyramid" or David Cage like "Magical Navajo ghost demons woooo" and may as well stick with one used cliche than slap in a new one

Excellent Poe! When you actually call it _commie pinko Marxis bullshit_ I think _this has _*_gotta_*_ be satire_ but then I realize you might be serious. Can't tell!

Then I totally pity you. And I expect you could never understand why.

Duckspoken like a true party-member prole. And anti-intellectualist to boot. Sir, you are a bonified stereotype from a dystopian cautionary tale. And if you are trolling me, I commend your skill. The thing is, the aging hippy liberal college professors, even the douchey ones had a point. We laughed at them when they said we were running headlong into becomming a police state, and yet here we are. You pointed out yourself that you see the oppression of straight white Christians, but you can't see how marginalized groups are being oppressed. Maybe it's a matter of learning critical thinking (which, granted, they don't teach anymore for fear of disobedience) but yeah, I want laws and policy to apply to all people equally. And I see how it is not. (Google _Prosecutorial Discretion_ if you want a field trip through paranoiaville.) In your case, for now, I'll attribute your ignorance of the matter _solely_ to ignorance, not stupidity or malice, though considering the rate you spew hate ( _fuckwits, go fuck yourself_ ) maybe you're incapable of being non-violent. Maybe you solve all your problems by headbutting things until they break. But for now I'll give you the benefit of doubt: Mainstream media, whether right or left or even centrist, focuses on trying to appeal to our comfort zones. We have lots of sources and it's easy to find one that tells us what we want to hear, what seems plausible and reflects our prejudicial beliefs and tell us we can blame what we alreadt suspected. (guns and immigrants, to cite examples.) But a nation's problems are never simple, and they're not fixed by purging single factors. Finding the whole story, and sifting fact from extrapolated assumptions is difficult, and takes time. Typically it takes more time and energy than the common American worker has to give. That's intentional. The first step is knowing that you don't know. The internet and rationality are your allies. The truth when you discover it is always uncomfortable, but not unfathomable. Problems can be fixed, but for now a lot of powerful people profit on problems not getting fixed. That's probably the most useful nugget of academic hippie wisdom I got. It served me through the Iraq War the police-state reckoning and the surveillance state revelations. Compared to Obama and Bush, Trump's lies are transparent. Be well, *TheGameRage1.* It's frustrating for all of us. It's not about beating the other guys, but making a society in which we all can live peacably. Compared to that revolutions and purges are easy. *edit:* spelling.

*TheGameRage1* The evidence you provide for your pro-intellectualism is wanting: assuming academics and professors are _hippies_ and _moronic old fossils_ who deal in presumed generalizations? Perhaps you've never been to an academic institution, or bothered to try to understand Marx or Communism or, for that matter, any government ideology. Consider: *Communism has never really been tried.* The USSR never practiced communism rather had set up a provisional authoritarian system with a politburo and a bureaucratic hierarchy, which a pure Marxist model expressly forbids, and it rapidly collapsed to corruption before it ever got near what Marx would call a communist state. And there really haven't been any real efforts to create a communist system since. China's government is authoritarian but it has both market and socialized services depending on the commodity. Contrast the US in which our regulators are appointed by elected representatives (but both parties are almost entirely corporatist, and cannot serve an ideology or platform if it runs contrary to the whims of their campaign contributors). But the thing is, government and economic ideologies (communism, capitalism, Marxism, fascism, whatever) are not rigid models handed down from divinity that we must adhere to and face damnation. Capitalism needs regulation and tweaking just like socialism, or your country ends up looking like a Monopoly game, with all the money on one side of the board and everyone hating each other. (Sound familiar?) Our military is a socialized service. Our agricultural commodities are market. Ours is already a mixed system, though granted, a corrupted decaying one in which corporations have captured regulatory agencies. (Hence why I live in a Comcast regional monopoly, which is supposed to be illegal. And the FCC killed net neutrality even though it was super unpopular to do so.) Arguing pro-communism or pro-democracy or pro-autocracy or pro-sortition is folly. What we _should_ do is look at the advantages and disadvantages of each, and use all these ideas towards a system that works. *They don't teach critical thinking in Texas.* The unified school districts of Texas have been long since run by the Republican platform, which states that Critical Thinking courses _promote disobedience_ and lead to mischief. Their platform is online. You could look it up yourself. Granted, a student can probably take such a course in college, but as an elective, yet it actually serves the individual to be able to consider _not all they hear or read may be true._ Don't you think? When newspapers were still mostly on paper, I already learned that each rag was biased, but not necessarily left- or right-leaning but based on the opinions of their owners and advertisers. We put media hygiene to use when news of torture and mercenaries was being suppressed from the mainstream. So by the time the police state rose and the surveillance state was sucking up all our telecommunications, I already knew how to find out what's what. And that's a good thing. Because if you're aware of what your best interests really are, you can actually gripe about them to your representatives and sometimes get results. If you're just going to vote for a rep and then let him do his own thing, you're pretty much consigning yourself to serfdom (and failing to participate in the _demo_ part of democracy.) The price of freedom, as the saying goes, is eternal vigilance. And if you aren't staying adequately informed and you aren't recognizing what you need (as opposed to, say, voting Republican because they're religious and fetuses are people) then you're not being vigilant enough. *That things are better for marginalized groups doesn't make them good.* Remember that only a century ago, women were chattel, and ex-slaves and their descendants were living in segregated communities under Jim Crow laws. The bar for _better than ever_ is really low. Contemporary rights, pay rates, employment rates of marginalized groups can be _better than ever_ and still be far, far below what is the norm for white males. The threshold for _good_ or _equal_ is different than the threshold for _better than before._ At any rate, you lost me at _little SJW fascists._ At what point is pursuit of social equality fascist? Are you not interested in a nation in which everyone is equal under the law? Trump certainly does not. Whether or not he has anything to hide regarding the Russia investigation, he certainly believes he shouldn't even be investigated in the first place, and that's not how law is supposed to work. (And don't think I give Clinton a pass. Obama jailed several of his enemies on the overreaching CFAA, which Clinton was guilty of, and yet she walked on a _no harm done_ handwave.) Maybe we made are nation too early, as it was Napoleon who crowned himself emperor before establishing the Napoleonic Code, in which it was established the same courts try Emperor and peon alike. But Google _civil asset forfeiture_ or _prosecutory discretion_ or _parallel construction_ and you'll get a real paranoid thrill ride. The US is a three-tiered state: the affluent who get access to the law, police and officials, who are above the law, and the rest of us who are _beneath_ the law. Once an officer or an official decides you're a bad guy, or he wants your house or your wife, then you're as good as a warm body to fill a corporate prison cell. They don't have to prove you did anything. They make it up. They lie. And the judges typically go along with it. The stuff that frightens me isn't even on a voting ticket. I can't vote against drone strikes (which kill more civilians, including children -- _fun-sized terrorists_ they call them -- than all the guns in the US) That's not a think our officials can discuss because its _classified_ that we massacre entire villages with Hellfires. It's a problem with actually getting informed and choosing to know the truth no matter how horrible. Sometimes it rally is horrible. So I don't blame you that you want to stay in your comfort zone. I'd prefer if you owned that. I'd prefer if you were honest with yourself, that you recognize for all these things you gripe about: police, immigration, Muslims, feminism, the picture is _way_ bigger than you comprehend but you can't afford the time and energy to actually look at them and comprehend. What more do you need to know but what Hannity tells you? The thing is, most Americans don't give a fuck. Most of them can't afford to. Much of our labor force is grossly overworked and underpaid and they can't spare the time or energy to raise their own kids, let alone concern themselves with sociopolitical matters. So own it. Own that you don't care about anyone or anything but your own little plot of lawn and when the US collapses into a ruin like Greece that you _chose_ to give not one fuck. I'd respect you more for not caring at all than for hiding in a bubble of ideology-spun news. In the meantime, I have to be a different kind of American. I have to try to change things for the better. And that means not just listening to some activist clarion call, whether from White Nationalists or Feminists or even Hippy Professors, and joining their bandwagons, but rather deciding for myself what kind of nation I want the United States to be, and striving toward making it that. *edits:* probably some for clarity

Wow, *TheGameRage1.* Just wow. I don't think there's any more that I can add. Your ostentatious vitriol is a phenomenon. Look at you go!

epc productions yeah i got that vibe too when i first watched that scene.

listen man. i haven't played the game. i'm just saying that her descriptions are clearly written by someone who has read about the effects of a nuclear bomb.

"Mr. Tanimoto found about twenty men and women on the sandspit. He drove the boat onto the bank and urged them to get aboard. They did not move and he realized that they were too weak to lift themselves. He reached down and took a woman by the hands, but her skin slipped off in huge, glove-like pieces. He was so sickened by this that he had to sit down for a moment. Then he got out into the water and, though a small man, lifted several of the men and women, who were naked, into his boat, Their backs and breasts were clammy, and he remembered uneasily what the great burns he had seen during the day had been like: yellow at first, then red and swollen, with the skin sloughed off, and finally, in the evening, suppurated and smelly, With the tide risen, his bamboo pole was now too short and he had to paddle most of the way across with it. On the other side, at a higher spit, he lifted the slimy living bodies out and carried them up the dope away from the tide. He had to keep consciously repeating to himself, “These are human beings.” It took him three trips to get them all across the river. When he had finished, he decided he had to have a rest, and he went back to the park." That's from Hiroshima, by John Hersey, a.k.a the book I described in the first comment.

But only in the sense where The New Order and The Old Blood worked. The New Colossus, ugh, upped it way too much to suddenly feel like a narmy 70s comedy at most.

There's a difference though between _people_ behaving like that and the _direction_ of a movie/game/whatever doing that. It's not a character interrupting an earnest scene with toilet jokes; it's the game itself.

But that doesn't mean that the contrast isn't too stark in some cases, which it often is. Timing is key with humor, I didn't feel it here.

Comedy is also pretty subjective though. One man's poop joke is another man's cringe.

I'd like to point out how this game was inspired by Fallout 4, also published by Bethesda, which has a similar juxtaposition whiplash from it's humor and just how extremely dark it is. Heck, sometimes W:TNC looks just like Fallout, like in NYC and New Orleans.

I finished the video and came to the comments to write exactly this. Even the poop joke paying off in the middle of a tense scene goes to show (not only the humanity) but that Spesh is a character doing his own thing; all the characters are not woven into this tight story throughline, they all have their own motivations and things to do all the time. While Anya and BJ are having an argument, Spesh is doing what he does best - taking a massive dump, appreciating the fact he hasn't had a working toilet in years, much like the feeling of having a shower after going camping remotely for a week! That's human, and I feel it worked perfectly. I can also see where people who dislike poop jokes are coming from, but if you have issues with the tonal jumps like that across the game as a whole, I kinda feel like you're missing the point? Oh, but I totally agree with ES's complaints about the gameplay. Though I can definitely manage to find my own enjoyment out of it all. It's not bad, it's just not really great.

It's the same reason the relationship in Deadpool is one of my favorite portrayals of romance in film.

Most actors who played the german characters are actual germans, which is amazing.

And there's the main difference between New Order and Colossus. New Order just managed to pull it off, and it worked well as a dark absurdist nightmare comedy. Because absolutely you need contrast in tone - but not all at the same time on top of each other. Put contrasting colors next to each other and they seem more vibrant, put them so close together that they blend and it's just awful.

I guess I should have added in that I haven't actually played through "The New Colossus" yet (it's on my Christmas list and I definitely plan on playing through it, though), so I can't really talk about how well the game handles its tone. If anything from what I've seen and heard, the writers leaned hard into the absurdist/surrealist qualities that made the first game such a masterclass in tone, perhaps to a fault. But comedy is also pretty subjective and your mileage will very on where it stops being funny and starts becoming annoying. But, hey, no work of art is perfect and "The New Colossus" is certainly no exception.

Alden Raymond Even if you won't find it funny, the jokes do seem to be character-driven and the mixture of the two tones do show that this is a real breathing world of characters with their own interests, motivations, and agendas. Hitscan enemies are BS, though. At least Doom 4 knew this.

I'm only halfway through the game but I don't remember The New Order being particularly humorous at all. Occasionally people say funny things but only when it's appropriate and in-character. There were no bathos moments where it felt like they were using humour as a shield against sincerity (if you're unfamiliar with the term, basically 13:50).

Wolfenstein is absolutely brilliant B-movie pulp schlock for better and for worse and I would have it no other way. And yeah sure it doesn’t handle it’s themes perfectly and sometimes has wild tone issues, but it sure is fun and it says something because it tries to say something, unlike a hell of a lot of other modern FPS games, which try to say nothing, like COD, which wind up kinda just being military propaganda as a result of having trying so hard to have no point

Exactly, people who say dumb shit like "love wins" forget the literal millions of gallons of blood spilt (mostly by communists) that we had to spill to stop them the first time

You are correct but it's still interesting that Fascism glorifies violence as the primary method of problem-solving and the only way to stop it is violence

With nonviolence, if possible. But with violence if necessary.

It's not really a black comedy -- it's intentional camp. Kinda like Metal Gear Solid.

Yeah, intentional camp might be better phrasing - sometimes it's hard for me to tell the difference.

And it's a goshdarn shame TNC went way too far on the humor, which at that point became... Robert Rodriguez/Marvel Cinematic Universe-esque to a jarring degree.

If you just want to mindlessly blast through the game without thinking, theres nothing wrong with putting it on easy and enjoying it that way. Its just not true that you cant run n gun through the harder difficulties though, quite the opposite. Most people I see that say that doesnt work keep running straight at enemies. No shit they are dying fast, run n gun doesnt mean 'mindlessly run into enemy while shooting'. I obviously dont know if you played like that though, I wasnt there :p All that cover doesn't seem to be really meant to hide behind either, it seems more meant to protect you while you run behind it. Why? Because that actually works and makes the enemies not hit you (it practically turn them into star wars stormtroopers), while hiding behind cover only leads to concentrate all the enemy fire on your current possition making it so that you take huge damage as soon as you pop out of cover. Especially on higher difficulties. You can also notice a lot of the levels are very much build around leading enemies into bottlenecks while running around if you just go for it. The game should really make that clearer. Its kind of trying by killing the player quickly for playing 'the wrong way' but doesn't do anything to nudge em towards a more effective strategy. Imo its pretty logical a player wont assume the solution to dying too fast would be running around more/better. The slower you go on harder difficulties the harder you are actually making it for yourself. I totally did the same as you my first time through.

ApenBaard it's still nowhere near as satisfying as fighting enemies with projectile weapons. The problem is that bullets are too fast if not instant. Games like Doom allowed you to dodge projectiles without the need for cover. The fact that you can't dodge any of the attacks just makes action sequences feel terrible. This could have easily been mitigated by increasing your health. The game feels like it is obligated to live up to the legacy of Doom and other similar shooters but really wanted to have a more simplified and modernized military shooter action sequences. I kinda wish it stuck to stealth alone because I've had enough of facing hitscan enemies with hitscan weapons.

BlueLightningSky so you’re saying everyone in the game shouldn’t use guns because bullets are too fast?

I cant do it lol. I find easy just not satisfying enough I like a bit of a grind.

Originally played on normal with a. Run-and-gun mentality, and recently replayed on second highest difficulty going primarily stealth, and actually trying to aim this time a lot (until I got fed up and shifted over to the shotgun for my main in-combat weapon). Absolutely agree with this mentality. It’s a great stealth game and a great action game, just not always the best at the intersection.

I'll say otherwise. The New Order+The Old Blood, though older and still have issues, have a more balanced feel of pathos and seriousness than the excessive TNC. Helps that the former works far better as an bittersweet yet triumphant endgame for the Deathshead saga of B.J. Blazkowicz.

The same flaws also apply with Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, Halo 2, and Star Wars: Republic Commando. Granted, at least Halo 2 got nicely resolved with Halo 3, while Republic Commando admittedly fits in with the Karen Traviss feel of darkness in the tie-in novels.

while i can see why they chose that song for its rebel against the establishment mentality , turning it into a thrash metal scream fest just destroyed the meaning of its lyrics as well as the association Rock songs have with acts of rebellion. just wished they made it closer to the original or a propaganda re-imagining like the other collectible music in the game.

It honestly is ear-splittingly awful.

It fuckin dragged on too. I liked it for the first 30 seconds to a minute but afterwards it wouldn't end! Understanding the story more thoroughly now since the revolution is now in full effect (makes sense this game was just building more of a resistance even though the first game established a resistance!), it makes much more impactful sense. But still, I would've liked a Mick Gordon rock song or some shit over this.

Holy shit I thought I was the only one thinking so.

Sir Roderick Quincy von thunderbottom, the Magnificent high king of Australia trust me I wouldn't call that thrash more like trash

As long as it's just the original first movie, and not the narmy sequels and the awkward remake.

And not in a satisfying manner either. Hell, TNC actually leans more into the dated cringe of Spy Kids, while Youngblood became, well, Sharkboy and Lavagirl.

Total biscuit sucks tbh.

Both descriptions seem fair to me.

He's not really the sophisticated type. He's more of the casual type but still plays a lot of games. He's the hedonist critic

Take the BJs phrases out of the context of constant contradiction (background ES talking about) and it would sound boring. ES just digging deeper, looking for different perspective, that's why we love him.

I mean I haven't played the game so my opinion is perhaps not valid but even in context he sounds like a generic murderous slab of meat. I'm not saying it's bad but I can see why someone else might find it boring.

I don't know, those games admittedly deliver quite well on mixing the Japanese whimsy and the Japanese themes of determination, grit, and finality. The New Colossus, umm... suffice to say, it basing itself too much on Robert Rodriguez whimsy is a huge step down compared to the grimness and pathos of The New Order+The Old Blood.

I still prefer how TNO+TOB did things on stealth and sudden gunplay. Never felt a lot of catharsis with TNC's side missions. That I can agree, the forgotten value of manual saving.

I literally just finished it and it isn't

@@da_big_scouser1759 I don't think you understand how opinions work.

I know, right?! It's a fantastic performance, especially when she has extended monologues.

Sacred feminine dude.

Have you checked The Old Blood?

Basically, a feel nicely similar to The New Order, which The New Colossus unwisely ditched by doing a post-From Dusk Till Dawn/Sin City Robert Rodriguez.

absolutely. I'm curious how much of this is setup for the next game. I don't think America will rise up the way BJ and even Grace expects it to. I wonder if Horton will have a bigger role.

The thing is that anarchy and communism aren't incongruous with american ideals. American idealism is empathy expressed through violence upon some arsehole or another. If there isn't somebody neatly fitting this role as an arsehole to use violence against then americans don't express this empathy. Sure, there are communist and anarchists in the game but what are they fighting? Are they fighting capitalism? Are they fighting big government? No, they're fighting something that you can solve with a bullet - nazis. Does BJ fight institutional bigotry like segregation? The first game demonstrated that, while he didn't approve of it, he didn't really fight it either. He fights nazis. Its how we work. We love guns and we love shooting bad guys with gun. You can't shoot poverty.

Aldowyn they better not make another piece of shit Wolfe stein game I’m not kidding why is this series around when it’s never held a candle up to DOOM?

Only if you're referring to The New Order+The Old Blood.

Alrekr666 For you. For me, I don't mind a more passive way of storytelling, even if it's medium's main selling point is its interactivity, or its origins stem from continuous interactions. A medium needs to be diverse for it to evolve. Serious Sam and Gone Home can exist in the same realm. For me. They really needed to program auto-pickup on health and armor, though.

Ed Ropple Two years ago almost no one thought Donald Trump would win, though. No one who wasn't well established within the political system had made any headway in a presidential campaign in... I don't know how long. Certainly not within my lifetime, so at least 3 decades. At first, no one expected him to make it to the primaries, then no one expected him to get the nomination. Until the moment he won, I was convinced that there was no way someone as established as Clinton could lose. Two years ago, the idea of Trump as President of the United States was a punchline. Today, it's a surreal fact of life.

I was going to write pretty much the same thing 'til I read your comment. Bang on. The American ideal isn't a bad thing. Truth. Justice. Liberty etc. Maybe, in this Wolfenstein reality, the American dream is actually a good thing instead of an excuse for greed and power. Maybe the nazis affecting America in this universe makes those characteristics stand for something instead of just being crowd rallying calls. Maybe this Swedish crew is trying to remind Americans about the basics of their beliefs that seem to have gotten so warped lately. Everyone can have ideals but truth, justice, liberty etc should be at the heart of everything. After playing the game, those were my impressions. And I'm Scottish.

Maudlin there were a lot of leftists back then that warned Donald Trump could win, and I think, given Wolf 2's content, the writers at Machine Games at least paid a little attention to leftism. A little. Not enough to realize it's fucked up to have Horton literally wrap himself in the American flag, but... a little.

The people crying "fascism" in today's world have more in common with fascists than anyone they scream at

Antiform Ofc mate, go back to bed.

Brings into mind how the original Metal Gear Solid trilogy grew on me more as time went by while Metal Gear Solid 4 onwards shockingly failed.

Honestly though, Wolfenstein 1 and 2 still both manage to be a hell of a lot more thoughtful than most modern shooters. COD deliberately tries to say nothing, which winds up leaving it as military propaganda basically

People forgot what PC means Yes chud the gory game with nudity and nazi imagery gallore is totally PC

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I don't know, these "flaws" are actually well balanced and thus better feeling in TNO+TOB for me. Hence, why I love and constantly replay that game and itexpansion whilst sorely wanting to treat TNC onwards as an Elseworlds tale where things went differently in some ways, like B.J. never sacrificing himself during the final battle against Deathshead.