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The reply you get will be something along the lines of. Sorry by letting the camera take your picture you agree to forced abritation in the state of hawaii. 😂
That's the part that gets me, these are non law enforcement enforcing the law, with permission. I don't think anyone ever voted for private or public companies to be able to enforce laws against them. To me it's a way for the state to avoid it's own responsibilities by contacting it out.
The human intervention was a human who simply placed a stapler on the enter key, to approve all tickets automatically, and then was scrolling on the phone the rest of the say.
This is becoming more and more an important intermediate factor, Western intelligence is collapsing and with it goes our sophisticated, advanced civilization!!!
I don't know if it's really about competence either. Anyone looking at those ticket pictures looks at hundreds of those pictures a day. They also have to go through a certain amount of pictures in a certain amount of time. How tedious that must be.
In Ohio, you can basically ignore it PER COLUMBUS. The Republicans in the legislature gutted the idea of those cameras y saying any money the entity gets they lose their tax money's from the state... They have also said those tickets carry no weight on your license, AND the credit agencies WILL NOT put them on your credit report. ONE mayor or state legislature said burn the tickets and ignore them... The city could file a small claims suit against you... THEY WONT...
You don't have to appeal it to a private company. It's traffic ticket, so you can pay it or you can plead not guilty and have a trial. In this case it should theoretically be easier to send an email to the company, telling them to look at the picture and then expunge it.
I had a similar experience last summer. I got a notice from the Oklahoma department of transportation that I owed tolls (I have not been there and live in southern central Texas). The notice came complete with a picture... of a totally different car with a totally different license plate. The incompetence on display is mindboggling! Artificial intelligence is not intelligent... and neither is government.
I got an average speed ticket once. It's not that the speed was average, in fact it was.. extraordinary, but it's the calculated average speed between two cameras capturing your plate. 519 Km/h (322 MPH). They were kind enough to provide both pictures with the summons. Obviously, one of them was not my car; different make, different color, different body style, different license plate (not even close). But still, until I pointed that out, my car was officially the fastest street legal vehicle in the country. I have a sneaking suspicion no human actually looked at those pictures.
In Brazil a few years ago, one guy got a ticket for going 70 km/h in a 40km/h zone. The photograph on the ticket showed him parked and unloading his pick-up. Once it got the media's attention, the authorities claimed it was a mistake. No it wasn't - it was corruption.
Makes you wonder how many people got hit with a false ticket when they were actually going the speed limit, but had no way to fight it because you can't easily tell speed from a still photograph.
The camera trigger is a simple radar. A passing bird will trigger it, but often not show on the picture. Man unloading his pickup was probably caught by a small bird.
at this time YOUR police force is hiding behind bridges to catch speeders. THATS the most inefficience use of manpower that could be used for, i dont know, REAL police work. Everybody uses cameras without problems, except the US, like in every sector of industry, the US cant build maschines if their life depends on it. bombs who shoot out the right eye of an ant, no problem, everything else, eh, dont working.
The idea that the police privatized ticketing is what really bothers me. THEY have the authority to issue civil fines, not some company that operates cameras.
If you think that's bad wait until you find out intelligence agencies can pay private companies to spy on you because those companies aren't the government and the 4th amendment doesn't specifically say they can't do that. Personally I think it IMPLIES they can't do that, but until the law is changed that's what we live with.
Lawsuits cost more money than they were asking for, and they're operating in a town where people are poor. I'm fairly certain that's not a coincidence. Add in that local police won't touch it, and a faceless entity is demanding money while making threats against your driving record, and this thing walks, quacks, and stinks like a scam.
My husband got pulled over by an officer for going 80 into town, according to the speed logging sign posted at the edge of town. The officer walked up to the windos and said ''you know why i pulled you over today?'' ''Honestly, sir, i have no idea.'' ''Well, neither do i. I've never seen a train trigger one of those speed signs before.'' If a human can make that mistake, i certainly do not trust a machine to make the final judgment.
There was a story not long ago about a man who got multiple tickets for running a red light while his car was parked in front of his house, but within range of the automated camera. A look at the photos showed his car was obviously parked and it was another car in the photo that had run the light. In at least one case, it was a police car.
@@SmittyAZ That would be in the news "all the time". Never once have I read a positive story about private prisons. Go ask a bunch of kids in Pennsylvania.
@@newshodgepodge6329 Yes it is. Judge all things by the fruits of their labor. If the fruits of their labor is causing this... then that is what they wanted. Wasting time on arbitrating over what "intentions" are is pointless. All it does is "invite disaster". Once a person steps over the line and is unwilling to repent... wash your hands of them, the are you enemy.
@@newshodgepodge6329 "an act" is "pretend". You said "It's not an act." which means you are saying they are not pretending. And because they are pretending it is definitely an act. You may have intended something else, and that is fine we all make mistakes, but I can only go by what you have written.
Fun fact, oil based paint with sand mixed into it is nearly impossible to sufficiently clean off camera lenses without damaging it to the point of having to be replaced.
They reported a vandalized local speed camera on TV. I had to laugh when some people they interviewed on the street were griping that tax payers would have to pay to repair the camera. No, some of the thousands and thousands of dollars they are raking in from the cash cow will pay for repairing it.
In Texas this sort of thing was fought on a constitutional basis and overturned. You have a constitutional RIGHT to face your accuser ina court of law. The camera isn't going to show up in court as a witness. A police officer who viewed the photo isn't a witness because he didn't actually see the reported crime. It therefore is heresay. Photos can be doctored, altered, AI generated. They do not necessarily reflect reality.
“Refute the fine with the company that operates the camera.” I’m willing to bet a month’s pay that the company is NOT a governmental agency. It is the government who gives out the tickets and it is the government’s responsibility to correct this gross miscarriage of justice.
The ones in DC and Maryland are contracted out. Some localities in Virginia are considering adding speed cameras that will be contracted out too. Even some of the toll plazas in VA are run by private corporations.
@@petertimmins6657 I didn't say it was a fine. States are contracting them out instead of using its DoT. In Hampton Roads, avoiding the tolls requires spending more on gas than the toll.
My sister's in-law was sitting at an intersection in the city of Chicago when a cement truck turned a corner and rolled on her. She was hospitalized and her car was towed. She received toll violations when the scanner showed her licence plate going through the tolls. Unbeknownst to her the tickets /fees accumulated enough to get her license suspended because she was recovering from her injuries. She found out about the suspension when she was driving and thrown in jail for driving on a suspended !!!
Reminds me of stories where they 'tuned' yellow lights so much so they can get more people running red lights that the light timing itself was unsafe...
Chicago had this not that long ago where yellow was below legal limit for that reason. For that reason I will not turn on red even if legal by a camera and I will slam on my breaks at even a hint of yellow.
This is almost as bad as my friend's parents experience when they were charged tolls because their totaled van with their EZ Pass transponder still in it, was being transported after they relinquished ownership to the insurance company. They tried to fight it but were basically told if they didn't pay then they would loose their EZ Pass account and it would cost more to involve a lawyer than the toll charge. The thing that gets me in this case is why the woman can't simply check the "plead innocent" box on the ticket, send it back, and have the case heard by a traffic court judge? After seeing the picture, no judge is going to enforce the charge.
Here's my problem with it. Under NO circumstances should a police action be privatized. Neither should the dispute process. If I get issued a citation by an entity that is authorized by the city, I should be able to go to the city to resolve said citation and not a 3rd party. Second, if an entity had its authorization revoked or they were removed, then they should not be allowed to continue to issue citations. A police officer can't arrest people after they have been fired, the same should apply to a camera
Hummm… Sue the camera company for: 1- illegal camera practice. The second that camera was voted removed and passed in a law by the city council, its presence was illegal. 2- forgery. They falsely claimed to have legal authority to do this. 3- fraud. I’m pretty sure their contract require some form of verification process that wasn’t done. 4- racketeering. It was done without any legal due process for money. …
@@irtheLeGiOn I like where I live, this shit is banned because of this exact reason. You can't prove guilt with a lot of these as they ASSUME that the person driving owns the car, and that is simply not always the case. The court case that got these banned was due to a friend driving the car but the guy who owned it, who never broke the law, was the one fined and got a strike against his license. Needless to say, it was found to break both state and federal law to use them as no license was ran.
There are no good reasons for speed cameras, even if they are administered perfectly. We need to be very clear in our opposition to this type of overreach.
We have them a lot in Europe. I wouldn't mind if they set them up in places with more accidents or high risk zones (as in front of schools and retirement homes). But surprise, surprise almost all of them are in places that have one thing in common: people tend to go faster there because the road conditions allow it. A single camera can bring in millions, so no small wonder there.
@@Megabear90 Excellent example. Speed cameras are always administered in an exploitative manner - it's just more security theater for a profit. Speed is almost never true causal factor in accidents; its unskilled and distracted drivers with short tempers and shorter attention spans. I also agree that their only sensible use may be in school zones, but only if explicitly marked. The goal of traffic enforcement should be to encourage safety, NOT to generate revenue! I feel for you fine folks in Europe who have to put up with them.
I just thought of a potential harmless use for them... It would just involve using them as an informational tool only, they could monitor intersections to show what ones could use some heavier actual patrolling (without collecting or disseminating any personal info) That's about all I got on this.
This reminds me of a Steven Wright joke. He was talking about hitching across the country... "Within three minutes I got picked up by one of those huge trailer trucks carrying 20 brand new cars. I climbed up the side of the cab and opened the door. The guy said, "I don't have much room up here, why don't you get into one of the cars out back." So I did. And he was really into picking people up because he picked up 19 more. We all had our own cars. Then he went 90 miles per hour and we all got speeding tickets."
I once was charged for a tollway where my car was on a flatbead after it was totalled in a wreck. When i called and disputed the charge, they told me they are aware the flat beds purposely locate thier plate to be obscured by cars on the flatbed, and due to this, they thought the charge was legitimate... i had to explain to a supervisor how insane this practice is. They told me it was my responsibilty to remove my plate at the scene of an accident. How absurd.
@@codetech5598 You can just cover a couple letters - - but hard to do if severely injured. Also remembering to remove the transponder is pretty low on the priority list if you're bleeding out.
Something like this happened to me once, about 30 years ago. It was a parking ticket not a moving violation. I was mailed a parking ticket from Seattle PD, but it was for a vehicle that didn't match the vehicle I owned. The vehicle description was some kind of sedan, but my vehicle was a Chevy van. Even more to the point, however, was that my van had been sent to a wrecking yard and destroyed some months before. Obviously the parking officer had put down the wrong license plate. I tried to contact Seattle PD or municipal court about it, but they refused to see the reasoning and told me that I had to show up at court to dispute it. In other words, I had to take time off work, drive 70 miles to Seattle, all so I could dispute the obvious paperwork error. So I just paid the ticket. It has annoyed me for the past 30 years, every time I have thought about it. Steve's story here just reminded me all over again. Thanks, Steve! 😂
Before the court date and after the ticket is issued, the matter is not in the hands of police (they are done after ticket is issued) nor the court (they have not received the case yet). It is in the hands of public prosecutor (or what is the name in US, DA ?) who decides whether to prosecute you or not. This is who you should try to contact and tell him that he does not have a case
@@dmitripogosian5084 I don't believe this is true for minor traffic violations in the US. I don't think prosecutors are involved at all as they are not criminal cases. If it was a DUI or something like that it would be different. My understanding is that for minor traffic violations, they go from the police directly to traffic court.
Wasn't there a supreme court case that found these cameras to be unconstitutional? I think I remember hearing that years ago. The main issue with these cameras as you said is that there is no supervision. The next one is that it doesn't care who was driving. They see a plate and it issues a ticket. If your car was stolen it is assumed that the car owner is the guilty party. In this specific case it was an unmanned vehicle on a flatbed. Which is insane. The fact that the owner has to go to multiple places to attempt to dispute the claim is ridiculous. It's a government issued fine. She should only have to talk to the government.
Traffic cameras are a state issue. I’m in one of the unfortunate states where the state Supreme Court has ruled that cameras don’t violate our due process rights. I disagree, but until our supreme courts rule differently, that’s all the farther it can go.
@brianwatson6002 All state government actions that take your life, liberty or property are subject to the federal Constitution, e.g., 14th Amendment Due Process.
@@professorwiggins3290 that may be, but camera tickets aren’t actual tickets which is why they don’t appear on your driving record. They don’t hinder your freedom in any way. Because of this the 4th Amendment doesn’t apply. That’s not just me saying that, it’s the State of Iowa Supreme Court’s ruling. Because driving licenses and offenses are a state’s rights issue, once the state Supreme Court rules, that’s the end.
@brianwatson6002 The 4th Amendment applies to all state actions. But my point was not the 4th Amendment, it was the 14th. Any government action that takes your life, liberty, or property is subject to Due Process considerations. No state gets to claim "states rights" to exempt themselves from the US Constitution.
@@professorwiggins3290 again, you’re missing the point. The state Supreme Court ruled that your rights are NOT violated. If you get a camera ticket in the state of Iowa, and you plan on claiming that your due process, the 4th or 14th amendments were violated, you’re going to lose. It is in fact a state’s rights situation.
I know someone who received a ticket from such a system in one of the NE part of the US. It was from a state he wasn't in at the time of the incident. The citation showed a photo of the BLACK VAN and pulled up the registration information for the plate number it read, so all the info about this person's WHITE CAR was provided on the same sheet of paper. The failure to review was SO obvious, since the difference was LITERALLY Black and White (and Van vs. Car). He circled the description and the photo and sent it back. I drove through Illinois to get to a site where the total solar eclipse could be viewed. There were multiple construction zones along the way. I don't live in that state, but I saw that they had the normal drop in the speed limit, but their limit was originally posted at 55 mph that I'm used to for interstate highway construction zones, but then it dropped to 45 mph a very short distance later, but that sign indicated that it was photo enforced. I'm used to the distances for dropping speeds being announced enough in advance that if I take my foot off the gas (and ensure cruise control is disabled), then my car drops in speed almost exactly at the right rate to not have to hit the brake to achieve the desired speed in the normal distance. When I saw 55 mph, I coasted down. But then I saw 45 mph photo enforced. I'm not used to having to brake for such changes, because they normally provide more notice and maintain a higher speed than that. I didn't know if it was enforced 24-7 or if it was just while workers were present, which they weren't in most/all cases. I then wondered if perhaps the 45 mph speed allowed them to have a margin of 10 mph or something, such that the system would then issue citations if you were above what I would think of as the more typical 55 mph limit in such zones. It was very lacking in information. After the eclipse, tons of traffic reached those spots. It already tends to bottleneck a bit, but each of those zones came to a crawl. If you have to brake to meet the posted limits with a warning of a system that could enforce it more strictly than it likely does, that braking causes a chain reaction and causes single-digit speeds to result. It made Illinois traffic much worse than it had to be after such an event that already tends to cause bad traffic conditions.
The city of East Cleveland is the poorest city in the Cleveland area, and they sometimes default on their salt bill in the winter and get refused delivery by companies. These tickets are not a criminal matter in Ohio, but a purely civil matter, and regulated like parking tickets. Not a crime, no points on license, and other than a small chance of a lawsuit, no consequences for not paying. So, suing a broke city for requesting money without any real enforcement mechanism is probably not that productive.
Make it a class action lawsuit against the city, police department, state, camera company and its board members, and city council members. This ticket and probably many others were fraudulent and clearly unjust enrichment. The camera company should have to produce all tickets that they have written and proof that they are legitimate or a refund for those drivers with interest.
Back in the mid-2000s, Duncanville, TX implemented a traffic cam system that was operated by a private entity. Over 80% of the issued citations were legal right-on-reds. The problem is that the citation was $75. To challenge it in court, it cost $75 to subpoena the video from the company. So if you challenged and won, you still lost $75. If you challenged and lost, it cost you $150. Eventually, the Texas Supreme Court shutdown the operation.
They probably want you to fight the ticket, pay $75 directly to them that they probably don't need to share with anyone else. The citation might need to be shared.
Where I live red light cameras became widespread almost overnight and were used for about a decade or so. They then disappeared almost overnight as well. I looked into this out of curiosity and the maim reason is drivers became so honest the private companies running and maintaining these cameras were no longer profitable enough for them to keep them active so let them deteriorate into disrepair. They then became an eyesore and were eventually removed altogether and replaced with trees, signs, artwork... I distinctively remember because the city contracted me to interpret a court case where the driver disputed a ticket but spoke no English. Hard to find a French speaking person in this part of the country I guess 😅
That's the problem with policing for profit. Cameras are failing if they make a profit. Red light/ speed etc cameras should only go where there have been or it is very likely that there will be accidents caused by jumping the lights etc. They should be sign posted so that people do not do the dangerous thing.
The person who signed the ticket committed PERJURY. The person signing the ticket is testifying that they have probable cause of an "infraction"(hence the PERJURY charge).
Looking at those images all day would make people switch off at times. It is not reasonable to expect a person to spot all the stupid things so there would be no intent.
@@johnclements6614Not good enough. People could get their licenses revoked for errors like this. And this could cause real hardship to some families. If the workload is to much employ more operatives...
@@johnclements6614 you can be bound to contracts you didnt read when you sign them lets not make a double standard for cops throwing around 200 exportation demands
@@stuartd9741 Whats not good enough. Is it people do not want to take personal responsibility to pay for things provided by the government so the government introduced policing for profit. This has corrupted the police and dividing society. I would agree . Is it people making mistakes in boring repetitive jobs. If this is what is not good enough how do you expect people to do this job without switching off. Is it the failure to provide a free and easy appeals process. I would agree.
Truly about revenue generation. Years ago my city wanted to get speed cameras for "safety". The provincial government said that the city could install them, but not keep any of the revenue generated. The city decided we wouldn't get speed cameras. So it wasn't about revenue generation? Sure. That was years ago, and since then the provincial government has changed it's tune, city gets to keep much of the revenue, and the cameras keep popping up all over. They helped so much with revenue generation, I mean safety, that the city decide to get more this year. And if there is a problem with a ticket, don't go to the city to get it resolved. At least there are no demerit points against your license if you are nabbed, since they can't prove who was driving.
@@AC-yj8cx there's a big difference because police is not profit-driven. Funding, whether by fines or taxes, does not go directly into the Chief's pockets. (well, it's not supposed to 😂)
Steven Wright did a comedy bit about this 30 years ago or so. He told a story about being picked up by a car carrier while hitchhiking and was told by the driver to just climb into one of the cars. The driver picked up 5 more people. He was caught going 90 mph and they all got tickets.
Hey steve.. I keep getting bills from the PA turnpike for a vehicle jumping tolls. I get tons of photos with pics of a vehicle i NEVER owned, NEVER registered, NEVER insured, $10 toll each time, dozens of times. Ive been to my local police to file complaints, been to the state police to file complaints, i filed complaints with my county sheriff, I've been to my local state representative and senator to file complaints. The turn pike claims thier not responsible for what penndot tells them and pendot claims the information they supply is infallible. Getting collection notices and suspension notices every few weeks.... I'm waiting to get yanked, and arrested for the real fun to start. I'm a retired senior citizen. 😮
@@captianmorgan7627 Thanks, I'm waiting for knocks on my door anytime now. I also am prepared to get yanked for license suspension for non payment. I retained an attorney to jump into action the day I'm harassed at home or arrested for driving under suspension. It has become a game I'm willing to Play, being a senior I have zero flight reflex, I'm left with only fight reflex. I put a freeze on my credit reports even though there hasn't been any issues yet. I've been carrying commissary money with me too 24/7.
This sort of happened to me. I had a custom plate that someone replicated and drove with. I received about 12 tickets of various type: red light, speeding, parking etc. I had to appeal each ticket in the court they were issued in. You’d think someone would look at the tickets and quash them upon request but nope you must follow the lengthy legal process. It took me 3 years and 6 zoom calls (various court dates) to have the tickets withdrawn. There is no common sense to the court process. You need to wait 2-3 years just to have someone with the power to withdraw the charges to actually do it. I filed formal complaints against all of the “officers” that issued the tickets as the plate was affixed to a motorcycle which in my province do not allow customized wording: only cars do. They should have known right away the plate was bogus. This was my defence btw: zoom call: “here is my evidence judge: it’s a motorcycle plate and there are no vanity plates for motorcycles in this province. Puzzled look from judge. Ticket withdrawn!” What a scam these systems are. They serve the purses of the municipalities and ticketing companies and not the public they are entrusted to protect.
"we will only put it up around construction zones" its amazing how many construction zones pop up all over the state suddenly, like the ones where they put up the pole up for the cameras...
I find it that the big concern here was that the police could not refut the ticket but the person had to go to a private company. Since when are we privatizing policeing?
That would cost even more money. No, sue the Government, force the government to pay all legal fees, and force them to ban the VERY CONCEPT of Cameras being allowed to "AI Controlled of Enforcing the laws" If an OFFICER wants to sit there for 12 hours and review the footage. Then give the Tickets to the DRIVERS and not illegally to the CAR. Then ok. But them assigning it to the Car is illegal and Unconstitutional. And an AI does NOT Have the AUTHORITY nor RIGHT to enforce the law!
How would you prove that they had not just blanked from being given a mind numbly boring job. Imagine doing picture captcha all day with far less variety in the pictures. The idea that a person will not make mistakes in this sort of job is unrealistic.
@@johnclements6614 Then there should be a free appeal process that adds no additional fees or costs to the person ticketed nor require their presence just a short written statement about the reason for appeal. There should also be a possible fine paid to the person ticketed if they have to contest it to the point that it requires them showing up to court with the error being glaringly obvious. Say equal to the amount that the ticket would collect.
@@johnclements6614 The problem with cops and the legal system at large "making mistakes" is that they come at the cost of time money and stress of the citizens at the end of the barrel.
Traffic cams in Italy were removed INSTANTLY when a local politician was pictured on the front page of a newspaper with his girlfriend, caught by a traffic cam
This is the stupidity that comes with the idea that your vehicle can break the law, instead of the operator breaking the law. The government had to engage in such illogic, in order to use technology to detect violations, instead of people. If a cop cites the driver, he has the driver's license to prove who was operating the vehicle. If a machine detects the violation, it can't confirm who was driving, so they issue the ticket to the owner. It violates due process, and should be unconstitutional.
I'm now picturing the courtroom scene: camera and machine in the witness chair, attorney in the well asking questions. No response. "Your Honor, permission to treat the witness as hostile?" "Granted." Still no response. "The Witness must answer the question, assert a privilege, or be held in contempt." No response. "Bailiff, detain the witness." ::giggle-snort::
Cogley would tell you the same thing: _And I repeat! I speak of rights! A machine has none. A man must! My client has the right to face his accuser. And if you do not grant him that right, you have brought us down to the level of the machine. Indeed, you have elevated that machine above us. I ask that my motion be granted. And more than that, gentlemen, in the name of a humanity fading in the shadow of the machine, I demand it. I demand it!_ From STAR TREK (TOS): "Court Martial" with Elisha Cook Jr as Kirk's defence lawyer.
I got one ticket from a camera in the past, in the included photo was my vehicle turning the corner, the flagman waving me through the turn, and the workman with the traffic light itself ON THE GROUND while they were working on it at the intersection. I was looking forward to taking it to court but they dismissed the ticket when they shut down the red light camera program before the court date.
Most likely there was/is someone overseeing the process. Their job is to ensure that as many tickets (money makers) go out. They depend on people "JUST" paying the ticket. For many people, it cost way more to take the day off (no pay, or maybe use vacation time AKA Paid Time Off PTO), drive to court, pay for parking for several hours up to a half day. And hope the judge dismisses the case and does NOT charge them court cost. In some areas, if you go to court, you are still responsible for paying court cost, which can be as much as the ticket itself. You took up the court's time, someone is paying for the judge's and staff's time, which is you, not the officer (in this case, not the camera). Example: fighting a $100 ticket. you're paid $20/hour, take half a day off 4 hours work x $20 = $80, add parking $2 per hours x 5 hours = $10. Then get slapped with a $50 to $100 court cost. Your cost to fight the ticket: $80 loss in pay + $10 parking + $50 to $100 court cost = $140 to $180 on a $100 ticket. (this does not include travel time, gas and wear and tear on your car) Most people, especially low income and minimum wage people will just pay the ticket. They do not have the extra money at the time and are not thinking on how it is going to affect their car insurance over the next 3 to 5 years.
Within the last year, I had my car towed to my mechanic, and the tow driver took a local toll road. My plate was seen by the toll cameras and I was billed. I tried disputing the bill with the toll company and was told, effectively, to pound sand.
Sue them in small claims court, they likely will not show, and the process is cheap. Pay to have them served, and all the costs from losing the day pay wise as well. Case comes up, present your side, then get a default judgement against them, and send a demand letter. They pay or you have the court attach goods to cover the debt, easy enough to attach the cash at the local toll booth.
I would assume EZPass. We had a truck we were adding to the account and they still fined us with an account; 50$ fine plus the tolls on 3 separate occasions. So, 150$ + the 6$ in tolls...
@@SeanBZA So, either let a company steal from you or jump through a bunch of hoops and pay money out of pocket and waste your own time to keep them from stealing form you? That's a dystopia right there pal.
I am a white male, 71 yrs old, and drive 1999 red extended Ford F-150. In 0ctober 2014 I received in the mail a citation from the California DPS from a red light camera in LA for running a red light at 9:18 pm. I live and work in Texas and at the time was working the night shift (6:pm-6:am) at refinery that requires the workers to badge in at the gate and every unit and buildings a person enters during their shift. I am still trying to get California to drop the charges, expunge my record, and admit they are wrong. The reason given from California is that I waited too long(past 90 days).to challenge the ticket. The procedure California uses to notify me takes 5-6 months for person out of state to be notified. By the way the vehicle in the photo that shows running the red light is a 2014-2018 white Chevy Tahoe.
I remember the one person who kept getting tickets because the cameras kept recording his parked car in front of his house. He kept having to go to court to fight them. Is crazy
On interstate 80 in Pennsylvania a 39 Buick coupe going over 70 miles an hour westbound, backwards. The problem of course was that I was driving the flatbed with the antique car on the bed backwards bringing it from New York city to Brookville Pennsylvania.
We live in Oroville CA, we received a ticket for my daughter care running a tollbooth 400 miles away in southern California. They sent a picture of the license plate. It was pretty obvious that the numbers didn't match. My wife called a number on the notice and explained it wasn't her car based on the numbers and that we lived 400 miles north. She also told them that at that time of day she was in school. We had to get a letter from the school to prove she was there in class. We never heard anymore from them, thankfully.
Listening to oversea lawyers explain traffic cases, I am GLAD we do not have AI cameras in full effect in the states yet. If they can blame a person's vehicle on a flatbed, how many more false tickets will come out? From people propping their heads up with a hand, a wallet on the seat, to a water bottle have all been found to be "electrical devices in use while driving" or some variation.
Steve, I enjoyed this because it happened to me. I live in Indiana and haven't been out west since 1968 when I visited relatives in Lake Tahoe. So a few years ago I get a speeding ticket from some small town in southern California, where I've never been. It took a few letters which didn't get a response and a few phone calls to convince them it wasn't me. A person then looked at the film and said the machine transposed a number on my Indiana license plate. So I agree with you, these automatic speed cameras have more to do with fleecing the public out of their money than any safety purpose. A company that runs these systems has a financial interest in issuing more tickets, only government should be able to fleece the public, not a for profit company. 🙂
"I headed for the highway and began hitching. Within three minutes I got picked up by one of those huge trailer trucks carrying 20 brand new cars. I climbed up the side of the cab and opened the door. The guy said, "I don't have much room up here, why don't you get into one of the cars out back." So I did. And he was really into picking people up because he picked up 19 more. We all had our own cars. Then he went 90 miles per hour and we all got speeding tickets." --Steven Wright
Had the same thing car on the back of the tow truck, got charged for tole road. I had the company pull up the picture, they agreed my car was on a tow truck but I was still liable for the change. I told them to take me to court to collect, charge disappeared.
These speeding camera companies saying they have humans monitor these things is as funny as RU-vid when youtube says "a human reviewed your copyright strike.".
Hi Steve, I once got a ticket from parking enforcement. Their parking signs were not readable. They were completely sun bleached I couldn't tell if it said 2 hrs or 20 minutes. I disputed the ticket, they told me basically "tough luck". It's all a scam. The cities need money and this the way they make it. Giving out tickets, creating speed traps (for example going down hill in a street), etc. BTW this was in the city of Compton.
In the UK, we had similar problem when a woman was fined for an ultra low emissions zone transgression, with her car that was actually on a flatbed, she had previously sold the car for disposal.
I had something similar happen to me on a Kansas toll road. I have a K-Tag pass, but the checkpoint I rolled through detected my trailer as a second vehicle and I was assessed a fine for "failing to pay" the toll. Meanwhile the tag on my truck was properly registered. If I recall correctly the photo of the trailer tag did not have my truck in view, but you'd think the system would be smart enough to look at timestamps and recognize a towed vehicle/trailer. Thankfully a phone call to K-Tag sorted it out quickly and painlessly.
Steve - Ohio is one of several states where these camera tickets are not enforceable. They do not go on your driving record, don’t impact registration, nor cannot be sent to collections. The only thing which COULD happen is if the local municipality takes you to court and wins a judgement. But to do that, they would have to serve you properly with the ticket and first class mail doesn’t count, so responding by contesting is a bad idea since you acknowledge receipt. Plus given the tickets here are $200 max (school zone) the economics isn’t there. There are zero cases in the state of Ohio where this has happened. You can see a few stories about Ohio traffic camera tickets here on Y-Tube by searching.
I agree with you. San Diego had to remove a traffic light ticket generator, because it was found that you could enter on a green but not make it through completely and receive a ticket. Bye bye!
I remember several years back seeing a story where a red light camera sent a ticket on a vehicle that was being thrown around by a tornado or hurricane. The other problem with the camera tickets is they often cost more to contest than to pay. I got hit for a legal right turn on red once, but I was doing consulting at the time with no PTO and I calculated that taking the day off to go to court would cost me way more than the ticket.
Had a similar issue. Wifes van got a toll violation, and when we checked the picture it was on the back of a flatbed wrecker when we were having it towed home when it broke down. Luckily we were able to call the toll road office and get them to remove the toll feels.
A lady in Reading, Berkshire, England got a ticket for driving her car in a pedestrian area. She was walking in the photo, the camera thought the logo on her shirt was a number plate! 😂
Being a sworn officer doesn't always make thing better. I got a photo radar ticket from a manned photo van in Denver. The problem is 1-where the van was parked was about 800 feet past a sign marking the end of a school zone on the opposite side of the street, 2- the direction I was traveling the sign was about 800 past that other sign and the sign was FLAT ON THE GROUND unable to be seen from the road with the photo van parked within 10 feet of it. I assumed I was out of the school zone after seeing the sign across the street. But there he was creating photo tickets. I called and had a ridiculous conversation with a traffic sergeant. He insisted I should drive 20mph until I see the end of school zone sign. Period. I asked if that meant I should drive another 10 miles at 20mph since I didn't see one? They finally threw it away when I called a local TV station with pictures of the downed sign and the van parked again at the same location. It's all about money and not working for it. One more thing. I noticed a strange relation to the similar amount of amount of photo fines collected and police abuse settlements being paid out every year in Denver.
A similar thing happened here in the UK a few years ago. A person was towing two vintage motorcycles to a show for friends of his. He was doing 80 MPH on a motorway ( freeway ) where the limit is 50 MPH while towing a trailer. The two friends owners of the bikes both got speeding tickets. Funny thing is, neither of the vintage bikes were capable of doing more than 50 MPH. Both fines were dismissed.
Simple fix for this problem, have a responsible person (ie LEO or someone picked by the state) have to sign these things, and be able to go to court to say yes I looked at this ticket and verified it. Wont happen as that would cost money to pay for this persons time.
My jeep got a speed camera ticket in Heath Ohio while I was at work. I called the police and told them I had an alibi as i was at work. They wanted to know who was driving and I said I haven’t a clue because I wasn’t in the thing. This goes back and forth until they said they could suspend my registration if I didn’t pay it. My daughter was the miscreant driving and stepped up to pay it.
In my province in Canada, camera tickets are not attributed to the driver, and do not go on anybodies driving record. It is just fine the owner of the vehicle has to pay
I remember one of these camera system installations that was faulty and falsely ticketed hundreds of drivers. The local entity and the 3rd party installers admitted the mistake but claimed they were helpless to correct the problem for another six months. The citations were automatically forwarded to the state who demanded payment anyway. If you did not pay the state would not renew your license. I chimed in and suggested that the populace should ban this small town and go shopping elsewhere.
I remember in 2006 when these cameras went live at a busy intersection in the town where I lived. I went to the council meeting where people were outraged about it and found that in the first 3 months of the cameras being on the city at this one intersection made $450,000 dollars. It's a perfect revenue stream to fund the city. People were outraged and challenged the legality of it. The city voted to turn them off temporarily to understand it all. Took 2 years to settle it all out but the cameras came back on and they added 6 more at all of the busiest intersections in town.
First question to ask the DA on the stand: How is it possible for an immobilized car with no driver on the back of a flatbed wrecker with steal chains and hooks to insure it can NOT move be speeding? Your honor I now need to site the DA with falsifying evidence, charges and legal documents for his malicious prosecution
Your statements don't make sense. The DA doesn't prosecute tickets, and attorneys for the parties don't take the stand. You are just raising defense arguments.
A former coworker of mine had a similar issue with a toll booth camera. He got a ticket by mail with a photo of a white AC service truck with a license plate that was the same as his except there was a D instead of an O in one position. He drove a red Infinity G35. He was able to clear it up by phone, but it still took far more effort than it should have.
Aren't all tickets supposedly checked by actual people first? If there was, the person signing the ticket committed a fraud and needs to be prosecuted.
Can you imagine what it would be like to look at basically the same imagine hundreds of times a day. It is unreasonable to expect people not to switch off. There should be a toll free number that you can call to deal with the obvious mistakes.
I'm live in the Los Angeles area, and we do have some automated camera/ticketing intersections. A few years ago I received in the mail a ticket for running a red light. Thing is, it wasn't me driving the car (it was my son). The ticket included a link to a low rez video of the car going thru late, as well as a couple stills ... the lic. plate a photo of the driver. So I contested (on line) and included their own picture of the driver and a copy of my drivers license. Not to hard to tell the difference between 64 year old, balding & bearded me an my 22 year old bushy long haired, clean shaven son. In my objection letter all I said was I obviously wasn't the driver, look at the pictures ... I didn't say anything else. Couple months later I got a letter saying the ticket had been dismissed. One of the great achievements in life! 😂 😂
Man this is so stupid. If something like this were to happen to me and the police gave me the runaround and not immediately dismiss it, I would launch a PR campaign against the city what would embarrass them beyond belief. There would be no holding me back.
That happened to my town. They put up two speed cameras near the school and one on a divided 4 lane highway. A man from another part of the state who liked to take the back roads missed his turn and went past the school and got tagged. He turned around and went back by the school and got tagged a 2nd time within a few minutes. He ended up calling the local news and they gave our town and mayor a black eye for 1mph over the limit tickets. The claim is for safety, and I can probably go along with it by the school, but out on the highway that completely bypasses the town, it’s purely revenue generation.
I once got a ticket for parking 14 feet from a fire hydrant, I kid you not. It was obviously a ticket racket because the curb wasn't painted red. It was only after I complained that they finally painted it but refused to dismiss my ticket.
@@trac-kenthe paint shows the forbidden area, without the paint it is like a speeding ticket without a posted sign. You cannot comply without notification.
@@geoffreyganoe5246 Your are notified in the states driver manual. Our town has tickets for “ left side to curb” without posted signs. Again, it’s in the manual. How do you know not to park on a sidewalk?
8:00 That Tow Driver was one of the few Truly Honest ones out there... For anyone else scrapping or Selling your vehicle, Take ALL Transponders off the windows/dash and TAKE YOUR LICENSE PLATES OFF THE VEHICLE!!! Either keep your Plates for your next Vehicle or turn them into the DMV and make sure they take them OFF your Records so if they're reissued, you can't be inadvertently screwed by anything the next person to get your old Plates does...
There are at least 2 problems in this case: 1) The moment when the vote to have the camera removed concluded it made it illegal for the camera to operate & generate tickets in the name of the police department. 2) The police department issued the ticket...by proxy...and is responsible for any falsely generated tickets...the justice system is the only legal party to appeal to...not the company.
given that if a van setting on flatbed is ticketed for speeding then all cars just setting in a parking lot are traveling at over 1,000 MPH as the Earth rotates
Automation can be wonderful indeed. But it is terrible at edge cases. Any automated system needs to have a great way of handling edge cases. This is becoming more and more of a problem. Whenever I use an automated phone system, none of the options presented apply to me. I wouldn't be calling if my problem was that simple. By all means we should automate a lot but unless there is a great system to handle the edge cases it will be more negative than positive.
@@soundspark The problem in Nevada was the cameras were going off a half-second before the violation. It seems like a miniscule amount but that is the difference between a citation and no citation.
I've had 2 issues that would boil my blood! Issue #1: I was charged past unpaid toll fees and fines when I was driving a RENTAL car! #2: was when we traded our car in as well as another car to help my daughter get her first car. Later, we were served by the state (Illinois) for unpaid storage fees in the southern most county (we were in Will county, next to Cook County) on our SOLD to the dealer car! Thankfully, the current (at the time) States Attorney was familiar with us (in a good way), and as we called her, she was calling us regarding this suit. We explained our situation to her. Apparently, the dealership failed to change the title properly. They denied it, but our name came up, not theirs. It had been months since the sale. In the end of both, we were able to resolve both situations. Never use your toll pass on a rental! Keep proof of use of tolls and the dates AND time of the rentals. The previous user probably went unpaid just that morning an hour before you get that car! Yes, rental companies should make the users pay. But that takes weeks for the bill to hit, and by then, yours already took a hit!
