So I decided it was time to put aside my childish optimism and do an honest review of Wonder Woman. Is it really as good as everyone claims, or have we been lying to ourselves? Let's find out.
I like to imagine that Drinker gets so hammered that he doesn't remember anything when he gets sober, and doesn't even know he has a RU-vid channel. He just constantly wonders why he gets a tidy little check in the mail every month. Maybe he watches this channel, too. Who knows.
Yeah, I just recently saw it on the big screen as a re-release in a foreign country. I was expecting some post-feminist feminist claptrap like . . . "Captain America"???
Yea and tho she fights ares and there are tones of feminism, it isn't shoved down our fucking throats and it's not that every single man is some idiotic bad guy who has a superiority complex. Like christ.
Fun fact about this film is that Steve is the real hero: no super power, very fragile against a numerous enemies, selfless, focused on the mission which will save millions, knows his limitations and was willing to sacriface himself knowing the cost of it.
It's a decent yarn but the praise it gets is ridiculous. The whole movie was very average in every aspect and WW was so naive and dumb the whole way through. Justice league was pretty similar in it being an average movie.
To truly enjoy a hero they must be challenged throughout the story only to think they cannot defeat the foe and they dig deep and battle valiantly in order to defeat the antagonist. Modern Hero movies don't understand that concept
Two thoughts always bothered me throughout the movie: 1) Diana's shield is way too small to be effective against massed gunfire and 2) Why the hell would Ares want to kill all humans? He is the God of War after all. No more people = no more war. He motivation is inconsistent, at best.
I bet originally David Thewlis' character was supposed to be Friedrich Alfred "Fritz" Krupp, sole proprietor of the Krupp Steelworks, the heart of the German military-industrial complex. Look at Fritz' picture from Wikipedia, and tell me that wasn't who Thewlis is supposed to look like. But, you couldn't have a homosexual as a villain in a modern Hollywood movie, that would go against The Message(TM).
@@potatowaffle5653 I think you are the one who needs help with basic understanding. In the movie Ares goal is not a war, but to wipe out humanity, which makes no sense. If Ares is the God of War and he succeeds, then there would be no more wars because nobody would be around to fight in them. No more war = no more power for Ares.
Ares arranging the armistice actually makes a strange sort of sense, since the Treaty of Versailles was so punitive and generated so much ill will in Germany that it may have helped cause the outbreak of World War II, which was a more catastrophic and widespread conflict. But I don't know if I can give the film that kind of credit.
considering the fighting stopped after ares died, I dont think world war 2 happened. Also ares isn't smart enough to think anything like that. He isn't athena
I have one tiny question as a ww1 nerd: who tf is that German General guy?! I think he’s meant to be General Erich Ludendorff, but this actor looks nothing like him! I know because this guy can fight Diana head-on, while the real guy was an old-ass man that couldn’t bend over, much less fight an Amazon!
i think thats the plan, like take alook at what happened after ww1, it was the root of ww2, which had roots to many conflicts happening today,like never ending proxy wars in the middle east, and the god of war planned for this type of destruction and suffering but instead he died, but his influence continued on becoming a slightly more peaceful version when wonder woman killed him, idk really just stuff i thought about, this never probably got into the writer's head anyways
The 1970s Wonder Woman TV show was arguably the first time the super hero genre had been fully realized. It was faithful to the source material in both casting and costume. It also had high production values, a dutiful stuntwoman, and it wasn't played for laughs. The show wasn't perfect, but it's deserving of more respect than you're giving it. Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman and Christopher Reeve's Superman are the foundation on which today's super hero television and movies are built on.
So what? It's capeshit. Who cares if it was the first time it was "realized"? It's childish, shallow nonsense for manchildren then and it still is now.
@@hammondOT who cares it worked for the time period it was made. people 40 years from now will probably think the mcu is childish garbage because it will be outdated so what’s ur point?
I always wondered (see what I did there) about the size of the gap between her legs when she was wearing the Wonder Woman costume. As a kid, I didn't notice but as an adult...whoa.
@@apersonofinterest i had to google this "gap" you were talking about. saw it. yeah. whaoh. I cant unsee it. that's all i see when open google images. that, and how far in her waist goes. Truly, she had a perfect comic book body....it's seems completely like it shouldnt exist....but....there she is. a real person with a comic book body. (Even Arnold's Conan wasnt as massive as the comic book Conan)
Not a current year thing. There have been shit tons of failed projects due to RUSHING things in cinema for decades. The only impression you get on 'today' in regards to writing hard, rush it to half-ass to get out, It's just there a lot of bad examples on people's minds this year: like Game of Thrones.
@@adrianbundy3249 True. Let's face it there has always been bad writing but those movies never had high production value either. It's like we're getting an inverse relation ship these days. The past: Bad writing, low production. Present: high production, bad writing. It's weird.
I think most of these questions are answered in the context of the film and the motives of the characters.. I also think you can apply these questions to any film that’s based on a story with a dense history. Ares was around to push certain people who already had bad intents. Just a small nudge to get them going. He was lying to Diana about a better world, obviously. Still better than 90% of MCU films.
@@samuraigundam0079 The person who says WW is better than 90% of MCU films is probably a fanboy, who wants to pretend "marvel is for kids you see!" without an objective view of reality. The deeper meaning, adult themes where they have happened in the MCU, have been more profound on average than anything in the DCEU to date; they are for everyone, and yes - as an adult, I like jokes, even when I am in a shit day, I can want cheering up, dark humor or gallows humor is lost on some of the deluded fanbois out there. The decidedly average WW was probably the fourth best of it's franchise, after Man of Steel(great), Aquaman(good to great) and Shazaam(good). But at least it is watchable unlike the other 50% of that garbage. It had some legit great moments. Why do I consider it average? Too cliche, overhyped visuals (the trench scene is hardly worth the praise heaped on it, and leaves too many silly issues). But you are right on one thing: I do find this video laying a lot of different types of criticisms that are rampant in a vast number of other hollywood projects these days. And no - Ares is still a shit villain, even if you make sense of his 'motive, he was just nudging evil people along'.
The Doom From Latveria I didn’t say those MCU films weren’t enjoyable, just not very good movies. You’re right, I don’t like Jokey dialogue in place of character development. It’s a cheap disingenuous method that cheats the audience from really knowing the characters as individuals, and robs the story of any true narrative tension. Everything these characters think, feel and want - when not overtly obvious - is told to you directly by the character, whereas DC movies usually have their characters express these things through more indirect dialogue and their actions. People still bitch about the “Martha” scene in BVS to this day. I wouldn’t put Ares as a great villain, but compared to villains like Ultron, Crossbones, Red Skull, etc.(as they’re depicted n the MCU), at least he had a subtle, more thoughtful approach in his role, unlike a good amount of MCU villains, who can’t help but be so one note exaggerated in their behavior, and who’s goal is almost always taking over the world. I’ll give Disney some credit for making Thanos a more complex villain, though he still stands in a long line of MCU villains who aren’t directly killed in a real way by a hero. No, disintegration doesn’t count. Kudos to Black Panther for getting his hands dirty. Although, if we’re talking about overhyped...
In the comics, at least in the 1940s, Wonder Woman’s island was technologically advanced. They had a ray gun that healed all of Steve’s injuries and the Amazons were aware of the outside world. She even did a competition to send Steve back to his world. It was only in the 1980s and onward that they decided to go a more primitive route.
I think the aging works something like this. They age somewhat normally until they reach their physical prime and that's when their aging slows down. It doesn't stop, but like...they age SUPER slowly...I think that's how it works...idk
The thing with Ares brokering a peace treaty actually makes sense. The Treaty of Versailles was so harsh on Germany that it helped to cause WW2. Also, during several wars throughout history the fighting has gotten so bad or gone on for so long that both sides have temporarily stopped fighting and helped each other, so everyone "hugging it out" at the end is actually believable.
More films need to be set during World War I. It's such an interesting period of history when warfare was changing rapidly and all countries involved were racing to keep up. WW2 is popular because it's got such a clear villain, but I think WW1 is much more interesting overall.
@@aahnecroth that's already assumed, i'm so tired of correcting people who type like this just because they're ghetto, or those who can't spell because they just type in emojis altogether
The deceitfulness of human nature was an awesome message, and they totally undercut it with the Ares reveal at the end. Such a great setup and no payoff.
I don’t think it’s fair to criticise the Amazonian’s lack of technological advancement. Sub Saharan-Africa, the Americas and Australia are great examples of how technological stagnation can occur when you have little to no contact with the rest of the world and are left without any form of conflict like occurred in North Africa, the Middle East, east-Asia, and Europe.
No it's not WAR that spurred progress. It's speeding up your GDP growth by a factor of 20 or more from subjugating entire continents' worth of oppressed colonies. War was in no shortage even BEFORE 1500s, that didn't spur progress. The fall of Rome to war didn't spur progress, it stifled it into a Dark Age in Western Europe (I know the Dark Ages aren't as Dark as some people might have thought, but still it was a post-collapse.) Only in the age of overseas colonies do you suddenly see an unprecedented "progress" because all the dirty serfdoms and brutality were relegated to overseas colonies and the people back in the colonial hub in Europe got cheaper goods that saved them time and money that they can use to educate themselves. You need peasants and serfs for the lord to maintain his lifestyle, right? Now for this society, give the underlings access to cheaper goods by factories. Oh wait, technology wasn't advanced enough to make factories yet? Then make do with people treated like machinery (not directly owned by them, just like the average citizen still doesn't own factories today). Note how American civilizations were not able to progress far without something to create lots of labor for them. Livestock of burden. The profits gained from that would allow them to further expand the social pyramid until they get enough profits to research machinery to replace slaves and with their use of outmatched by machine efficiency for the first time, repurpose them into taxpaying citizens and soldiers you can trust not to revolt once they are given guns to protect their own wealth. Consider the Indians love Germany for allowing them to break free from the English chains after 300 years, and 5000 of them even went to Europe to fight under Hitler as the Free Indian Legion to speed up the emancipation of their 1 billion people. Why should they care some Aryans supermen are going to show the inferior white Europeans what those Europeans have said about White burden uplifting the colored peoples? When right during WW2 England killed 7 million Indians and when their colonies weren't enough, invaded Persia (Iran) in 1942 to expand their colonial oppression? (Btw Neonazis are not Nazis, but more akin to the European enemies the Nazis were fighting, the Neonazis' colonialist forefathers concerned with keeping colored people under the imperial boots. Just misappropriating Nazi imagery because it has become the boogeyman in Western culture, not because Nazis were actually interested in conquering other continents like Britain and France were so eager to... and still were eager after WW2 as English killed 1 million in their Concentration Camps in the 1950-58 Kenyan War for Independence and France killed 2million for Algerian War for Independence. Hmmm that reminds me the real butcher of Vietnam was the Japanese killing the same amount of 2 million between 1940 and 1945, only stopped because of the American nukes 1 billion Asians were cheering for.) Why should the Ukrainians care about what grievances other countries have about Hitler? Their primary concern was Stalin killing 7 million of them, so 50,000 men signed up to be part of Germany's "East Legions," along with Siberian peoples of the same sentiment running from the Soviet Union to take part in putting Stalin down and freeing their people. (The Indian nation was broken down into several as the English left and tried to disseminate unrest and chaos though.)
@@ultimobw My taste? First of all you wouldn't know shit about my taste so show some common courtesy when talking to someone you don't know. Secondly, if you like The Snyder Cut more power to you but don't tell me it got DC's act back in track the movie was just as awful if not more awful than the Josh Whedon cut, if anything Josh Whedon's cut is the better cut. Synder's cut only added bloat and nonsensical world building, but I'm guessing someone like you watched the film for the pretty colours and cool fight scenes which fair enough those were good but at this point this is no achievement, it's an expectation. Anyway to cut this short what I like is my business and would never discuss it with someone as disrespectful as you, and the Snyder Cut is awful, every version of the Justice League live action film is awful. Have a good day.
@@vigil2150 what about cyborgs backstory and The world building, like how the mother boxes actually work, Stephenwolfs kinda backstory and The history between them all? Does are all essential Story telling that is essential to writing a story that Whedon cut failed to do. If you don’t like it, go ahead but It lacked so much Snydercut makes out. I think the worst part about snydercut is it’s time and the slow motion which could have been cut and the out of place song that was played when Flash saved Iris. If you don’t like it fine. It’s just strange when it’s a average movie, and I think it shines out more when you compare it to the whedon cut
My take on the end is that Diana finally became mature and fully aware of what she is capable of with her powers. She had that capability since birth; her mother kept it muted.
The real question is how the hell did she manage to put that sword in there. I mean, taking into account its length, you know dam well the tip of it was not going to end up in her waist line.
+ Six Turning Four Burning THANK YOU! This has bugged me forever, yet this is the first time in all my reading into Wonder Woman critiques that I have ever seen anyone mention it. To me, this is one of the biggest dropped balls in the film. Always made me crazy. Glad to finally see I wasn't the only one who ever apparently noticed it.
Why would the god of war want peace? It's one of the rules of acquisition. "Every now and then, declare peace; it'll confuse the hell out of your enemies."
In mythology Ares is the god of war: destructive, brutish war. War for the sake of war. While Athena was the goddess of war, thinking war, strategy. Augustin once said the goal of war should be peace. The ancients understood things better than we do today more often than not.
@@DarthPlato ironically Ares fought for Troy, which is mythologized to be the ancestors of the Romans, making Ares the true god of long run strategy and wars of attrition
And the Atlantis story just has Sparta (Aresland) pretending to be Athens, making Ares an actual agent of defiance and war to preserve peace against an overwhelming aggressor .
yup. confusion and corruption of the will is the m.o. of the advocates of hell. like the binary-mindset wich pushes people to think of 2 opposite solutions instead of pondering more paths. and its way easier to control people when both "solutions" are manufactured by those who created the problem.
I think their point could have been a bit more poignant if they defeated Ares midway through the movie only for the fighting to continue, showing the main villain to be the dark side of human nature and war, rather than some guy manipulating everyone. Might be a bit on-the-nose, but what if they'd framed it around the Christmas Truce, where defeating Ares earned them a single day of peace before humanity went right back to fighting. It would motivate a wiser Wonder Woman to not just fight gods to protect humanity, but that fighting evil men would protect humanity from itself.
I discovered him after seeing his review on the last several episodes of the raging shits that was GoT. And yeah, he is easily the most hilarious dude on RU-vid. And he has a brilliant understanding of story. His analysis helps me with my own writing.
for the age btw, Maybe a bit like saiyans, they grow fast from kid to adult. Then when they reach that age they slow down and stay that age longer for battle, but they do still get older. That is all i can think of for that
I mean if we're questioning that we should question the aging of every God in every existing mythology. He's really reaching with this point while missing like every real problem this movie has.
When I was 7, I saw Gallipoli with Mel Gibson at school and took Anzac Day very seriously ever since. "This is No Man's Land. It means no man can cross it, alright?" That scene brought tears to my eyes and it still does. It just made the entire film for me.
For me, the weirdest thing about Themyscira is that there are actually canon answers to all questions raised about their seemingly fragile defenses in the movie. It seems that having an island of primordial warriors seems more digestible for audiences than an island of primordial warriors with a few instances of hyper-advanced tech and guarded by an underwater army of super-megalodons.
@@HateshWarkio Doesnt hasten the fact that she is a warrior. Her island literally killed a boat load of guys. She doesn't have this no kill rule like Superman or Batman. And that actually adds to the complexity of what it is to " fight for humanity ". How would she know that these guys were under eighteen and were forced in their military. It was not until after the fight that steve and his crew revealed that they were just ordinary men fighting a war cause they had to. She is naive throughout the entire film doing crap on the fly just to get to " ares ".
@@liemduong6729 considering these are her first real fights and battles, she doesn't stop and think for a second, she just slaughters them. Because as we all know when you get into your first real battle you are already a killing machine. And even afterwards she continues to do so. At most you can say that her naive side is actually right because in the end she ends up fighting Ares to stop the war. Also it's kinda weird that the only human she actually spares is the woman who made those poisonous gases. That gal probably continued doing exactly that during WW2. The point of this isn't to say that she shouldn't kill. The point is that she should react to killing. btw The no-kill rule? Neither Batman or Superman have that rule in this franchise.
@@HateshWarkio Which is also a big problem. With Superman it actually was there sort of, just not exposed enough. Still has more exposure to it than a 40 year old Batman jesus. But yea even so after that moment that she realizes the core problem, I would expect her to not bash people with her shield.
@Shazbot81 yeah like a lasso that makes people tell the truth plus bracers of repelling. Maybe an indestructible shield that can block a tank shell head on? Oh wait. What did you expect Zeus to give to Wonder Woman when he created her out of clay around 50 b.c.? A space age jet with a hyperdrive that comes with optional infinite power and plot armor if it ever explodes? This isn't Captain Marvel.
As far as I remember no one else on the island is shown to have super powers but ww is totally unaware that she’s the weapon and if they did have powers why did women die on the beach, Wonder Woman is fast enough to stop bullets like 20 mins later. Looks like they tried avoiding this hole by not showing her growing up...and wouldn’t she automatically be better then everyone with little training as she’s likely to rely on super strength, speed and that wave thing (how does she not know what a watch is it looks exactly like a small sundial) a mile long trench of soldiers all fire at one woman, ignoring the others
I think what resonated with audience members is that Gadot played it straight and sincere. Marvel pulls its punches. If things ever get sincere, someone cracks wise. YES, this film is flawed. BUT, it honestly optimistic
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention how can a little shield protect Wonder Woman from machine gun fire, are her legs somehow invulnerable while her upper body is not, what is going on there
I honestly think the movie would have been better if Steve had been Ares in disguise: It would have explained how he got through the Amazon’s shields, divine power, it would have set up a nice little conflict at the end when Ares reveals himself and it would explain the oddly sinister vibe the character has.
I like that idea. It would have been a really good reason why she turned her back on humanity for a long time. The one person she trusted and grew to love ended up being her enemy, that they manipulated her, used her and she had to kill him to save humanity. How can she trust anyone now without the fear of them being her enemy, the possibility of breaking her heart again?
this would have been excellent, especially if Ares was training WW to be more war like, like the humans, and to be willing to participate in human wars. Steve could be the one to convince her of her need to get involved. All the while Steve being Ares, to train her outside of her original training because it is her destiny to stand next to him. That would have made for excellent character development.
I don't know, I wouldn't say it was great but I for sure loved the first two acts, but the final act was a major let down, they also made a mistake by killing of Chris Pines character their chemistry is a big part of what made the movie good.
Not really. Try to look at her without makeup. Or even worse, without clothing. She is too skinny. That canadian actress who played the shield agent alongside with samuel jackson... Blue eyes, brunette, etc? Now THAT is a beautiful woman who would fit WW much better.
@@RRRRRRRRR33 Cobie Smulders is the actress. I think she was cast as Wonder Woman for the cancelled Justice League movie in the late 2000's. If it wasn't for her Marvel contract, I think she would;ve been the best choice for Wonder Woman. But still, Gal Gadot was a good choice imo
@@andrewmeyer4124 Cobie... What a wierd name. Yep, that's her, she is gorgeous and a decent actress. Gadot imo is not pretty at all and, of course, she can't act. She was barely acceptable for me because she had some screen presence and charisma. But that considering her solo movie, in the Justice League movie she did a awful job. That scene when she confronts superman after his ressurection? I've seem better acting in porn movies man, not even joking.
@@RRRRRRRRR33 To be fair, most actors phoned it in for Justice League. Gadot's performances rely on how good her director is. But that's my lousy opinion
Her varying power levels are due to the fact this is the first real test she gets, she also previously didn't know she had any special strengths or feats, idk how you missed that from watching this movie, it was quite clear she was coming into her power in this movie
Gotta be honest the "power of love" thing at the end pissed me off more than you. Tens of thousands of soldiers fighting a war for 4 gruelling years and apparently all they really needed was to hug it out. It's senseless and a bit insulting. I would have preferred that the backstory provided at the beginning was actually Zeus lying his ass off; then Aries tells WW that humans fight each other because their creators fight each other, so hard in fact that they destroyed each other. Zeus blamed Aries because, well who else do you blame for internal conflict ending your pantheon, the god of basket weaving? It turns out Aries didn't manipulate people into fighting another, he's just the supervisor making the whole thing more efficient and regulated; Giving continuous conflict a definitive end, defining war crimes and terms of engagement and designing tactical measures to reduce overall casualty, you know things that make war _war_ and not senseless violence? Edit: revised comprehension
I thought a good line for Aries would've been: "My power comes from *them*, not the other way around. I'm their democratically elected representative, after all."
Yes--World War One is the most complex war in the history of mankind, completely unlike anything that came before. Not even WW2 compares. It's not surprising that moviemakers would not understand this.
Yeah, no way if all the soldiers hugged each other how that would stop them from fighting. So womanly. The manly thing to do is to find a bunch of sparkly stones, stick them on a glove, then snap your fingers. Now that's how you win! C'mon man, it's all b.s. crap if you're gonna compare it to real world motivations too much. Relax, it may not have been your thing, but that movie was fun too.
I remember as I watched this movie wanting to like it more. The writing isn't too cheesy with one liners, the pacing is pretty good, and Gal Gadot might be the most beautiful woman on Earth. But every so often, consistently, something would pop up with the plot line, or the setup, or the meta that would distract me from immersing myself in the film. And that's before the debacle of an ending where I started shaking my head as soon as Ares took form. This film is a good study in how many different ways you can contradict your world and storyline within a couple minutes. Breathtakingly eye rolling at the end...
the reason I've seen this movie 5 times already As for what is the movie about ? ...so I watch these "explanations" videos of 15 to 30 minutes and still have not clue , just: Ass , legs, tits and something that starts with "V ?
Actually I liked the fact that the sniper with ptsd didn't get better. ptsd is a serious problem. It makes the movie more humane especially by the other characters saying it is ok, we understand. I didn't think he was wasted. The only big issue I have is with Ares. He shouldn't have been shown in this movie, keeping the question open whether it is human nature to fight or Ares pulling strings. A better fit for this movie/idea behind Wonder Woman would be the godess Eris.
I hear what you're saying, but Ares was the god of destructive war, senseless war. And WWI, more than any other war, comes closest to that Ares-style of war. And, no--not all war is like that. WWI is truly unique in human history.
I agree, the sniper with ptsd getting better at a key moment would have been the formula movie approach; but, hey, maybe some guys just don't get better.
Actually, having Ares broker the armistice was brilliant on the writer's parts: the armistice, in real life, ultimately gave way to the alies being selfish pricks and fucking up Germany for a laugh, thus leading to Hitler's rise in power, and WWII. And the long-range bomber was also implemented in WWI as well, although it's max range was Germany to England and back again. Other than that, you're pretty spot on.
@Абдульзефир But the Germans didn't start WWI. And for most of the war, they were fighting defensively. They weren't really out to conquer, just to hold on to what they had gotten in the first few months of the war. Even then, they seemed willing to compromise if given a fair deal, they just got made out to be absolute monsters by the English press, so that British people wouldn't feel like they were fighting a pointless war for no reason.
Ares brokering the peace treaty was a genius idea actually. He fostered an alliance so he could whisper in each leaders mind that betrayal was incoming. The worst emotion is when a friend betrays you. So how I perceived the idea is that Ares created a massive anger pressure cooker to take place. 🤔🤔
Except that the Germans had no choice but to surrender. The homeland was literally starving, they were running out of munitions, soldiers were mutinying, the Kaiser had collected his P45 and run to Holland and Ludendorff had been sacked as a consequence of losing his marbles. There were no negotiations, no bargaining, no meeting of minds. The Armistice was presented in a railway carriage and the Germans were told where to sign it. The war was then put on a timer, set to 11/11/18 at 1100 hours because Wilson, Lloyd George and Clemenceau had OCD or something.
My biggest problem with this movie was that when it goes into a flashback with Ares and Zeus, Ares is still some British dude with his flat hair and a mustache. Like, accent and all, full on British dude thousands of years ago 0-0.
I mean if you were going to make a God of War character in a movie, doesn't it make sense to make him British? **puts the guy tapping on his head meme**
Nope, he was originally supposed to be Friedrich Alfred "Fritz" Krupp, sole proprietor of Krupp Steelworks, "The Reich's Armorer", and grand-daddy of the whole Military-Industrial Complex. (Seriously, look him up on Wikipedia. The picture fits Thewlis to a "T"). But, he was also homosexual, so according to The Message(TM) can't be the villain of a modern Hollywood movie.
The movie basically has a stock sci-fi plot: a hero thrown into a strange unfamiliar world and causing trouble due to not understanding the culture and having conflicting values, but makes allies by inspiring residents to resist the forces of injustice in their system, and it all ends in some bittersweet way. Most Star Trek episodes used this plot template.
Gadot has basically the same face expression almost all the time with her mouth hangng open in Bella's style, she has no WW vibes, she doesn't look like an athlete who trained for so many years. Her battle face looks like she is trying to remember if she turned off the stove at home... She is beautiful but is it honestly enough to represent this hero?
The No Man's Land scene was really cool and all, but I am STILL unclear if she can be hurt by bullets. It makes no sense that firearms would pose even a mild threat to her given how strong she is, but she still goes out of her way to block or deflect them? it makes sense when she's protecting others, but she acts like she herself is vulnerable to them. Also, there's no reason she couldn't just jump over to the other trench in the first place. I liked it though, it was a fun movie and Gal Gadot is an absolute delight
i hate this image, having an invincible being in the middle of one of the most gruesome war ever fought, only surpassed by the Eastern Front of WWII, feels wrong and disrespectful
@@weedmastersr a hermaphrodite. Gal is a man. Large skull, prominent brow ridge, strong jaw, shoulders broader than hips, up and down body like a man, long femurs, tall, etc. Google it without makeup. All the signs are there you just gotta see it.
I can’t remember which season it was. But there was a bit of dialogue on Xena Warrior Princess (they had to re-power Aphrodite) were Ares and Aphrodite were hugely important to the balance of the world. That bit of dialog always stayed with me.
The armistice actually made sense. The Germans where in trouble as they where having supply issues. Armistice would give them time to get themselves back on tack. Ares didn't think the Armistice would last and would actually make the wars last longer. In a way Ares was right, German went again a few years later in WWII
@JL-CptAtom Are you seriously saying German was the good guys in ww2? the main reason for ww2 was worldwide recession of 20s letting right wing get into power in Germany and a lot of europe as people where angry. Something the right always feeds on.
My favourite part was forgotten. The blue dress was stolen from an innocent, unarmed woman waiting to get into the party. Wonder Woman is never shown how she gets it because it would undermine the Hero premiss.
Aquaman really forkin' forked though. Shazam! was better than expected, but the end part seemed to go on forever (like Man of Steel's SM vs Zod combat). WW is actually one of my favorite superhero films of the past 15. That isn't really saying a lot given what I think of the genre. All of these films have the same problem with wrapping up the story. WW reminded me a lot of the first Captain America film, but much better done.
Worst things about the movie were that by the middle of 1918, Ludendorff had been sacked and was under the care of men in white coats, having screwed up the war effort, then seeing his dead stepson's decomposing corpse. He survived the war, and joined the abortive Jan 6th, sorry the 1923 'Beer Hall putsch' alongside a former Austrian corporal (whatever happened to him?). Unlike the Angry Moustache Corporal he was spared jail and vanished into obscurity. As for the Scottish PTSD guy, my grandfather suffered 'shell shock' aka PTSD. He was invalided out and never returned to the war. His condition improved until WW2, when he joined the Home Guard, my late aunt told me his time on the rifle range triggered the PTSD again. So I cannot believe a man with shell shock, displaying the symptoms again, would be allowed back. He could potentially run amok, killing his own comrades and officers, or just collapse in his trench, a burden to his comrades who would have to care for him
Bows aren't terribly accurate due to the Archer's Paradox. Modern bows get around the paradox by having a cutout that the arrow rests in, but even they still suffer accuracy-wise. And all weapons suffer shot-deviation at long ranges, it's not that implausible.
@@jamestanzer9188 I feel like the impact of the archer's paradox is grossly overstated in general, but especially on people who've been training for literally centuries.
@@InfernosReaper True, but it's still noticeable at long ranges. Also remember the context of the original statement. The Amazons, who have been practicing with their bows for a long time, missed stationary boats from the of a cliff. Then they traded evenly with conscripts, i.e. bottom-of-the-barrel troops quality wise, in a shootout that they should have won easily, especially since we saw them practicing fire-and-manuever techniques that would have been invaluable in that exact situation. God only knows what would have happened if they had run into regulars, much less sturmtruppen.
@@jamestanzer9188 sturmtruppen? I don't think those guys existed yet in the timeline. This is set in WWI for *some* reason, even though it looks and plays out more like WWII, except for the bolt action rifles,. Hell, even those were starting to be phased out during that war anyway as multiple semi-auto rifles had come into existence earlier in the century and even saw use in WWI.
@@InfernosReaper Sturmtruppen were first used in WW1 in October 1915, where they captured French positions in the Vosges Mountains, and were subsequently used throughout the remainder of the war as shock troops and the lead elements in offensives. Edit: minor typo fix
I think the ending was changed at the last minute, because they got cold feet. The entire movie is pointing to Ares being dead for a long time, and the war is just humans being humans. That would have crowned Diana's arc perfectly, something like in the Fifth Element. And then they should have saved the peace treaty somehow to have the mandatory happy ending. But I would have had a dark ending instead if it was up to me. Steve dying, and the war reignites. Diana crushed both ways. And then the second movie would have been about coming back from absolute rock bottom.
Is it me or are protectors of peace, who's first reactions to incoming ships is just start shooting arrows at them, before they know anything, kinda really bad at their job?
Really messes with the continuity when it shows how obscene the firepower disparity became between the Amazons and the Atlanteans with the Aquaman movie. The Amazons are barely drawing even against mooks wielding WW1 weaponry, and there are multiple Kingdoms under the sea with so much fighting power and/or tech that each one of them would wipe WW2 nations from the face of the planet solo.
@@spacepope87 Seems counter-productive to the gender equality argument, but that is the only real conclusion one can have.... Well, either that or the generations of cultural stagnation from isolationism basically made them like Japan vs Matthew Perry.
@@InfernosReaper If the underwater kingdoms have massively larger populations and technological bases and have been at war with each other for hundreds of years, you would expect their military technology to be very advanced. If the Amazonians never fight anyone armed with more than a bronze spear, they never need to innovate. Also, if they are only living on one island, they are unlikely even to have the mineral resources required to develop iron or steel...
I think a lot of these criticisms can be traced to the source material itself. The concept of a group of immortal Amazon warriors living on an island for centuries cut off from the outside world never made a whole lot of sense, but it's been part of Wonder Woman's canon since the beginning and it's integral to who she is as a character. At least they provided a reason, however flimsy, why Paradise Island had never been discovered. The source material never even did that. Clearly, the magical cloaking field around the island simply hides it from sight but doesn't prevent things from passing through. I was never clear on why the movie was set during WWI when the original comic was set during WWII. Perhaps they felt that would make it be less like Captain America? In any case, I was actually glad about that, since there aren't that many movies set during WWI. As for why the Amazons appear to be different ages, I suggest it's because, as magical beings, their apparent age reflects their status. Queen Hippolyta appears older than the others because she's the queen and has to project an image of authority and wisdom, even though, since they were created by the gods, they're all actually the same age. I'm not sure why they were unable to deflect the bullets fired by the Germans. Logically, they should have been able to, since this is an ability all Amazons have. Maybe they wanted to add some tragedy and give Hippolyta a reason to refuse to let her daughter leave Paradise Island. I also don't know why the German battleship sank. It feels like there's a scene missing there. Regarding the language issue, you might as well ask why the Amazons are all able to speak and understand English, since it didn't exist when they went to Paradise Island. Again, chalk it up to them being magical creatures. I agree that Ares' motivations do seem muddled and contradictory. It feels like the script needed another pass to clean things up a bit. Still, at least the movie waited until well into the third act for things to stop making sense, instead of being illogical from the start, as we've seen happen in other movies. Over-all, I think these problems are all fairly minor, and that it's still a solid movie.
08:38 dude thats SAM MANEKSHAW in his last days holding his batton. Sam Manekshaw...how many people know this absolute work of legend??..thanks critical drinker for using his pic here ...love you mate❤🙏🙏🙏🙏
i love the brie larson cuts, hilarious, wonder woman is indeed a flawed movie but i can forgive it for Gal Gadot alone, she is so damn charming and absolutely succeeds at making wonder woman, wonderful!!!
Acknowledging the justice of many of our beloved Drinker’s observations, I liked this movie way more than I thought I would, and enjoy rewatching it from time to time.
Bro, in all seriousness. You need to be a comedy writer. This is too small of a platform for someone of your comedy caliber. Plus we need more good comedy. So hard to come by these days. In the mean time, I’ll enjoy your videos. Thanks for the laughs
We all wanted a movie about a female superhero. We got it and she was super hot. That was basically it. Kind of sad considering what the goal was. But she was hot
You made some good points that I did not consider back then. I mostly liked the film because of Gal Gadot and her charisma (and her looks) and Wonder Woman is one my favorite comic book characters. Compared to Captain Marvel it is a masterpiece. Another thing that I liked that (also compared to Captain Marvel) it was not sooo feminist (of course WW is a feminist icon so it was unavoidable to have some), but Steve was not that inept compared to other male characters in feminist films.
@@lukewalken1316there were some monoplanes, from just before and going into WWI, then they realized they needed more lift but couldn't have super-long wings. Monoplanes returned after the war, with engines powerful enough that one wing could do.