It's perfect that they only let the sword actually cut the skeleton in Ripper mode. Usually the vibrablade has no trouble cutting through most normal things, but in the game Ripper mode's mechanic is specifically to instantly cause armor breaks. Incredible fight,
Yeah but this was very unrealistic, Wolverine usually goes for the vital spots especially if he sees that attacking other areas wasn't enough, so Wolverine would have won quickly if he cut off Raiden head instead of attacking his mid section which he wouldn't waste his time doing
@@serraramayfield9230 that's your opinion on it, wolverine was more than able to keep up with Raiden moves and if he decapitated him from the start this would've been over. Only when Raiden entered his final stage was he able to move faster than wolverine
@@nikkimiddlekillsday5161 Again, if you observe both canons you'd know that Raiden's reaction speed/durability is too high for that to be viable. Have you not seen what Senator Armstrong did to him?
@@serraramayfield9230 have you not seen wolverine adamantium claws slice through the hulk's durable hide with ease. Hulk's skin is able to withstand Hyperion's heat vision and remember it took hulk strength to break a severely weak version of adamantium called second adamantium. Wolverines claws are true adamantium which is able to slice through the invulnerable , even juggernaut can be hurt by them
Yeah Raiden sword aint strong enough to even hurt Armstrong that has NANOMACHINES in his body,even with Murasama raiden find difficulties when fighting The Senator
What i really liked about this one is that whenever Raiden slowed down, or stopped attacking for even just a second, he got closer and closer to losing, much like in the actual videogame. His best defence is offense.
@@adumbchicken8022 both actually, Sam was able to see the speed Armstrong's nanomachines were moving at and predict when to strike. Raiden had exhausted Armstrong's nano machines from the fight, which had them moving slower and hence he was able to cut faster than them.
I mean, Raiden himself said that Jetstream Sam, who had a robot prosthetic arm AND a cybernetic suit, "barely had any cyborg enhancements" ...so honestly, Wolverine might not count as a cyborg in the MGRR universe. Especially so if, according to the art book iirc, nanomachine('s son)-filled Senator Armstrong isn't even a cyborg
Hahahaaaa I was thinking the same thing, I tried to make sense of it in my mind. Lol his outfit is a tattoo is all I could come up with, but his healing factor would heal the tattoo I said. Then I forgot my adress. 😂 😥
@@gingerinajacket8519 don't know how long you've been watching death battle but there has been countless times in future episodes during the fights when clothing and entire limbs have been chopped away with out a care. They literally just didn't have the ability or the budget to animate the tearing of the clothes at this time.
I kind of like this fight better than raiden vs Excalibur , well not only because Raiden wins lol. But because the older death battles seem to utilize and incorporate actual moves from the games to the chorography.
@@C1ph3r420 the new one had little to none, they utilized multiple effects to cover the action. The concept of moving so fast the eye can’t see with a multitude of great captivating camera angles. But that’s it, the action and animation had no moment of actual flow
Raiden was introduced in like the 2nd or third game of msg. Then in 2013 they turned him into a cyborg super swordsman for the spin off game(don't know if it's cannon) if you're a true fan then you know these things
*Wolverine:* "That's a nice argument, bub. Why don't you back it up with a source?" *Raiden:* "Daughters of the Dragon: Samurai Bullets by Jimmy Palmiotti, Justin Grey, and Khari Evans." *Wolverine:* "C'mon, bub. You messed up the meme-" *Raiden:* "I am NOT hearing about this, again." *slices Logan into pieces* "Your memes end here!"
And that wasn't even Raidens whole kit. I doubt Mistral's polearm would have been of much use here but Sundowner's pincer blades and Monsoon's Sai would have been very useful here for brute cutting force and long range shock attacks. Also, Raiden carries both electrolyte and nano repair packs to heal himself and recharge his fuel cells when there are no other cyborgs around whose spines he could take.
Do we also add the Armor Breaker to his kit? Doktor mentions that whit the Patriots data from the Left Hands he can begin creating his masterpiece and the Sword is your reward for collecting them.
It literally doesn't even matter. Wolverine will never tire, murasama could only succeed in damaging adamantium to an infinitesimal degree at best, Wolverine's claws destroy murasama in a single blow, and Wolverine will not tire as Raiden needs to go for an oil change.
@@BoozyBeggarWolverine's claws can cut through anything but so can the vibro-blades. And Raiden has blocked other vibro-blades with this one. So the vibro-blades can definitely resist being cut by other hyper sharp materials. Its not a stretch to say it can block admantium claws too.
+Gnoggin two words, Silver Samurai. his ability charges his blade to cut through anything but apart from the disaster of a movie i won't name he's never been able to cut adamantium, Misty Knight's arm dissolved metal upon contact which is on a whole different level to HF blades.
wolverine did sever raidens arm at some point, and during the fight, raiden took several hits from wolverine. now I know you want them to show all their abilities, but wouldn't raidens injuries kill him before he could slice wolverine into bits? Or is it because raiden is a cyborg that he can survive long enough? Reason for thinking is that at the end it says that wolverine has more battle experience, so I think wolverine would go for the quick kill... course, it would've been a short battle then. on the other hand, one good hit with that sword and wolverine is dead, but wouldn't he have lost his arm the first time raiden struck his shoulder? I'm a bit confused now.
@puteqx well, there is a theory that “it has to be this way” is Raiden’s theme, don’t remember all the details but the song lists many details of his character and backstory, as well as Collective Consciousness playing instead of It Has to Be This Way during the Armstrong fight in the Jetstream Sam dlc
@puteqxwell depends. Soul can’t be cut is a good contender from mgr. But it could also be It Has To Be This Way since the lyrics work for Armstrong AND Raiden
Anyone else here after hearing about Raiden’s return to DB? Even after all these years, this one still holds up in animation quality; let’s see if Jack’s bout with Excalibur can breach the bar this one set.
[SPOILERS] well the animation was excellent, but imo....topping this episode's 3D fight is nigh impossible, ultimately it's just Torian's style that gave it (and other 3D fights in the earlier seasons) so much life.
One thing I really like about this fight that isn’t really talked about is that despite Raiden’s numerous advantages over Wolverine(including strength, speed and Raiden’s blade being able to cut through adamantium), it wasn’t until both were pushed to their limits that Raiden was actually able to kill him. Just shows how tough Wolverine’s skeleton is.
@@BoozyBeggar And yet, just like Misty Knight's artic Vibranium arm, the HF Blades, especially the more powerful ones like the Foc Blade, Pincer Blades Machetes Bloodlust, and V-T7 Murasama Blades can in fact cut through adamantium, but not instantly, kinda obviously because adamantium is far stronger than even carbon nanotubes, which is stronger than titanium, but Raiden has multiple VERY unique HF Blades like the Stun Blade, Armor Breaker, HF Longsword, etc, which can rival and even surpass the likes of the Murasama, and Jack's arsenal is more vast then this, because he has, pistols, machine guns, assault rifles, sub machine guns, rocket launchers, homing missiles, snipers, EMP/regular/special smoke/etc/grenades, etc, all with infinite ammo, from Snake's bandana, his Infinity Wigs, heck, Jack can even canonically save and load, has infinite stamina, multiple ways to heal himself, characters like Praying Mantis can even break the forth wall, etc, but the legendary bladed member of the X-Men is NEVER going down easy, and can even win in some circumstances, its just Jack has the means to pull it off more often then not, the Iron Wolverine gave it all and this fight was quite berserk, no matter how you Dimensionally ALIVE it, Jack has the Marvelous Gear to finish the mission, the winner is Jackson "The Ripper" Raiden.
@@BoozyBeggar Well now, that may be true, but Logan had been coated with beta adamantium, not TRUE adamantium, and even then, The Murasama Blade can actually split apart ATOMS, further proving that, with Jack being significantly more powerful and faster, though Logan is more experienced and skilled and the more durable of the two, Raiden with his bloodstained blade can in fact win, though most of the time, because Logan is NEVER going down easy, and could even win in some circumstances.
One thing I feel like they overlooked when measuring Raiden's strength is that he didn't just toss Metal Gear Ray...he tossed it WITH THE WORST POSSIBLE POINT OF LEVERAGE That would almost certainly increase the strength requirements than if he actually had good leverage to toss that thing by no small margine
Torque in a lever can be found by multiplying the force applied by length away from where the force is being applied. So, essentially take the weight of metal gear ray (over 1000 tons in this case) and multiply it by over a hundred due to the poor lever and you have raiden's strength. This would be a feat of 100,000 foot/tons of torque (they used weird units). Not only can Raiden flip a metal gear, but has the force to flip OVER A HUNDRED AT ONCE assuming 1:1 leverage. This is all in the un-upgraded cyborg suit.
I could genuinely see Raiden being a character in the Marvel universe along with Armstrong, they even feel like marvel characters despite not having much to do with superheros
I only wished that Raiden had said “Playtimes over” right before ending the fight, but, amazing fight and analysis. I mean, Raiden already beat Senator Armstrong, who is just Wolverine minus the claws. Nice detail of Wolverine getting increasingly staggered as Raiden built up a combo.
Adamantium is supposed to be indestructible, but the comics have made it quite destructible in many cases, so it depends on how much you quibble on their inconsistency.
Right? Wolverine should be supposed to have super durability yet he is always the one that gets the worst injuries or loses limbs or whatever like he was made of plastic and not adamantium only because he can regenerate
@@lepork519 hes never had super durability. Thats like stabbing someone in the leg but their impervious to it because they have a reinforced spine. The skeleton is inside him, its not armor. (I dont think)
Consider the Following, Raiden threw a metal gear Ray, then minutes later got dunked on by good ol Jetstream Sam, the Weakest brazillian Man. Sam did this with no cyber augments, it was all thanks to the fact that he was runnin that stank ass windows 95 puter
@@Poker2735 imagine a world raiden. Free of cancel culture. A world where nobody could call me out on my outlandish claims. A world where I can say the N word!
No, Wolverine with an Antarctic vibranium coated skeleton and claws would be far less durable. AV is *anti-metal*, not anti-all-materials. It's far weaker. Adamantium is universe-level strong, murasama is not, and murasama doesn't work anywhere near the same way that AV works. AV has to merely TOUCH metal and starts liquefying it. Murasama is made of normal Earthbound metals and vibrates to cut thru molecules, but adamantium is completely resilient at the molecular level, and can normally only be damaged by a piece of molecularly sharp adamantium (excepting AV, of course). Thor, at his BASE level, could destroy an entire galaxy. That's many billions of stars and probably 3-7 times that number of planets. Thor, wielding Mjolnir, which contains Tempest, an ancient elder god who has existed since the dawn of time, can *slightly dent* adamantium using *all his might* Wolverine's skeleton cannot be damaged to any great extent by murasama, and Wolverine's claws could cut thru murasama like a hot knife thru butter. Raiden would eventually tire, weaken, and need to be refueled, regardless of how strong or fast he is; Wolverine would just have to wait for that to happen. There's no scenario, when taking the actual in-lore descriptions of adamantium, enhanced murasama, Raiden at his most powerful, and Wolverine at his most powerful, where Raiden comes out of a fight with Wolverine alive. Wolverine with his adamantium claws literally has the ability to destroy entire 3D universes if he so chose.
@@ratchet2007 I played it casually and enjoyed the gameplay and story instead of being a completionist tryhard. You don’t have to save much Pu$$y. You don’t have any to save.
@@Name_man Hey, git gud you mad n000b. Instead of writing sh1t like that and playing games "casually" and "enjoying the story (which is 100% possible for a completionist too btw , s1lly as) " you should work on your ability to understand a joke
@@justinalicea1590 if stan lee wanted spiderman to beat hulk in arm wrestling he would have done that, even if everyone thinks this is wrong. That is why videos like these make no sense because it's just your interpretation
@@andreagamba1638 And he could, the same way that Spider-Man has defeated Hulk before: tell a sudden joke so funny that Hulk is forced to laugh, meaning he no longer is angry and turns into Bruce Banner again. Or Hulk isn't angry enough or willing to get angry enough to actually beat Spider-Man, particularly since Hulk has rather enjoyed Spider-Man's company in the past and the fact that their difference in size makes it extremely difficult to properly do an arm wrestle. Yes, a writer can make up whatever they want. But when they have re-established power levels and events, the writers have to start playing to a canon. This is why Spider-Man and his all powerful Spider-Sense can still have trouble directly fighting Captain America or Wolverine: his personal code and personality makes it hard for him to go all out. Which is why when Doctor Octopus takes over Peter's body and calls himself the Superior Spider-Man, he can absolutely lay out Wolverine with no effort or ability for Wolverine to fight back. Just as Doc finds out the hard way by nearly killing Scorpion in one punch how much Peter holds back in combat for the safety of his enemies.
@@Plazmasoldier I believe this was also the comic where he had a magic crystal that basically made him unkillable and able to regenerate from a drop of blood
in the comics, wolverine healed and regenerated from a single drop of his own blood. Wolverine explained to Horde (the guy who ripped his heart out and killed him) that his healing factor, and therefore, his will to live inhabited every cell in his body.
It‘s just so you can play better. Where’s the fun if you can just annihilate everything with two attacks? And you can’t make the speed of your character too high because no one could react that fast
Tergart Cunninghan MCU thanos technically has had the infinite gauntlet. Plus, even without, MCU thanos scales to beings who are stronger then small town level.
Twenty-Fifth Well, he has the Infinity Gauntlet if we’re giving him time. As he didn’t just OBTAIN this thing. Granted, Raiden didn’t just BECOME a ninja badass...but it’s not exactly an item. The Infinity Gauntlet, on the other hand, took time and effort to assemble. And Thanos, from what we have seen, is indeed physically quite powerful...but Raiden is no pushover. Such as when he throws around giant mechs the size of large buildings, one of which is probably small town level (Excelsus). And he’s without much doubt faster, just overall (Such as his introduction feat at the very start of MGR’s Intro Mission, with the shipping crates). So, without the Infinity Gautlet, I really cant see him defeating Raiden. It’s just a matter of Raiden’s overall speed and precision that would make this fight much less interesting. However, if we’re talking about COMIC Thanos, then yeah, Raiden is screwed both ways.
That was one of the most amazing fights ever. I was ready for either one to win, but I was rooting for Raiden. I loved that ya'll had fitting music for the fight. It didn't even feel like this was fanmade stuff, it just felt legit. Nice job.
One significant problem Wolverine's healing factor is stronger than Deadpools so even with his head cut up into little bitty pieces he would still come back
I love both characters and even if you disagree with the outcome, you gotta admit this fight still holds up as one of the best animated even years later
@@Shaggy87781 I would also recommend Iron Man vs Luthor and maybe Hulk vs Doomsday if you can get over Hulk's bad model for extremely good 3D animated stuff from DB and I would recommend Knuckles vs Dk and Sigma and Ultron for older sprite battles
@@kennymack1427 Nothing about raiden from the jaw down is organic, so there is nothing “vital” to stab. He’s honestly been beaten far worse than this in his game.
I was riding Wolverine back then when this match-up was released.. looking back on it this is a pretty good fight. Very underrated one too. Raiden is one badass character.
"We dug deep into marvel comics to find someone no one knows with an antarctic vibranium arm" bro Black Panthers claws are antarctic vibranium you didn't have to look that hard
I never played the other Metal Gear games, but he even says “Not Again!” When he got it cut off by Sam, so I’m pretty sure that wasn’t the first time he lost his arm.
@@Dovahkiin106 it's the 5th time he loses an arm in the metal gear series Both from torture and experimentation and being put into a cyborg body One from cutting his own arm off because it was crushed under rubble Another from being crushed by a 100 million ton ship And one from Sam
The spine is comprised of multiple vertebrae held together by several ligaments, so even if Raiden's sword couldn't cut through adamantium, he could still separate Wolverine's head from his body by cutting between his vertebrae
Raiden's blade, Muromasa, targets things on a molecular level, which makes it able to cut most things, so I guess you could say Raiden *cut him down* to size. 1 year later edit: wow. lots of typos in this comment. and lots of drama in the comments, lol. and all it took was a cheesy joke.
@@michaeltyson0588 uhhh yes they did? Raiden had no chance against a man who’s had training for almost 3 centuries. Let’s not forget he’s able to tag speed demon (faster than the speed of light). I doubt raiden can do any of those.
I think that after two Superman v. Goku battles, fans have learned to accept that Wiz and Boomstick know what they are talking about and consider everything
Logic Meister hahaha . . .haha . . . no that's not true. For one, fanboys will NEVER let that Goku v Superman fight go. they won't stop until Goku becomes strong enough to win, which completely defeats the point of Death Battle. for another, Death Battle isn't ALWAYS accurate. . . .case in point, Toph vs. Gaara. But this is an outcome I can agree on. I was curious what they would dig up to prove that Raiden's sword can cut Wolverine's bones.
well being a rational wolverine fan I thought first well raided does not stand a chance but then after the facts were shown I was dam well it seems a bit unfair for wolverine I'll be surprised and happy if he won
+TomboTime The way I see it, Raiden's skill with a blade is probably precise enough to target the gap between Wolverine's vertebrae, so even if the blade couldn't cut adamantium, Raiden is still capable of killing Wolverine.
+SiebenTageHatDieWoche Dr. Manhattan würde Superman in ner sekunde ausradiern XD ....du vergleichst den physisch stärksten comicbuch charakter mit nem Gott...leichter mismatch :D
Adding to Raiden's speed, during the Monsoon fight rain drops STOPPED completely while in blade mode and ripper mode, meaning he likely moves faster than light its self in ripper mode!
The raindrop exhibit doesn't give him FTL properties, I believe. It just gives him speed that is very much beyond the speed of sound. Still, that's VERY DAMN FAST.
How it would've actually gone down. Raiden: it's impressive how quickly you take those things down, that's definitely not steel. Wolverine: Here to give me pointers kid? Raiden: Pointers? Haha! As if you need them... I know an animal when I see one! I'm the same, seems we're both on a better path..... I can guess you're black ops, so you don't need to reveal your mission, just the direction you're headed. Wolverine: **smiles** you know what kid? I like you.... let's talk...
eliborio camacho Did you say.... Blob? Sorry been watching the X-Men movies to get hype for the Dark Phoenix movie. The movie is said to be bad, but I think it’ll be a guilty pleasure to me.
Lol , I guess he does , but it's probably an animating error , cinda like how something is reflective before even adding reflective effects (I'm not an animator , so I don't know , but I did hear that ranimator (when he made batim amv (animation music video) , he said he didn't even know that ink demon was reflective untill he started rendering).
You guys didn’t even mention that if he replaces his hair with a red wig he gets infinite Riper mode also he has a shock blade that stuns and he has sundowner, mistral and monsoons weapons
Making the mother of all omelets Jack! Can't fret over every egg. Also note Senator Armstrong's use of nanomachines trumped Vamp's WHO'S NANOMACHINES COULD RESERCUT HIM FROM THE GRAVE.
