Yep, Roth has nothing positive/productive to do to take up space in his mind. There may be a bit of jealousy there as well, all these years he was probably jealous of Eddie's talent and all the attention Eddie received, but that is really low to take it out on Eddie's kid. Roth is making himself look really bad, because you just don't mess with people's kids just saying.
Roth was always nothing without EVH . He begged for a reunion in the 90's . because he couldn't make big money without the band Van Halen . Then he does a tour with Sammy Hagar , because he needed him for a bigger paying tour with 2 big names . And he turned on Hagar on that tour as was awful . Now he's turning on Eddie's son because of his ego . Eddie should have cut that guy off after 1984 , nothing good has ever come of him since . Just a total egomaniac
I always hated DLR. he needs to join us in the present. He left Van Halen and they moved on selling bigger and better. Kudos to Wolf for taking the gentleman’s way out
Roth is just accusing Wolfgang of using his name to get famous. I mean, if Wolfgang was playing a Frankenstein and half-assing Eruption at every show, I could maybe see it like that, but the fact is, he's not. He's got his own sound, his own music, and his own identity. Sure, Eddie (and probably Valerie) provided him with a ton of contacts so he had that advantage (and there's nothing wrong with that). Personally, I think Wolfgang has been nothing but respectful, not only to his dad's legacy, but just in general. Eddie and Valerie raised a good kid (I say it like that, but im pretty sure he's my age lol)
@@Ottophil why hate? I'm not a big fan of Eddie but hate is crazy. but it'd be insane if Roth was accusing Wolfgang of using his name to get famous considering the bands name is his last name
Hate is a pretty strong feeling/word brother. Strongly dislike, I can get onboard with but, IMHO, unless you personally knew EVH, how can you definitely hate him.
The son has been extremely unhinged towards of all people, the fans who loved his father the most. The die hard old vh fans. Why, who knows. I don't think he's all there unfortunately. For that reason alone, I have no interest in him or his music. He's no Eddie van halen, that's for sure.
Exactly. This had to have happened nine years ago. Not exactly pertinent to today. Jesus im so happy im not a famous anything because my screwups from a decades ago dont need advertising. Let he who is without sin chuck the first stone. Ive bought a shit load of Roth records and Van Halen and Mammoth. Eventually I’ll get VH 3 for giggles this summer. All this smack is meaningless.
As I come up on my 58 birthday, and although I am not a famous musician , just a bar band guy, I learned years ago the least attractive thing you can do publicly is to be petty and bitter . It doesn't look good on anybody and is a sign of weakness. If you have been blessed with just having fans, let alone a highly lucrative career then be gracious and positive . Maybe people will still want to work with you or come see you . Stop and think "What good will this do?" before you hit that "SEND" button .
If anything, that negativity will put off fans or potential fans and could harm a career. Dave's not helping himself with his bizarre rants and gaslighting, it's rather petty and childish for an elder statesman of Rock. It's part of his act, sure, but it makes David look like a cruel douche rather than an amusing raconteur.
At the same time he never says what DLR said about him kicking out the innocent accountants from the concerts is untrue. WVH may be just playing rhetoric chess and not being forthcoming and innocent. We all know the VH brothers had a habit of playing innocent while doing others wrong and being negative behind the spotlight. If Wolfgang is like that as well, then it's just "the apple beneath its tree". That does not mean DLR hasn't been mean in the way he talks, but DLR may also speak truth nuggets inside of all that spiced up word salad.
My opinion is DLR just needs attention. He really has not been in the news in forever. Would anyone even be talking about him if he did not run his mouth and attack Wolfie and Sammy.
Yeah, the fact that Wolfie plays ALL instruments on his albums shows how amazingly talented he is. Clearly a chip off the old block. As for DLR, he's been a muck raker since he left VH. I love a lot of his music (especially the early stuff after he left VH) but everytime I hear him talk about anyone else in the VH universe it's always cheap shots. I can't deal with people like that.
Roth is a good performer on stage with Van Halen, but I never thought his solo music was all that great, and never felt moved to buy any of his albums.
Wolf won't play any 80's VH music though in his band. He wants to be a completely different band than VH was and just play HIS new music that HE wrote for Mammoth WVH. He was in VH from 2006-2015 when he replaced Michael Anthony as bass player and Dave came back as lead singer. He sounds nothing like VH did in the 80's, more like what most modern 2000's rock sounds like. He disbanded VH in Oct 2020 when his father Ed passed because he didn't want to disrespect the memory of his father and replace his father as lead guitarist. Al won't play (drum) again without his brother. It's now up to Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony to carry the VH torch for a while, they are in fact doing a VH tribute tour this July and August with Dave as a guest at some shows. So at least we get to hear Jump and When it's Love live again from some original VH members.
I think both Sammy and wolf handled this well. With real class Roth is washed up at this point. His songs are legendary and his vocals are legendary he will be remembered for that but this crap really makes him look like a fool
I mean, you cover rock news, you should know WVH has been very open in suggesting it's DLR's fault that no tribute to EVH has been set up, he also as blamed DLR of blocking the album A different kind of truth from being in streaming apps. Sammy has always been asked about DLR in interviews and Sam has always had something bad to say. So I dont know why you are reporting that the Roth attacks have been coming from nowhere, also, it doesnt seem like Wolfie denied the claims
@@js4187 They're only true in Wolf's adolescent mind. You can't blame Roth for responding to constant attacks from a kid who will never, EVER come close to Roth's accomplishments.
@@McHale72 No Wolfitdown fan here . I cant believe the hype he gets . As Roth stated correctly , Wolf only played bass in Van Halen because of who his dad was . If he would have been born Wolfgang Smith ... no one would have ever heard of him .
Diamond Dave is so out in left field and stuck in the past that it's a shame. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge lifelong Van Halen fan for over 40 years. But, even I'm tired of Dave's constant attempts at trying to remain relevant. The only thing Dave probably possesses or am envious of is he likely still has a ton of that good 70s-80s blow put away still. Roth's singing voice has been shot even since the late 80s. I always thought that Diamond Dave would make a great vocal pro wrestling manager. Hell if I was a top tier heel wtestler I would love to have Diamond Dave as said manager. But yes truly past the point of no return in regards to reallty.b
@@Ottophil I'm being sarcastic man. Ha. Of course there would none leftover with Diamond Dave. Shit I bet he had the Medelin Cartel on speed dial back in the 80's.
I saw him on tour with Sammy in the early 2000s and he held his own vocally. Even my friend who hates him didn't say anything bad about his singing. His reunion shows were mostly pretty horrid, though.
People age, and maybe their voice boxes get worse. The studio recording of Jump from early 1984 is perfect. VH with Dave between 2006-2015, not as good.
They really did Michael Anthony really shitty. Doesn't the kid realize it's not anyone's fault but between the two , but doesn't he think Michael Anthony is just as classy for as shafted as he got in no fault of his own. Maybe that effected Dave too a bit. Wolfgang didn't start Van Halen or write any of his dad's solos either just because he can play them. Wolfgang should still have a bit more than civility. He should still respect what Dave built too while in VH. If it weren't for him being there things might not have been the same or as big possibly, but Dave was there and should have that much respect. Glad to hear he won't play those songs without his dad if he can't give Dave the props he should get, plus it would be as bad as a Pantera 'reunion'.
I think it's time we talk about the elephant in the room. Everyone who knows him says it. Something is wrong with Dave. Something psychological. He can be a cool dude, he is intensely creative, he can be the life of any party... If he wants. But there is some narcissism or need for attention that eats at him. He is self destructive to his career because of it.
Wolfgang sounds like a very Mature Guy.Sammy is Awesome but should completely ignore engaging in this Drama.The Internet can be a wonderfull thing but it can also be your Worst Enemy
Wolfie is amazing! Wolfie writes songs, writes the music, plays all the instruments, sings, produces and is the sweetest guy ever! All DLR does is run his mouth.
Dave should leave the "kid" alone. Sammy cordially invited Dave to join him on a couple of shows for the tour, and Dave somehow screwed that invitation up. At this point, Dave should go back to his original plan and just retire. Don't jeopardize your legacy any further.
Lee Roth was always such a bore, in that era it felt like the DLR show and the rest were shoved aside. Van Hagar was a fun band acting not so serious running around acting silly I love Van Hagar
I recently heard Sammy defend himself saying he is a serious musician while DLR doesn't even keep his voice in shape or make much of an effort to actually sing on stage, and that DLR's performance fee is a fraction of Sammy's for such reasons. DLR can be a fun showman to watch and came up with a few good songs, but he is nowhere near as skilled and talented as Sammy, and at the extreme opposite end of the talent spectrum from Eddie.
As for this whole "serious musician" business - DLR doesn't just sing a song. Ahem, stage presence. He may not hit every note like a choirboy, but he gives you everything he's got. Sammy may have his fancy performance fees and his serious musician rep, but when it comes to pure unadulterated showmanship, there's only one Diamond Dave. He may not be the most skilled or the most talented on paper, but when you witness what happens when he steps into the spotlight, well, let's just say there's a reason they call him rock's quintessential frontman. As for Eddie, rest his soul - a master of his craft. But talent comes in many forms and Diamond Dave's form just happens to be a little louder, a little wilder, a little more unpredictable.
Does anyone even care about dlr anymore? He's basically just an out of step dancer now. His live vocals were never worth the ticket price. Eddie, Mike, Al AND WOLF carried him during his tenure. The longer he gets attention the longer it'll take for him to fade.
I’m so disappointed in Dave to go after wolf like that disrespecting Edward like that wolf is so talented I love his music I love Dave but that love I had for him is going away Alex needs to kick his ass
So.... Hagar and the Van Halens have spent DECADES running Roth into the ground. Dave FINALLY pushes back all these years later, and HE'S the bad guy.... riiiight. 🤔🤔🤔
I think Sammy might be right … Dave does do a lot of pot - admittedly by him, so maybe he’s getting some bad lettuce lately. I am surprised at Wolfgang’s measured response. He usually has no problem going after people on social media. Good for him. He’s proven himself so much the past couple of years, he really doesn’t deserve this Dave / Van Halen drama.
Wolf's a class act. Sammy does talk smack, but as you said. NOBODY says Sammy is a bad performer these days. He's a freaking legend and still sounds amazing. Roth is a character, and man, we all love his vocals on that old stuff, even Different Kind Of Truth he sounded okay, but he's not the full musician Sammy is at all.
Out of respect for the late Eddie Van Halen and the fame and riches that being in the band brought him, I hope David Lee Roth stops the drama and give thanks for his beautiful life.
Wolfgang hasn't said anything directly about his having the woman thrown out of the show twice, as Dave said in his video. For me this isn't Wolfgang's classy response, it's him being evasive by not addressing what Dave said.
Nobody really knows who is and who isn’t telling the whole truth, whether it be Dave or Wolfgang. All we can do is speculate, just as it was between Eddie and Dave, or Eddie and Sammie. Ed was human and had an ego just like Dave and Sammie. Eddie and Alex seemed to have lied about how Sammie left the band, so they aren’t perfect. Eddie and Alex couldn’t have made it without Dave in the first place. Yet Ed and Al act like they are Van Halen. In last name, yes. As a band, nope. Dave was at least as much Van Halen, just as Sammie was after. They needed a frontman and found the perfect one in Dave. Looks like Dave has a bigger ego, but that doesn’t mean he’s the one lying. Of course, Wolfgang would never want to tell of any wrongdoing by his dad. He’d take his dad’s side regardless of what his dad did. No surprise. Like Eddie, Wolfgang is human and is capable of fudging what is true.
Love this band, but stuff is so dumb. And it’s so crazy that it gets this way. Love Dave but he is very opinionated, but love the guy. Sammy was awesome for me, idk. I like both music. Sammy i think got shit on alot, but he came in to the band and played guitar too and wrote music before. I love Dave’s vocals but Sam was amazing, and can still do it .I actually started listening more to because of him and the music was different.
Have any of you on here listened to the DLR stories on his channel? They're hilarious.. He knows wayy more about the the Van Halens than anybody. He's spot on.. He's speaking out in his own creative way.. He put up with their bs for decades. Nothin wrong with sticking up for yourself.
DLR used to talk horribly of Hagar long before Van Halen split up and became Van Hagar. I think Hagar was picked by the band just to burn DLR to all holy hell. Essentially, this feud started way before VH broke up in 1984!
I read somewhere a long time ago that one Van Halen were first getting started real big they were touring somewhere I don't remember the event but Sammy Hagar was there maybe with Montrose I don't remember but anyway Eddie said hey man there's Sammy Hagar let's go meet him because he liked it and Dave said something like f him man he ain't got nothing on me. So yeah I think this Feud started a long time ago in Dave's mind
Wolf has class. The kid goes out on his own. Earns fand on his OWN merit. He tries to keep his new music and band as far away from Van Halen as he can. Though he will never escape his last name, he is making his own way in the world of music. No other musician out there will constantly be reminded about his dad in EVERY interview. Wolf has class and grace about it all. That must come from his mom. Love ya kiddo, keep doing you.
If you ask him to play Jump in his band, he will simply curse you out and say I'm not playing effin' Jump! Except for the Taylor Hawkins tribute, he will not play any old VH music in his band. He probably had enough playing it with his dad when he replaced Mike and Dave came back as lead singer between 2006-2015.
Wolfie doesn't deserve any of what Roth is dishing out. It's madness. But Hagar loves shitting on people, especially Roth, and then saying he's a nice, happy-go-lucky guy. It's surprising Roth hasn't shot back before. Roth is a little out of his mind these days, too, though.
@@nahuel2201He talked bad about Ed too, but Ed probably deserved it by other accounts. They should all just stay quiet in the press. Which makes me wonder, is this public banter all planned out among them in private, to keep their names out there? Getting recognition with out releasing anything new.
@@jfo3000 it kinda seem that way...cause people seem to think that only Dave s career is like in the shadows but sammy isnt than relevant anymore unless he is talking or doing anything close to vh... ironicaly the kid is really the only one doing things for himself
Let me preface by saying I am a fan of Van Halen and have seen them with Sammy and with DLR and with Wolfgang. I like all versions. I am just wondering if Dave will finally start acting like an adult this year when he turns 70??
He did … I do think Sammy’s response to Dave saying he would be happy to join was a little harsh and uncalled for though. I think Sammy is great, but he has his own Dave moments. I believe Eddie referred to it as LSD - Lead Singer’s Disease. And, hey, you have to have that to be a great rock singer, but he didn’t need to go back after Dave like that.
Right? People keep saying he rescinded his invitation, but Sammy never invited him to tour. It was obviously an invite to come up on stage on a date or two for a song or two. Sammy could have been more tactful in his response, but those guys have so much history, I'm in no position to dictate how Sammy responds.
I saw it that way, too. Didn't think DLR said anything too bad or outrageous. Was like a backstage story with flair... something that DLR does all the damn time.
@@vixstert.5642 I saw it the same way. DLR telling a funny story....was not that big a deal....but the World is full of snowflakes now....the comment section is evidence.
I'm with you on the don't take jabs at Ed's kid. Whatever drama you had with Eddie, Sammy and so on that's with them. Dave has always felt the need to be over the top with things but this one I say let it go. My final 2cents that means nothing really is look Ed was the one everyone was focused on and both versions wrote great tunes why not just enjoy that and leave it at that.
That's part of Dave's problem is he thought the focus was all on him but it wasn't it was on Eddie Van Halen. Yeah David Lee Roth was good at what he did then but it's over man
I have always loved Dave’s vocals in Van Halen for those first 6 albums and to this day I still do. I also thought that Sammy did a fantastic job and took the band in a new direction. Vocally I prefer Roth but Sammy is also a very well rounded musician who can do it all and still puts on a great performance to this very day and is a kick ass vocalist in his own right as well as being a great guitarist. He’s not on Eddie’s level in that department but who is? Nobody! There’s only one EVH but Wolfie is so close it’s crazy! I’ve never heard anyone else get as close to flat out nailing Eddie’s guitar parts as he does. He sounded fantastic at the Taylor Hawkins tribute show! 🤟🏻🎸 I’m also happy that Wolfgang is taking the high road even after being attacked verbally by Dave… As much as I like Dave he’s always been very talented in the vocal, lyrical and showman department and I love what he did as the lead singer in Van Halen while he was in the band. I still prefer Dave’s Vocals over Sammy in VH, I even really like most of his solo material as well as Sammy’s solo Red Rocker material … But I’m going to have to side with Wolfgang on this as Dave has always seemed quite strange and kind of flakey… Most of the truly great singers are a bit out there and I still want to like the guy based on what he did in VH and on his own as well, the material he did with Steve Vai was definitely amazing in its own right but I don’t know what the hell to think of Dave the last few years…
I feel the same…. DLR is the voice of VH…. But he left the band because he thought he was bigger than the band…… I do like the Hagar era just a little itty bitty bit but always return to those first six VH albums…… It’s been stated that EVH would only work on a new album and tour if it was with his son…. Wolfgang did a great job on the ADKOT album and tour….. no, it wasn’t the original VH but it was better than nothing at all…..
1985? No buddy, that rivalry is even older than that. It was the Hit Parader where I first took notice that something was up and I believe it is what led VH to calling Sammy in the first place. I do not recall if David started it or Sammy did. One of them first talkin stuff said they would [in more hard language] win in a fight. The article I am referring to was an interview with Sammy around the time VOA, with can't drive 55 was released. That video on Mtv got Sammy to the big leagues. He was asked his opinion on VH, maybe because of Dave's mouth, maybe not. Sammy's response (i believe it was ''84) was that he thought DLR looked like a woman in drag, and he, (sammy) would kick his (Dlr's)ass anytime. This is something I seem to remember like yesterday. Maybe because it was the only Hit Parader mag I ever owned. It read like he meant physically, but later I think he recanted and said he meant vocally.
Everyone knows roth is a douche. Wolfgang carrys his father's legacy with class while carving his own path. He's a breath of fresh air for rock/metal imo...
I'd like to see where that came from. I have seen the quote that Eddie made that he had to show Michael Anthony every single note on bass. Which I am going to call BS on.
Yeah I never heard that Dave claimed he wrote EVH solo’s either. I did hear him say he came up with the stripe idea, who knows Eddie said he doesn’t know how he came up with it.
@@santacruz3600David Lee Roth did NOT come up with the stripes idea for Ed's guitar. Ed stated he didn't know what inspired him to put the stripes on, where he got the idea from, other than he thought his guitar was rather boring, but he did it.
@@coldwinter5710 Eddie ripped it off from the guitarist of the Dils [Chip Kinman] who had a white Les Paul that he decorated with black electrical tape stripes. Ed saw Chip play with the stripes WAY before he did it. It's documented and there are videos of Chip here on RU-vid playing the Les Paul.
I have a theory. Kiss, Judas Priest, Motley Crue, Ect. They all have a big you tube fight whenever they have some new project coming out and need to draw attention to themselves.
in response to DLR saying he’d join the reunion tour. I thought Sammy’s response could’ve been a bit more gracious, and not so caustic. I respect Wolf’s no drama answer to DLR.
Dave is going to join Sammy and Mike for a few shows this July and August. They are doing a VH reunion tour and playing hits from all eras of VH. The Circle's drummer and guitarist will play. Al won't drum anymore without his brother.
Wolfgang is more mature than DLR! Who knows if it was true? If it was he was a kid! I used to be a big Dave fan but now I find him bitter and annoying 🙄
I'm 56 and grew up to VH's music. All those years I thought Ed was a super nice and down to earth humble guy and a ton of people who met him will testify that Ed had a kind heart and was a very giving man. He was my idol as a young man and to this day is my all time favorite guitar player and song writer. I did learn that later on in his life he had a dark side. A mean (for lack of better term) side to him. Doesn't change how I feel about him but my point is no one ever really knows what a person is really like unless they are with them 24/7. Can any one of US prove that Wolfgang didn't treat Roth that way on that tour? Is Dave lying? Is wolf not wanting his fans to know he was a sarcastic control freak as a 16 year old rock star? Did Wolf hear his dad and uncle throw Roth under the bus for years and then figure he would treat him like shit during ADKOT tour and dad and uncle would have his back if there was a dispute between him and Roth? Who really knows?
Roth is washed up . Wolf has more talent in his pinky finger than Roth ever did.. good to stand up for yourself,but Wolf has nothing to worry bout with this drama.. : MAMMOTH :
I guess Diamond Dave forgets where he came from as in the beginning he would relentlessly beg Eddie to join the band. Eddie eventually gave in because Roth had a PA system and the band needed it !!! It's funny how a little fame can permanently damage someone. Dave's Diamonds don't sparkle like they used to and he's just bitter He can no longer take it out on Eddie, so he attacks Wolf.
the reality is. At this point in time does anyone even care what David Lee Roth has to say ? I’m 60 years old and yes I idolized and loved VanHalen as a band and IMO when Dave was in the band they were great but he has always been aloud mouth Full Of Himself ,Wolfgang has too much Talent and Class to allow Someone like Dave and his comments bother him The Band VanHalen. Didn’t need Dave. And neither does Wolfgang look at Dave he is a Grumpy Lonely Old Man trying to hang onto something he was years ago him Claiming to build. Eddies Guitars. Or write his Music is complete Hog Wash which is generally what comes out of his mouth ! When Eddie Passed the World mourned, When it’s Dave’s turn to do so more than likely. Not too many people will care The generation that has the Money to see the Shows and Financially Support that era of Musicians are tired of listening to his Drama He just isn’t Important any more
Maybe Wolfgang was talking behind David’s back and he found out, just because you don’t hear Wolfgang VH talking behind his back on camera, this doesn’t mean that Wolfgang is not able to do so, So there is two sides on a coin and the truth.
Eh, I'm a little tired of Hagar's try-harding for attention. You were in Van Halen, bro. That will always be bigger than solo Sammy 'Drive 55' Hagar, LOL!
Wolfgang pit out such a kickass show! David Lee Roth had his moment. I love 80’s hair metal, Mammoth WVH is one of the only modern bands really worth going to. They work really hard and are just as good live as on track. David Lee Roth is an old fart who can’t get over the fact that he piddled away his best years so hard on drugs that he only now wants to redo his life again and actually remember it.
I guess it just comes down to what camp you're in. Eddie is gone. Van Halen (the band) cannot exist. Alex has retired and sold his equipment. "It's over! It's over Johnny!" I do wish that Wolfgang would incorporate a small homage to his dad into his shows at some point. After all he is who he is! He is, however, making great music on his own, just like Eddie. 😎
Have we ever been able to predict and understand DLR? No. Whatever is driving his anger is probably for the moment and if you ask him later he'd probably have some other reason. I love DLR as an entertainer but he has a very bad attitude, an extreme show off, seemingly delusion at times and the term "Demented Dave" would be a better dub for him that "Diamond Dave." I know Dave had the moves, the screams, and is what many claim to be the greatest rock front man of all time; but Sammy is absolutely the coolest rocker ever. He may not jump and kick as Dave did but Sammy has a very cool, laid back and unique style of his own and he too can sing. Oh, and Sammy still looks younger and cool. The years have not been kind to Dave. Could that be karma giving us the story on who is good and who is not? Just a thought.
Wolfgang is a genuine and nice guy. He has a big shadow to crawl out from under as EVH is his dad and he seems to be navigating being a musician, (guitar and bass player) from one of the best ever guitar players and from one of the great rock bands ever. I have heard interviews of Wolfgang and seen him on video...he seems to be a well grounded and insightful man. DLRoth has always been unhinged...I still remember yelling at my mom back in the '80s when she look at those VH videos on Mtv in the '80's. She said..."He seems....off"....trying to be PC here. She felt his machismo was in question....LOL. I watched them on stage when the band was "back" at that award show and then DLRoth was instantly kicked out again...I forgot the nonsense DLR spewed into that mic, but they were right to kick him out again. Anyhow...the end of it all...DLRoth seems to be the source of many of the band's problems. Many opportunities to come back into the fold and this is just one more sign that he is wrong and probably the source of all the drama. Wolfgang doesn't deserve this and I hope he goes on to carry on the VH band with or without uncle Alex. Turn that kid loose and never reconcile with DLR.
In life I find sometimes it’s better to compose a flaming response, then hit delete instead of send. Go for a long walk. Look at the wildlife, have a beer, whatever. Not picking sides …
DLR is looking for the spotlight, attacking Sammy & Wolfgang. Roth is jealous that both Sammy & Wolfgang are much more successful & talented. David Lee Roth is a drama QUEEN.
When was the last time anyone heard David Lee Roth sing an ENTIRE SENTENCE?? The last time we saw them was in 2015 David could not even sing complete verses on ANY song they performed! Nuff said about that washed up alcoholic !
VH fan since August 1978, big DLR fan early as well, but Dave seems self-absorbed to an impressive degree. Aging has only made him more so, and tone-deaf. He finally lost me when he complained about waiting ten years for the guitar player- This, while Ed continued to battle cancer. Dave's become one of those guys who, in the abstract, you kinda feel sorry for, unless you actually have to deal with them. Crazy smart. But mostly just crazy.
